Plan C: Obama set to introduce “much smaller” health-care bill on Wednesday

posted at 4:14 pm on March 1, 2010 by Allahpundit

This Fox piece seems like … huge news, but not only is it MIA on Drudge, it’s not even the lead story on Fox. Am I the only one who didn’t know that the giant bill The One dropped on America a few days ago is apparently already dead and buried? Was there some White House announcement about this yesterday, say, oh, halfway through the third period of U.S. versus Canada?

Things sure are moving fast lately, huh?

“In a matter of days, we will have a proposal,” Pelosi said, pointing to Obama’s forthcoming bill.

“It will be a much smaller proposal than we had in the House bill because that’s where we can gain consensus. But it will be big enough to put us on a path of affordable, quality health care for all Americans that holds insurance companies accountable.”…

Melody Barnes, a top Obama domestic policy adviser, did not dispute Pelosi’s characterization of the new plan as smaller in scope — and quite possibly in cost — than either the House or Senate health care bills…

“They (the summit participants) talked about medical malpractice reform and found possible areas of common ground there and so that’s something they (White House staff) will be looking at,” Barnes said. “They (summit participants) talked about purchasing insurance across state lines doing that, though, in a way to make sure people are treated fairly. So, I think we’ll look towards those issues and we will be drawing upon that. The conversation that took place at Blair House was important to us, because we wanted to hear what the leadership in Congress had to say.”

Remember Plan B? The Journal claimed last week, right before the O-Care summit, that Obama was preparing a scaled-down package as back-up in case it looked like the votes weren’t there for his comprehensive leviathan bill. The specs: 15 million insured, one-quarter the cost of Plan A. By shrinking the bill to more modest proportions, they figured they might finally get the votes from Blue Dogs that they need. The only problem? Progressives don’t want a modest bill, they want something ambitious, so Plan B was likely to lose liberal votes even as it picked up centrist ones. “It’s probably the big bill or nothing,” said one top Democratic aide a few days ago to Politico. So here comes Plan C, which I’m guessing won’t be much smaller than the bill Obama introduced last week but will, as Barnes hints, incorporate a few GOP ideas like tort reform. The hope is that liberals will be placated by its sheer size while Blue Dogs will be tempted by the inclusion of a few token conservative proposals to make their vote more defensible to red districts. Pelosi gave you a sneak preview of the new spin yesterday: The bill doesn’t need Republican votes to be “bipartisan,” all it needs are Republican ideas. And if it has Republican ideas, why shouldn’t it be rammed through with reconciliation, right? Voila — Plan C, the first “bipartisan” bill in history aimed at a party-line vote.

Here’s Serpenthead on GMA this morning insisting that Democrats must pass something to prove they can govern, which is just the latest rationalization in the left’s long, long line of self-delusion about the electoral consequences of this nightmare. Madam Speaker seems refreshingly candid by comparison: If you’re going to commit political kamikaze, do it with your eyes open.


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How about, NO!

daesleeper on March 1, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Plan “C”: The status quo plan.

Caper29 on March 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM

One way or another, they’ll pass SOMETHING…and then insert all the garbage later.

search4truth on March 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Yippppeeeeee
Time for another speech !

macncheez on March 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Waterloo! Get yer hot, fresh Waterloo right here!

DrW on March 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Obama Plan C.

Part I.

No one who is not a member of SEIU may provide health care services.

The End

pedestrian on March 1, 2010 at 4:19 PM

These would-be tyrants have already shown their true faces. We’re supposed to start trusting them because they put into this latest version of their Take Over America bill some ideas that they claim are Republican ideas? Please. No. Just — NO.

November 2010 can’t get here fast enough.

Aitch748 on March 1, 2010 at 4:19 PM

this plan might only cost 6 or 7 hundred billion, that is there idea of small. If this is true what happened to the interlocking problems arguments, is it so small that its barely a tremor on the entitlement scale.

rob verdi on March 1, 2010 at 4:19 PM

It’s not much news because it still is having the House pass the original Senate bill, and then “trusting” the Dems to to modify it.

Enoxo on March 1, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Time to substitute a bunch of smaller lies because everyone caught on to the big one.

kingsjester on March 1, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Typicical liberals,soon,Hopey will just pull out!

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM

And if it has Republican ideas, why shouldn’t it be rammed through with reconciliation, right?

Reconciliation is not going to happen…

Let’s just see what they come up with… the republicans should come up with their own compromise(as opposed to ideal) health care plan…

ninjapirate on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

I’m waiting for Plan G. That should come sometime by August.

amerpundit on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

El crapo,spelling snafu,thats typical,Ugh!

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Don’t they have to start all over again on this? It’s a new bill, no? I would think they need to run it through the House and Senate again. Or am I missing something?

AUINSC on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

This reminds me of those teachers in school that would mark your paper, tell you to correct it, and then they’d give you a higher score.

Ain’t gonna happen Obama, now you’re just really REALLY pissing the teacher off.

Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

I’m sorry, but there is not way that this proposal will be anything else than a big piece of garbage. And since when does the president put forth a bill, anyway?

DaydreamBeliever on March 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Plan C is Obama agreeing to moderate his drinking habits.

ahem on March 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

I just hope that whatever it is it does not gain any traction with our side of the aisle. We’ve got to hold the line and kill this mess; a “small” bill is just another step to socialism, the slow death of America.

Never let the camel get its nose under the tent

johnsteele on March 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Looks like The One and his congressional minions are getting desperate to pass anything regarding healthcare reform. That way they save face. And perhaps, in their eyes, save seats come November.

JetBoy on March 1, 2010 at 4:24 PM

search4truth on March 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM

I don’t know if they could write a page of something that is not garbage.

Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I thought the Legislative Branch was supposed to “put forth” the bills?

kingsjester on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

If its Monday, and it must be another Health Care bill. Is someone keeping track of how many bills and “plans” (or whatever the WH calls their submissions) have been presented? Rather than pass a bill, it looks like Obama wants to keep submitting proposals so the Dems can keep pointing their fingers at the party of “No”. With each new bill put forth, it looks more and more pathetic and amateurish. Or maybe they think that eventually one will pass (I forgot, the House AND the Senate passed Health Care bills – too bad they weren’t the same!)

jerseyman on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

As Enoxo writes, they can’t pass a new bill with reconciliation. They can only modify the previously passed senate bill.

JKahn913 on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Plan 9 (c) From Outer Space!!

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

ahem on March 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Have you seen his wife?

(low blow, I apologize)

Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Here’s Serpenthead on GMA this morning insisting that Democrats must pass something to prove they can govern, which is just the latest rationalization in the left’s long, long line of self-delusion about the electoral consequences of this nightmare.

He is completely right and is not delusional… if they would have stopped in November or so they could have gotten away with moving to something else… now they have to pass something… and ramming it in through reconciliation isn’t going to work either…

ninjapirate on March 1, 2010 at 4:27 PM

It won’t matter, unless they drop the taxation before benefits clause.

If that remains? People are going to go ballistic.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 4:27 PM

The Aspirin Management Act of 2010

BobMbx on March 1, 2010 at 4:27 PM

The reason he is doing all of this is because independents — who went against him in Virginia and in New Jersey two to one, in Massachusetts three to one — are the ones who are most upset about the process, about the idea of it being corrupt.
He wants to show the process is now a clean one. It’s his process. It is no longer of the Congress. He has taken control, and that’s why I think this is all a set up.
A cautionary note from Krauthammer.

(HT:AOSHQ).

The Dems have been (unintentionally) playing bad cop – good cop? The bad Congressional Dems made sleazy backroom deals with the likes of Ben Nelson, etc. (Ignoring that Obama was deeply involved in the deals.)

Now Obama comes out with clean hands, and says, here’s my bill. The devil is in the details. Will it basically be the Senate bill in a clean diaper?

Wethal on March 1, 2010 at 4:27 PM

smaller in scope — and quite possibly in cost

lol – ‘quite possibly’, but not necessarily.

brilliant!

Midas on March 1, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Well, I think it’s a genuine threat and something that is far more likely to pass, unless the idiot can’t resist putting poison pills in it like the Union bribe or pro-abortion language.

He will be able to say he listened, that it’s cheaper, that it’s a good start, and no doubt, it will have a few Republican provisions.

He is going for the camel’s nose.

Very dangerous.

We beat off the frontal attack. Now they are coming from the flanks.

notagool on March 1, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Plan 9 (c) From Outer Space!!

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

“Their souls are too controlled.”

JKahn913 on March 1, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Ann Coulter said it best:

Health care has a cold and Dr. Obama wants to amputate both arms and both legs. The Republicans just want to treat the cold. Bipartisanship is now getting Republicans to just amputate the legs and not treat the cold.

The cold remedy:

1. Tort Reform.
2. Sell insurance across state lines.
3. Encourage more doctors so supply will increase.
4. Make all medical expenses tax deductible. This would encourage everyone to move to high deductible insurance and Medical Savings Accounts. Tax exempt benefits encourages unions to seek insurance that pays the first dollar.

That should do it for now.

The Rock on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I just got an e-mail from Allah, he told me that the next time I use a mispelling to get around the site filter, I will be banned.

Anyone else getting these messages?

If so, it looks like the worries about creeping corporatism were justified.

Lord knows we should only be talking about safe, pre-approved topics.

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:24 PM

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Don’t they have to start all over again on this? It’s a new bill, no? I would think they need to run it through the House and Senate again. Or am I missing something?

AUINSC on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

+1 Looks like it requires a start over.

d1carter on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Looks like The One and his congressional minions are getting desperate to pass anything regarding healthcare reform. That way they save face. And perhaps, in their eyes, save seats come November.

JetBoy on March 1, 2010 at 4:24 PM

JetBoy:I think,what you’ve said,sounds accurate,after all,
Obama is on year 2,of zip!:)

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Plan A—shovel ready
Plan B—-shovel ready
Plan C—-same as above.

It’s not a matter of right and left, it’s a matter of right and wrong.

ted c on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

He can leave in the Stupak language and expect someone immediately to file a lawsuit in a federal court in San Francisco claiming a right to elective abortion coverage in federally subsidized health care. The Ninth Circus would affirm.

Wethal on March 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM

So the Booze-Hound in Chief is switchin’ from long necks to ponies, eh?
The first step toward recovery is admitting there’s a problem…

Bruno Strozek on March 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Who trusts these current congressional clunkers to do anything honest?

tarpon on March 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM

If it’s the same bill with tort reform and competition across state lines, the GOP won’t support it. A massive new entitlement is a massive new entitlement. Maybe they’ll get a flake like Snowe or Collins, but the rest of the Republicans will tell Obama to kiss off.

And BTW, there’s no way he’ll include real tort reform. The trial lawyers will tear him a new one.

Doughboy on March 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM

How’s that Obama jobs pivot workin’ out for ya, unemployed people?

Daggett on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

+1 Looks like it requires a start over.

d1carter on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

d1carter: Oh noos,reset button to da rescue!!

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

And it seems like only yesterday Saturday that he was telling is to show some Olympic spirit and pass the full-size POS.

Vashta.Nerada on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

As Enoxo writes, they can’t pass a new bill with reconciliation. They can only modify the previously passed senate bill.

JKahn913 on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Wait, wait – you’re talking as though the rules apply to the Dems. We know this isn’t the case, so let’s rule nothing out, m’kay? :)

Midas on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Looks like their bills are the biggest shovel ready jobs that have been created thus far.

Size doesn’t matter—its principle. He’s now nibbling around the edges of the dog shite pile.

Full stop–complete do over.

ted c on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Would be best for the country if Osama Obama would go directly to “Plan R.”

That would be resignation, and far less injurious to the country than trying to force Plan I (impeachment).

But it’s time for one or the other….

MrScribbler on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Good job GOP. Attending the summit was a wonderful idea. Now we get socialized health care but instead of a $5T cost it will only cost $4.98T and be called bipartisan.

angryed on March 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Would be best for the country if Osama Obama would go directly to “Plan R.”

That would be resignation, and far less injurious to the country than trying to force Plan I (impeachment).

MrScribbler on March 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Right now I’m just rooting for Plan F (Fail)

Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Can we expect a new bill each week from him now?

marmaran on March 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM

It’s better than Hepatitis C. Or is it?

SouthernGent on March 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Serpenthead, lol, nice Allah.

WisCon on March 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM

The plan to go to a smaller bill was leaded the day of the health care summit. IIRC it was mentioned here somewhere.

schmitty on March 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Good job GOP. Attending the summit was a wonderful idea. Now we get socialized health care but instead of a $5T cost it will only cost $4.98T and be called bipartisan.

angryed on March 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Don’t fret. This one is just as dead as it’s big brother.

Vashta.Nerada on March 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I’ve got a couple of weeks left on Double Secret Probation for First Lady unpleasantness.

I’d join in a heckle, but you know how that goes. (I’m almost back in the general population)

BobMbx on March 1, 2010 at 4:36 PM

The GOP needs to accept this generous gift and review it before saying NO……in 8 weeks.

Now we see why all the kamikaze remarks from Nanzi about cramming the bill. These people are not very good at doing things are they?

jukin on March 1, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Plan C = same bill. There will be some ludicrous claim about it being smaller or cheaper, but it won’t be. It will be Reid Senate Bill redux. Cut out a portion of the bill, an expensive part, have the CBO score it low then add the pricey part back in. Then try and get people to ignore the new CBO estimate that surely follows. The left ruled out adding in tort reform or other sensible solutions a year ago. if they haven’t caved in a year they won’t now. Nothing to lose, full speed ahead!

chicagojedi on March 1, 2010 at 4:36 PM

This health insurance thingy is like a big ol’ quagmire, ain’t it?

trubble on March 1, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Who cares what they offer … it’ll still be another massive entitlement program aimed at giving illegals health care. We can’t afford it, and we don’t want it.

Psycho damn democrats

darwin on March 1, 2010 at 4:37 PM

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Please tell me you’re joking.

Count to 10 on March 1, 2010 at 4:39 PM

At what point is another massive rally in DC called for? It needs to be quick. I’ve got a pitchfork.

Sugar Land on March 1, 2010 at 4:40 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Dang, beat me to it. That’s what I get for taking time to do actual work.

Incrementalism — slowly turning up the heat on the frog in the pot. They want nazionalized health care.

rbj on March 1, 2010 at 4:41 PM

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I hate to say, “I told you so” …

neurosculptor on March 1, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Just a smaller TROJAN HORSE.

No quarter must be given unless they start from scratch.

No means No !

Sandybourne on March 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM

So where’s plan B+?

the_nile on March 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM

At what point is another massive rally in DC called for? It needs to be quick. I’ve got a pitchfork.

Sugar Land on March 1, 2010 at 4:40 PM

April 15 will likely see a lot of nationwide tea parties. By then, they may have already rammed this sucker through. In which case, the mood at those rallies could get really ugly.

Doughboy on March 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Speaking of HealthCare,and can we all get along!!

No wonder the Liberals have killed off Bipartisanship.
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The IIC – The Interrupter In Chief

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=18387

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Melody Barnes said:

“They (summit participants) talked about purchasing insurance across state lines doing that, though, in a way to make sure people are treated fairly.”

Translation: Sure, we’ll be “bipartisan” and let you purchase insurance across state lines, but in the interest of “fairness” the same onerous, federal ObamaCare mandates will apply. Thus, it won’t do squat to bring down costs though free-market competition, and it will continue to make it difficult, if not impossible, for private insurers to remain in business.

Buy Danish on March 1, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Plan C is simply to get something, anything he can get, for his legacy symbol.

He was very close to getting nothing at all and he realizes HC is his only prayer to get his name on something lasting.

Republicans should be weary of any bill he pushes no matter how small or innocent it looks.

FireBlogger on March 1, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Small bill to get both House and Senate to vote yea.

Increased to gi-farking-normous in Reconciliation.

Thune on March 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM

What happened to the “B+” plan? :0

Dire Straits on March 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Please tell me you’re joking.

Count to 10 on March 1, 2010 at 4:39 PM

I wish I was.

I’m so PO’d I’m tempted to blast a post filled with nothing but banned words and dump this joint.

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM

The IIC – The Interrupter In Chief
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=18387
canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Aw Aw Aw Aw Awesome.

Buy Danish on March 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM
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Dang, beat me to it. That’s what I get for taking time to do actual work.

Incrementalism — slowly turning up the heat on the frog in the pot. They want nazionalized health care.

rbj on March 1, 2010 at 4:41 PM

rbj: Well if you managed your time better!:)

I’m only kidding,:)

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Yea; It’ll be called the “Acme Package”.
Bare minimum, but required by the feds. Just in case you make somebody else sick.

Cybergeezer on March 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Here’s the text of his Plan C:

IT IS HEREBY ENACTED that good health is declared to be a good thing.

Signed, B. Hussein Obama
__________

He can pass that, and declare victory.

RJGatorEsq. on March 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Plan C will be good for a solid B+

Scrappy on March 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Yah Ed already wrote about this here: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/25/obamas-plan-b/ as did the wsj which he links too. Understandable since there have been so many different bills, but it was a smaller bill than what he proposed (the one the CBO couldn’t score)

schmitty on March 1, 2010 at 4:49 PM

How dense can Obama be?
Plan A, B, C…….. doesn’t matter whatya call it the American people don’t want it. It is amazing to me, with Dem majorities all over the place, prior to January and they can’t do crap, except crap out another (the same)bill.
Maybe this is the symptom and he really does need to moderate his drinking.

ORconservative on March 1, 2010 at 4:49 PM

The IIC – The Interrupter In Chief
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=18387
canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM

That’s articulate!
-Joe “three indian accented letters from Katie’s Diner” Biden

daesleeper on March 1, 2010 at 4:50 PM

The IIC – The Interrupter In Chief
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=18387
canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM
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Aw Aw Aw Aw Awesome.

Buy Danish on March 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Buy Danish: Madness on parade:)

canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 4:50 PM

I just got an e-mail from Allah, he told me that the next time I use a mispelling to get around the site filter, I will be banned.

Anyone else getting these messages?

If so, it looks like the worries about creeping corporatism were justified.

Lord knows we should only be talking about safe, pre-approved topics.

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Corporatism:

the theory and practice of organizing society into “corporations” subordinate to the state. According to corporatist theory, workers and employers would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction. However, as the “corporate state” was put into effect in fascist Italy between World Wars I and II, it reflected the will of the country’s dictator, Benito Mussolini, rather than the adjusted interests of economic groups.

I didn’t realize enforcing the profanity filter was an exercise in corporatism.

RINO in Name Only on March 1, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Here’s my analogy:

All the hard-guy bluster about reconciliation was a bluff; and Conrad gave the last of it away yesterday. And the “summit”… um, yeah, guys in cheap brown suits, some bright lights, all the while your mouthpiece is outside wavin’ a writ of habeas corpus -they know it, you know it. So now what? Junior ADA Obama wants to wave some cheesy plea deal to keep his conviction rate?

Stick it, sonny. I’m time-served on any crap you can get past a judge and you ain’t got the huevos to empanel a jury.

How ’bout we call it day?

Doorgunner on March 1, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Don’t they have to start all over again on this? It’s a new bill, no? I would think they need to run it through the House and Senate again. Or am I missing something?

AUINSC on March 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM

LmAO –YUP!!!! Here we go—ALL over AGAIN! Both houses & conference then back again for final votes. can ya just feel all the love?

lilspitfire on March 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM

I didn’t realize enforcing the profanity filter was an exercise in corporatism.

RINO in Name Only on March 1, 2010 at 4:50 PM

There are so many things that you aren’t aware of, it would take from now till the end of the universe just to list them all.

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Plan D: Obama Dictates what HE wants.

Chip on March 1, 2010 at 4:53 PM

I wish I was.

I’m so PO’d I’m tempted to blast a post filled with nothing but banned words and dump this joint.

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Wow enforcing a profanity filter is enough to provoke a tantrum these days?

Scrappy on March 1, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Doorgunner on March 1, 2010 at 4:51 PM

nice

JiangxiDad on March 1, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Um, the guy they get to counter Carville is Mathew Dowd? The same Mathew Dowd that very publicly said he regreted voting for Bush and announced his intention to vote for Obama? And they didn’t even bother telling that to the viewers? Yeah, no bias there…..

clearbluesky on March 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Big,fat, empty nothings. They shot their whole wad and there’s nothing left. Chicago Jesus is a freaking dud.

JiangxiDad on March 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Just like Preparation H; What happened to A, B, C, D, E, F, G?

Cybergeezer on March 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM

If they change it at all, they have to go thru the House and Senate again. Can’t use reconciliation???

No one is going to trust anything they put together at this point.

PrincipledPilgrim on March 1, 2010 at 4:56 PM

He is going for the camel’s nose.

Very dangerous.

We beat off the frontal attack. Now they are coming from the flanks.

notagool on March 1, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Exactly. Get the camel’s nose into the house chamber as it were, and then shove the whole thing through with a ton of amendments.

NO means NO!

Mangy Scot on March 1, 2010 at 4:56 PM

There are so many things that you aren’t aware of, it would take from now till the end of the universe just to list them all.

MarkTheGreat on March 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Perhaps you could elucidate for the rest of us exactly what the profanity filter on a private website has to do with the subordination of various economic groups to the state.

RINO in Name Only on March 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM

I don’t think Michelle Obama is going to get to be proud of the US again. I hope she liked the feeling that first time.

JiangxiDad on March 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Does anyone actually get to *read* this one before being asked to vote on it?

Midas on March 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM

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