Gulp: At least 10 House Democrats may flip from no to yes on ObamaCare

posted at 8:25 pm on March 1, 2010 by Allahpundit

They need 216 to pass it. They’ve got that right now in theory, but not in practice: Stupak plus some undetermined number of yeses — 15 to 20, by his count — are voting no this time, which means Madam Speaker needs to flip the same number of no votes the other way.

She’s getting close. Maybe.

In interviews with the AP, at least 10 of the 39 Democrats [who voted no] — or their spokesmen — either declined to state their positions or said they were undecided about the revised legislation, making them likely targets for intense wooing by Pelosi and Obama. Three of them — Brian Baird of Washington, Bart Gordon of Tennessee and John Tanner of Tennessee — are not seeking re-election this fall.

The others are Rick Boucher of Virginia, Suzanne Kosmas of Florida, Frank Kratovil of Maryland, Michael McMahon of New York, Walt Minnick of Idaho, Scott Murphy of New York and Glenn Nye of Virginia. Several lawmakers’ offices did not reply to the AP queries…

Democratic leaders have asked colleagues not to use the term “reconciliation” but instead to refer to the process as “majority vote,” said Rep. Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa. They also are frequently using the term “up or down vote.”

Lefty Jonathan Chait thinks the fact that fencesitters are willing to go on the record about their fencesitting bodes well for a flip. Does it? This site did a comprehensive analysis of all 39 Democratic no’s earlier today and declared Walt Minnick a likely lost cause given how tough his reelection fight is. Boucher and Kratovil also come from districts so heavily Republican that a flip to yes would probably be a kamikaze mission. Couldn’t it be that some of these people want their names out there now simply to raise the profile of their vote when they tell Obama and Pelosi no later on? The “I considered voting yes but ultimately followed my constituents’ wishes” pitch packs a dramatic punch for a Democrat who’s in trouble.

Exit question: If they’re this close on the votes, why’s The One rolling out a “much smaller” bill on Wednesday? Go big and twist some arms, Nancy!


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I think she’s outta arms to twist. She may be twisting appendages….but they ain’t arms….

Ouch.

ted c on March 1, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Exit question: If they’re this close on the votes right now, why’s The One rolling out a “much smaller” bill on Wednesday? Go big and twist some arms, Nancy!

Because, reconciliation is not going to happen… all their talk about that is just posturing… and coming out with nothing is not a good option for them either…

Republicans need to be careful not to kneejerk oppose this “much smaller” bill…

ninjapirate on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

This WILL be passed

Someway, Somehow

My guess is that they will get the votes and promise all those who will lose their seats b/c of it some sort of “payback”

LordMaximus on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

You really need to understand that many of these headlines and stories are written to create circumstances that would cause them to happen. 10 Dems are non-committal, so what.

rob verdi on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

The headline should read, “Nancy recruits 10 additional suicide bomber congressmen for jihad attacks against Americans”

wildcat84 on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Go big and twist some arms, Nancy!

Nancy is not twisting arms to pass Obamascare
She is twisting necks

macncheez on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

It was quite likely she had more yes votes before, but allowed a few who really needed to vote no for political cover to do so.

Aviator on March 1, 2010 at 8:32 PM

My guess is that they will get the votes and promise all those who will lose their seats b/c of it some sort of “payback”

LordMaximus on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

There seriously needs to be a law passed that forbids elected officials from entering Federal employ for a certain number of years after they leave office…

wildcat84 on March 1, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Kosmas is my representative, I believe. She’d be DOA for supporting this.

Looks like a local phone-melting may be in order.

Scott H on March 1, 2010 at 8:33 PM

I guess all the hookers and hidden cams that Rahm had sent to their rooms paid off.

obladioblada on March 1, 2010 at 8:33 PM

It’s amazing how many votes a promised Ambassadorship to some tropical island paradise can get you…

The names and faces of these people should be broadcast for all to see.

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2010 at 8:33 PM

You guys with blue dog congresscritters light up the phones and fax machines!

conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 8:34 PM

I don’t know how to feel without an AP pessimism meter. Why are you slacking with this one, Allah?

RachDubya on March 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM

I believe that something will be passed.

WisCon on March 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Republicans need to be careful not to kneejerk oppose this “much smaller” bill…

ninjapirate on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

So if the crap sandwich is new and improved – now with 50% less crap we should chow down?

Aviator on March 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM

By the way, don’t tell em they are out anyway. Tell em you will vote for them if they vote no. LIE!

conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Tanner not running for re-election? Possible. Rick Boucher? Not if he wants to be re-elected.

And he does.

ladyingray on March 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM

She is twisting necks

macncheez on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Them ain’t necks or arms that she’s a twistin’

thomasaur on March 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM

The smaller bill will appear to include the ideas that the Repubs gave at the Summit. It will be smaller but not by much, but it will make the Repubs look like the party of “no” if they reject the bill with their own ideas. BHO may even hold a press conference to drive it home.

d1carter on March 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Everyone knows that the “smaller bill” will include the GOP recommendations so that they can’t say no.

txag92 on March 1, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Exit question: If they’re this close on the votes, why’s The One rolling out a “much smaller” bill on Wednesday? Go big and twist some arms, Nancy!

Personally, that’s what I find scary. If he offers insurance across state lines, how many RINOS will jump ship?

conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Enough with the “gulps” and “too-good-to-checks.”

Keep fighting no matter what happens and never quit.

REPEAL, REPEAL, REPEAL.

J.J. Sefton on March 1, 2010 at 8:38 PM

If you ever voted for a ‘D’ in the past or think you may vote for one in the future…this is a good reason why you shouldn’t.

They are all fish-bait now and they know it. They are going to vote this crap through because they’ve know they are the walking dead come November. Why not? There is a chance, given the sad mental state of the morons who voted for them in the first place, that if they pull it off, the MSM watching mouth breathers will give them another term for screwing them and America right into the ground..

AUINSC on March 1, 2010 at 8:39 PM

This has to be passed. If “health care” is not passed the unions go down. They need Joe and Jane Blow to pay for what they promised. The unions are Obama..Obama is SEIU. ACORN and Obama are family.

Its going to happen imo.

Itchee Dryback on March 1, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Nancy is not twisting arms to pass Obamascare
She is twisting necks

macncheez on March 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Nancy has progressed beyond arms and necks. She’s got a little black book full of ‘dirty-little-secrets’ in one hand and she’s squeezing b*lls with the other hand. No House Dem is safe from her.

But, maybe somebody will decide to clock her pretty soon.

Yoop on March 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Everyone knows that the “smaller bill” will include the GOP recommendations so that they can’t say no.

txag92 on March 1, 2010 at 8:37 PM

And everyone knows all those items will be killed off later.

conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM

And everyone knows all those items will be killed off later.

conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Yep.

txag92 on March 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Please make it happen.
You will seal your fate.
Political wilderness.

carbon_footprint on March 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM

rick boucher has opposition. and his district (coal country) does not want this, especiallyafter he voted for cap ‘n trade. but he watched the Super Bowl with Bambi & got some good arugula from Michelle. I can’t believe he voted NO the first time.

glenn nye has been very, very blue dog. but he will have good opposition as well. he will not vote for this because his previous “NO” vote may well be what keeps his seat.

kelley in virginia on March 1, 2010 at 8:43 PM

This is why i get so damn mad when people even fox used the words moderate or even conservative democrat.THERE IS NOT ANY SUCH ANIMAL AS A MODERATE OR CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT!!!!!!

thmcbb on March 1, 2010 at 8:44 PM

So the house is going to pass the Senate bill, and then pass a ‘much smaller’ reconciliation bill on simple majority vote?

Skandia Recluse on March 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM

but Perriello, dem, 5th CD VA, swore up & down that he would never vote for it if it had fed funding for abortion. when asked about this recently, he weaved & bobbed as well as any Yale-trained lawyer does. he will vote for this again. even without Stupak amendment.

kelley in virginia on March 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM

This is like a Friday the 13th or Halloween movie – the “thing” just won’t die!

My only hope is that when the R’s get control of Congress back the truth about the corruption that got the votes will come to light.

truetexan on March 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM

If they had the votes Obama wouldn’t be announcing a whole new scaled back bill Wednesday.

Chuck Schick on March 1, 2010 at 8:47 PM

If they want to keep repeating the mantra of “an up or down vote”, then it’s time to ask them for the same type of vote on immigration reform and abortion.

keioki on March 1, 2010 at 8:47 PM

skandia: no. the house may pass the Senate bill. and when they do that, it goes to Bambi’s desk for signature.

but if a smaller bill is introduced in either chamber, the process starts again.

kelley in virginia on March 1, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Exit question: If they’re this close on the votes, why’s The One rolling out a “much smaller” bill on Wednesday? Go big and twist some arms, Nancy!

Deception. Head fake. Distraction.

What ever you want to call it…in basketball or war, confusion on your opponents part is a good thing.

r keller on March 1, 2010 at 8:48 PM

…and so ends the myth of the moderate Democrat.

blue13326 on March 1, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Another Gulp? Did Allah work at a 7-11 in a past life or something?

Rocks on March 1, 2010 at 8:48 PM

the article doesn’t say anything about the “yes” votes who now want to back off of it because of the wishes of their constuents.

kelley in virginia on March 1, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Just had a thought, could all this talk about having the votes be like the “we have lots of common ground” at the summit to try and get the American people to buy this crap?

truetexan on March 1, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Kelley is right. The real question is whether Stupak and et.al. will flip or not. That is 10-20 votes right there…

neoavatara on March 1, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Step 1: Melt the phone lines in Washington and their district offices.

Step 2: Vote all Democrats out of office at the Federal, State and Local levels.

Here is the calendar of upcoming Primary Elections:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/01/03/congressional_primary_calendar.html

Make sure you have strong candidates running against all Democrats in your district! Vote incumbents out of office in the Primary! No need to wait until November!

wren on March 1, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Anything Pelosi or Obama “propose” to force on us needs to be resisted.

There is no trust. They do no govern with our consent.

They are an illegitimate Marxist cabal intent on destroying as much of our country as possible before we send them to political oblivion.

RESIST.

elduende on March 1, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Seriously…it is time for us tea partiers to get it together and GET OUT THERE again!

bridgetown on March 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Them ain’t necks or arms that she’s a twistin’

thomasaur on March 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Word is Pelosi’s office has ordered 3 dozen pairs of tweezers in the last week.

katy on March 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Every rep voting for this will have to leave their office everyday through the back door.
They will be humiliated, hounded, spat upon, and their service ridiculed.
They will have but a few supporting them, and the vast majority baiting them at every campaign, expressing their disgust at not being represented.
That is what we must do…let them know that a vote for this will destroy their reputation, destroy their candidacy, and destroy the democrat party….and yes, the outcome will be, that many of their families will be torn apart.
They want to destroy the economy, America? Then they have to understand that they are in a battle…a battle to let them know that they are representing us, not lobbyists, not their own party, but the American people.
This is a foolish mistake on their part…very foolish, they think we are just being “political”. They will be shocked to see what comes out of their insistence of not being held accountable.
They want a battle, they want a war? Is that what it will take? Then they will have a battle…

right2bright on March 1, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Kelly, thx for your VA analysis.
They will try to pass ANYTHING AT ALL.
A failure to pass some kind of legislation is too much lost face at this point.
Never underestimate the depths of deception reached by desperate people.

riverrat10k on March 1, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Personally, that’s what I find scary. If he offers insurance across state lines, how many RINOS will jump ship?

conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 8:38 PM

I agree..but I’m confused. Doesn’t that mean that they have to go back to square 1 because it would be a new bill that was reconciled by no one but BO?

Itchee Dryback on March 1, 2010 at 8:58 PM

If they had the votes Obama wouldn’t be announcing a whole new scaled back bill Wednesday.

Chuck Schick on March 1, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Obama won’t be announcing anything new on Wednesday.
He’ll use smaller easier words and speak slowly to us,
and maybe use pictures to illustrate his plans
just as Valerie Jarret said is needed
For we are the dum dums remember ?

macncheez on March 1, 2010 at 9:00 PM

I think people are underestimating what will happen if forced upon the American people. They are playing with fire.

TheBigOldDog on March 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Just as we’ve been saying all long, the True Believers in the Great Socialist Utopia would use a roll a duct tape to make sure that the shotgun against their own head won’t move, if they think they will actually get their Holy Grail of Single Payer.

There are a lot of Democrats that are unwilling to sacrifice themselves at the Alter of the ObamReidLosi.

I think we need another snow blizzard or two.

JamesLee on March 1, 2010 at 9:03 PM

I agree..but I’m confused. Doesn’t that mean that they have to go back to square 1 because it would be a new bill that was reconciled by no one but BO?

Itchee Dryback on March 1, 2010 at 8:58 PM

If it is a new bill, it should start in the House, as an appropriations bill, and then on to the Senate. They’d need 60 votes to get past cloture.

If it amended the Senate bill or House bill, they’d need 60 votes to get the amendment past cloture when it was in the Senate.

It if is reconciliation, they’d need 51, but the House woiuld have to pass the Senate version first. Then they both pass the same reconciliation bill. Assuming they follow the rules…..

Wethal on March 1, 2010 at 9:03 PM

OMG, the AP reports…..

Who cares what the AP says?

David in ATL on March 1, 2010 at 9:06 PM

double gulp

Biden can overrule parliamentarian
Former Senate parliamentarian Robert Dove, a guy who’s been getting a lot of exposure lately, says that the vice president, in his role as president of the Senate, can overrule the parliamentarian’s calls on what provisions fit under reconciliation rules and which don’t — a fact that could fundamentally alter the floor debate should Democrats use the maneuver to bypass Republicans’ filibuster threat.

“The parliamentarian only can advise, it is the vice president who rules,” Dove said in an interview on MSNBC.

Dove said not since Hubert Humphrey has a vice president played such a role, but, as NBC’s Chuck Todd pointed out, few vice president since Humphrey understand the Senate rules as well as Vice President Biden.

at Politico

windansea on March 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM

This could be more orchestrated theatre. The summit failed to rally the Dems to reassure them that it was safe to vote for reconciliation. On to Act II.

This may be more faking by people who’ve been told to say they’re pondering their votes. So was Bayh, until he was caught off the record bragging about how bills like Obamacare were the reason he came to DC.

There are Dem senators (including Nelson) who are publicly “open” to reconciliation, but want to wait to evaluate the final bill.

Wethal on March 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM

My gut, in addition to feeling like it needs to show me my dinner again, is also telling me that this is all a show. If they had the votes they would have passed this by now. I think this all a show to pin blame on the GOP. Nothing more.

Gatsu on March 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM

I think the “much smaller bill” is going to look remarkably like one of the GOP’s proposals so that the Democrats and Obama can claim victory and the GOP can’t oppose.

I think they feel this is the only way not to get destroyed in November.

gophergirl on March 1, 2010 at 9:09 PM

So the house is going to pass the Senate bill, and then pass a ‘much smaller’ reconciliation bill on simple majority vote?

Skandia Recluse on March 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM

skandia: no. the house may pass the Senate bill. and when they do that, it goes to Bambi’s desk for signature.

but if a smaller bill is introduced in either chamber, the process starts again.

kelley in virginia on March 1, 2010 at 8:47 PM

I still don’t get it. If Maobama introduces a new bill, or a new idea for a bill, then reconciliation is out the window, right? If a new bill is introduced it is starting all over which is what dear leader said he won’t do, but what Republicans have been screaming for. Maobama isn’t about to give that to Republicans, is he? I am so confused! (which I think is the goal, here) It seems to me that they are going to pinky swear to the House a reconcilliation but that the goal is to put the Senate bill on Bambi’s desk to sign.

texgal on March 1, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Pelosi has been concentrating her rhetoric almost exclusively on how the Senate must act. Clearly, she doesn’t have the votes in the House.

ROCnPhilly on March 1, 2010 at 9:10 PM

How is this bad news for us? Of the 39 Dems who voted against the House bill 10 either refused to state their position on a yet to be disclosed different bill or stated that they hadn’t made up their minds yet. The unstated corollary is that 29 were willing to go on the record to say: “no way, no how.” That means that instead of having 39 “no” votes to work with, she has 10 and not a single one was willing to outright switch their vote.

jdp629 on March 1, 2010 at 9:15 PM

My gut, in addition to feeling like it needs to show me my dinner again, is also telling me that this is all a show. If they had the votes they would have passed this by now. I think this all a show to pin blame on the GOP. Nothing more.

Gatsu on March 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM

As I recall from my amateur military/leadership historian days that General Lee was constantly in search of a decisive battle that would, for lack of a better term, force the civil war to a conclusion.

I said when the Dems recaptured Congress, and repeated when Obama won the Presidency, that more than anything, I wanted the Left to pursue their entire agenda with little restraint. They have to a large extent. The American people are seeing the results of it and it’s making them sick as I had hoped.

Now I think we need a Lee-type decisive battle. We needed them to use every dirty trick in their book and every sleazy tactic in their corrupt arsenal to pass this abomination against the expressed will of the people so that we can then end this war for generations.

TheBigOldDog on March 1, 2010 at 9:20 PM

They are going to run this “smaller” bill out, and it will simply be the Senate bill with a few sops to Republicans added in. Then, when the Repubs refuse to vote for it, they will go to reconciliation and say, “Hey, we tried to compromise with the Republicans, but all they will do is say NO.”

This probably still won’t work. HCR is most likely dead. Never count it out until the end of the session, though.

Buford Gooch on March 1, 2010 at 9:21 PM

They will pass the legislation. I know for sure Rick Boucher will vote yes. The dims are great at keeping there troops in line.

Jdripper on March 1, 2010 at 9:21 PM

If they’re this close on the votes, why’s The One rolling out a “much smaller” bill on Wednesday?

BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE THE VOTES AND THEY KNOW IT!

GarandFan on March 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM

As I recall from my amateur military/leadership historian days that General Lee was constantly in search of a decisive battle that would, for lack of a better term, force the civil war to a conclusion.

I said when the Dems recaptured Congress, and repeated when Obama won the Presidency, that more than anything, I wanted the Left to pursue their entire agenda with little restraint. They have to a large extent. The American people are seeing the results of it and it’s making them sick as I had hoped.

Now I think we need a Lee-type decisive battle. We needed them to use every dirty trick in their book and every sleazy tactic in their corrupt arsenal to pass this abomination against the expressed will of the people so that we can then end this war for generations.

TheBigOldDog on March 1, 2010 at 9:20 PM

This seems to be shaping up more like Verdun to me. The left is going to blow themselves to pieces trying to win this. And they won’t.

Gatsu on March 1, 2010 at 9:32 PM

The whole system is too corrupt. Obama will give every one of these fence-sitters a golden parachute job in the federal government if they cave.

The Dean on March 1, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Do It !!!

I’m up for a revolution.

BowHuntingTexas on March 1, 2010 at 9:35 PM

But, do they have the backing of the American people? Because, on election day, THAT is what people will cast their votes on.

Shiny_Tiara on March 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM

What’s true, what’s not true? I have no clue anymore. All I know is never trust Dems. I’m starting to believe all of this is being put out there, in order to cause chaos, and confusion among us…while behind the scenes, who knows what’s playing out? But I have no doubts a lot , if not all of this are created diversions.

capejasmine on March 1, 2010 at 9:42 PM

If they’re this close on the votes, why’s The One rolling out a “much smaller” bill on Wednesday?

BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE THE VOTES AND THEY KNOW IT!

GarandFan on March 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Yep but they want the other Democrats to think their buddies are going to walk the plank it’s an old trick and if they get fooled they don’t belong in public office with the big boys and girls in the first place.

Do It !!!

I’m up for a revolution.

BowHuntingTexas on March 1, 2010 at 9:35 PM

It would actually help if they did ram this through the seething anger, and resentment, without any outlet, that would build up between now and November….people would be so ready to throw the bums out…yeah ram it through Nan it’s the right thing to do, for our own good CHUCKLE.

The left hates it without a public option and the right hates it, because lets face it -it doesn’t lower cost of health insurance, and it is unsustainable debt.

Dr Evil on March 1, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Partly correct. A distraction and a way to raise taxes to continue to try to bail out the overextended debt levels.

Debt service is becoming so high, that not enough is left to pay for entitlement programs. And round it goes.

riverrat10k on March 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM

My guess is Brian Baird will vote no — that way he helps out the next democrat in line by appeasing the middle-left and right-leaning Tea Partiers (who he pissed off this summer) and by taking the arrows from the loony-left (who he pissed off this summer). Decoy duck democrat. Baird’s not a bad guy — as far as I know he doesn’t vote just to toe the party line, he doesn’t seem to admire socialism, and I doubt his vote is for sale. Unlike other Washington State dumbocrats.

starboardhelm on March 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Let’s not forget who side the AP is on. They desperately want to create an atmosphere that the votes are switching yes. One part is to sauve their own egos. I think we forget the press is tied to Obama and Obama is tied to health care and if the health care anchor is thrown overboard all the hopes of the leftists go with it as they see it. Imagine if HC goes down and AP is trying to prop Obama back up. Think they want that or do they for temselves and for Obama want a win on HC and can trumpet his presidency? To see why AP is no unbiased messaenger is not difficult to see.

Conan on March 1, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Relax. They don’t have the votes.

datadriver on March 1, 2010 at 10:12 PM

I can’t speak to the others, but as for (Tennessee) Bart Gordon & John Tanner, a “yea” vote will gaurantee them the ‘Ben Nelson Restaurant’ treatment. We tried government-run health care (TN Care) and it nearly bankrupted our state. Retirement won’t save them from an onslaught of taunts from Seniors/Middle Class. Pizza anyone?

TN Mom on March 1, 2010 at 10:13 PM

This is how the end game works.

Dems offer ‘smaller’ bill with several goodies for the Repubs. It’s an obvious trojan horse and no support comes from the Right.

The Dems fail to pass the Senate bill due to the numerous conflicts with House lefties (no public option) and pro-life lobby (abortion funding).

The bill dies in the House.

Obama and the Left blame Right wing extremism and the Party of No for the failure.

Liberals campaign on ‘Hope and Real Change” in the Fall.

It’s their plan. I didn’t say it was a good plan. They are, after all, the Party that can’t Shoot Straight.

DrW on March 1, 2010 at 10:24 PM

As Rove said tonight, what can you say about a representative government where the elected are terrified to return home to the people who they represent?
Now they’re worried about Easter break! Unreal! To run to Washington DC for cover!

Marcus on March 1, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Kosmas is my representative, I believe. She’d be DOA for supporting this.

Looks like a local phone-melting may be in order.

Scott H on March 1, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Cosmos is gone no matter what. This district was hand-carved for Tom Feeney. I guess to compensate for Corrine Brown. Hell’s bells, I may run against that broad, and I couldn’t get elected dog catcher.
The only reason Feeney lost was because of all those stupid children first time voters voting for the cool black Jesus. And since they were already there, it was only too easy to go right down the line and vote for anything with a D after it. Won’t happen in 2010 or 2012.

Lanceman on March 1, 2010 at 10:27 PM

I’m getting really sick and tired of this debate. Right now I’m more interested in what the heck we’re going to do if it does pass. The Democrat party has been taken over by the far, far Left and they don’t give a damn if the moderates are wiped out if it means they can impose socialism on this nation against the clear majority of American citizens.

What we have is a coup d’etat in the making brought about by a once in a lifetime alignment of the Democrats’ stars. We are literally at risk of losing our republic and the Left is simply thrilled at the prospect of enslaving the middle class to the federal government. We will exist to be the host to the parasites of the Democrat constituency.

I personally will not stand for it. I’m not sure yet what I’ll do but I will not be an indentured servant. I will definitely be working overtime at the state level to push for nullification and 10th Amendment challenges to this unconstitutional assault on my liberties. I will even consider supporting secession.

Are we going to allow ourselves to be enslaved? What’s next? I suspect the next target will be our private retirement assets.

My second biggest fear, behind Obamacare, is the members of the ‘moderate’ wing of the GOP who will shrug their shoulders and say “we tried” and then do as the conservatives in the UK do which is to argue that they can run the welfare state better than the Leftists. How many in the GOP are ready for full scale political war to save this nation from our would be masters? Who are they? I want them to commit to battle now. we must demand our candidates explicitly announce their intention to fight for repeal. If they defeat a Dem based on the Dem’s support for Obamacare they cannot be allowed to not make a statement about their position on repeal.

DerKrieger on March 1, 2010 at 10:31 PM

This thing can’t collapse…..his whole last year has been messing around with this!!!

Even if he signs a insurance company benefits package of tax credits for big insurers and $5,000 tax credits for individuals…..HE’S GOT TO HAVE THAT SIGNING CEREMONY at the White House (Soros and SEIU paid good money for it!!!)

Damn the Torpedoes!!!!!!

PappyD61 on March 1, 2010 at 10:41 PM

These “no” Dem’s who have now gone to fence-sitting are just playing the game in order to get more pork slung in their trough. My guess is that there will be massive amounts to go around from the unspent portion of Porkulus to grease the way.

Some will take the pork in hopes it will be enough to save their jobs and vote yes, and some will not. We’ve got to keep up the pressure; as many have said above, melt the phones.

hillbillyjim on March 1, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Where are my comments?

DerKrieger on March 1, 2010 at 10:44 PM

I’ve tried posting a comment three times now and it won’t show up even though on the second time I received the comment that said I’d already posted the same comment. Ok, where is it?

DerKrieger on March 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM

So if the crap sandwich is new and improved – now with 50% less crap we should chow down?

Aviator on March 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM

We should seriously consider it. The Dems WILL use reconciliation because they know that once it passes, nobody but nobody is gonna repeal it or else they’ll be the guys who TOOK AWAY YOUR HEALTHCARE OMG!!11!!one!

We might be doing pretty good but at the end of the day the Dems just have way more votes to play around with than we do. Note to people in love with 3rd party runs: this is why losing elections sucks.

combatwombat on March 1, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Hopey is a dopey

m’mm m’mm m’mm

bluegrass on March 1, 2010 at 11:34 PM

I’ll call their bluff. Easy money.

SouthernGent on March 1, 2010 at 11:44 PM

They do have the votes. They don’t care about re-election. This is the left’s dream.

Swap the two sides. Reps hold 59 seats in the senate and 250 in the house and Palin is president. There is a vote to ban abortion nationally (ignore Roe v. Wade or any legal challeneges, say this bill bans abortion 100%). The bill is polling at 55-60% against and Palin is at 45% approval.

What do you think happens? I think the bill gets passed, signed and the GOP says we’ll take our losses in the mid-terms but we’re doing what we think is right.

And that’s the thinking for Dems. They’ll sacrifice themselves to achieve the goal of a socialist America.

angryed on March 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM

Everyone knows that the “smaller bill” will include the GOP recommendations so that they can’t say no.

txag92 on March 1, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Indeed. Like a public option and tort reform (!!!).

I continue to loathe and despise these Dems. Have they considered where they’ll go when they need heart surgery once all “private” practice is reduced to the health department?

Fools, the lot of them.

citrus on March 2, 2010 at 8:47 AM

They do have the votes. They don’t care about re-election. This is the left’s dream.

Swap the two sides. Reps hold 59 seats in the senate and 250 in the house and Palin is president. There is a vote to ban abortion nationally (ignore Roe v. Wade or any legal challeneges, say this bill bans abortion 100%). The bill is polling at 55-60% against and Palin is at 45% approval.

What do you think happens? I think the bill gets passed, signed and the GOP says we’ll take our losses in the mid-terms but we’re doing what we think is right.

And that’s the thinking for Dems. They’ll sacrifice themselves to achieve the goal of a socialist America.

angryed on March 2, 2010 at 8:16 AM

The difference here, though, is a moral compass.

The Reps would ban abortion because the vast majority (myself included) believe it is the murder of an innocent life.

The Dems want to ram this through – not so everyone can have “free” health care – but because it hands them so much power over the citizens of this country. They know that as it stands, anyone CAN get free health care in this country and those of us with insurance are paying for it, along with taxpayers who support publicly funded hospitals.

citrus on March 2, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Gordon and Tanner from Tennessee are not seeking re-election. They know they cannot get elected because of this health reform fiasco. Both have stabbed their constituents in the past as their liberal stances have not reflected the voice of the people who elected them. To drive a stake in their constituents’ hearts would just be business as usual as they sneak out the back door like liberals always do.

volsense on March 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM

well I say good, let them force this on the american people.
Perhaps enough of those lazy b*stards will get off their collective fat butts and help get rid of all those jerks that vote yes on it.

Sooner or later people have to wake the hell up and get involved.

ColdWarrior57 on March 2, 2010 at 7:26 PM