Video: The most clueless radio show caller ever?

posted at 1:20 pm on February 28, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Okay, let’s be honest. All of us, at one time or another, have poached on a wi-fi network in order to get Internet access while on the road. Even Leo LaPorte, the host of The Tech Guy radio show, admitted he’s done it, too, on occasion. However, he’s never been clueless enough to whine about losing access to the wi-fi router after poaching for over a year and a half from home, or asking for technical assistance to get access back into it again (via Melissa Clouthier):

Leo’s right; technically, this is theft, although no one’s going to arrest anyone for it. You’re taking resources (especially bandwidth) from people who have to pay for it. It’s not theft when using the public networks that businesses set up for their customers, such as Panera and other coffee shops, although it’s arguably unethical if one uses their networks without at least buying something from them. When using a private but unencrypted network for more than 18 months, that’s a completely different matter, ethically if not legally.

What are the morals to this story? If you have a wireless network in your house, encrypt it immediately, and make sure you check once in a while to ensure that only your devices are on the network. If you have to travel extensively (or just are out of the house on a regular basis), then get a wireless access device through the cell phone companies. I use Verizon’s MiFi 2200, and it works great; I can even network a few PCs off of it if I need to do so. For the home, get a bundled package from the phone or cable company for your own Internet connection. Remember that any unencrypted access point not only allows you access to the Internet, it allows the network access to your PC and the stream of communication you’re creating between your PC and the Internet. It’s like having sex with strangers and not using a condom; you’ll only get lucky for so long before getting a disease.

And if you poach someone else’s Internet access for 18 months, don’t whine when it disappears or call into tech shows to try to get it back — unless you really enjoy being an example to others and exposing yourself as a clueless cheapskate. As for her final defense, that the price of broadband Internet access drove her to poaching, it’s a great example of the entitlement mentality in current vogue — and her “someone should make it cheaper” demand is the impulse that drives statism.

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Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:07 PM

That’s why bad guys should never trust the good guys. Thank God they make dumb mistakes like that.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM

There are legitimate reasons to use Limewire, just be careful.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM

OK. It’s mostly ‘amateur’ stuff, so there won’t be copyright infringement. And most of the time I just delete the stuff almost immediately.
I have no problem paying 99 cents a song at Napster. I don’t begrudge artists from wanting to be paid for their work. Not even Bruce Springsteen.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Shovel that snow/
Swat that fly/
Livin’ in the yoop/
Do or die/

Where you from, like Engadine or something?

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Where you from, like Engadine or something?

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Probably Copper Harbor, the upscale yoopies are driving out the finns…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Then close your router. It’s not hard to do. You can also make a pretty good case for the fact that you didn’t access a kiddie porn site from the logs, history, and cookies on your computer. Even if you just reloaded your drive by coincidence before the investigators come they can do a forensic analysis, that would still probably prove you didn’t access the site.

DFCtomm on February 28, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Yes, but, in the meanwhile you’ve been arrested and your name smeared all over in the news.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:22 PM

More global Warming, please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Yes, but, in the meanwhile you’ve been arrested and your name smeared all over in the news.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:22 PM

The retraction will be in small print on page 19.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:13 PM

I pay for my music because the song writers make pittance off of their work.As far as the artists are concerned, they can take the hit. The guys who help them be successful can’t.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Just bought two new iPhones. Checked out the BestBuy plan and compared it to Apple’s. Apple covered more and was half the cost. Unusual I know but that’s how it was. It was the first service plan I bought in my entire life. The only reason I bought this one is as I increase into my doddering stage I become more butterfingered and can forsee dropping the darned thing in a toilet somewhere or leaving it on the counter in a diner somewhere.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Get an otterbox. I dropped mine in a canal and it was underwater for around 5 minutes before I found it. It was fine. Only three drops of water entered the case. I let the phone dry and still have it.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Where you from, like Engadine or something?

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:16 PM

West end, in a Lake Superior snow belt. A Lions fan trapped in Packer Country. ;-)

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Like I said, this is the first tech warranty I’ve ever purchased so I have no experience. That said the thing I got on the iPhones supposedly covers any damage, including theft, dropping in water and jumping up and down on it. If it comes to that and they give me a hassle I’ll revert to never buying one again.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM

I had an unencrypted router when I lived on 40 acres. I figured, I would notice a guy in the cornfield with a laptop.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 7:12 PM

Well that might be ok except that I live the same way. I have wireless that I pick up from a tower 7 miles away with a big dish on the side of the house. I can pick up my neighbors wireless that is 3/4 of a mile away and no, it isn’t secure.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:30 PM

West end, in a Lake Superior snow belt. A Lions fan trapped in Packer Country. ;-)

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM

A fellow masochist, eh? The Lions are in there 54th rebuilding year…Makes Wayne Fontes look like a genius, eh? I have folks in Wakefield and, Ironwood too.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I pay for my music because the song writers make pittance off of their work.As far as the artists are concerned, they can take the hit. The guys who help them be successful can’t.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Once upon a time a rock group that had a multi-platinum selling album (vinyl acetate disk about 12″ in diameter) made quite a nice piece of change. A driving reason to be a rock star. The broads throwing their panties were just gravy.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Get an otterbox.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM

I heard something about these things the other day. I need to check them out.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 9:32 PM

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Once, I dumped the gf, I lost the open router thing. She whined if her laptop couldn’t get signal and it was as finicky as she was. lol

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Well that might be ok except that I live the same way. I have wireless that I pick up from a tower 7 miles away with a big dish on the side of the house. I can pick up my neighbors wireless that is 3/4 of a mile away and no, it isn’t secure.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Roh-oh… I’m seven miles from my tower. You been reading my mail?

Nah… I’m secured.

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:33 PM

The retraction will be in small print on page 19.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Your paper does retractions? The only time I’ve seen one here is if it’s a major screw up makes the paper liable.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:34 PM

West end, in a Lake Superior snow belt. A Lions fan trapped in Packer Country. ;-)

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM

I heard a song a couple of weeks ago and it reminded me of Ontanogon. I had a burger at the A&W. My father was from Bark River. Man, those horseflies suck.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Once upon a time a rock group that had a multi-platinum selling album (vinyl acetate disk about 12″ in diameter) made quite a nice piece of change. A driving reason to be a rock star. The broads throwing their panties were just gravy.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Except for John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival…When he went solo, the record company claimed he sounded to much like himself which violated his contract somehow…
http://cip.law.ucla.edu/cases/case_fantfogerty.html

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:35 PM

The Hilltop Cafe in L’anse, had the greatest cinnamon rolls…About 6″ across and 3″ thick.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Man, those horseflies suck.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Big enough to carry away small children…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Yeah. Their manager conned those dumb hicks out of the rights to their music. Hence the song ‘Vance Can’t Dance’.
Can you imagine he won that lawsuit? Paging George Harrison.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:42 PM

And I love playing ‘The Old Man Down The Road’ on the geetar.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:43 PM

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 9:34 PM

I don’t read the local paper. Shoot, i don’t read a national paper, either.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 9:52 PM

The Hilltop Cafe in L’anse, had the greatest cinnamon rolls…About 6″ across and 3″ thick.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 9:37 PM

They still serve them. A whole meal in one roll. Weigh a pound or so, each. Now ya made me hungry.

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Are you sure that’s Applecare? There is a tiny water sensor thing in the iPhone, I think it’s around the headphone jack, but if it’s pink when you take it in it voids the warranty.

The annoying thing is that it’s so sensitive it can turn pink from steam, sweat, or in some cases, humidity.

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM

There’s a water sensor in every cell phone. Basically it lets the powers that be that you immersed your cell phone and no replacement phone for you.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM

I heard a song a couple of weeks ago and it reminded me of Ontanogon. I had a burger at the A&W. My father was from Bark River. Man, those horseflies suck.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Ya, I know dat place. But you got ta spell it rite. Ontonagon.

Bark River. Home of the best knife-making company in the country at this time. Especially since Marbles started farming their line out to China for manufacturing.

http://www.barkriverknifetool.com/

Seriously, they are one of the most successful semi-custom knife firms in the business. Sales are unreal.

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Yeah . . . I know, that’s why the claim that the warranty covered water damage made no sense to me.
They have those sensors in the iPod touches too, won’t replace it at Apple, but they will replace it at Best Buy.

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 10:04 PM

http://www.barkriverknifetool.com/

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Elk! We ain’t got none o’ those in Florida. Take the ol’ .458 and KABLAMMO! Elk burgers.

I knew I spelled it wrong after I hit submit.

Lanceman on February 28, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Nope, your’re right. I just pulled the thing out and read it and it only covers defects. Water damage or signs of physical abuse voids the warranty. The sales rep in the AT&T store misrepresented the thing. Can’t whine though because caveat emptor. Should have read the thing at the store. Actually should have just gone with my usual profile of not buying vapor. This thing is pretty much useless. No matter how old you get you can still learn things. Too bad I had to learn this lesson over again. Oh well, fool me once blah blah blah.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM

I’m sorry =(

It happens to everyone. Trust me, there are forums full of them. Even the “youngins”
It’s not your fault they misrepresented the warranty, bleh.

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 10:16 PM

It happens to everyone. Trust me, there are forums full of them. Even the “youngins”
It’s not your fault they misrepresented the warranty, bleh.

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 10:16 PM

It’s my fault for not making sure of what I was buying. I don’t even feel particularly bad about it, just a little foolish. Won’t happen again.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM

btw if it makes you feel any better I’ve had no issues with my iPhone neither has my husband. I would definitely suggest an otterbox though, even the apple associates swear by them. I have a case on mine because I’m a bit of a clutz, no bangs or bruises on it yet!

Ingenue on February 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Roh-oh… I’m seven miles from my tower. You been reading my mail?

Nah… I’m secured.

Yoop on February 28, 2010 at 9:33 PM

That reminds me, don’t trust that guy from Nigeria. He isn’t who he says he is.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM

There’s a water sensor in every cell phone. Basically it lets the powers that be that you immersed your cell phone and no replacement phone for you.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM

My cell phone company offers “assurance”. It covers you if you immerse your phone. I think it’s 6 or 7 bucks a month.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Oldnuke on February 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Well, that’s pretty much how all cellphone warranties work. You’d call Apple Car if you had a technical issue with it. If the phone locks up for whatever reason, or you have another technical glitch, you can call them.

Honestly, that i know of, no one protects their products from water damage.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:22 PM

The moisture detector in the iphone is easily replaced. Easy peasy and worth it since replacing the damn phone is $600

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 10:21 PM

I bought phone insurance once because I’d keep leaving my cell phone in my pants and they would get washed. After the second time, they dropped me.

That was a very expensive lesson.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Most phones (except the iPhone) have them on the battery. Replace the battery and viola! Except the screen’s still jacked up. Can’t do anything about that.

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:25 PM

youtube vids on replacing the moisture sensor

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Thanks for the input from upthread, all. I never thought about the possibility we were all using the same channel. Of course I designated my link to be the one that was used, but my computer kept seeking a stronger signal. Why wouldn’t my signal in my own freaking house be the strongest? Of course we also have an issue that if you use a cordless phone you constantly have to change the channel because we pick up about 4 neighbor’s conversations clear as a bell. Which can be interesting at times, I will admit……still it’s not like we are in 1970 and have party lines.

di butler on February 28, 2010 at 10:30 PM

My stupid phone keeps taking pictures inside my pants pocket. I figured it out when I had 78 pictures that were blank.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 10:37 PM

di butler on February 28, 2010 at 10:30 PM

We are here to help… ;)

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 10:38 PM

di butler on February 28, 2010 at 10:30 PM

The angle of your router and wifi card antennas(assuming both devices have external ones) matters. I have three wireless routers in my home network. I can control transmission power. You really should log into your router and take a gander at the settings and logs.

There are tons of good how-to’s on youtube

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:40 PM

There are tons of good how-to’s on youtube

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Maybe one of us upstanding gentleman could help?

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 10:45 PM

I can walk you through it on the phone unless, it’s really complicated…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 10:46 PM

I’ve done it 3 times?

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:52 PM

I’ve done it 3 times?

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Clicked your heels and said “there’s no place like home” ?

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Clicked your heels and said “there’s no place like home” ?

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:03 PM

HAHA! At first read I thought you were offering tech help to me…second read remedied that!

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Hey, it’s all good…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Hey, it’s all good…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Great, can you come by and set up a wireless print server? :P

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM

Great, can you come by and set up a wireless print server? :P

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM

Sure, what state do you call home?

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Sure, what state do you call home?

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM

I’m in MO. I have a three wireless router network and have a really nice laser printer for docs, and a great canon printer for images. Currently the printers are hooked up to a pc on a home workgroup(6 PC’S). I can’t stand that printer availability is limited to that PC being on, that is why I wanted to do the wireless print server(WPS). To complicate the network, I have two machines running Ubuntu, two running XP, and two running W7. I spent three solid hours trying to get a wireless print server to show up on the network. Logged into the print server, the WPS told me it was on the wireless network. However I could not ‘see’ the WPS via any of my pcs… The tech guy at Microcenter told me to give up.

meh~!

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM

3 different systems, hmmm… you enjoy a challenge. wifi ‘might’ need a dedicated pc being on, hmmm. You owe me a beer for this nut being cracked…Let me think on this and get back to you.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM

What Wireless print server are you running?

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Actually, you might want to call Leo LaPorte about this unless, the printer is in your neighbors house…LOL

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Just because I left my door unlocked this afternoon doesn’t mean you are allowed to help yourself to my fridge.

crosspatch on February 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM

Just because I left my door unlocked this afternoon doesn’t mean you are allowed to help yourself to my fridge.

crosspatch on February 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM

Got more beer in mine, I bet…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Well truth be told, I have a netbook and I live over a fedex/kinkos…but there is a beer store nextdoor!

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Well truth be told, I have a netbook and I live over a fedex/kinkos…but there is a beer store nextdoor!

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Love the distance for a beer-run… LOL

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:47 PM

I shouldn’t laugh at my own jokes…LOL~!

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Well truth be told, I have a netbook and I live over a fedex/kinkos…but there is a beer store nextdoor!

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Maybe Leo L. could help you network through Fedex…

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:49 PM

G’nite

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 11:55 PM

And if you poach someone else’s Internet access for 18 months, don’t whine when it disappears or call into tech shows to try to get it back

OK my husband and I both work in telecom and we have worked on DSL or other internet accesses. I read this story to him with the comment “thank goodness our customer’s are not THIS dumb” and he said “I’ve taken 3 calls like that in the last 5 years!” He has actually had people call and say “I can’t get on your network today only to find out that the caller is NOT HIS CUSTOMER and once that was determined he found out that the callers were indeed poaching!

LL

Lady Logician on February 28, 2010 at 11:59 PM

I’ve gotta chime in here. For those “Robin Hoods” in the crowd here explaining that they are okay with sharing their wi-fi access, it is not YOURS to share. YOU paid for YOUR service and the ISP is providing a service to YOU to use. Others mooching on that service are stealing whether YOU’RE alright with it or not.

To try and rationalize otherwise would be like saying it’s okay to pay to get into a movie theater and then going to the exit door and allowing others in to see the flick. You paid for the ticket but more eyeballs are enjoying the movie only because you provided a path for them to see it without paying for it.

By the way, I love analogies.

jthibod on March 1, 2010 at 12:23 AM

I wonder exactly what would happen if someone that was poaching a connection got served up a nice virus from the poachee?

Seems like if you steal roach spray and kill yourself with it, the only criminal charges that can be filed are against the thief.

Freddy on March 1, 2010 at 12:28 AM

So, if my neighbor waters his lawn and some of his water happens to land on my lawn, thus watering my lawn for “free”, do I owe him money? Am I “stealing” water from the water company? If my neighbor leaves his window open and I can see and hear his television and he happens to be watching a pay-per-view movie, am I stealing his cable access?

If all my neighbors leave their WAP’s open and use the default out of the box setting, how can I tell which of my neighbors I am using? And how can I tell the difference between the ones that are stupid and the ones that are socialists and want me to use it?

Fed45 on March 1, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Leo’s quite the Bay Area lefty, but more genial than most. His TWiT Network shows take up a big chunk of my waking podcast hours.

sulla on March 1, 2010 at 1:54 AM

Fed45 on March 1, 2010 at 12:36 AM

A neighbor watering your lawn and you using a neighbor’s WLAN are two separate things.

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:25 AM

daesleeper on February 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Lucky….

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:26 AM

It’s like having sex with strangers and not using a condom; you’ll only get lucky for so long before getting a disease.

Ed… er, what’s a devout Catholic like you know about condom use? More importantly, sex with strangers?

lionheart on March 1, 2010 at 7:06 AM

Rightwingguy on February 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Ya, our policy allows three replacements in an 18 month period. I went through 3 blackberry 8800′s because dirt would get in the keyboard and the keys wouldn’t work. They were under warranty each time but, the company kept using my assurance plan instead. I finally gave up and got an unlocked Iphone.

boomer on March 1, 2010 at 8:42 AM

I take the position that if someone sets up an unencrypted WAP, which broadcasts its SSID and provides a DHCP lease to any equipment that connects to it, he’s offering that service to whomever chooses to use it. There are people who know they are doing this, and deliberately choose to provide the service.

(I encrypt my wireless traffic.)

The Monster on March 1, 2010 at 9:55 AM

If Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, Wi-Fi is surely not far behind…

mperek on March 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM

As for her final defense, that the price of broadband Internet access drove her to poaching, it’s a great example of the entitlement mentality in current vogue — and her “someone should make it cheaper” demand is the impulse that drives statism.

Careful, Ed. This is also what drives innovation. “I can do this cheaper” is the next logical step from the above, in the right environment. Not that this is where she was going, but you should be careful about condemning full-throat this thought process.

And, frankly, given the government-sponsored monopolies granted to a lot of the broadband providers, that are only in the last few years being opened up, her overall gripe isn’t entirely unfair. It still takes some dickering with the providers to bring their rates down, but the competition coming into a lot of the neighborhoods is finally starting to pay off, after decades of artificially inflated prices.

I don’t disagree with your overall point, but let’s not get too flamed about it.

nukemhill on March 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM

I would be interested in seeing the correlation between people who bend over backwards to rationalize stealing the bandwidth of their neighbors and the instances of people who think ripping CDs and distributing the MP3s is no big deal.

The “he should have known better than to allow a thief access to his stuff” rationalization holds no water. I learned that in kindergarten.

JohnTant on March 1, 2010 at 1:51 PM

I had a friend of mine look at her laptop because she was poaching, and the guy moved away.

She was sooo despondent.

Mazztek on March 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM

My stupid phone keeps taking pictures inside my pants pocket. I figured it out when I had 78 pictures that were blank.

Jeff2161 on February 28, 2010 at 10:37 PM

It’s not your phone.

leftnomore on March 1, 2010 at 3:43 PM

My cell phone company offers “assurance”. It covers you if you immerse your phone. I think it’s 6 or 7 bucks a month.

boomer on February 28, 2010 at 10:21 PM

AT&T won’t sell insurance in IPhones. Applecare lengthens the “warranty” on them, but what they cover is pretty limited. Scratched or cracked screens are NOT covered, but a screen with a bad pixel is covered. Like others have said, there are moisture sensors (3, I think) that are really sensitive. I have a 3GS, but if it goes bad and they don’t cover it, I’ll never buy another one. Mine has been in a “naked case” – a clear plastic case since day one. 8 months and still going strong, although the battery life is pretty bad.

darwin-t on March 1, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Our Wi-Fi is unsecured, so poach away. It doesn’t cost anymore, either.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I’m going to have to figure something else out, however, in a month or so when they take their Wifi with them.

I hope that this idea of using your phone actually works. I don’t get that great of reception now. I’m picturing nightmares on the internet.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Others mooching on that service are stealing whether YOU’RE alright with it or not.

To try and rationalize otherwise would be like saying it’s okay to pay to get into a movie theater and then going to the exit door and allowing others in to see the flick. You paid for the ticket but more eyeballs are enjoying the movie only because you provided a path for them to see it without paying for it.

By the way, I love analogies.

jthibod on March 1, 2010 at 12:23 AM

Me too, but that’s a horrible one. If I buy my Internet and link my computers wirelessly, I’m allowed to have as many computers on my network as I want.

If I buy a ticket to a movie, I’m only buying a ticket for me. A close analogy would be renting a movie, as I can lend it to whomever I choose, and Blockbuster won’t see an extra dime, no matter how many people see the movie I paid for.

And no one is stealing anything. That implies that they are taking something from someone and removing it from their ability to use it.

This is at the heart of why music/movie downloaders don’t view their activities as a crime. They’re not making it so that no one else can listen to that particular CD. If anything, they’re making it so that one CD can cover more people.

If stealing from a bank, meant not just theft of the money but a reproduction of it at no loss to the bank, I imagine more people would do it.

I’m not trying to justify it. I’m just explaining the mentality behind it.

And I will say that I believe we all benefit from this. Like it or not, music companies have been forced to provide a better product and include things in CD purchases that they hadn’t previously included, like T-shirts or concert tickets, things that can’t be downloaded, and it’s a better value for everyone around.

I’m very much in favor of bands who post their music for free online, knowing it’s incredibly cheap advertising.

Esthier on March 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Why in the world would you care if it’s not costing you more?

Jeesh*

That’s a bit odd to me.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Why in the world would you care if it’s not costing you more?

Jeesh*

That’s a bit odd to me.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Well, it can slow you down. And if you use the Internet for more than email or sites like Hot Air, that might actually matter to you, especially if people are using your Internet to download gigs and gigs of porn.

Esthier on March 1, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Meh. I think people should encrypt for safety if for nothing else. Remember, it’s illegal to use someone else’s network for illegal activity, but the authorities are going to come looking at your IP address. In the end, you’ll get cleared, but why mess with that headache? Why deal with the dude’s defense saying “He left his network unsecured, our client just thought it was a free hotspot (or whatever).” Why deal with the hassle of handing your HD to the police so they can analyze it and keep it as evidence?

You may not care that someone might have viewed some Youtube videos on your WLAN,but you have to remember you have to proactively defend yourself.

Also, if you are using an unprotected network then you are potentially setting yourself up. How do you know it’s a legitimate wireless router? It could be logging your personal data and that could then be used to steal your identity. It’s a scary place out there, folks. Be careful.

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Remember, it’s illegal to use someone else’s network for illegal activity,

I think I win the Captain Obvious award for today.

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Agreed. If you want to share, then at least know who you’re sharing with and give them a password so that only people you know and trust are able to access your Internet.

Esthier on March 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM

darwin-t on March 1, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Really? Have you tried the old “let it die then recharge it all the way before using it” trick?

Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:44 PM

*golf clap*

;-)

Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Well, it can slow you down. And if you use the Internet for more than email or sites like Hot Air, that might actually matter to you, especially if people are using your Internet to download gigs and gigs of porn.

Esthier on March 1, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Oh, that sort of maybe makes sense, in a tidbit sort of way.

I suppose if someone downloads a lot, it’s a big deal.

I encrypted when I lived in a congested area. But I really could care less if someone taps in for the most part.

I think it should be open.

I figure I pay for the convenience of knowing that there is ALWAYS a connection.

But if someone wants to live off of finding free Wi-Fi?

Fine with me.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Meh. I think people should encrypt for safety if for nothing else. Remember, it’s illegal to use someone else’s network for illegal activity, but the authorities are going to come looking at your IP address. In the end, you’ll get cleared, but why mess with that headache? Why deal with the dude’s defense saying “He left his network unsecured, our client just thought it was a free hotspot (or whatever).” Why deal with the hassle of handing your HD to the police so they can analyze it and keep it as evidence?

I just can’t live with that kind of thinking.

It’s way too paranoid for me. I DO know that tons of people feel that way.

I just can’t stand the “fear” factor.

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Agreed. If you want to share, then at least know who you’re sharing with and give them a password so that only people you know and trust are able to access your Internet.

Esthier on March 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Why?

If I pay for it and it’s unlimited, what’s the big deal?

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Also, Im starting a Tautology Club. Anyone wanna join?

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:51 PM

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Well, I understand the aversion to “paranoia”. My point is that just like I wouldn’t walk through Chicago’s South Side at 3 a.m., I won’t keep my network unencrypted. To me that’s not paranoia, more like safe practices.

Rightwingguy on March 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM

People who pay for their internet usage are leasing the IP addresses from their internet service providers. Taking access from those addresses without authorization is stealing and is likely a felony. Willingly providing free wireless access without ISP authorization may get you in trouble, too.

Sustenance for contemplation.

CO2 Producer on March 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM

AnninCA on March 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Personally, I only care to make sure my computers are protected and I’m able to use the Internet for anything I want, including online games, which often need to be as fast as possible.

I’d share with anyone who asked, but if I were forced to buy more expensive Internet in order to continue playing poker or Bioshock 2, then I’d kick them off.

Esthier on March 1, 2010 at 5:57 PM

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