NYT getting pessimistic about reconciliation
posted at 10:41 am on February 28, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
While Democrats insist that they can push ObamaCare through Congress using reconciliation, their media allies seem unconvinced. The New York Times offers a rather glum view of the chances of getting either the Senate or the House to pass the bills necessary to make the strategy work. Without the Stupak language to give them cover on the abortion issue, dozens of Ayes on the original bill will turn to Nays, and the rapidly-approaching midterms may convince even more to jump ship:
Under the Democrats’ tentative plans, the House would pass the health care bill approved in December by the Senate, and both chambers would approve a separate package of changes using a parliamentary device known as budget reconciliation.
The tactic is intended to avoid a Republican filibuster, but in the Senate, the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, faces challenges if he tries to use it. He is having trouble persuading a majority of his caucus to go along.
In the House, lawmakers like Mr. Kratovil, Mr. Cardoza and other swing Democrats will come under increasing scrutiny from leadership as a vote draws near. Of the 219 Democrats who initially voted in favor of the House measure, roughly 40 did so in part because it contained the so-called Stupak amendment, intended to discourage insurers from covering abortion.
Some, notably Representative Bart Stupak, the Michigan Democrat for whom the amendment is named, will almost certainly switch their yes votes to no because the new version being pushed by Mr. Obama would strip out the House bill’s abortion restrictions in favor of Senate language that many of them consider unacceptable.
An additional 39, like Mr. Kratovil, are fiscal conservatives who voted no the first time around. Ms. Pelosi is hoping that she can get some to switch those no votes to yes in favor of Mr. Obama’s less expensive measure.
But persuading Democrats who are already on record as opposing a health overhaul to do a turnabout will not be an easy task, especially during a midterm election year in which Democrats’ political prospects already look bleak. Of the 39 Democrats who voted against the House measure, 31, including Mr. Kratovil, represent districts that were won in 2008 by Senator John McCain of Arizona, Mr. Obama’s Republican rival. Fourteen, including Mr. Kratovil, are freshmen, who are generally considered more politically vulnerable than more senior lawmakers.
The first House version passed by five votes, but that included some stage management by Nancy Pelosi to give a few Democrats the opportunity to vote no to save their political skins. That, however, was almost four months ago, when the midterms were a full year away. Now, some of these Democrats have to start planning primary campaigns in traditionally center-right districts.
How many votes did Pelosi really have as a buffer on that vote? No one is quite sure, but two things are certain. She doesn’t have nearly as many this time around, and those Representatives that got to vote no the first time to save their skins won’t vote yes this time around. If they reverse themselves now while the bill becomes even less popular with voters, they may as well skip the re-election campaigns and sell their Beltway condos now.
As for the kamikaze strategy, the Times makes a short but trenchant point:
But politicians do not want to be martyrs. They want to hold onto their seats.
Pelosi has another problem in pushing the House end of the bargain. If the House passes the Senate version, all it takes to become law is Obama’s signature — and that means no public option, a tax on union health-care plans, and no surcharge on the rich. Progressives in the House have to trust that the Senate will actually pass a reconciliation package fixing all the problems in their current version to the satisfaction of the House progressive caucus. They won’t pass the Senate version without it, even if all of the above conditions get met.
Can Harry Reid pass a reconciliation bill? Probably not, although it’s not impossible. Democrats up for re-election this year will have great reluctance in enabling such a strategy to pass such an unpopular bill. Also, Republicans plan to offer an infinite number of amendments — which reconciliation allows them to do — to create a filibuster by other means. The more this becomes clear, the less likely the House will ever pass the Senate bill at all.
As the midterms approach, the electoral pressure will force many Democrats into obstructing reconciliation. If Reid and Pelosi can’t get it done in the next couple of weeks, it probably won’t happen.
Update: No sooner do I post this than I see that my friend Dafydd ab Hugh wrote a great analysis of the same Times article in the Green Room. Be sure to read it!
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Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.
Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Christie makes John Hunstman look conservative. That’s a scary thought isn’t it?
nobar on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years and that’s not even factoring in Scandalpalooza. CRISTie’s already got his reelection locked up. Why continue to play footsie with Obama like this unless he’s decided privately that he won’t be seeking the Presidency in 2016?
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
I’d tell you to get bent, Chris, but your girth would prevent that, so…
Dopenstrange on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Look’s like muskrat love.
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.
Count on it.
DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Somebody needs to talk this guy into joining the Party of the Democrats . . . and get him out of the Republican Party.
rplat on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
I picture that line being delivered with a tire iron inhand. The old Christe woulda….
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Rubio/Christie – The Demopbulican ticket.
Oil Can on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Loud mouths like Christie who “tell it like it is” usually put their foot in their mouth eventually (which he has done already).
He may as well put a great big D next to his name before the next election.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Who’d of thought Barack is a chubby chaser? Go figure.
madmonkphotog on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Heh. Did you happen to see Drudge’s pic of Christie and Barry,..center of page about halfway down? Looks like The Big Guy is giving a huge reach around to The Leader, who is giggling coyly. Perfect!
a capella on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
So basically he will be campaigning on our dime!
What’s new about that ?
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I’m sure it will be as toxic as Amnesty was for McCain and Romneycare was for Romney.
lol
Don’t you love the GOP electorate?
Fezzik on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Well, The First Lady says he’d make a great President, so
there you have it…he’s The Republican nominee in 2016!!!
Hooray!!!!!!
be back in a bit….have some Vomit to clean up…
ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I see a Chris Christie/Charlie Crist ticket in their future.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
True.
Dang! Did anyone say he’d try to run as a Republican?
*perish the thought*
freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
I see a cage match primary in the future between the Fat Man and Killary. Guess who wins.
BeachBum on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Front page pic: today’s Laurel and Hardy.
Marcola on May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM
I don’t know about that. The Fat Man pretty much already won reelection in one of the most corrupt and backward states in the country. You’ve got to admit Christie is pretty politically savvy — more so than amnesty-pusher Marco Rubio or some of the other clowns.
Punchenko on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Just more media manipulation to pick the next sacrificial goat for us. Oh… yeah.. he could beat Hillary.. PICK HIM… No more letting the same media which hates us, influence who our party picks to run, they are NOT our damned friends.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
He isn’t. He’s a receiver. As long as he closes his eyes and “doesn’t know” one BJ is like any other…….
Like his entire administration.
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a Arlen Spector flip and his running as Hillary’s mate.
I doubt the Republicans are going to find their nominee from the East Coast again this time.
Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Tough call. One is a fat, sweaty, graceless, clueless career backstabber and the other is Christie.
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
savvy at stroking democrats..
republicans who are conservative.. not so much.. He runs as the nominee in 16, I’m voting Conservative party… and I won’t be the only one.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
More accurate
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
oooh, i wonder if they will go out on a date and hold hands and other cute stuff. how sweet!
Sachiko on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Is it me or does Christie look like the Penguin?
Amadeus on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Why does Obama hate Democrat women?
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
It’s not hands. See my 3:40 comment.
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Won’t work. Neither Hillary nor the Rotund One will ever be the 2nd line on a ticket.
Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
That’s because the field of candidates sucked in 2008 and 2012. McCain had no competition other than Huckster and Romney. And 4 years later, Romney had only Newt and Santorum to contend with.
Even if a bunch of conservatives take a pass on 2016, there’s no way our choices will be that limited in 3 years.
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM
Is Governor Christie, a
RINO – Republican In Name Only?
or, a
DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only?
Choices, Choices….
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM
If Christi runs, it’ll be on the media driven narrative, he can win without the GOP base, just moderates and democrat cross overs..
The media which never saw a left wing extremist, ever, anywhere, has waged a decades long fight to smother the conservative base, even though we out number progressives 2 to 1.
Voter suppression isn’t unethical, like so much else, if the media/democrats do it.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Obama has overseen the use of federal agencies to intimidate and harass American citizens. And not jus any agencies: IRS, FBI, and the ATF harassed Catherine Engelbrecht. They sped on a Fox News reporter’s family.
Christie should be ashamed of himself. When does politics end and he starts doing the right thing?
InterestedObserver on May 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM
We have got to light a fire under our conservative leaders.. front benchers this time please..
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Fat, dopey liberal. I will enjoy voting against him more than most.
Jaibones on May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Christie…
Obama probably has taken a shower since meeting with Bruce Springsteen…
Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
…yeah, we know he’s a squish, but he is also the Governor of New Jersey. A guy like Cruz or even Rubio couldn’t get elected dog catcher in that state. Cut the big guy a break, he is undoubtedly better than whatever cookie cutter Dem would be sitting in that chair otherwise.
ndalager on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Christy, from a notoriously corrupt state like Obama’s Illinois, knows how the bread gets buttered. I wish he was a principled man, but he has done some good for Jersey. Let him stay there on the state level as the citizens feel fit via elections.
tom daschle concerned on May 24, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Absolutly right! The designated McCain will lose, whether it’s Christie, Rubio, Crist, Jeb or fill in the blank.
I wish we could some how change that, but the current GOP leadership he hard-wired to another designated McCain, (or Dole if you like).
Alabama Infidel on May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Now serving dog on the Jersey boardwalk.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Aww. Christie really, really wuvs obama…he can be his new body man :) well, if he sheds two more hundred pounds that is… obama likes his body men lean :)
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM
There won’t be any strolling on the beach today.
It’s 50 degrees and raining on and off all day with wind on top of it.
So much for the Big C’s “the shore is open” nonsense along with all that global warming.
jersey taxpayer on May 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Another azzhole
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM
With flowers, chocolates, soft music . . . and KY jelly?
AZCoyote on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?
LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
The DEM VP,AG or SS cabinet position.
He’s going to be Huntsman * 1000(pds). If they can get past the scandals, Christie is going to be the lefts secret 100ton bunker buster.
“See, the current repub wingnut tbillies are so far gone that they even turned on their Conservative Hero Christie.”
Did Christie condemn the IRS, Benghazi response, AP, Rosen…? Has he addressed the scandals? He could do it in a non partisan way. Even Dear Leader managed “outrage”(or at least he used the word).
HA people, Christie is not running for the Repub Presidency. Like Doughboy wrote: He’s got his reelection locked up. This photo op further hurts him if he were to run as an R. And I do believe his French Kissing O ,from last year, would be re-run if he ran. He can’t run as an R and he knows it. He doesn’t want to.
BoxHead1 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
OT: Ryan Lizza (via Twitchy) reporting DOJ sought to keep Rosen in the dark about confiscating his E-mail for an extended period of time.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Christie’s worst enemy in any potential 2016 primary is probably Jon Huntsman, since the goal is to solidify a block of moderates during the early northeastern state primaries, as the lone moderate in the field, and let the other conservative hopefuls knock each other off. That plan falls apart if there are two squishy Republicans in the race splitting that vote, but Christie’s advantage is it’s easier to play that game from New Jersey than it is from Utah, since the media will have no problem trumpeting his in-your-face personality in the primaries (and destroy him for it in the general election, if he actually did win the primary).
jon1979 on May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM
I think the White House is still threatening the victims’ families in Moore to invite Hussein for a campaign sppech when they hold funerals for their loved ones and so far, no invite.
I’m sure he has his speech uploaded to TOTUS, photogs and networks ready to fly on AF-1 on a short notice .
Until then,,,partay..partay…partay…
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Wrong crowd. Dead, white conservatives are a gift for this guy.
Trayvon Martin was definitely worth a “presidential” comment.
Gee…. there’s a pattern here, isn’t there!
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Go to hell Christie. Just change yourself to (D) and get it overwith.
TX-96 on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM
This fat wad needs to sink into the nearest deep part of the ocean. He could feed the sharks for days.
avagreen on May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM
We don’t care now you fat piece of crap, the election is over.
slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
All due respect:
Christie is super fat.
And that is all the respect he is due.
Sherman1864 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Obama is simply coming back to see how Christie’s pregnancy is coming along. I hear Obama is hoping for a son…
William Eaton on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM
They’ll tour the coast right after stopping off at the Registrar’s Office so Chris can drop off his change-of-party registration.
Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM
That’s fine, gotta take some time for photo ops in the midst of all the scandals. That’s what politicians do. Has he ever thought to take a trip back to the Gulf since 140 gallons of oil spilled in it, though?
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM
This was Ann Coultier’s big candidate for President.
“Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!”
flytier on May 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM
ha, make that 140 MILLION gallons
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Time to make the “Obamistie” relationship public.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Democrats in NJ are not worried their candidate will lose, because by 2014 Christie will have switched parties to become a Democrat.
albill on May 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Yes. please roll out the red carpet and Slurpee’s. After all, the President and Democrats in general have done so much for NJ. Which is why there is a Republican governor…whoops.
It’s very revealing how the governor shows his love for Obama when the treasury is dishing out other people’s money to pay for the states disasters. They’ve allowed people to build in those areas and now, strangely, after receiving the big Obama smooch and fist-fulls of our cash, they are rebuilding.
For years, NJ collected taxes from all the affected residents. Did they save any of it for a windy, wet day? Nope.
Christie is only a pragmatic economic denizens when it suits his political needs. We’ve seen what happens when a crisis strikes. The first casualty is financial discipline.
Marcus Traianus on May 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Mitt should have recruited this guy to play a dirty trick or two but nooooooo……
But did he just stay neutral? Nooooo…
The Dems and the media are having a persistently hard time destroying Christianity, capitalism, white people and the Bill of Rights in less than a decade.
They sorely welcome the help of all useful idiots in wrecking the country and relish the fools who embrace their own demise.
But Christe? Maybe there is some natural bond between guys who run corrupt governments, ever think of that?
IlikedAUH2O on May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Whaaa, no invite yet?? Do the local IRS know, and what are they planning to do about it?
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Clash of Titans:
Snooki Ambushes Chris Christie at Jersey Shore
:)
INC on May 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM
The mayor of Tampa at the time, a dem, wouldn’t even go to the airport to greet President Bush so there must be some outs for state officials if they don’t want to meet an greet. CC wants to for political reasons which makes him just as bad as the rest of the crowd in DC. He goes along to get along.
Kissmygrits on May 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM