Breaking: Massive Chilean quake triggers Pacific tsunami warnings

posted at 9:11 am on February 27, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Chile suffered an extremely strong earthquake earlier today, hitting 8.8 on the Richter scale.  Damage is thus far unknown, but what is known is that a tsunami has been triggered.  Hawaiians are warned to retreat to the interior of their islands, and Australia is on alert:

People in Hawaii were urgently told to protect lives and property from a tsunami crossing the Pacific as fast as a jetliner after a devastating earthquake in Chile.

Tsunami waves were likely to hit Asian, Australian and New Zealand shores within 24 hours of the earthquake, which struck early Saturday on Chile’s coast.

Though notoriously hard to predict, the tsunami was not expected to be as devastating as the waves generated after a magnitude-9.5 earthquake hit Chile in 1960. Most countries, awaiting further data, did not order evacuations Saturday but instead advised people in low-lying areas to watch for further updates.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii advised that a tsunami was possible in the northern Pacific, including the U.S. West Coast and Alaska.

I lived in California for more than 30 years, and I don’t ever recall a tsunami warning.  Obviously, this is a rare situation.  The 1960 tsunami killed 61 people in Hawaii and 140 in Japan, but its height was somewhere between three and thirteen feet.  This tsunami is estimated to be considerably smaller — but still dangerous.

In Chile, at least 76 people are reported dead, and MS-NBC has the video showing the extensive damage. That number will unfortunately rise as rescuers begin digging through the rubble. It won’t reach the kind of massive death as we have seen in Haiti despite being a stronger quake, thanks to stronger building codes, but it will almost certainly go into the hundreds. Chile needs our prayers — and let’s hope that the island nations remain safe.

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I await the fanatics claiming AGW is responsible. In the meantime, I hope we can help in anyway possible.

darwin on February 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM

I texted my friends in Hawaii to give them the heads up. Fox newe said their tsunami sirens will sound at six am hi time

karenhasfreedom on February 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Wow,Hawii and Australia alerts,isn’t that like,
4,000 miles away!!

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:18 AM

They just had a 6.6 aftershock.

Prayers!

UnderstandingisPower on February 27, 2010 at 9:20 AM

People in Hawaii were urgently told to protect lives and property from a tsunami crossing the Pacific as fast as a jetliner after a devastating earthquake in Chile.

Wow. I pray for all of those in the path of this thing and for the folks in Chile.

ted c on February 27, 2010 at 9:20 AM

I remember being in Hawai’i when the 1964 Alaska earthquake hit. We had a tsunami party but no waves hit. But that was 4 years after a tsunami hit Hilo, so nobody was taking any chances.

Tsunami Advisory for the entire California coast now too.

Del Dolemonte on February 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Prayers ascending for all involved.

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Yep, 4000 miles away. The quake from 1961 in Chile was the strongest ever recorded (9.5 magnitude)

Ropera on February 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Fortunately, Chile is well prepared for such events. Help for the victims should be rapid. Hopefully no major aftershocks.

OldEnglish on February 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM

I wonder if Joy Behar and Danny Glover will blame this quake on climate change as well?

Hellrider on February 27, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre
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http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/

Navy News Twitter
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http://twitter.com/NavyNews

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Hellrider;

Nope, they’ll blame Bush first, and then tie the story line into the need for ObamaCare…

Keemo on February 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Joint Australian Tsunami Warning Centre
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http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Prayers for all in the earthquake zone and those who may suffer from the possible tsunami.

Head for the hills Hawaii!

conservnut on February 27, 2010 at 9:28 AM

I know we`ll do all we can to help.

Mr. Chavez, when you manage to get your lights light, feel free to pitch in. :)

ThePrez on February 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Oh dear Lord not another one. Thank God the lives lost won’t be of Haiti magnitude.

As for our fellow citizens in Hawaii – stay safe and here’s hoping it’s just a warning and all they get is good surfing waves.

gophergirl on February 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Subduction zones are a b!tch.

*Prayers to those people*

Badger40 on February 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM

WOW-Japan!
==============================
Magnitude 6.9 earthquake shakes southern Japan, tsunami warning issued

http://www.todayonline.com/BreakingNews/EDC100227-0000136/Magnitude-6,9-earthquake-shakes-southern-Japan,-tsunami-warning-issued

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Thanks for that, canopfor. Apparently, we should expect only rough waves and some strong currents in Australia – for about three hours after first strike.

OldEnglish on February 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

[UnderstandingisPower on February 27, 2010 at 9:20 AM]

They’ve had a lot of 5+ aftershocks.

Dusty on February 27, 2010 at 9:39 AM

The building codes are better in chile and their government is more competent thn Haiti. A person who rode out this quake was just on the phone on foxnews and said it was a three minute quake

karenhasfreedom on February 27, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Time to check out that big volcano down near there. Rollover the smaller camera blocks to see the smoke pouring out.

Joan of Argghh on February 27, 2010 at 9:40 AM

I hope the tsunami doesn’t get Obama’s birth records.

flyfisher on February 27, 2010 at 9:41 AM

In all seriousness, I am praying for the victims.

flyfisher on February 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Tsunami Advisory for the entire California coast now too.

[Del Dolemonte on February 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM]

Not according the the latest Pacific advisory.

Dusty on February 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM

This would never have happened if we’d ratified Kyoto. I therefore blame Clinton.

Sharke on February 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Thanks for that, canopfor. Apparently, we should expect only rough waves and some strong currents in Australia – for about three hours after first strike.

OldEnglish on February 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

OldEglish: Your welcome,what the h*ll is going on,
it seems,there coming left,right and centre!!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Bush did it with Cheney’s earthquake machine. They did a test run in Haiti, cuz like Kanye said, “Bush hates black people”. Sarc/off………….

adamsmith on February 27, 2010 at 9:44 AM

I am in awe of the amazing abilities we have to warn people of impending danger. Modern building standards for earth quake prone areas have also been a life saver in this instance. Thank God for the vision given to the people who develop these gifts. It’s times like this that future seems very bright. Many prayers to those who are suffering, to them “it could have been worse” is not comforting and I pray that God embraces you in your sorrow.

Cindy Munford on February 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

I lived in California for more than 30 years, and I don’t ever recall a tsunami warning. Obviously, this is a rare situation.

Ed, You just lived too far south to remember this:

California Tsunami Victims Recall 1964′s Killer Waves

I’ve found photos of a car lot empty—well, all the cars were about 200 yards away.

Of course, you SoCal boys usually think NorCal ends somewhere around Santa Rosa. :)

Rov
Eureka, Ca.

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 9:47 AM

I lived in California for more than 30 years, and I don’t ever recall a tsunami warning. Obviously, this is a rare situation.

Correction: You’re right Ed, there was no warning back then.

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 9:49 AM

What’s really interesting [sorta] is that this follows fast on the heels of that quake off of Okinawa [6.9].

Concerning the ‘Ring of Fire’: quakes there usually occur in ‘pairs’, i.e. a strong quake on one side presages a second quake on the opposite side of the ‘ring’.

But I can’t recall a ‘pair’ occurring this quickly [usually you're talking about an interval of about 1-2 weeks], not under 48 hrs.

Curious indeed.

NTL, prayers for Chile. And kudos for them being serious about their building codes (although they have a history that demands it), unlike other ‘nations’.

CPT. Charles on February 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Our local tsunami warning should have hit here about 15 minutes ago (PST) up here in Eureka. I’m two miles from the ocean and up a hill 400ft higher than sea level….nothing reported so far….but bluuuuurrrrble bubbbblllee….

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 9:55 AM

I await the fanatics claiming AGW is responsible. In the meantime, I hope we can help in anyway possible.
darwin on February 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Of course they will. And then they’ll add that Gaia is telling us to pass ObamaCare, or else!

ya2daup on February 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

First Haiti (when aiming at Cuba), now Chile (when aiming at Venezuela). Dick Cheney had better improve the aim on his earthquake generator. Hugo Chavez will not be amused (which means Oliver Stone, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Harry Belafonte, and, of course, Obama won’t be amused).

rmgraha on February 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

I have two very good friends in Hawaii on vacation and I hope and pray they will be okay.

Please bless the HotAir posters from Hawaii.

I am praying for all involved.

yoda on February 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Correction: You’re right Ed, there was no warning back then.

Rovin

The article you linked to says there was:

Bill Parker, who was director of the town’s civil defense department in 1964, said officials had been warned that earthquake-generated waves were headed their way. Such warnings were nothing new. Crescent City had had “a lot of watches and evacuations” for tsunamis, Parker said. “They didn’t develop into anything,” he said.

Still, Parker and others spread the warning.

beachgirlusa on February 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Hugo Chavez will not be amused (which means Oliver Stone, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Harry Belafonte, and, of course, Obama won’t be amused).

A motley crew indeed, huh?

beachgirlusa on February 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM

My sister is in Costa Rica (Pacific Coast) and has headed for the hills. A friend in the same location is building a new marina and has said he’s going to try and video tape (remotely) any waves hitting there.

Here’s hoping everything turns out all right.

FloridaBill on February 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM

A person who rode out this quake was just on the phone on foxnews and said it was a three minute quake

karenhasfreedom on February 27, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Yikes. Three minutes of that must have been terrifying. Will continue to pray for all those affected.

AZCoyote on February 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Isn’t Sean Penn touring the nearby Galapagos islands on an AGW fact-finding mission with Danny Glover, Susan Sarandon, Rosie O’Donnell, Jimmy Carter, and Tim Robbins?

The poor tortoises!

profitsbeard on February 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I wonder how much money we are going to throw away in that hell hole.

Blarg the Destroyer on February 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM

The low lying areas of the well known places (Oz, NZ, Hawaii) may be at risk, but fingers crossed that the low lying coral atolls dodge this potential pair of bullets. THe other places have higher ground to evac to – for a lot of Micronesia, the only option is to get in a boat, and head out to sea far enough that the ‘swell’ is on 2-3 feet, like any other wave, getting away from the places the waves may grow to ‘monster’ height from the water being compressed by the rising sea floor. If this looks moderate to bad in the well known spots, it’s going to be devastating for the less well known areas.

Wind Rider on February 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM

beachgirlusa on February 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Thanks bg…..I stand,(with my waders on), corrected of my correction….:)

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Yikes. Three minutes of that must have been terrifying. Will continue to pray for all those affected.

AZCoyote on February 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

I wasn’t there but I do know suggest stressful events seem longer than they really are. Ever have to wait on a fire engine?

CWforFreedom on February 27, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Horrible news. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Chile.

simkeith on February 27, 2010 at 10:34 AM

I wonder how much money we are going to throw away in that hell hole.

Blarg the Destroyer on February 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Methinks your ignorant self has never breathed the air in Chile, much less be qualified to call it a “hell hole”.
Chile is a tremendously civilized and modern country…

CapitalistPig on February 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Aaaaand let the leading help from the evil USA begin…

bernzright777 on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Lots of adjustment going on. The quake in Haiti can be looked at as the most recent trigger, in a simplistic way.

Large quakes do not shed all the stored up stress to the surface. Some is transferred to other systems. Also in large quakes that displace the surface (Haiti as a strike-slip/longitudinal movement, and Chili as a vertical displacement over a subduction zone) requires that the semi-plastic mantle, underneath the displaced crust, must undergo some long-period adjustment. That requires/results in transfer of stress to other systems. If those systems are near maximum stored stress then they are moved to rupture, or move closer to their next rupture.

A large quake like the one that just occurred in Chili is called a “bell ringer”. The energy release is so massive that the earth “rings like a bell” at the seismic detection level as the waves bounce around inside. Most of the energy is dissipated in an upward movement of the surface in the block overlying the subduction zone. But, some stress went somewhere else.

Since the Haitian quake there has been a lot of adjustment occurring. Unfortunately the predictive efforts relating to earthquakes isn’t there yet. So it’s very difficult to predict where the transferred stress has moved another system an additional notch toward failure.

My concerns, and what I have been watching? The Juan de Fuca plate and the subduction zone west of Seattle; long overdue. San Francisco and the locked portion of the San Andreas fault. Also long overdue.

The San Fran will be strike-slip movement and devastating. The Juan de Fuca plate failure will be a massive vertical movement with devastating results, but the sunami will be even much more damaging.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Very informative, thanks Yoop!

bernzright777 on February 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Update:

This “bell ringer” has 5.0 aftershocks rolling in one after another, according to USGS. The USGS fully expects the really large aftershock is has yet to occur.

One location in Chili has been hit by a 7 foot sunami.

Lots to happen yet.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Fox News really drop the ball this morning. They were, until recently, playing their usual Saturday morning finance shows.

Come on Fox, you should know better!!!

Lance Murdock on February 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM

The San Fran will be strike-slip movement and devastating. The Juan de Fuca plate failure will be a massive vertical movement with devastating results, but the sunami will be even much more damaging.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Yoop:Thanks for the read,you sound educated in that field!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Aaaaand let the leading help from the evil USA begin…

bernzright777 on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Don’t worry, I’m sure Danny Glover will get on the radio and blame Bush, and America for this global warming phenomenon.

/snark

Lance Murdock on February 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Come on Fox, you should know better!!!

Lance Murdock on February 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Well at least they bringing in the weatherman to discuss this “weather event”.

thomasaur on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

s/b they’re

thomasaur on February 27, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Blarg-

except that it is not a hell hole.

http://www.3dthree.org/pdf_3D/CESCR_CompilationChile-Ecuador.pdf

http://www.enforex.com/photo-chile.html

CWforFreedom on February 27, 2010 at 10:49 AM

It won’t reach the kind of massive death as we have seen in Haiti despite being a stronger quake, thanks to stronger building codes…

It’s more than that. Chileans have economic and personal freedoms that Haitians don’t. Chile can afford stronger buildings because its people don’t live under the same type of corrupt, statist government that Haitians do.

The consequences of these two disasters provide a stark contrast and an illustration of the real life and death differences between liberty and oppression.

Economic Freedom – Chile: 77.2, Rank 10 Haiti: 50.8, Rank 141

Freedom House – Chile: Free Haiti: Partly Free

RadClown on February 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Yikes: add a ‘t’ to that sunami… doh! MORE COFFEE… NOW!

BTW, the Juan de Fuca plate is immediately off the west coast of Washington and Oregon and is a wedge shaped plate that is subducting underneath the North American plate. It has been pulling the edge of the NAP downward for sometime, like slowly loading a spring. When it fails, and the edge of the NAP springs back upwards the energy release will be beyond belief. The tsunami will be ashore so quickly after the initial primary and secondary quake waves hit Vancouver and Seattle that there is little time to get out a useful tsunami warning.

I fear for the stress transfer that is running around the Pacific basin right now.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM

thomasaur on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

MSDNC brought the Weather Channel gang in to explain the magnitude of earthquakes. Yes, that makes a lot of sense!

Lance Murdock on February 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Well at least they bringing in the weatherman to discuss this “weather event”.

thomasaur on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Actually thomas, we get more up-to-date and instant info straight from our weather-site links, than even the NOAA or any other gov-site. For instance, this warning comes right off my weather link

ACTIVE WEATHER ALERT… CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFO

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Yoop:Thanks for the read,you sound educated in that field!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Fifty years as a geologist, prior to retirement. Some of those particular brain cells are still firing, IF it’s still early enough in the morning, AND if there is enough coffee involved. ;-)

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM

I’ll pray for all those involved.

JKahn913 on February 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM

I fear for the stress transfer that is running around the Pacific basin right now.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Yoop, good info, you want to talk about “stress”. Every day I drive down to the bottom in the hill, (to sea level), there’s a sign posted that says, “Now Entering Tsunami Zone”. Of course, on the way home the other side of the sign says, “Now Leaving Tsunami Zone”

Talk about mood swings!

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Thnx for the links. Any way you look at it surf’s up in So. Cal. later today and the moon’s full, so tonight should be good surfin’

thomasaur on February 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM

MSDNC brought the Weather Channel gang in to explain the magnitude of earthquakes. Yes, that makes a lot of sense!

Lance Murdock on February 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Most networks don’t have a seismologist on the payroll, and on standby. So they go to the guy with the maps and a knowledge of geography closest at hand, the weatherman.

Believe me, right now every seismologist worth his/her salt have a nose glued to their instruments. There is a lot to be learned right now.

Most, like Fox has being doing, will go to talking heads from the USGS as they can make hookups with them.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM

…there’s a sign posted that says, “Now Entering Tsunami Zone”. Of course, on the way home the other side of the sign says, “Now Leaving Tsunami Zone”

Just wondering, is the sign attached to a buoy so it can automatically recalibrate the tsunami zone?

RedWinged Blackbird on February 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM

I have a niece in the Marshall Islands. Kwaj is really tiny, there really is nowhere to run. I pray they are safe.

thare on February 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Fifty years as a geologist, prior to retirement. Some of those particular brain cells are still firing, IF it’s still early enough in the morning, AND if there is enough coffee involved. ;-)

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Yoop: You rock,excellent!!)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Sharke on February 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM

It’s all that extra weight from the human caused CO2 in the atmosphere pushing down on the plates around subduction zones causing these quakes.

BTW do I really need to add the sarc tag.

chemman on February 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM

BTW do I really need to add the sarc tag.

chemman on February 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM

No ya don’t. We “get” ya.

bernzright777 on February 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM

I don’t know if there is a connection!

Chaiten Volcano and the Surrounding Area

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=42825

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http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 11:21 AM

It’s all that extra weight from the human caused CO2 in the atmosphere pushing down on the plates around subduction zones causing these quakes.

BTW do I really need to add the sarc tag.

chemman on February 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Yes, because the trolls, especially the mission-poster “oakland”, will believe you and agree with the premise.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Manwhile, Algore says that unless we give him money or throw all the virgins in the volcano, we can expect more of this.

MikeA on February 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Chile is being hit with 5.0+ and 6.0+ aftershocks too. And now there’s a 6.3 in Argentina along with the continuing activity off of Japan after the 7.0 yesterday. A lot of rumbling going on, but that area of Japan is one ofthe most active in the world. If you want to get an idea of exactly how many quakes occur, check out the USGS site list and map, and those are just the 5.0 or greater for the last week…
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php

Deanna on February 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Blarg the Destroyer on February 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM

The only worse thing that being a fool is opening your mouth and letting the world know you are a fool.

chemman on February 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Tragedies like this could have been averted if only we had stronger, more effective gun control laws to keep weapons out of the hands of the crazies.

Oh, wait, wrong tragedy. [playbook page flip, page flip, page flip, ah, this is it]
This kind of thing wouldn’t happen if only people wouldn’t look down on those who look different than them.

Nope, try this again. [playbook page flip, page flip, page flip, found it!]

If only our selfish culture had ratified Kyoto, this might have been prevented. AGW is responsible for the greater frequency of these natural disasters we have been seeing lately and the US is responsible for 99.5% of all greenhouse gases while only having 0.05% of the world’s population.

/thus endeth the reading from the liberal playbook.

In all seriousness, thoughts and prayers for those affected by this disaster and in the path of any of the resulting tsunamis. We just got word from some friends in Hawaii that tsunami is expected to make landfall around 1100 local.

AZfederalist on February 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM

28th aftershock, magnitude 5.2, in Metropolitana region of #Chile – U.S. Geological Survey

Deanna on February 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Yep. Direct relationships have been touted for sometime.

Active volcanoes, especially those that are associated with subduction zones and are gassy, are thought to be able to respond to the stimulus of a large quake. Energy transferred long distances shakes the magma. Remember, this one was a “bell ringer”. Some of the waves probably quickly transited right through the core. The planet is probably still ringing internally, at the low seismic detection levels.

Envision the gassy pop in a bottle being shaken. The magma in the chamber beneath the vent got a little shake.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 11:33 AM

I have a niece in the Marshall Islands. Kwaj is really tiny, there really is nowhere to run. I pray they are safe.

thare on February 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM

thare:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwajalein_Atoll#Current_use_by_U.S._military

He said the whole of Tonga is on tsunami alert. He estimated the arrival time of …. KWAJALEIN 8.7N 167.7E 0013Z 28 FEB ENIWETOK 11.4N 162.3E 0102Z 28 FEB …
http://www.matangitonga.to/article/…/20100228_tonga_tsunami_warning.shtml

http://www.matangitonga.to/article/tonganews/natural_events/20100228_tonga_tsunami_warning.shtml

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Just wondering, is the sign attached to a buoy so it can automatically recalibrate the tsunami zone?

RedWinged Blackbird on February 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM

lol! Too funny RB. Speaking of “high water marks”, driving south on 101 around Redway,Ca there’s a high water posting almost 100 feet up the hillside above the road. It was placed there after the 64 flood that virtually closed Humboldt county for a month—food and fuel, (and beer), was barged in from SF.

Looking at the high water mark, and then down the canyon, its just unfathamable to imagine the volume of water that flowed through the area. The Eel River that flows thru this spot runs about 30-40 feet wide, and maybe 15 feet in the dead of winter. In this 64 flood, the witdth was close to 3/4′s of a mile and a 100 feet deep in some spots.

Found a few pics here
and here

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM

He said the whole of Tonga is on tsunami alert. He estimated the arrival time of …. KWAJALEIN 8.7N 167.7E 0013Z 28 FEB ENIWETOK 11.4N 162.3E 0102Z 28 FEB …

Holy cow, that’s quite a wait!

bernzright777 on February 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Damn that Global Warming…

Bruno Strozek on February 27, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Sorry bout getting off track here. Hey Yoop, it was reported that this 8.8 quake was a thousand times stronger than Haiti’s 7.0 Living in EQ country, I do understand slightly how the scale goes up dramatically, but is this correct?

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM

I hope loss of life is limited .AZfederalist yeah it must be evil rednecks packing guns .
The truth is that all of the global warming induced snow in the USA created a imbalance in the YING /YANG of global weather .
Here is the real question ..How could Chile experience and earthquake almost 100 times as strong as the one that hit Haiti recently and yet loss of life is low and most buildings are still standing ?
Simple answer is all of are hard earned tax dollars sent to Haiti have been stolen and the buildings in Haiti that we paid to build were built to a standard of a HUT.
Will the Hollywood types rush to do a telethon? I doubt it.
Chile has a vibrant economy while people like Bill Clinton are busy making sure Haiti doesnt move forward so he and his crooked cronies can get rich on the Haitian mineral and oil rights . ask your self why every country around Haiti is moving forward and Haiti is not .
A 8.8 magnitude earth quake is very powerful and rare . we might see more deaths from the tsunamis than the quake

ELMO Q on February 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Envision the gassy pop in a bottle being shaken. The magma in the chamber beneath the vent got a little shake.

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Yoop:I’ve got a question,I remember the one that hit
Indonesia,and it lifted up the floor on the
ocean. A couple in the States said that there
water in their well,was sloshing up and down,
I think,5 feet,and I noticed my tiolet water,
at that time,went up and down,about an inch,I
just checked now,and its around a 1/4 of an inch.

Is it possible!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM

That’s one of those news flashes that just sinks your heart. I’ll say prayers.

scalleywag on February 27, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Found a few pics here and here

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Rovin: That is unbelievable.That was alot of water,
really scary!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Sorry bout getting off track here. Hey Yoop, it was reported that this 8.8 quake was a thousand times stronger than Haiti’s 7.0 Living in EQ country, I do understand slightly how the scale goes up dramatically, but is this correct?

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Rovin: Near the bottom,wow:)
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Richter TNT for Seismic Example
Magnitude Energy Yield (approximate)

-1.5 6 ounces Breaking a rock on a lab table
1.0 30 pounds Large Blast at a Construction Site
1.5 320 pounds
2.0 1 ton Large Quarry or Mine Blast
2.5 4.6 tons
3.0 29 tons
3.5 73 tons
4.0 1,000 tons Small Nuclear Weapon
4.5 5,100 tons Average Tornado (total energy)
5.0 32,000 tons
5.5 80,000 tons Little Skull Mtn., NV Quake, 1992
6.0 1 million tons Double Spring Flat, NV Quake, 1994
6.5 5 million tons Northridge, CA Quake, 1994
7.0 32 million tons Hyogo-Ken Nanbu, Japan Quake, 1995; Largest Thermonuclear Weapon
7.5 160 million tons Landers, CA Quake, 1992
8.0 1 billion tons San Francisco, CA Quake, 1906
8.5 5 billion tons Anchorage, AK Quake, 1964
9.0 32 billion tons Chilean Quake, 1960
10.0 1 trillion tons (San-Andreas type fault circling Earth)
12.0 160 trillion tons (Fault Earth in half through center,
OR Earth’s daily receipt of solar energy)

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http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/magnitude.html

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 12:04 PM

The tsunami could hit Orange County, California tonight, according to the OC Register.

Terrie on February 27, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Oops! I meant to write today, not tonight, as the tsunami is expected to reach California in 3 hours and 3 minutes.

Terrie on February 27, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Looks like in 1960 we had a similar event . Pacific wide Tsunami
http://www.drgeorgepc.com/Tsunami1960.html

ELMO Q on February 27, 2010 at 12:09 PM

I’m at 1800 feet on the Big Island so I aint sweating it. But I was planning to grocery shop in Hilo. Guess I’ll scratch that.

My wife and daughter are on Oahu at low elevation but they are headed for the hills.

All cell phone traffic is down.

TheSitRep on February 27, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Here is a link to a photo of the Tsunami wave in 1960 . Looks like HILO was washed away in 1960 I hope they get those folks to safety ( lets all hope Ray Nagin is not on vacation there and volunteers to assist in the bus evacuations )

http://tsun.sscc.ru/PIC/TTT/TTT_1960.jpg

ELMO Q on February 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM

To put it semi-simple terms, the Richter Scale is logarithmic, rather than linear.

More simply put: the line goes up really fast.

CPT. Charles on February 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Canopfor, the water in your toilet bowl would go up and down depending on the air pressure on either side. The toilet is sort of like a drain trap. I have seen toilet water move on extremely windy days. The wind causes pressure differences between the inside and outside of a building. I can’t see how a seismic event could alter the air pressure in the drain line.

Here’s a little demonstration of how a toilet works (siphon): Take a large (more than two quart) sauce pan and very quickly pour it into the bowl; the toilet will flush without your touching the flush lever.

Yoop is a geologist, I are a mechanical engineer.

Pelayo on February 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Correction for Lance-Fox broke this story immediately. Around 3 a.m. They ran info every 10 min or so until I got bored watching, around 6. Have no clue what went on after that, though.

di butler on February 27, 2010 at 12:19 PM

First Haiti (when aiming at Cuba), now Chile (when aiming at Venezuela). Dick Cheney had better improve the aim on his earthquake generator…

rmgraha on February 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Since Dick Cheney is no longer VP, the earthquake generator is now being operated by Joe Biden, who obviously still hasn’t gotten the hang of it. Rahm Emanuel is having similar problems with the Karl Rove weather machine, which is why this winter has been so cold and snowy.

Bigfoot on February 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Hey Yoop, it was reported that this 8.8 quake was a thousand times stronger than Haiti’s 7.0 Living in EQ country, I do understand slightly how the scale goes up dramatically, but is this correct?

Rovin on February 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM

The measurement scale for earthquakes has been changed, in common usage, from the historic Richter scale to the momentum scale.

So, it depends on which scale they are addressing. So it could be 100 times, or 1,000 times. It doesn’t mean that the damage will be 100 or 1,000 times greater than Haiti. It depends on too many variables: epicenter, depth of focus, etc. The Richter scale is a log scale. The momentum is different.

We are now approaching my limits re seismic calculations, so see the cut-n-pasted remarks below:

(BTW, explains why a 10.0 isn’t possible. Rock cannot store that much energy before failure)

Here’s a bit of an explanation:

“This moment magnitude, Mw, is not based on seismometer readings at all but on the total energy released in a quake, the seismic moment Mo (in dyne-centimeters):

Mw = 2/3 log(Mo) – 10.7

This scale therefore does not saturate. Moment magnitude can match anything the Earth can throw at us. The formula for Mw is such that below magnitude 8 it matches Ms and below magnitude 6 it matches mb, which is close enough to Richter’s old ML. So keep calling it the Richter scale if you like—it’s the scale Richter would have made if he could.

The U.S. Geological Survey’s Henry Spall interviewed Charles Richter in 1980 about “his” scale. It makes lively reading.

PS: Earthquakes on Earth simply can’t get bigger than around Mw = 9.5. A piece of rock can store up only so much strain energy before it ruptures, so the size of a quake depends strictly on how much rock—how many kilometers of fault length—can rupture at once. The Chile Trench, where the 1960 quake occurred, is the longest straight fault in the world. The only way to get more energy is with giant landslides or asteroid impacts.”

Yoop on February 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM

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