Are Democrats choosing to run off a cliff with ObamaCare?

posted at 9:55 am on February 27, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Republicans have reacted with understandable glee to the Democratic insistence on extending the debate on ObamaCare.  After all, we are coming up on eight months since the Democrats first introduced this bill and attempted to rush it through Congress.  In that time, their polling has plunged, grassroots reaction has exploded, and a popular new President has seen his standing rapidly fall with voters.  The midterms look like a disaster already, and a last-ditch effort by Democrats to use parliamentary tricks to pass a broadly unpopular bill will only make that worse.

Are Democrats acting irrationally, refusing to see the cliff in front of them?  Andy McCarthy says no — and that Republicans need to understand that:

I hear Republicans getting giddy over the fact that “reconciliation,” if it comes to that, is a huge political loser. That’s the wrong way to look at it. The Democratic leadership has already internalized the inevitablility of taking its political lumps. That makes reconciliation truly scary. Since the Dems know they will have to ram this monstrosity through, they figure it might as well be as monstrous as they can get wavering Democrats to go along with. Clipping the leadership’s statist ambitions in order to peel off a few Republicans is not going to work. I’m glad Republicans have held firm, but let’s not be under any illusions about what that means. In the Democrat leadership, we are not dealing with conventional politicians for whom the goal of being reelected is paramount and will rein in their radicalism. They want socialized medicine and all it entails about government control even more than they want to win elections. After all, if the party of government transforms the relationship between the citizen and the state, its power over our lives will be vast even in those cycles when it is not in the majority. This is about power, and there is more to power than winning elections, especially if you’ve calculated that your opposition does not have the gumption to dismantle your ballooning welfare state.

Consequently, the next six weeks, like the next ten months, are going to be worse than we think. We’re wired to think that everyone plays by the ususal rules of politics — i.e., if the tide starts to change, the side against whom it has turned modifies its positions in order to stay viable in the next election. But what will happen here will be the opposite. You have a party with the numbers to do anything it puts its mind to, led by movement Leftitsts who see their window of opportunity is closing. We seem to expect them to moderate because that’s what everybody in their position does. But they won’t. They will put their heads down and go for as much transformation as they can get, figuring that once they get it, it will never be rolled back. The only question is whether there are enough Democrats who are conventional politicians and who care about being reelected, such that they will deny the leadership the numbers it needs. But I don’t think we should take much heart in this possibility. Those Democrats may well come to think they are going to lose anyway — that’s why so many of them are abandoning ship now. If that’s the case, their incentive will be to vote with the leadership.

Andy has a point.  The American political system has remained stable mainly because its political parties have remained rational over our history.  That rationality has been mainly based on the accepted principle that there isn’t more to power in our system than winning elections, which can create short-sighted leadership at times, but also discourages sweeping  changes to the country by a party on a political suicide mission.  A party with a leadership of zealots, though, could choose to use a two-year session of Congress to fundamentally remake America if it accepted a humiliating loss of power as the necessary trade-off.

However, that would require all of the politicians of that party to follow suit, and that’s where the Democratic leadership has a big problem.  They didn’t gain the majority by elected over 300 cardboard cutouts of Nancy Pelosi as Representatives and Senators.  While Andy is spot-on about Pelosi and her clique being descendants of the New Left radicals of the 1960s (as is Barack Obama), that’s not true for a large portion of their caucus, especially those representing red districts and red states.  Not only is political suicide much more likely for them than it is for Pelosi, Anthony Weiner, Jarrold Nadler, et al, they’re temperamentally different from the leadership clique as well.

That doesn’t mean that they can’t get bulldozed into compliance, but it does make it a more difficult proposition for Pelosi to hold her caucus together.  We’re already seeing signs of it splintering, and as this effort gets closer to the midterm elections, that will increase proportionately.  Blue Dogs are already unhappy with the direction of ObamaCare — and so are progressives, but for diametrically opposed reasons.  The summit may have helped to pull recalcitrant moderates in line, but Democrats got punked at the televised spectacle and have no fig leaf to wear to support a radical mechanism in pushing through a radical bill.

Andy may be right that Democratic leadership has made the decision that political oblivion is an acceptable cost for a one-time remaking of America that Republicans will find difficult to reverse in the next session.  However, I suspect that this strategy doesn’t account for the fact that the people who will actually have to end their careers may not appreciate getting forced into marching off a cliff while the leadership stays safely in their rear-echelon bastions of San Francisco and New York City.

Update: Nick Jacob reminds me on Twitter of what my friend (and new Salem colleague) Dennis Prager told Republicans earlier this month:

Most people on the Left are True Believers. This is critical to understand. They are willing to lose Congress; Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are prepared to lose both houses to get this through. Why? Because losing an election cycle means nothing compared to taking over more of the American economy.

I can give you an example from our side. There are many folks on our side who, if they could pass an amendment against abortion, would happily sacrifice both houses for a period of time. Understand that just as strongly as some are pro-life or religiously Christian or Jewish, that is how strongly many leftists believe in leftism. Leftism is a substitute religion. For the Left, the “health care” bill transcends politics. You are fighting people who will go down with the ship in order to transform this country to a leftist one. And an ever-expanding state is the Left’s central credo.

Prager is certainly correct about all of the points here, but the question will be whether most of their caucuses are willing to follow them — or more accurately, precede them — into political oblivion.


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Harry Reid and Nancy,

star in Thelma and Lousie!!

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Reconciliation destroys the Senate … People need to think this through.

The USA will be one-step away from Venezuela, which I think is exactly what Obama wants as he drives the debt up on purpose.

tarpon on February 27, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Are Democrats choosing to run off a cliff with ObamaCare?

Just remember, it is not the drop that is bad.

It’s that sudden stop at the bottom.

pilamaye on February 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM

To the barricades!

Fallen Sparrow on February 27, 2010 at 10:02 AM

One thing that both Andy and Ed left out was the role of a supposedly “mainstream” and “objective” press that has chosen to advocate for what is radical leftism. Pelosi and Reid aren’t doing this alone.

DaydreamBeliever on February 27, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Harry Reid and Nancy,

star in Thelma and Lousie!!

Which one is Thelma? Which one is Louise?

And I take it that the car they’re driving off the cliff is the Obama presidency.

ignorantapathy on February 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

They are going for it.

WisCon on February 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Crap,finally found the picture!!
==================================
Thelma and Louise Redux

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=15515

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM

I keep telling myself that are simply not enough Dems willing to fight this battle under their current leadership. But I have to admit that I worry that I am wrong. This just seems crazy to me.

Cindy Munford on February 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM

At its core, the Dhims message is, “We don’t give a damn that the economy’s in the tank and millions of you are unemployed.”

ya2daup on February 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Dems….it’ll only hurt when you hit the bottom in November. Go ahead and JUMP.

Van Halen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swzh0ngMNJo

yoda on February 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM

This assumes the dems can get past the amendment filibuster.

clement on February 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Maybe the right needs to form a DC coalition of the Minute Men to serve as a reminder to those who represent us that we’re ever-vigilant of their actions.

citrus on February 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Excellent piece, ED!

In this game of “chess” King Obama, Queen Piglosi and Bishop Reid are ordering their Pawns “FORWARD!”…but unlike chess, the real live Congressional Pawns may not feel like being sacrificed!

Justrand on February 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Cindy Munford on February 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM

It just all seems so surreal, through the looking-glass’ish…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Good god! What part of “jihad” don’t you understand?
These suicide legislators are perfecting it.

Cybergeezer on February 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Obama is the most dangerous man ever elected President. He is going for the whole enchilada. He really believes he can pull it off, that he is untouchable. The next three years will test the United States unlike anything ever seen before.

Skandia Recluse on February 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

It is a more worrisome situation than some folks think, but I doubt at this point that Pelosi can generate a majority in the House, or that Reid can beg 51 for a reconciliation bill in the Senate. McCarthy ‘s is a “worst-case” scenario that I just don’t see happening. But the DemLibProgs are nothing if not nuts, and we should remain diligent and keep those Congressional phone and fax numbers handy.

novaculus on February 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Maybe the right needs to form a DC coalition of the Minute Men to serve as a reminder to those who represent us that we’re ever-vigilant of their actions.

citrus on February 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Excellent idea.

Fallen Sparrow on February 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM

In a time that being surprised by these actions has become somewhat obsolete, I still must believe that the communists are going to have trouble getting 51 votes.

Keemo on February 27, 2010 at 10:11 AM

McCarthy is right. This is about power, not getting re-elected in the immediate future. The Dems want control of the middle class and its wealth.

They get control of the middle class’ health care, with the eventual single payer coming as insurance companies go bust, and then they can tax the middle class with the threat that if they don’t they’ll cut the middle class’ medical coverage.

The GOP would be reduced to the Conservatives in England – arguing that they can run the social welfare state more efficienlty, not that they’ll dismantle it.

Wethal on February 27, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Harry Reid and Nancy,

star in Thelma and Lousie!!

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Canopfor, you must be referring to this.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Well, either they pull it off and the GOP gains a ‘solid’ plank for 2012: I will dismantle O-care.

Or, the rank-and-file ‘rats fragment and the OPR triumvirate collapses.

Or, they’re compelled to do a Plan C: a bill so ‘scaled back’ that it achieves little more assemble the bureaucratic machinery and puts the insurance industry into a slow nose-drive straight to the turf.

None of those scenarios will end well for the ‘rats.

CPT. Charles on February 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM

I believe they have no idea what they are doing but have decided just trying is better then nothing and that somehow some miracle will break the logjam, take comfort in the fact that Democrats can’t pass a bill but have put themselves in a position that a failed try is the best they can muster right now.

rob verdi on February 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Overall, 43% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. That is the lowest level of total approval yet measured for this President. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove. The President earns approval from 76% of Democrats while 86% of Republicans disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 38% approve and 61% disapprove. The President earns approval from 37% of men and 49% of women.

Post-summit numbers…and that is only 1 days worth in the 3-day average. He’ll be at 40% come Monday.

SouthernGent on February 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM

by the way the health bill is no longer a deficit reduction devices, it will now be called a job creation device.

rob verdi on February 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM

And I take it that the car they’re driving off the cliff is the Obama presidency.

ignorantapathy on February 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM

ignorantapathy: Yes,I would say,Hopeys Presidency is on the
pecipice,after all,he is into year 2 of
Mission UnAccomplished!

Thats why Team Liberal are in panic mode,
to get something done!!

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM

I’m going to say that they are bluffing. Nan does not have the votes. They will scale it back.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Understand this, if Democrats ram it through, then we ram it right back out. And so it goes. Once the barrier is broke it becomes precedence.

Where does it stop, next they ram cap and trade, then they ram AMNESTY, then they ram card check, then they ram ….

Hello Venezuela …

tarpon on February 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM

The fact that they are going through with this is so beyond explanation I have to keep shaking my head to make sure I’m awake.

I don’t know what to think or what to expect. All I know is if they really really REALLY try to go through with this they will set off a chain of events I don’t think they are ready for.

gophergirl on February 27, 2010 at 10:16 AM

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM
Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM

How about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid’s jump over the cliff?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6vqsOt-Pc

yoda on February 27, 2010 at 10:16 AM

I can’t wait to watch the Dems go crazy when Republicans try to use reconciliation after they themselves use it. The media will will also be delightful in their full fury.

Howcome on February 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Post-summit numbers…and that is only 1 days worth in the 3-day average. He’ll be at 40% come Monday.

SouthernGent on February 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM

-21 baby and it keeps dropping!

gophergirl on February 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Canopfor, you must be referring to this.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Dire Straits:Affrimitive!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM

I think he, Mark Steyn & Rush are right, and the Rs are playing this for normal political tactics and the Ds are playing an entirely different game, they see *transformation* in their sights, no matter if the American people want it or not.

And they know that they don’t have enough seats up this November for the Rs to be able to override a veto even if they manage to pass a reversal of O-care, they can only get to 57, that’s not enough. And that would mean running the entire table and knocking off folks like Leahy, Inouye, & Mukulski whose constituents probably support this thing. Even getting to 55 is hard, that includes Schumer, Boxer, Feingold, Wyden & Patty Murray, most of whom don’t even have candidates running against them at this point.

If they pass this, and who knows, they’re not rational at this point, they’re counting on us to not being able to remain angry & focused till ’12, and history being that once stuff like this is enacted it doesn’t get unenacted, (not a word, I know) it stays and grows. The only thing I can hope is if they do manage to pass it this is just a bridge too far for the American public and it does mean that some of their stateist crap that our side has just accepted as fact will actually begin to be dismantled.

lizzie beth on February 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM

The democrat party has tossed the Constitution and any shred of respect for the American system of government out the window.

There will be consequences, especially if they ram this bill through. If the contract of the Constitution between the states and the federal government is violated so egregiously by the feds – perhaps a state or group of states could find a new contract to regain the rule of law.

Rebar on February 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

How about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid’s jump over the cliff?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6vqsOt-Pc

yoda on February 27, 2010 at 10:16 AM

yoda: D*mmit yoda,another good one!!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

O’Bummer may have allowed the debate to drag out far too long! He HAD the votes he needed, but much has changed over time and the chances of political suicide are increasing with each passing day.

I honestly believe they DON’T have the votes in the House (by at least two or three), otherwise this would be a done deal weeks ago. The public financing of abortions being the major uncleared hurdle. The far left demands that funding; the centrists and Right leaning Democrats are strongly opposed.

The longer he waits, only the “no” vote total will increase.

I look for The Won to give Reid and Pelosi their marching orders this week. “Do It…Whatever it takes, do it now”.

If and when it fails; so does his entire term as President. He becomes a lame duck in record breaking time.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Republicans have reacted with understandable glee to the Democratic insistence on extending the debate on ObamaCare.

In the GOP’s euphoria, I hope they are ready to battle the Dems and KILL THE BILL. The Republicans showed mettle at the summit. Let’s hope they don’t get sidetracked with the sudden accolades and do everything to stop this power grab–because that’s what this is.

conservative pilgrim on February 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Has anyone really been following their process? The taxing and reorganization begins immediately.
The benefits and policies do not take effect for 3 to 10 years.
This whole plan is nothing but a power play to ensconce this political party in permanence.
Anybody, with half their brain tied behind their back, blind as a New York governor, and dumb as a U.S. President, can see their ultimate goal.

Cybergeezer on February 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM

rob verdi: Obamacare “will now be called a job creation device.”

Amazing, huh? From now on the Obama/Reid/Piglosi will re-title EVERYTHING as a “Jobs creation” mechanism.

Peasant:Queen Pelosi, why did you strangle my puppy?”
Queen Pelosi: “Why to create more jobs, of course!”
Peasant:Thank you, Queen Pelosi!!”

Justrand on February 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM

We must understand their goals and motives if we are to effectively counter the left.

Know your enemy!

We have always assumed that the left were just compassionate people, but foolishly going into debt.

Wrong! The goal was to bankrupt the nation so they could declair capitolism a failure and replace it with their own socialist system.

I like the idea of term limits; however, we now see what corrupt elected officials will do if they are not worried about reelection or realize that they are lame ducks.

The people need the ability to recall elected officials in such cases.

The Rock on February 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM

That’s something that a lot of folks are thinking, that is is the normal policical games of ‘give and take and let’s all get reelected.’ I’m in agreement this is not the case in this instance.

After 8 years, and 8 years before that from the opposite side of “He’s going to declare martial law!” I know the tendency in manys minds is to step back and think things through.

But this time, the evidence is so overwhelming, the complete disregard of voters, polling data, and actual common sense, it should be apparent to most if not all that the desperation to set up something, anything! that will eventually lead to total control and single payer.

Control is right, it is what they want, and if they have to sacrifice some of their own, they will do it.

With any luck, however, those being sacrificed will think twice before just going along with it.

JamesLee on February 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Okay, so this is one explanation for the Dems and Obama’s behavior. Not necessarily one without holes though. Certainly there must be some Dems out there who see this as the financial armageddon it will become(rather quickly) and do not wish to inflict this on their kids or ours. Yes? No? this reasoning relies on all or enough Dems being ideologues instead of citizens and honorable men/women. Can this be true of them? It’s certainly true of Obama and company but is it true of the House and Senate?

jeanie on February 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Obama is at 43/55 on Rassmuson this morning, the lowest approval yet. A dead cat bounce from Thursday’s televised clusterfark.

farright on February 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Dems in Congress and the White House are willing to do whatever George Soros tells them to do. Besides, I’m sure he has fat sinecures lined up for all who pay a price in November for doing his bidding.

Chaz on February 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

The House also has the problem that it has to first vote for the Senate bill (unchanged) with the Cornhusker Kickback, etc. Then they vote to remove that stuff in reconciliation.

So the Dems have to respond to the problem of “I was for the KC before I was against it.” Didn’t work well for Kerry in 2004.

Wethal on February 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Justrand,
she would follow that up claiming credit for reducing your carbon footprint.

rob verdi on February 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM

If people don,t get by now they never will.This is there religion they don,t care what it brings down on them or there party.The Libs/socialist believe it,s there destiny to rule this country and the world with there feel good programs.They think of themselves as the elite ruling class and the rest of us as back wood to stupid to know or care about anything.This is what makes me so damn mad when i see people like O,Reilly ,Huckabee and other so called wizards of smart that apparently don,t see or get it.

thmcbb on February 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM

If the Democrats use reconciliation to push through HCR it won’t matter that they are obliterated at the next election- they will have fundamentally transformed America permanently. Reagan was right when he said the closest thing to ever-lasting life was a government bill- I seriously doubt that anyone will be able to completely un-do what the Dems are attempting. If this piece of legislation goes through not only will it increase the pace at which the USA is rushing towards economic oblivion, it will essentially turn it into another socialist European-style state. The relationship between citizen and government will be radically changed forever- and that will mean more and more power for those on the Left.

Until the whole system comes crashing down around them that is- but at this stage it’s clear that Democrats don’t care about the future of the country, only the future of their share of power over it.

I just wished that more people were aware of the fact that this fight isn’t just about health care- it’s about the impending economic collapse of America (see Mark Steyn’s more recent columns for sobering information on that) and a transformation of the role of the government over the citizenry.

Jay Mac on February 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM

yoda on February 27, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Yoda that is a good one. Also a classic movie in my humble opinion.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM

What’s really scary about the Dems is ths same thing that makes the Jihadi’s frightening and difficult to stop. The similarity b/w the two is that the ends justify the means and that they are driven by blind ideology to achieve those ends. They don’t care if they’re ripped to shreds (literally and/or politically) so long as their ideological worldview is advanced to some extent. That’s why Obama is basing his entire presidency on this one bill and effort.

Anyone that thinks they say a man at the summit willing to compromise or give up without being forced to wasn’t watching closely. Obama was upset at the ideological challenges to the legislation because to attack it (and his worldview) is to attack him. He’ll no more agree with the opposition that the state isn’t the answer any more that I’d agree that there isn’t a God or that Jesus wasn’t my personal savior. It runs that deep into their souls. To these guys liberalism is their religion and their fervent belief in it will drive them to great lengths to impose it upon others. To me Obama is frightening not so much because he’ll continue to push NHC, but rather because it’s obvious now that he’ll stop at nothing to impose his idea of what American should be on us all.

volnation on February 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM

So, in other words we will have two choices:

An American Republic
OR
Defeat

I think I’ll select the former. They are making a huge mistake by backing us into a corner. Don’t make us get all Mama Bear on yo’ arses, cause if you do, it’s going to hurt.

Key West Reader on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

I’m not sure I really understand the problem… in the long term that is. If Democrats go nuclear, doesn’t that make it that much easier to dismantle the thing in 2013? Made even easier by the fact that none of the benefits will have manifested yet, but the consequences will already have started?

Lehosh on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Obamacare will fail in the House. Obama will see his polls drop to 40% approval.

The GOP will take over the house and the senate in 2010. The stock market and jobs will begin to soar, beginning 4th q 2010.

Obama will be left with the only card he will have in his deck….claiming credit for the economic turnaround on his 800b ‘stimulus’ bill that was passed 3 years prior (2009).

The complete election revolution will be complete in 2012 with the Conservatives in control of the Congress and Presidency.

Obama will ride off into the Chicago sunset to build his library and travel the world making millions making speeches for the rest of his life.

tatersalad on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Oh, and in the same line as Health Care = Jobs, check out today’s Day By Day:

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

JamesLee on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

The taxes start immediately so they have the revenue to help bring down the deficit and can respond to charges of it being too high.

The coverage starts in 2013, so Obama will not have to answer to the voters for a health system run by the DMV. The rank and file Dems will, and will no doubt say they just have to tax te middle class to give it good health care.

Wethal on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

“They will put their heads down and go for as much transformation as they can get, figuring that once they get it, it will never be rolled back.”————–But they’re assuming that some future GOP supermajority won’t be equally zealous and just decide, on ideological grounds, to roll back this transformation. They’re also assuming that these changes will be hugely popular like Social Security or Medicare.

WarEagle01 on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

McCarthy’s right. It’s a nightmare. It’s a nightmare that will keep repeating until the progressive movement in this country is crushed, until it’s removed from respectability in mainstream politics.

petefrt on February 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM

If they pass this, and who knows, they’re not rational at this point, they’re counting on us to not being able to remain angry & focused till ‘12, and history being that once stuff like this is enacted it doesn’t get unenacted, (not a word, I know) it stays and grows.

lizzie beth on February 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Well since this bill will mean immediate higher taxes coupled with a crappy economy and the prospect of even more tax hikes coming(not to mention the Bush tax cuts expiring), they’d have to be living in another universe(which I’m starting to think they do) to not believe the American people can remain PO’d all the way through 2012.

That’s what I really don’t get about all of this. Ok, so the Dems have resigned themselves to massive losses in November. Two problems with that. First, there’s no telling how badly they could lose. Is it out of the question that they lose 80-100 seats in the House along with control of the Senate? After Scott Brown’s victory, anything is possible. Second, what about 2012? People just assume because Obama will be on the ballot then that turnout for the Dems will be much higher, stemming any further losses in Congress. I disagree. Turnout(not to mention anger and disgust) could also be way higher for conservatives leading the Dems to even more seats going to the GOP along with the White House.

What does all this mean? Not only will Obamacare be overturned by early 2013, but so will every other element of the left’s agenda. And the Dems could very well be out of power for the next decade unless the public has a short memory or they get rid of all the 60′s radicals and hand control of the party back to the more moderate wing. Neither of which I’m counting on.

Doughboy on February 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM

The notion that they’re willing to sacrifice control of Congress and their own political careers for this makes sense only if they’re absolutely certain their legislation won’t be undone by their successors. Are they really that sure?

flipflop on February 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Forgot to add another reason they don,t care Rasmussen has Obama done -21 today.Does anyone think he,s going to stop his socialist march?

thmcbb on February 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM

We must admit to ourselves the Democrat Party of Kennedy, Jackson, Humphrey et al vanished with the ’60s drug induced social revolution that brought us Ayers, Obama, Pelosi, et al. Where Henry ‘Scoop’ Jackson and Hubert Humphrey had the courage to take opposing sides, they had a true love for this country. Do Pelosi and Obama have a similar love of country?

One, great effort to completely retool one sixth of the American Economy (and by extension at least one third of the World’s economy) is being driven by uncloseted Marxists. They want another ‘Cultural Revolution’ a’la Mao and Stalin to forever place themselves above the narod.

Their place in their world is secure. They don’t worry about the ‘Front Line Fighters’ whose lives, careers (a ‘professional’ politician is a career???) and income are safe. They have, however, forgotten pertinent phrases of a singularly impressive document that will come back to haunt them:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”

and

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

Who’s in?

SeniorD on February 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM

This is why we need to be ruthless in fighting these bastards. There is no room for civility.

darwin on February 27, 2010 at 10:30 AM

I’m not sure I really understand the problem… in the long term that is. If Democrats go nuclear, doesn’t that make it that much easier to dismantle the thing in 2013? Made even easier by the fact that none of the benefits will have manifested yet, but the consequences will already have started?

Lehosh on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Just imagine trying to “undo” Social Security and/or Medicare. Once that foot is in the door you can’t ever close that door.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM

This is why they are digging in so damn hard on healthcare!

Read this shocking piece by Kyle-Anne Shiver and pass it on.

Hidden Healthcare Reform Objective: Feds Want to Know Your Number
by Kyle-Anne Shiver

Imagine, if you will, that you are living in a changed America, or in President Obama’s words, an America that begged “re-making.” In this now-changed America, hope is in big government and her closest ally, big science.

Now imagine that you and your spouse give birth to a child in this brave, new America, in a hospital linked by law to the federal citizens database. Immediately upon your child’s birth, a hospital clerk assigns your newborn with a “Unique Health Identifier” (UHI), a specially coded number, which is then put into a national electronic database, along with your newborn’s fingerprints and any other identifiers the bureaucrats in D.C. have demanded.

Sex. Weight. Length. Race. APGAR score. Health appraisal at birth, including any disfigurements or handicaps, identifying traits or birthmarks, and DNA markers. Information about the child’s parents, such as names, age, race, number of prior pregnancies, number of prior births, number of prior abortions, education attained, occupations, finger prints and criminal records, if any, are also stored. Almost anything can be included in the database for future government needs, whatever those might be…

http://biggovernment.com/kashiver/2010/02/25/hidden-healthcare-reform-objective-feds-want-to-know-your-number/

katy on February 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Oh, and to add to what I already said, Barry would be a “signifigant one-term president” even if he lost in a massive landslide in 2012 if this passes. Between owning the domestic car market, healthcare, cap & trade (which the EPA is enacting all by itself) and the control they currently have over the financial sector, they will be a long way down the road to ‘transforming America,’ which means he did just want he wanted to do all along and disguised with pretty speeches that people thought were centerist & all the right wingers were nuts to warn that he was a radical leftist.

lizzie beth on February 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Are Democrats acting irrationally, refusing to see the cliff in front of them?

Are Democrats acting irrationally, refusing to see the cliff in front of them US?

And liberals don’t give a damn about US.

They won’t quit being dangerous until they’re all voted out.

Speakup on February 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Don’t forget, Obama is going to honor us with his new” Pathway to Health Reform” next week. Gibbsy said it’s gonna include Republican ideas. See everything is going to be just fine……

sandee on February 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM

What the Donks need to relize is that if they go this route they will become the party of the “Far Left”. The will remain the minority party for a long, long, time. I’m telling you that the mask is off. They are bluffing and the Republicans have called. Now they are at the point of whether to pull the gun and use it.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM

The polls are clear: America does not want Obamacare.So, what do we do if they forge ahead?Republicans, Tea Partiers, Independents…everyone needs to start DEMANDING that this issue be put off for a mere EIGHT MONTHS.

Obama said: “That’s what elections are for”. In his iteration, he passes his takeover bill and then we get our say in November.

But we need to pressure them NOW to delay the vote and make November a referendum on health care reform. I’m not saying I think they’ll comply. But they’ll sure look bad in voters’ eyes. And that just might be enough to turn a few Blue Dogs red. __________________________________________________________

As an afterthought, I also wonder if the Supreme Court might get more actively involved if it were apparent they were passing this transformational legislation against the will of the public. Kinda like FDR’s power grabs.

jeanneb on February 27, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Barry, Nancy, Nevada Harry and their Ilk should remember a few very salient points:

” When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

and

“We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.”

and

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

SeniorD on February 27, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Oh, and in the same line as Health Care = Jobs, check out today’s Day By Day:

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

JamesLee on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Perfect! He captures Obama’s conceitedness perfectly right down to his nose touching the ceiling.

conservative pilgrim on February 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Liberal HealthCare,is more about touchy-feely,bragging
rights,and cock-tail party kudos,in which,each Lefty can
slap each others backs,and fantasize how many more voters
they have gotten,and,at the same time,make the narrative,
or Liberal view,that the Republicans were a DOORSTOP AT
EVERY TURN,and brainwash more of their flock,er,sheep in
the process!!!

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Thelma and Louis? I first thought of Harold and Maude when I saw the cap.

elifino on February 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Please, Senate Republicans. Amend the crap out of this thing if when the Reid gang uses the reconciliation technique to try to sledgehammer this abomination through.

Aitch748 on February 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Obama channels Joe Pesci in this YouTube parody video: http://www.youtube.com/user/Optoons#p/u/0/nJUQN2juXck

Mervis Winter on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

One would think this is political suicide, unless their plan B includes stealing future elections via ACORN (under a new guise), SEIU, and the Census.

redridinghood on February 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Is there any information on just how much of this bill can effectively be dis-mantled when/if it gets passed. And if Obama is still in the WH when the effort is made can any vetoes he might wield be overturned. One other factor: those Dems ousted from office over this? After some thinking analysis of what happened to them these could serve as living examples and, in fact, will. Were I a witness to this and still in the Legislature, I would turn against the leadership and their heirs with a vengeance. But I’m speaking for me.

jeanie on February 27, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Just imagine trying to “undo” Social Security and/or Medicare. Once that foot is in the door you can’t ever close that door.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Except that something will have to be done(or undone) in the next few years. Social Security and Medicare are bankrupt. And remember, Obamacare is stealing half a trillion from Medicare to fund itself.

Why do you think we’re running massive trillion-plus deficits? It’s not just the government growing at an alarming rate. We’ve reached the point where we can no longer afford these entitlements.

The next 10 years are going to be a period of deep soul searching for this country. We have to decide whether we’re going to make major sacrifices(and believe me, it’s gonna get ugly) in order to get our financial situation under control or will we allow ourselves to continue down the path toward becoming Greece.

Doughboy on February 27, 2010 at 10:39 AM

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

JamesLee on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

My only complaint is that he should have made Obie’s ears bigger.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Thelma and Louis? I first thought of Harold and Maude when I saw the cap.

elifino on February 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM

elifino:)
================

Maude: Walters Ethics 1/3

She mentions,”Joe the Plumber”,I nearly ded when I heard
that!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzFtX1qcHI&feature=PlayList&p=A9E52E526061D112&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM

I’ve said for a year that the more and more the country turns against them, the more dangerous they become.

And that isn’t limited, by any means, to legistlative action.

These people are convinced of their right to rule us, and they will do anything to exert it. Anything.

notagool on February 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Where are the trolls? Are they too busy “Seminar Calling” radio shows? Please come defend this “Hope and Change”.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

JamesLee on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

JamesLee: Thanks for that,a dead ringer!!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM

They do this, this is civil war. I will personally take up the gauntlet and run for any and all offices until every liberal piece of legislation I can revoke HAS been.

This government has gone rogue and it needs to be shut down. NOW.

Skywise on February 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Andy McCarthy is right. They have tried to pass the crown jewel of socialism for 70 years now. In the past they tried to do it while hanging on to power. They now see the bigger picture, that in the long run passing socialized medicine insures their hold on power and the continued subversion of freedom and liberty. The fact that they are willing to take lumps in the short term for this is truly scary. Our only hope is that enough of the dems in congress are short sited enough to vote against it to save their political skins. But I am afraid that the message from the W0N that “I have already insured your political demise in November so you may as well stay true to the socialist agenda if you want any hope of getting back into power in the future” is taking root and they are resigning themselves to that.

conservnut on February 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM

The taxes start immediately so they have the revenue to help bring down the deficit and can respond to charges of it being too high.

The coverage starts in 2013, so Obama will not have to answer to the voters for a health system run by the DMV. The rank and file Dems will, and will no doubt say they just have to tax te middle class to give it good health care.

Wethal on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Shhhhh! Don’t tell anyone this is really a bailout for the Union legacy costs. Shhhh! It’s a secret!

/not

Key West Reader on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

. And the Dems could very well be out of power for the next decade unless the public has a short memory or they get rid of all the 60’s radicals and hand control of the party back to the more moderate wing. Neither of which I’m counting on.

Doughboy on February 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Who are those ‘moderate’ Democrats? They ALL voted for this thing in the Senate.

I’ve come to believe that much of the public that votes D are useful idiots that have no clue what actual agenda of their leaders is. That’s where there really is an ‘educated/ruling class’ that matters. The rank & file think they’re just good & compassionate people. The leaders are stateist that use their votes to radically change this country. It’s not like any of them have been open or honest about what they want to do once elected for my adult lifetime. If they were then McCain as weak of a candidate as he was would have cleaned Barry’s clock.

lizzie beth on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Why you shouldbe very afraid of reconciliation-

Senator Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) pointed out some rather astounding language in the Senate health care bill during floor remarks tonight. First, he noted that there are a number of changes to Senate rules in the bill–and it’s supposed to take a 2/3 vote to change the rules. And then he pointed out that the Reid bill declares on page 1020 that the Independent Medicare Advisory Board cannot be repealed by future Congresses

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/harry_reid_slips_in_a_bombshel.html

Jay Mac on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

I firmly believe that even if they are able to twist enough arms to ram it through, that the new Republican congress will be able to put the brakes on it.

Republicans should run as the party who will use simple majority votes and the reconciliation process to ram through the laws to overturn this travesty. After all, according to Democrats all Americans want is a simple up or down vote and that the majority rules. Right? Well the next majority had better bring the same hardball tactics and send these statists back to the stone age.

exceller on February 27, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Most people on the Left are True Believers. This is critical to understand. They are willing to lose Congress; Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are prepared to lose both houses to get this through.

Funny you should mention that, isn’t the leader of Iran playing the same game with his country?

royzer on February 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM

If the Dems go for it, it will create jobs.

Theirs.

And be repealed soon after.

Suicidal, transitory and insane.

The new D party logo?

profitsbeard on February 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM

lizzie beth on February 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM

You are correct that they all voted for it but I do think there are a few that have “indigestion” (Webb, Lincoln, Landrieu, Nelson, Bayh, Bennett).

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM

It looks like it’s coming to total communism, with the Unions, census, healthcare, military, intelligence agencies, banks, auto manufacturers, etc.
And again, Barracky boy had to make sure everyone at the “summit” knew he won again.

Cybergeezer on February 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM

To quote the great writer Mark Twain, “…Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.”

GrannyDee on February 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Plus wait till the 20-30yr. olds are told they HAVE to buy Health Coverage then the sh!t will really hit the fan.

Dire Straits on February 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM

I ask this question a lot, but I feel like I never really get a sufficient answer to it: If Obamacare passes, what do we do? In the short, medium, and long terms? I have to say I have no idea at this point whether or not it will happen; I can see it going either way. But I think that we—as conservatives, or merely as those who are disgusted by the socialism the current Democratic Party wants to foist on us—have to have a plan. And I’m not seeing one from anywhere. Not from Andrew McCarthy, not from HotAir, not from Rush Limbaugh… No one is talking about what our next step is if the worst should happen and Obamacare becomes law. Don’t we need to start looking at that very seriously? It seems to me that would be much more productive than urging the Democrats to ram it through so they’ll lose in November—they don’t care. They’re our enemies, and they’re proving it every day. So why is no one drawing up a cogent plan for defeating them if they end up winning this all-important war they’re now waging?

WesternActor on February 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM

HOPE is that if there are any moderate dems. in Wash.,they will CHANGE their course and vote NO with Rep.

ohiobabe on February 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM

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