Paul Ryan to Obama: You realize your bill is a fiscal disaster, right?
posted at 5:50 pm on February 25, 2010 by Allahpundit
Via the Standard, this was the most buzzed-about moment among righties on Twitter this afternoon, and with good reason. Now that you’ve laughed at the freak-show stuff, settle in for six minutes of Ryan wonking out about what’s destined to happen to the “cost curve” and our annual deficits if The One’s leviathan bill passes. This has always been a core problem of Obama’s health-care pitch: He knows that the moral argument for the bill — sure, it’ll cost us dearly but it’s worth it to insure the uninsured — is a political loser so he resorts to preposterous assertions about how our giant new federal entitlement will actually save us money in the long run. It’s win-win, you see. (Kaus dubbed this nonsense “Orszagism” after The One’s budget chief.) I think I’ve said before that it reminds me of the left’s arguments about enhanced interrogation. They won’t acknowledge that intel could be lost if detainees aren’t pressured because the public will blanch at that trade-off. So voila: Simply insist that enhanced interrogation never, ever, ever works and the circle is squared. Win-win again. There are no trade-offs in Candyland.
So unpersuasive is his argument that a clear majority of 53 percent says America can’t afford to take these vital “cost-saving” measures right now. (The same poll puts Obama’s health-care approval rating at 35/55.) Viva Orszagism.
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Paul Ryan and the very handsome Eric Cantor.
HornetSting on February 25, 2010 at 6:25 PM
He shoots, he scores.
Fallon on February 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Ryan/Yoo 2012!
RMOccidental on February 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM
I let your comments speak for you.
Keep “cracking!”
AnninCA on February 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Hire this man!
RINO in Name Only on February 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM
He’s a congressman. I think we’ve only had one POTUS to go from congressman to POTUS. Maybe we should first try to get him a Senate seat?
terryannonline on February 25, 2010 at 6:27 PM
What a dreamy looking man! Good Lord!
ReneePA on February 25, 2010 at 6:28 PM
My comments speak well, thank you. Unlike your journal entries that you splatter on the wall here, hoping for something to stick.
HornetSting on February 25, 2010 at 6:29 PM
I trust the CBO’s numbers up until 1 day after a spending/tax/budget bill passes. AFter that their numbers go out the door.
THe CBO has to use projected (guesses)static numbers for GDP, tax rates, tax revenue, etc to “cost” out a bill like this. If ANYTHING changes slightly, their cost estimate is gone. And that ‘anything’ can include raises in interest rates, inflation, recession, unexpected (heh) numbers participating thus raising the cost. (cough) illegals (cough)
exsanguine on February 25, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Methinks Sen. Ryan has read the bill.
MackDaddy gets taken to school.
davidk on February 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Well,that was a great reaming of Hopey!!
Paul Ryan Rocks!!
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
I have impossible standards, I admit, but I think the GOP missed a huge opportunity to frame this debate within a larger context of freedom and ideology. The debate was almost exclusively couched in financial/fiscal terms. The republicans looked like brilliant and articulate number-crunchers and risk assessors, but not so much as inspiring tribunes of individual freedom. They simply didn’t use the opportunity to expose young Americans weaned on liberal catechisms of “compassion” to the fallacy of Statist benefaction (the myth of “compassion”) represented in this malignant bill, but also to inspiring notions of individual sovereignty and empowerment as outlined in their own proposal. What woud be the first impulse of Ronald Reagan at such an event, when directly confronted by the architects of such a massive government takeover of individual life? To argue cost? I don’t think so. What if Obama’s healthcare cost nothing, or was fiscally neutral? Would we then be conceding the issue? I get the feeling sometimes that we would.
I think in fact that our expectations of the GOP have so fallen that we’re thrilled that they were able to show up without their pants falling off, and indeed were able to mount an impressive factual presentation. But what of the moral presentation? What is it they stand for beyond budgetary responsibility?
rrpjr on February 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Opps Rep. Ryan
davidk on February 25, 2010 at 6:32 PM
If I were to apply Obama math to my household budget, I would conclude that inviting my neighbors over to dinner every night would lower my food costs and help me pay off my credit card debt too.
backwoods conservative on February 25, 2010 at 6:32 PM
This charade was SUPPOSED to give the Dems cover so that they could ram reconcilliation down our throats.
Oops! Need a new plan.
DrW on February 25, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Ryan actually has a (gasp) degree in economics
tessa on February 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
My comments speak well, thank you. Unlike your journal entries that you splatter on the wall here, hoping for something to stick.
HornetSting on February 25, 2010 at 6:29 PM
HornetSting:*Splatters on zee wall*!!teehee!!
You go girl!!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Ouch. Brett Baer (sp?) just reported that Tom Harkin’s sob story about a farmer who faced increasing insurance premiums hit a little too close to Harkin. The farmer is the brother of a guy who works for Harkin. Not cool, douchbag…
joejm65 on February 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Hornet – me likey your feisty – please do keep cracking – woot!!
Ris4victory on February 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
I usually don’t like to comment on silly remarks but on this one I must. Child, do you even LISTEN to what is being said or are you too busy thinking about what you are going to say? You remind me of my daughter sometimes. God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason…..LISTEN! Sorry..just had to say this.
sicoit on February 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
You’re kidding, right? What type of executive experience do you gain in the senate?
Case against your point? Our current POTUS.
donh525 on February 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Kohl’s Senate seat is up for re-election in 2012, and there was some talk about drafting Ryan for the governor’s race this fall. But that race has drawn a good candidate from Milwaukee (Scott Walker), plus Ryan’s economic talents are much better suited to the House than the Senate.
He’s in the perfect spot if the GOP can retake the House this fall, which is why I think he’ll stay there and get plucked as the VP by whomever wins the primary in 2012.
BadgerHawk on February 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
The problem is two fold:
1. The MSM will find some way to make the republicans look racist or evil.
2. A good part of the electorate, at least 52% that voted for obama, will not understand a word that Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, or even John Mccain, *shudder*, said today. All they will come away with is what the MSM tells them. All three are white men that are racist against the historic leader.
It is too bad our society has become one of hand out, not hand up.
HornetSting on February 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
The Hornet stings. That’s why I try not to provoke her.
backwoods conservative on February 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM
You certainly do possess a very strange thought process.
Go away.
Please.
GrannyDee on February 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM
more like the Marianas Turkey Shoot….
Fighton03 on February 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM
You just know throughout that whole thing, Captain America was wondering about things like what’s for dinner, is that Biden that smells so bad, are the Sox gonna do anything this year…and OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!
BigWyo on February 25, 2010 at 6:37 PM
At 5:24, the famous Pres Obama middle finger…what a child.
sbugzmom on February 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Methinks Sen. Ryan has read the bill.
MackDaddy gets taken to school.
davidk on February 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
davidk:And Sen.Ryan was very articulated in his discussion!
-:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM
rrpjr on February 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
WRONG!!!! That’s what they wanted. They would’ve started crying about Aunt Lucy and her ingrown toenail. This was better, cold, hard math. “Hiding spending does not reduce spending.”
tessa on February 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Let’s see, on this side we have a man with a total command of the facts, which he articulates brilliantly. On the other side we have a shameless liar and demagogue who is willing to literally say and promise anything.
Who is the winner?
Your answer to that will reveal whether or not you are a racist.
notagool on February 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM
I know people are saying that if the GOP takes the House, Boehner is one of the frontrunners for Speaker. I must confess I was not impressed with Boehner todac. He was alright but I would prefer some like Ryan or Cantor in that position.
terryannonline on February 25, 2010 at 6:39 PM
The Senate is a more prominent position.
terryannonline on February 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM
At 5:24, the famous Pres Obama middle finger…what a child.
sbugzmom on February 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM
sbugzmom: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your right,he does give the bird!
This needs to be hyped up!!:)
Excellent observations SBZM!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM
That was impressive. Furthermore, I don’t think he drew breadth once during the whole 6 minutes. Wow. Good job, Rep. Ryan.
MainelyRight on February 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM
I watched it live, then again in the video…
… and I have no doubt, that watching Obowma he is thinking:
It’s official…
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM
For me, the disconnect with reality that Obama displays is astonishing.
He comes into office effectively saying “give me a trillion dollars or the country gets whacked”. Then goes around saying he saved the country from the “Great Depression II”. Next he wants to pass the biggest, most fiscally irresponsible entitlement ever.
So in order, he claims to haved saved the country from financial ruin, then he sets about finishing the job of bankrupting us.
His priorities are all discombobulated and based solely on ideology, rather than reality.
If he really thinks he’s such a hot shot, why doesn’t he prioritize sanely, like start with fixing Social Security, then fix Medicare, then balance the budget, THEN talk about universal health care!
If he does the first three he gets re-elected in a landslide. Then he can do universal health care in his second term. Then they’d put his face on Mount Rushmore lol!
OxyCon on February 25, 2010 at 6:44 PM
I was not able to watch, but did anyone take the dems to task over the cadillac tax pass given to union members?
Elbar on February 25, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Ah…looks like his index finger to me….
BigWyo on February 25, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Yes I’m sure nightly parties, $180/lb Wagyu steaks and teams secret service golf caddies are just killing him.
Chuck Schick on February 25, 2010 at 6:46 PM
I don’t care if he is majority leader…….POTUS came from the senate, OlympiaAnn.
For that matter, so did maverick and look how THAT turned out.
HornetSting on February 25, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Agree with the first point, disagree with the second point. An important part of the 52% that voted for Obama – the indies – have been bailing on him for about a year now, since Porkulus passed. They gave him a chance, and then proceeded to split in large numbers. If they were smart enough to start the exodus, they’ll be smart enough to see what went on today and make up their own minds.
joejm65 on February 25, 2010 at 6:48 PM
I watched it live, then again in the video…
… and I have no doubt, that watching Obowma he is thinking:
“Oh, sh%t, he actually read the bill, works with the CBO on a daily basis, and knows what he is talking about.”
It’s official…
“Barack Hussein Obowma has suddenly become an advocate for all things gay…”
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM
Seven Percent Solution:I have to admit,listening to Ryan,
tell the truth,was priceless!!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 6:48 PM
What a blessing it was to have MSNBC (Air-Obama) off the political air all day, clearly an Olympic moment.
Rovin on February 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM
more like the Marianas Turkey Shoot….
Fighton03 on February 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Fighton03:Good scenario!!hehe:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM
I don’t care if they called themselves Indies or Democrats~if you’re stupid enough to vote for this asshat, you’re stupid enough to believe government run healthcare will be great. They sway with the wind and right now, it is low…if obama pulls a rabbit out of his ass, they will be impressed. Just the way it goes, joe.
HornetSting on February 25, 2010 at 6:57 PM
F**k that! Kill the survivors while they’re digging the graves.
single stack on February 25, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Beyond parody.
Lehosh on February 25, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Some provoking is good. Romantic provoking, for example. Remember, it’s only a sting if you don’t want it. Otherwise, it’s just ‘stimulating.’
platypus on February 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Hornetsting. My favorite.
anniekc on February 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Man crush!
Mojave Mark on February 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM
So let’s let him pass all kinds of B.S. legislation so he’ll feel better about himself. sniff.
anniekc on February 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM
… and the Dems could not stop him, nor the media. The word got out. That look on Obowma’s face;
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Check out who just went Spicy on Google Trends: Paul Ryan
Looks like he made a splash today.
carbon_footprint on February 25, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Right on about the parody comment. But he cannot be suffering unless he is capable of making a choice.
I submit that a narcissist like him is incapable of performing in any other manner. He sucks in all the spiritual energy like a black hole, giving nothing.
If he does not get sufficient spiritual energy, he feels like he’s being suffocated rather than suffering. It’s literally a life-threatening situation for him to be deprived of your life force to which he deems himself so richly entitled.
These people really have no idea what they’ve done. On the other hand, maybe they do which would explain why Axelgrease hasn’t been seen for over a month.
platypus on February 25, 2010 at 7:06 PM
How much you wanna bet that Ryan is named Olbermann’s Worst Person In the World tonight for exposing B.O.’s Healthcare-a-palooza for the snake oil show it really was?
pilamaye on February 25, 2010 at 7:06 PM
I’ll have to wait for the replay. The part I heard from Ryan was the beginning.
If he delivered more than that, I’m sure ready to hear it.
I thought the GOP was a lot more prepared than the Dem side.
AnninCA on February 25, 2010 at 7:08 PM
Oh please people.
I just mean, it must be miserable to be in so far over your head as Obama obviously is.
That’s all I meant.
AnninCA on February 25, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. Palin’s smarter than both her foes AND friends give her credit for, and her heart and instincts are right, but that grating accent and inability to speak off the cuff make her problematic for me and I suspect a lot of others like me.
Ryan was very impressive today. Let’s hope the GOP uses its brighter lights to make the greater points about freedom and liberty as explained by
greggriffith on February 25, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Maybe Obama isn’t even aware quite yet of how deep in the hole he really is.
Maybe that awakening is yet to come.
Nonetheless, he was so in the hole with this, I honestly felt bad for him.
He couldn’t even conduct himself as a moderator.
He just doesn’t have it in him.
AnninCA on February 25, 2010 at 7:11 PM
He’s a narcissist and doesn’t feel that he is in over his head.
thomasaur on February 25, 2010 at 7:13 PM
I am surprised at how long Zero let Ryan speak the second time, I know Zero didn’t like what Ryan said the first time and cut him off.
That’s my congressman, I’m glad he attended and hit it out of the park.
Brat4life on February 25, 2010 at 7:14 PM
I get where you coming from by wanting the Republicans to speak more about freedom and liberty. However, I think sticking to the financial costs has it’s benefits too. If we make the liberty and freedom arguments they will might tout their moral arguments (which I think is their strongest argument….although I don’t agree with him). By keeping it on the fiscal level…they have defend stuff like rationing. It doesn’t make them look good.
terryannonline on February 25, 2010 at 7:14 PM
If he does not get sufficient spiritual energy, he feels like he’s being suffocated rather than suffering. It’s literally a life-threatening situation for him to be deprived of your life force to which he deems himself so richly entitled.
I was married to one, so charming in the beginning, til something might actually be about you.
tessa on February 25, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Oh, just frikken great! 52% of the electorate chose an awakening for POTUS.
Rovin on February 25, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Rep Paul Ryan got his game on today. Always does when he talks economics. He’s right on about the spending in ObamaCare. We can’t afford this bill.
TN Mom on February 25, 2010 at 7:26 PM
Good question. I knew Ryan was a smart guy, but I didn’t realize how impressive he is in person. The LOOK on Obama’s face while Ryan was talking was, as someone else said, positively nixonian.
Infidoll on February 25, 2010 at 7:26 PM
Did you really state that following the Constitution would lead to anarchy?
Nathan_OH on February 25, 2010 at 7:27 PM
From Day 1, I always thought Nobama viewed himself as more of a Super-Senator than as a President. He seems to want to be Prom King of the club that he left, and he doesn’t understand the difference between being a legislator and an executive. I agree with you, he is in way over his head, and I’m not saying that because I don’t like the guy. Zero is the 8th President that I have memories of in my lifetime (Born during LBJ term, and Nixon is the first one that I actually remember), and Nobie is the only one who doesn’t seem to get what ‘President of the United States’ means.
joejm65 on February 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Um, stupid he ASKED rather publicly for the job and EVERYONE in the media/elites assured us he would be ready because don’t you know he ran a good campaign. So if he’s “suffering” (and I doubt he is) I hope it piles on daily for him!
But I don’t buy your flawed premise Obama enjoys the power and perks of the office that’s actually is primary goal in attain said office.
Sharr on February 25, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Obama at various points in the video looks like ‘I can’t believe this is happening’, ‘I don’t want to be here’, and ‘I need a smoke’. All of that is mostly from his poor placement of his hands on his face. The president was unprofessional in front of cameras during his meeting.
AnotherOpinion on February 25, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Not likely to happen, could but I would not risk any personal fortunes on it.
Sharr on February 25, 2010 at 7:36 PM
It looks like Barry isn’t use to being talked to that way. at 5:24 he is giving Rep. Ryan the biggest stink eye I’ve ever seen.Bwahahahahaha!
mizflame98 on February 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Representative Paul Ryan SIR:
MAJOR league KUDOS from the Great State of Texas!
(are we SURE this guy AINT a Texan?)
In all seriousness as above the Nixonian visage of TOWWBWF during Ryan’s remarks may have been the most political FUN I’ve enjoyed since………….”I………….did……….NOT………….hayuvvvvvvvv………………..SEX……………..with………….THAT…………woman”
Katfish on February 25, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Addressing his opponents by their first names, knowing they would be compelled to refer to him with a respectful title, “Mr. President,” was a cheap trick by Obama to try to make himself look better. He’s the adult, “Mr.”, and everyone else is a child, not deserving of a title. Cheap and transparent. I guess that’s the transparency Obama’s been promising us. I would have loved it if one of the Republicans had replied, “Well, Barry . . .”
mbs on February 25, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Paul Ryan is the man! If he ever runs for POTUS he has my vote.
elclynn on February 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM
I have a simple rule. If a person addresses me by my first name I feel that I automatically have permission to do the same. If they take insult to me addressing them by their first name, I point out that they best show me the same respect they demand from me. If I was Rep. Ryan, I would have called Obama Barack just to see his head explode.
mizflame98 on February 25, 2010 at 7:52 PM
Six minutes rapid fire of coherent, clearly enunciated, on-topic and rational expression.
Very good.
YiZhangZhe on February 25, 2010 at 7:52 PM
I stand by my middle finger observation…only his ring finger and pinky are bent. The extended finger is the middle.
sbugzmom on February 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM
The Hornet stings. That’s why I try not to provoke her.
backwoods conservative on February 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM
backwoods conservative: In my younger years,at camp,with
camping neighbours,we played war,
and I stepped on a nest,in the bush.
I was stung about 10 times,grabbing
4 or 5 yellow jackets still embedded
under my t-shirt,
I will never step on an old log,ever
again!!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM
If the GOP elites were capable of surprise attack with a lethal weapon and they weren’t as afraid of Sarah as the Dems, they would have brought her in, unbeknownst to anyone, to bring the house down. berri would have given her the finger and run away crying as Sarah hit a Reagenesque home run on how obamascare would steal our freedom, violated the Constitution and will ration care and still be based on death panels.
Talk about living rent free in their heads – when Sarah finished with them they wouldn’t have heads left.
tigerlily on February 25, 2010 at 7:55 PM
I think he made several scores!
conservnut on February 25, 2010 at 7:56 PM
Oh, I completely agree: Taking down the bill on its financial/economic points is great, it definitely has to be done. What I should have said is that, once those points are made, move directly up the ladder, into issues of liberty and freedom. there are soooooo many reasons this bill is bad, and I think the GOP has a golden opportunity not just to kill this bill once and for all, but to use it to frame itself as advocates of something more closely resembling the founding fathers’ original vision for the country.
greggriffith on February 25, 2010 at 7:57 PM
I stand by my middle finger observation…only his ring finger and pinky are bent. The extended finger is the middle.
sbugzmom on February 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM
sbugszmom: Not an isolated incident,look at the third
picture down!!:)
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http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 7:57 PM
That sounded overly grand, especially for the folks in charge of the GOP right now, their solid performance today notwithstanding.
Point is: *Anything* closer to the founding fathers’ original vision is better than this turd of a bill/party/vision the Dems have.
greggriffith on February 25, 2010 at 7:58 PM
I feel a whole lot sorrier for us and our country then I ever will for Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid drove me out of the Democratic Party. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him or any other a**hat who voted for him.
elclynn on February 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM
LOL AP!
ted c on February 25, 2010 at 8:00 PM
That’s as silly as anointing Palin only on the basis of her RNC speech, or anointing Brown just because he won a Senate seat.
Great job by Rep. Ryan, but “Whoever 2012!!!!!” gets a little tiresome after Whoever has had a good day.
ddrintn on February 25, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Paul Ryan is my new hero. Bravo, sir!
Mutnodjmet on February 25, 2010 at 8:01 PM
It’s ridiculous that Obama by himself talked more than all of the other Democrats, and the Republicans got less time than either Obama or the Democrats.
Obama 119 minutes
Democrats 114 minutes
Republicans 110
http://republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=blogs.home&CFID=39796949&CFTOKEN=85706289
mbs on February 25, 2010 at 8:01 PM
Did anyone else find it incredibly stupid looking that the POTUS had a name card in front of him? As if he couldn’t be identified in a room full of US Congressman and the viewing audience might not know who he is either? Or does he love seeing his name so much that he didn’t realize how foolish and childlike he looked?
btw, if he did flip off Rep. Ryan, that should be added to the utube videos that compile his other flips – there are three or four now and all of them conveniently occur when he is mentioning the name of a rival – in this case his rival is speaking to him. This stuff needs to go viral – Get on the stick Beck, Hannity and O’Reilly. (Not holding my breath)
tigerlily on February 25, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Well, that sure didn’t work out for O, now did it.LOL
mbs on February 25, 2010 at 7:48 PM
elclynn on February 25, 2010 at 8:02 PM
I dunno maybe it is more of a promotional disaster than true war.
Something along the lines of WKRP’s “As God is my witness, I thought turkey’s could fly.”
Lily on February 25, 2010 at 8:03 PM
OMGosh! Bravo and a big AMEN to Paul Ryan.
It sounds as if he has actually read the bill and knows what is in it. Even though I normally turn off the set when BHO is speaking, I would have loved to have heard him mutter, stumble and fumble his way through his debate of Ryans numbers.
DuctTapeMyBrain on February 25, 2010 at 8:05 PM
… and the Dems could not stop him, nor the media. The word got out. That look on Obowma’s face;
“The truth hurts!”
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Seven Percent Solution: Hey,your right,that made it through
the msm filters!!
I do hope,someone makes a video of
that!
Come to think of it,an RNC ad,for
the 2010 upcoming election!!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM
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