Open thread: Obama health-care summit; Update: Video link added
posted at 9:30 am on February 25, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
This health-care summit is already off to a great start. The White House leaked a scaled-down proposal just days after unveiling a formal proposal so vague that the CBO couldn’t score it. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi will kick things off at the summit by laying out her approach to any hint of a new direction for ObamaCare. In her opening statement, Pelosi will specifically reject what she calls “incrementalism,” demanding instead the kind of sweeping reform that has made ObamaCare political poison for Democrats living outside of San Francisco:
Traveling around the country, we’ve all heard stories about people unable to pay their medical bills. I’ve even seen a grown man cry – a senior citizen from Michigan, whose wife had been sick for 16 years. He didn’t know how he’d pay the medical bills. He was too proud to ask his children for help – they had financial challenges of their own. He worried he might lose his house because of the cost of care. All he could ask was: how can I tell my children?
His story and others illustrate why reform is so critical and why inaction and incrementalism are simply unacceptable.
Both “inaction and incrementalism” are unacceptable? They’re not the same thing, as even some of her Democratic allies have begun to realize. A sweeping reform in the wrong direction would be much worse than incrementalism that could later be reversed without doing extensive damage to the system — and it would be worse even than doing nothing at all.
What do you think the outcome will be? Take the poll:
Update (AP): NBC should be streaming it live in this player as it gets going.
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Professor and moderator BHO is now taking the floor and admonishing others for speaking to long…tehe
d1carter on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Boehner speaks next.
Abby Adams on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
He LIES!!!
ndulik on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
For those of you who watched Barry, Granny McBotox, and Dingy Harry, my hat’s off to you. I can’t do it. My hand just hits mute, whether my brain wants it to or not. It just happens. Mute. Every time they speak.
Rational Thought on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Is Obama repeating himself?
ctmom on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
How will Dem’s call this short if it becomes obvious to lefties that they’re tanking? will Obama be called away for an “emergency?”
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
let the discussion begin…don’t repeat yourself mr. President
karu_servative on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Why is Obooboo chairing this? Bipartisan my arse..
sicoit on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
The temperature in the room has dropped and air is escaping!
donh525 on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Reid needs to talk slower for the Tea Party crowd. Smaller words would be nice, too. /
changer1701 on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Because the soap box he’s standing on is crumbling.
Rovin on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Is the Jesus story real? it’s nearly impossible to google “Jesus” and not find a story about Christ
andrewtf on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
OK, Barry’s had 30 minutes to develop a response to Lamar, while Nancy and Harry were droning on and on.
fogw on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
On the “stupid scale” where exactally does Obama fall?
milwife88 on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Obama now hedging to ok reconciliation.
Mr_Magoo on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Abby Adams on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Boehner next? Nice
Mord on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Alexander did so. We’ll see if Obama will respond. It sounds as if he’s dodging the question.
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Now Obama is going to tell the Republicans what to talk about.
ctmom on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Since around March ’09.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
You mean Harry got near enough to the stinky people to hear their plight? Imagine that!
LSUMama on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
What a conniving mind-one see the gerbil churning!
ndulik on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Barry was gong to try and sum up Dems taling points but it turned out to be “What the hell did Nancy and Harry just talk about”
Just A Grunt on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
As Harry Reid stated yesterday, when no one was talking about reconciliation!
petunia on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
obama now saying that this meeting is a sham?
Handel on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Too big a gulf – proceed from there = reconciliation.
Mr_Magoo on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Boehner should start off with reconcilliation immediately.
ctmom on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Of for the love of God…Harry and Nancy doing their melodramatic best -cheap theater -penny theater.
So this all they have anecdotal health care insurance scare stories ipso facto the dire need for health insurance reform.
Anecdotal doesn’t work on me…who does it work on?
Anecdotal evidence To me, Is like spitting in the ocean, and then telling everyone that the ocean is made up of saliva.
Dr Evil on February 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Reconciliation OFF THE TABLE.
Free Constitution on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Straw man alert
ndulik on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
I wonder if the earth will shake today as our Founding Fathers roll over in their graves!
redwhiteblue on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
(from Sarah Palin’s Facebook):
More of the Same, Only More Expensive
The President has wrestled control of the health care debate away from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid by finally introducing his own plan. Unfortunately, the White House’s proposal includes everything we found untenable about the old Senate bill-only this one is even more expensive! This is what you might call putting “perfume on a pig.”
What’s in this “new” proposal? It has the unpopular (and arguably unconstitutional) individual mandate that forces people and employers to purchase health insurance-only this time with much harsher fines on employers to purchase health insurance-only this time with much harsher fines on employers who choose not to go along with another expensive government mandate. It has provisions that will make employers think twice before expanding their workforce. It has cuts to Medicare Advantage, a popular program which allows seniors to pay a little more money out of pocket for better coverage. And, of course, it still has sweetheart deals-only this time they’ve been extended even more.
We don’t know what the final long-term cost will be because the Congressional Budget Office hasn’t had a chance to calculate costs. We do know that the White House recognizes that its proposal will cost tens of billions more over the next ten years than the already expensive $2.5 trillion Senate bill. The President promised last July that he won’t sign a health care bill if it “adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” But he’s now proposing a health care bill with uncertain fiscal repercussions that could lead to endless deficits.
The rising costs of care has driven the entire health care reform debate. So how does the President’s proposal address this central issue? Price controls. That’s right: Washington, D.C. wants to give a panel of bureaucrats the power to cap insurance premiums and prices. As Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute notes, “artificially limiting premium growth allows the government to curtail spending while leaving the dirty work of withholding medical care to private insurers.” This leads to rationing. Any economist worth his salt-including the White House own Larry Summers-will tell you that price controls lead to all sorts of negative unintended consequences. It’s another step towards government controlled health care and away from the real solution: free market, patient-centered reform.
With a government-growing proposal this bad, it’s no wonder the President wants bipartisan cover for it in an election year. Thursday’s health care summit is already being revealed as little more than a photo-op. The Obama administration still denies the existence of the House Republicans’ health care plan that offers alternative solutions to health care challenges-even though the White House website links right to it.
The President’s proposal doesn’t include pro-free market ideas like allowing people to buy insurance across state lines, giving individual buyers the same tax benefits as those who get insurance through their employers, or instituting real medical liability reform. Despite the “kumbaya” rhetoric, Democrats are making plans to ram this bill through the Senate using a partisan procedural maneuver that will bypass the normal bipartisan debate process.
In the meantime, the White House will continue to ignore Republican reform ideas and cast the GOP as the party of no. That’s a hard sell considering that Democrats still hold the majority in the House and Senate. The only real “gridlock” preventing Democrats from doing what they want is the very threat of America’s voice being heard at the ballot box.
The public is clearly opposed to the Democrats’ health care bills. Americans want to scrap these big-government plans and start over with common sense, incremental reform. Some on the left have urged Democrats to vote for Obamacare because it’s a foot in the door for universal health care. They understand what’s at stake, so should the rest of us.
The President can perfume this proposal however he wants, but it still doesn’t pass the smell test. Washington should listen to Americans now, or Washington will hear from us in November.
Sarah Palin
technopeasant on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Is Obama repeating himself?
ctmom on February 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM
YUP.
LSUMama on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Obama’s avoiding the filibuster question!
Come on Lamar. That was a condidtion. HOLD HIM TO IT!!!!
katy on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Awwww, Bamster doesn’t want to talk about reconciliation. He says, “Let’s change the subject”. Never mind regardless of what happens today, they’ll cram it down our throats by reconciliation. Never mind it shows all this is just cynical, bad faith theatrics.
petefrt on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Obama’s not willing to take reconciliation off the table.
Kabuki theatre… just like we thought.
Murf76 on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Beck and the boys are mocking Bury and his 40,000 letters
thomasaur on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Perhaps Dems will walk out in a huff.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Yep, Obama dodged Lamar’s question about reconciliation without dealing with it directly–he refered to “process.”
I guess Obama sees reconciliation as the GOP’s sword of Damocles.
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Why is Obama talking? I’ve heard one Republican talk
jaboba on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Bankruptcy
http://www.openmarket.org/2009/02/25/obamas-bankruptcy-math-has-to-be-wrong/
sarainitaly on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
yeah, Obama and his list of “facts”. Take it to the bathroom with you Barry and wipe your arse with it. It’s the only way your “facts” are useful.
milwife88 on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Nice. Obama telling the Rs how they can play in his sandbox.
tru2tx on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
old school teleprompter on display by POTUS
gatorboy on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Line of the meeting so far, in regards to reconciliation — “The only thing that would be bipartisan would be opposition to the bill.”
Ferris on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
This country has millions of freeloaders and rip off artists who have been loading the health care system with visits to the emergency room and doctors for minor things
sonnyspats1 on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Hey Republicans, can you smell the rat yet.
The stink has to be overpowering.
donh525 on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
More stories about real people… = I’m out of ideas.
Mr_Magoo on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
teleprompter stuck?
Dr Evil on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Alexander should say, “Since Harry says no one is talking about reconciliation… I will take that as his word that he isn’t going to use reconciliation.”
Headline: Harry takes reconciliation off the table.
petunia on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Since when is laying people off “unthinkable”?
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
He ONE, that’s why
gatorboy on February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Lamar Alexander (R-TN): “It (Dem bill) may work in the classroom, but not in our complicated world”
*slam*
TN Mom on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
McCain is going to be the first to lose it.
ctmom on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
I don’t think it is medical premiums that are keeping businesses from hiring, Barry. Idiot
darwin-t on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
STFU Barry. No one believes a word you say.
txag92 on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
“Exchanges” = “Public Option”
No?
Abby Adams on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
sounds like it is due to people losing their jobs, due to illness, and then become strapped.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html
sarainitaly on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Barry sucking up Boehner’s air time.
Mr_Magoo on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
He’s boring everyone to death!
ndulik on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Dear John Boehner:
Please kick this jackass to the curb.
jana on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
There’s that 20-30% again. Listen you petulant little twit. The industry as a whole is still operating at less than 4% profit margin. That means their cost structure is whacked. Address that!
anuts on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
“Choice and competition.”
I’m glad we’ve disallowed talking points.
Doughboy on February 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Let’s review who has spoken thus far ……
Obama
Alexander
Obama
Pelosi
Obama
Reid
Obama
That’s fair.
fogw on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
obama setting the example of being a time hog
gatorboy on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Maybe Obama’s in Hawaii body surfing, and this is a hologram of a previous speech, from say 6 mos. ago.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
jana on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Yes!!!
ctmom on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Barry is filibustering between Dems.
silvernana on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Yeah baby!!!!!
Barry stuttering like a fool!
ndulik on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
GO LAMAR !!!!
CUT THE JERK OFF !!!
stenwin77 on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Oh snap! Tell him, Tell him now!
carti3r on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
And we inflate our tires, we’ll save just as much.
Barry must have voted present during the how to run a summit class.
Lamar fights back!
Barry gets mad!
Mr_Magoo on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Alexander interrupts.
It’s ON!
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Lamar challenging Barry on the CBO report
Just A Grunt on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Lamar!!! My new freaking hero!!!!!
jana on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
small businesses are not hiring because they can fully see the road this administration is taking! i don’t think i can listen to this for much longer!
oh, snap, Lamar just called him out! he no likey that! shut up!!
peasoup on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
The guest lecturer is lecturing again.
kingsjester on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
omg, Lamar called him out and interrupted him!
milwife88 on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
whooopsie
chairs gonna fly soon?
tru2tx on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
here we go voodoo kensyan math
sonnyspats1 on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Now he won’t let Lamar talk. This looks just like we thought it would.
silvernana on February 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM
YOU LIE!
woohoo on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
MeatHeadinCA on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Wouldn’t that be sweet????!!!!
Ah, Lamar holding his feet to the fire.
Barry getting pissy!
Chewy the Lab on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
hehee!! this is awesome! Cant wait for Boehner!
becki51758 on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Hold him to it? That’s not how the Indonesian Imbecile runs meetings. The Indonesian feels that he has the right to lie about anything he wants, whenever he wants. That’s how he’s always been. The GOP knew this before they went in, as The Precedent has never played fair. He hasn’t got the brains for it.
The GOP is just flapping their gums and no one cares about what they are saying. The GOP is just there to lend legitimacy to reviving this 11 times killed legislation, and they are doing a great job at that.
neurosculptor on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
LAMAR!
outerwear on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
No more free rides; if everybody will pay their share, my insurance premiums wouldn’t be so high.
TN Mom on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Barry the stumbler is such a joke. He just got called out on his lies AGAIN, and he’s now making stuff up.
He’s also visibly agitated. Keep it up.
Dubn8tr on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
barry is in TROUBLE!!!!
winston on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
He promised me.
carti3r on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Obama is already monopolizing time. We’re an hour in and have heard from ONE Republican. The GOP should make him repeat his answer on reconciliation and then walk.
Murf76 on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
We need Vince McMahon here……
JVelez on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
I think so too. He looks like he’s already getting ready to open a pack of woopass.
Handel on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Obama – What plan you put forward?
motionview on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
omg Lamar not only interrupted him, he also called him out!
milwife88 on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Yes! Their plan to use reconciliation goes to the heart of this event. It shows it’s all just cynical, bad faith theatrics.
Don;’t back down, Lamar!
petefrt on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
BHO is the decider on what is factual and what is not. Repubs need to walk out now.
d1carter on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LAMAR!!!!!!!!!!
deidre on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Obama is screwing up. I don’t think he’s believeable.
And he’s getting defensive.
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM
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