Obama’s Plan B? Update: Maybe, says Hoyer!
posted at 8:48 am on February 25, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama plans to use today’s health-care summit to make one last push for the highly unpopular ObamaCare proposals currently stalled in Congress. Over the last few days, a number of leaks from Democrats on Capitol Hill suggest that Obama and Nancy Pelosi don’t have the votes to pass the current Senate bill and may find themselves bogged down in the Senate over reconciliation as well. According to the Wall Street Journal, Obama has prepared a scaled-down version of ObamaCare to spring on both sides in today’s meeting that will almost certainly anger progressives — and probably won’t endear him to his party’s embattled leadership, either (via Geoff A):
President Barack Obama will use a bipartisan summit Thursday to push for sweeping health-care legislation, but if that fails to generate enough support the White House has prepared the outlines of a more modest plan.
His leading alternate approach would provide health insurance to perhaps 15 million Americans, about half what the comprehensive bill would cover, according to two people familiar with the planning.
It would do that by requiring insurance companies to allow people up to 26 years old to stay on their parents’ health plans, and by modestly expanding two federal-state health programs, Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, one person said. The cost to the federal government would be about one-fourth the price tag for the broader effort, which the White House has said would cost about $950 billion over 10 years.
Stung by accusations of profligacy in an era of massive increases in the federal deficit, a $250 billion plan would make Obama look comparatively thrifty. That will be part of why Democrats will object to the proposal. While the WSJ analysis concludes that a scaled-back plan would help protect blue-dog Democrats, it would be more likely to further anger the electorate and cut off Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid at the knees after backing the White House for months on the original ObamaCare plan.
That’s probably why Ezra Klein reports in today’s Washington Post that the White House is denying that any Plan B exists:
The Wall Street Journal has a splashy piece this evening on the White House’s plan B for health-care reform: a fallback approach that would cover 15 million people, do less to reform the system and cut costs, and carry a lower price tag. Call it health-care lite.
Plan B has been around for awhile. In August, discussions raged in the White House over whether to pare back the bill. The comprehensive folks won the argument, but people also drew up plans for how you could pare back the bill, if it came to that. More thinking was done on this in the aftermath of the Massachusetts election, when Rahm Emanuel and some of the political folks again argued for retreating to a more modest bill. As you’d expect, these conversations included proposals for how that smaller bill would look.
At this point, I could quote some White House sources swearing up and down that that’s all this is. A vestigial document that’s being blown out of proportion by a conservative paper interested in an agenda-setting story. They’re furious over this story. None of the quotes are sourced to the White House — not even anonymously — raising questions that the whole thing is sabotage. But it hardly matters. There’s no Plan B at this point in the game, and most everyone knows it.
The problem with Klein’s analysis is that it’s become increasingly clear that there isn’t a Plan A, either, and everyone knows that. Progressives now want reconciliation for a public option that is opposed by more Senate Democrats than ever. House progressives don’t want to vote for a Senate bill that doesn’t include one. Bart Stupak’s coalition is once again threatening to block the Senate version in the House over the lack of language blocking federal funds for abortion. And if the House passes the Senate bill and reconciliation doesn’t work, they’ll have stuck the unions with a heavy tax on their health insurance plans they can ill afford .
Obama called this meeting to find a way to pass anything for which he can claim a victory. The proposal outlined by the WSJ makes sense politically for that purpose, but is weak tea and would almost certainly find no support from either side in Congress. Expanding S-CHIP again on the heels of the contentious fight over the last two years on that program will be difficult, especially since Congress has already exhausted ideas for funding it. Medicaid expansion alone will get fought by the states, which will bear most of the new costs, unless Obama proposes a Cornhusker Kickback for all 50 states.
For Democrats, a package with minimal health-insurance “reform” will be a bitter loss. Republicans would argue that interstate competition and tort reform would save more money than a plan to expand already-sinking entitlement programs, and they’d be right. But worst of all for Democrats — and best of all for Republicans — a new plan would mean that the entire legislative process would have to start from Square One, meaning that health-care reform will take another several weeks, if not months, out of the legislative calendar. Even if it passed, which would seem rather unlikely, the fight would cripple Democrats in the midterms and keep them from addressing issues that play more to their strengths, like the long-promised immigration reform effort.
Update: Rob Port notes that no governors have been invited to attend today’s summit, despite the backbreaking hikes in Medicaid that Obama and the Democrats propose.
Update (AP): The Journal’s not blowing smoke, or so says the House majority leader:
Hoyer, the second-ranking House Democrat, said the president would have to look at a fallback proposal if the current proposals before Congress weren’t able to muster the votes to pass.
“I think the president’s open to that,” Hoyer said during an appearance on CNBC, cautioning that the president would clearly prefer to see the comprehensive bills pass…
“Obviously, the president has indicated he wants to have a comprehensive bill,” Hoyer said. “But the president, like all of us, understands that in a democracy, you do the possible.”
Between his comments this morning and what he said on Tuesday, is Hoyer trying to kill Obama’s bill?









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i should hope the states would fight the Medicaid expansion. our state is struggling as it is now. but do you think my Senators, Webb & Warner, care? do you think congressman Perriello cares?
kelley in virginia on February 25, 2010 at 8:51 AM
i wish i was going to be either at home or in my car (POTUS) to watch/listen to the whole thing today. as well informed as HA has kept us all for months, all of us here would enjoy every minute of it.
kelley in virginia on February 25, 2010 at 8:52 AM
This is about the become the tactical equivilent of “Perhaps if we build a giant wooden badger.”
apostic on February 25, 2010 at 8:52 AM
Point of order – Obama has had a Plan B all along – mandating coverage of the Plan B abortion pill by every insurance plan.
steveegg on February 25, 2010 at 8:52 AM
Where will this be broadcast? C-Span?
OmahaConservative on February 25, 2010 at 8:53 AM
We will need to look closely at any proposal for language that will increase federal government regulation over health care. Once an administrative agency gets more power, then Dear Liar can direct it as He sees fit. Look out for regulatory language in any of The Whine’s proposal, it is a trojan horse.
rbj on February 25, 2010 at 8:53 AM
he has to take fed funding of abortion out or Congress will erupt. though i am not a anti-abortion person, this is a hot button from all points of view.
kelley in virginia on February 25, 2010 at 8:54 AM
Odamna (or his handlers) is/are devious beyond anything we have seen before. He is a clear and present danger to the future of our nation. Keep your eyes open for additional power-grabs. They are just now coming to light.
I weep for my nation.
Crusader Rabbit on February 25, 2010 at 8:55 AM
After that: Plan C.
Akzed on February 25, 2010 at 8:55 AM
Ya think they’ll recognize a different shade of lipstick?
Cybergeezer on February 25, 2010 at 8:55 AM
Obama: “Hey America, how about eating my $1 trillion crap sandwich?”
America: “Hey, Obama, no thanks.”
Obama: “How about just a big bite?”
ted c on February 25, 2010 at 8:56 AM
Perriello, Dem, 5th CD, Va was on MSNBC this a.m. talking about his bi-partisan bill to eliminate antitrust exemption to health carriers. it passed in House with many Republican votes.
and you say we don’t need more lawyers in the House? well, a lawyer could read that bill & see that it eliminates the actuarial data sharing; it also allows govt health care to come in. do you think the govt health ins can compete better? do you see what is happening to Toyota?
kelley in virginia on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
That’s what they wanna pivot to next? I don’t think pushing amnesty when there’s 10% unemployment is the smartest political move.
Doughboy on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
All Obama’s health plan needs is a new logo!
Disturb the Universe on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
I assume that plan B is a non-binding resolution to the effect that they wish they could do something. They could pass that.
Vashta.Nerada on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
Obama to Republicans: “I’ve got a $1 trillion crap sandwich. So, where’s your $1 trillion crap sandwich? My crap sandwich is bigger than your crap sandwich.”
Lunchtime.
ted c on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
Kill the Bill and START OVER!
What part of NO don’t they understand?????
Chip on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
I heard C-Span already had commitments. BOR was on F&F this a.m., so I would imagine FOX and the Obama Network will be covering the ram and jam today.
yoda on February 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM
Obama’s Plan B is to use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
He will probably pull the pin and instead of counting to three before throwing it, stop and give a speech about how glad we should all be that we have him to pull pins for us and it’s really George W. BuBOOM!
The Monster on February 25, 2010 at 8:58 AM
Apparently Speaker Pelosi has just publicly told Obama NO!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33499.html
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2010 at 8:58 AM
Thx, I overslept this morning.
OmahaConservative on February 25, 2010 at 8:58 AM
Let him pass gas and call it a day – a 5 second meeting.
His most significant pronouncement yet.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2010 at 8:59 AM
Plan C: Takeover 18% of the economy through an Executive order.
Chip on February 25, 2010 at 8:59 AM
Keep April 1st on your calendar in Omaha…next meeting for the Nebraska HA posters.
yoda on February 25, 2010 at 9:00 AM
The Feds should stay out of healthcare. Let the states continue to manage it, but let’s pressure the states to drop most the the darn mandates that drive up the cost. Make a cheap, catastrophic plan available, and more people will have coverage.
bopbottle on February 25, 2010 at 9:02 AM
What event?
OmahaConservative on February 25, 2010 at 9:02 AM
This is what happens when you believe your own propaganda. Liberals convinced themselves they had a mandate from the people to socialize the country and expand government to unheard of levels. They were wrong and now their base is pissed because they were promised unicorns.
gwelf on February 25, 2010 at 9:03 AM
So the Republican’s prep for a discussion on the vague thing he already put out there along with the two existing bills, and he springs something on them to steal their thunder and throw them into confusion at the last moment.
I don’t know if it will happen, but it wouldn’t surprise me and it’s another reason to not trust this guy to have a discussion in good faith. The press won’t call him on it and will just report that re Republicans weren’t prepared etc. This is why the have “discovery” in court cases.
forest on February 25, 2010 at 9:03 AM
For the past two decades I have been repeatedly told that healthcare plays to the the strengths of the Democrats. Perhaps we should test out all of their other supposed strengths.
myrenovations on February 25, 2010 at 9:03 AM
Plan B? for BANISH!! We dont want your plan from A TO Z it’s a NO…..
justonevictory on February 25, 2010 at 9:06 AM
Tea Party Express – I don’t know where or time yet, but I let huskerdiva know too.
If you are on FB…become Tea Party Express friends.
yoda on February 25, 2010 at 9:06 AM
“You can fool 52 percent of the people all of the time with hope and change, and 48 percent of the people none of the time, but you can fool all of them one time…”
Wait, Valerie, how does that go again?
kam582 on February 25, 2010 at 9:06 AM
I think this is a Hail Mary pass, and dems are hoping that some GOP participant will make a gaffe or foolish statement that the President will then correct using what passes for logic and reason among the ignorant. The point is, the exchange will be convincing to the Left’s constituency and their narrative of the debate. This embarrassing exchange will be looped and replayed ad nauseam on state-run media to turn back the anti-health-care-takover tsunami.
The worst part: I say odds are very good that the GOP will provide just such a gaffe and that the plan will be a stunning success.
jeff_from_mpls on February 25, 2010 at 9:08 AM
Gee, here I am willing to put off going on Medicare to help save the country some money and they are talking about expanding it. I am pretty sure they are doing it wrong.
Cindy Munford on February 25, 2010 at 9:09 AM
All your plans are belong to us.
Obomba/Pelosi/Reid are simply incompetent boobs. Democrats don’t know how to lead. They just know how to point the finger at other people.
SouthernGent on February 25, 2010 at 9:09 AM
I’ll bet this thing includes items like “tort reform” and other items he expects Republicans to ask for.
The republicans will bring it up, he’ll say “it’s in there”, the Reublicans won’t have time to read it and reveal that it’s bogus, and they end up in a terrible political position of sitting there saying “but, but, but we haven’t had time to read it, we’re being treated unfairly”. The media will report that Obama’s new plan calls for tort reform and that’s that. Republicans end up looking stupid.
forest on February 25, 2010 at 9:09 AM
C-Span 3 is going to broadcast it.
10a-4p per their schedule.
rslancer14 on February 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM
Oh…I thought “take off and nuke the entire site from orbit” might be his plan B.
B Man on February 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM
Prediction for today’s dog and pony show on the healthcare legislation.
I feel the groundwork has already been laid to continue the demonizing of the health insurance companies. Barry O and his Democrat minions will continue the problems with healthcare onto the insurance companies, giving the illusion that they are not fighting Republicans and how dare the Republicans side with the evil insurance companies. The tone, at least initially will be how can the evil Republicans be so against helping the working Americans by defending the insurance companies and therefore being against the Democrats plans.
Having a third party to portray as the villain and to project their anger on puts the Republicans in a box. It will be up to the Republicans to not fall into the trap, always mindful of the fact that the Dems soundbites will be parroted endlessly on the evening news.
Just A Grunt on February 25, 2010 at 9:11 AM
Meanwhile, back in the real world…1st time unemployment filings rose ‘more than expected’ and almost hit 500k.
Look for the March report to show an increase in unemployment back over 10%.
tatersalad on February 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM
O/T:
Expectedly unexpectedly. New Unemployment claims up to 496,000 for the week. And he’s trying to put insurance agents out of work.
kingsjester on February 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM
It’s the only way to be sure, after all.
steveegg on February 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM
Obama’s plan A: Socialism
Obama’s plan B: Socialism
Obama’s plan C: Socialism
Obama’s fallback plan: Socialism
Mojave Mark on February 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM
Now they’re blaming it on the snow.
maynila on February 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM
So how many teary-eyed victims will the ‘rats drag onto the floor during the big meeting today. No doubt PBHO had his minions scouring the city for the saddest pieces of humanity they could find.
Bishop on February 25, 2010 at 9:14 AM
Go ahead Dems, go with Plan B, C, all the way to Z…… you will do nothing but to continue to piss off the majority of American people to no end.
This means absolutely nothing gets done in D.C. until the straightened out, finally listening to the people GOP regains power, which is fine by me.
I only hope the GOP does get it’s act together by 2012, because if not, then it’s time to tar and feather all the basterds and think about seriously starting a third party.
Jerome Horwitz on February 25, 2010 at 9:14 AM
If you think of neo-Marxist health-care “reform” in America as one long string of miserable episodes, then this is, at best, Plan D, after HillaryCare, PelosiCare and ReidCare.
D for Dumb.
D for Dead.
D for Damn, how long are we gonna beat this dead horse?
greggriffith on February 25, 2010 at 9:14 AM
How about, just once, for a few seconds, maybe extend it into a few minutes, perhaps even consider making it a daily exercise…
…preside over the Constitution, the only thing that you are mandated, ironically, by the document, to do.
Saltysam on February 25, 2010 at 9:14 AM
The Dems are sharpening thier knives to sink into one another at any moment. What this whole clusterfark really shows is Obama\’s incompetence at managing anything of any real import, save getting himself elected. This really is disastrous for him among fellow congressional Dems. The shine is gone and now he\’s proven (not Nancy or Harry) that he can\’t close the deal and not only that, but that he bankrupts the company in the process of not closing said sale. If you think that Obama\’s numbers are bad with the general public, one can only wonder at what they must be among those Dems that followed him off the NHC cliff. You just can\’t say \”we told you so\” enough after all this.
volnation on February 25, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Dorobama and her little dog Rahmoto must be feeling a little http://files.wizardstower.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/surrenderdorothy.jpg today.
There aren’t in Kansas anymore.
/teh ghey.
Doorgunner on February 25, 2010 at 9:15 AM
correction:
They aren’t…
Doorgunner on February 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM
Wow, Ed, that is one dark sense of humor you’re cultivating.
Saltysam on February 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM
Hopefully, the Republicans will mention the 3 letter word (JOBS)to the President today. ( :
Focus Mr. President, focus.
yoda on February 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM
For all the talk of the potential that the GOP is walking into a trap, I don’t hear much discussion about the possibility that this grand theatrical contrivance could blow up in Obama’s face. Oh, and thanks for the article, Wall Street Journal. I think you set the stagehands scurrying backstage this morning.
DrStock on February 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM
I’m pretty sure that’s not allowed. If Obama tries the bleeding heart crap, the GOP will be totally justified in walking out.
Doughboy on February 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM
Watch for this Plan B — Desperate to Advance His Agenda, Obama Adds Bacon to Widely Unpopular Health Care Bill: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/02/desperate-to-advance-his-agenda-obama.html
Mervis Winter on February 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM
Too bad we’re stuck with a stupid president instead of a leader.
Home sales reported down yesterday, unemployment numbers “unexpectedly” up today. 10 million people out of work, more bank failings, commercial mortgage foreclosures on the horizon, and President Dopey wants to spend six hours on a summit discussing a trillion dollar boondoggle that can only make a bad situation far worse.
Thank you President Head-Up-Your-Arse.
fogw on February 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM
I agree that Obama is attempting to put the Republicans in a rhetorical box here, but that only works if the one making the accusation has the credibility to make the attack stick. And credibility is in short supply right now for Barry and the congressional Dems. If Obama thinks that railing against preimum hikes in two states will turn public opinion in thair favor, enough to pass this bill, then they’re more delusional that even I could have imagined.
volnation on February 25, 2010 at 9:20 AM
Soak it to the rich…..Robert Gibbs this morning on morning Joe —-the Cadillac plans are scratched for Rolls Royce Plans—(paraphrased)
Fox is playing in the background “Stayin’ Alive” by the Bee Gees…….hmmmmmmm perhaps the swan song for health care?
Steny Hoyer: On Fox and Friends: ‘The general public hates the bill in its entirety, but when you poll them on each specific item in the bill, they support it??????? (paraphrased)
Rovin: Possibly an un-tasteful comment: On the lunch menu today—-”Fresh” Killer Whale-Fish Sandwiches served with “un-sweetened” kool-aid. (dog and pony sandwiches were scratched from the menu)
Possible title for tomorrow’s menu—-Plan B
Rovin on February 25, 2010 at 9:22 AM
For all the talk of the potential that the GOP is walking into a trap, I don’t hear much discussion about the possibility that this grand theatrical contrivance could blow up in Obama’s face. Oh, and thanks for the article, Wall Street Journal. I think you set the stagehands scurrying backstage this morning.
DrStock on February 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM
That is my prediction….I predict this meeting will be a disaster for Obama.
He is not going in from a position of strength. Polls have his plan at under 30%, he is under 45% and Congress approval rating is at 10%.
Copenhagen
Climate Meeting
Iran
Blair House Disaster
tatersalad on February 25, 2010 at 9:22 AM
Plan A: Kill capitalism – install socialism
Plan B: Kill capitalism – install socialism
Plan C: If plan A & B both fail, punish Americans until term ends.
Keemo on February 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM
His plan would be devastating for Omaha & NE, Insurance is a big industry here.
OmahaConservative on February 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM
This is just like “Preparation H”!
What happened to A, B, C, D, E, F, G?
Cybergeezer on February 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM
Think so? It doesn’t seem like that to me because he apparently does not have the votes among those of his own party. Therefore calling such a meeting would imply that he will work with the GOP.
I guarantee you that there will not be meaningful back-and-forth dialogue. Just the filthy lying coward going into full lecture mode. The GOP leadership attending the royal audience will be permitted to speak but nothing they say will change the legislation. The GOP is right to inform the President that if he wants real healthcare reform, the first step is to throw out all that has been done and start anew. That’s apparently too big a slice of humble pie for a man who recasts official logos in his persona.
highhopes on February 25, 2010 at 9:24 AM
We know we’re in trouble when those that overuse the word “unexpected” end up being out of work.
Or maybe, that’ll be a good thing….
ted c on February 25, 2010 at 9:24 AM
Al Gore’s in the Bahamas
Rovin on February 25, 2010 at 9:26 AM
OmahaConservative on February 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM
As a 51 year old man, I went into Health Insurance a year ago. Nobody wants to commit right now, because of this. Obama needed a scapegoat, so he chose the Insurance Industry to make taking over 1/6th of the economy sound more pleasant to the populace.
kingsjester on February 25, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Chin out, nose in the air, monotone voice, preaching to everyone as if he is a schoolmaster attempting to quiet a room of young ruffians.
Yep, the lecturing will be in full-force today.
Bishop on February 25, 2010 at 9:28 AM
You owe me a new keyboard after that snort-worthy comment.
steveegg on February 25, 2010 at 9:29 AM
Rude crude Socialist Obama will take anything he can get and then morph it into anything he wants.
Heck it’s how he won election DECEPTION.
tarpon on February 25, 2010 at 9:29 AM
How about this:
A Congressional Proclamation proclaiming Barack Hussein Obama (D-Mmm, Mmm, Mmm) the grooviest cat evah.
He can then call that a victory and we can all go home and eat our waffles in peace and harmony before watching an Iranian nuke descend over Central Park.
J.J. Sefton on February 25, 2010 at 9:29 AM
–The plan has been out there for three days. If they haven’t read it by now, it’s their own fault.
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:30 AM
I had forgotten about that. January was supposed to be amnesty month after healthcare reform got signed in August and the fall was dedicated to cap & tax.
How’s the legislative agenda working out for ya Barry?
highhopes on February 25, 2010 at 9:31 AM
–Sorry, highhopes. The filthy liars are just as prevalent on the GOP side. You know, the ones who say that the GOP has a health care plan. Well, the GOP has presented three or four health care plans in the last nine months, some of which are inconsistent with the others. So where is the GOP health care plan?
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM
We’re talking demorats here, the same people who open the side door so that Code Pinko types can sneak in to disrupt speeches by Republicans.
You’re right, it probably won’t happen but I wouldn’t exactly jump from my chair in shock if it did.
Bishop on February 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM
Man that is sweet. How I wish this will start all over again.
Barack Hussien Obama
mmmmmm…. mmmmmmmm…. mmmmmmmm….
antisocial on February 25, 2010 at 9:33 AM
Hardball with Chrissy Tingles would be all over it.
“President Obama articulated the nation’s mood perfectly today. I’ve got a rumble in my colon just thinking about it..”
VelvetElvis on February 25, 2010 at 9:33 AM
The present bill has become so incredibly messy that it can’t possibly work anyway…like a house that you try to fix by mending and adding on and you eventually have to take it down and begin again. This would be perfectly clear to anyone except Obama who seems think backing down is a sign of weakness or something. Never figure what makes that man tick, but really wish he would fulfill his odd personality choices with some other employment.
jeanie on February 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM
Let’s be clear here. What the filthy lying coward provided was not a plan. It was a series of general ideas. If it were a plan it would have the details, like how the plan is to be funded. If it were a plan it would not be full of contradictory ideas such as an obvious expansion of abortion while paying lip service to the Hyde Amendment. This is all smoke and mirrors to make the rat bastard traitor and his party look less pathetic as almost a year of hard campaigning falls apart around them.
highhopes on February 25, 2010 at 9:35 AM
Three whole days to peruse tweaks to a 2,700 page bill?
Here is one of the new items:
“The president wouldn’t require employers to provide coverage, but his plan hits them with a stiff fine if even just one of their workers winds up getting federally subsidized benefits.”
Awesome, just awesome.
Bishop on February 25, 2010 at 9:37 AM
And I went on Medicare to save my company the cost of my policy. Our companies insurance costs just went up another 34% this month.
That said, since being on Medicare, I can’t believe the abuse of the system I see. Medicare pays providers a pittance, and in retaliation providers invent all kinds of extra costs to make up the difference.
The whole system is broken!
donh525 on February 25, 2010 at 9:37 AM
Nothing much they’ve done yet has been a ‘smart political move’; that’s not what they’re about right now.
Right now they’re about taking this once in several generations opportunity to remake this country, come hell or high water.
Viewed from that perspective, what they’ve done thus far makes sense.
Viewed from that perspective, pushing amnesty down our throats makes sense as well.
Don’t discount that they’ll likely try it.
Midas on February 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM
I starting to feel like a lonely cashier with a store full of Obama-artists paying with large denomination bills.
Dusty on February 25, 2010 at 9:39 AM
Good for John Boehner “the president has chosen to limit participation in the Thursday summit to administration officials and congressional leaders. America’s governors and state legislatures have been excluded. Their perspective from the front lines about the damage this massive government takeover of health care would do to cash-strapped states is apparently not welcome. That’s greatly disappointing, considering that measures have been introduced in at least 36 state legislatures opting out of a federal takeover of health care.”
This idiotic “reform” Bill is going to bankrupt the states, so of course Obama doesn’t want to hear from the Governors.
This is a half-baked, half-assed effort of epic proportions. The debate is over – this is the worst president and Congress in American history and this “reform” Bill needs to be strangled in the cradle.
The only thing the American people need from Barack Obama today is his formal resignation.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2010 at 9:41 AM
–You are, as usual, wrong. Obama took the House and Senate bills and made some changes, so to the extent some of the details weren’t laid out in his proposal, you can go back to the earlier bills. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/proposal. And it does not pay lip service to the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment is adopted each year in connection with the budget.
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:41 AM
–You haven’t been paying attention. That was in the House or Senate bill. Not new. Only the amount was changed.
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM
The democrats have three health care plans. One passed the House, one passed the Senate and one has been proffered by the President. They are also inconsistent with each other.
And the GOP plan is on the White House website. If you “haven’t read it by now, it’s (your) own fault”.
ROCnPhilly on February 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM
Yes but we’re continually told that Medicare has “low administrative costs”.
Really? It’s cheap to rubber stamp invoices? Thanks Democrats!
NoDonkey on February 25, 2010 at 9:43 AM
What does it matter when the filthy lying coward and his party have blocked them from all discussions since last April. The ideas put forth in any of the proposals the GOP put out (a working document changes over time) were not even considered by Democrats. How dare you take a snarky attitude about GOP efforts after we all have witnessed those of your ilk have so derailed the normal legislative process in an effort to seize control of 1/6 of the economy, further the socialist agenda, and fund the killing of children and old people through federal regulation? Again, how dare you?
I would love to see your defense of your side’s blatant partisanship and behavior. I would love to hear your defense this push to still pass some version of the House/Senate bills even though 3/4 of the American public is against it. I would love to hear your rationale why reconcilation on such a landmark measure is even being considered by the supposedly post-partisan President and most transparent Congress ever.
highhopes on February 25, 2010 at 9:43 AM
No kidding. Hey, Dems, let’s start talking about immigration reform again. ‘Cuz we all know nothing is going to solve our fiscal problems quicker than legalizing the tens of millions of Third World poor living in the U.S. illegally. The sooner we can get them all legitimately onto those entitlement bandwagons, the better — right?
AZCoyote on February 25, 2010 at 9:46 AM
Well, the GOP has presented three or four health care plans in the last nine months, some of which are inconsistent with the others. So where is the GOP health care plan?
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM
Here’s the page I think you’re talking about. There are parts of seven or eight GOP-introduced bills on this page. Which one are you talking about?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM
My understanding is that this is yet another plan that is scaled down from the BS he released on Monday:
This situation is unacceptable from the Republican point of view because like I said above, he could spring anything on them to steal their fire with phony “concessions” nobody has read and they would have no rebuttal ready to show that it’s bunk.
forest on February 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM
Fox News and MSNBC will be covering it live.
FWIW: I wish HA could post a segment from Morning Joe this morning. Joe, Mika, and Buchanan were discussing healthcare reform with Rep. Shaddegg (R-AZ) and Sam Stein (Huffpo). Shaddegg pleasantly made Stein look like a total liberal fool. Stein was completely schooled. I love it when liberals get smacked with economic realities. No feelings–just the facts.
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2010 at 9:49 AM
Just stop with the lies. Really, everybody knows they are lies which makes you appear even less credible. The Obama non-plan expands the Cornhusker Kickback to all 50 states and also gets rid of the expands Cadillac healthcare exemptions to all. In other words, the “plan” offers increases in Medicare spending and no longer seeks to tax some Americans’ for having too good a plan. All this while supposedly lowering costs and expanding coverage to the non-insured. You have no integrity if you make the claim that it has already been spelled out. This is sham legislation by a radical socialist regime intent on taking over healthcare and converting it to a public utility.
highhopes on February 25, 2010 at 9:49 AM
It is, but not for the reasons that seem most obvious. Amnesty would cheer up the left but the real reason why this makes sense is that illegals are largely working as an underground workforce. You make them legal and all of a sudden you have a heck of a lot more names added to the tax rolls.
highhopes on February 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM
Medicare folks have to watch the docs and hospitals on this front…and it’s not easy. They both suggest this or that test or small procedure and not being physicians one is never sure whether to agree to it or not. I have never figured out whether it is protection from law suit or an effort to soak the government and the patient…or just plain extra thorough medicine!! A big puzzle. Mostly though, if I figure ‘it ain’t broke’ or it seems like a lot of useless hassle I turn it down. My personal rule of thumb. :)
jeanie on February 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM
With Medicare broke and broken, the Democrats want us to take another flier on National health Care.
In Medicare we have an example of government failure on a health care plan for seniors, yet people like Jimbo3 think it’s all good to expand government health care.
Unbelievable! How about fixing Medicare first.
donh525 on February 25, 2010 at 9:54 AM
As I understand Ed’s post (which makes sense to me), this 6 hour summit ends up looking like a lose/lose scenario for Obama and the Congressional Dems. No matter what the outcome, Obama and the Dems look even worse than they do now. So, is Obama, and his staff, REALLY THIS incompetent? I guess we’ll see in a short time.
JimP on February 25, 2010 at 9:54 AM
Jimbo3 on February 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM
Who gives a hot damn what’s in the Democrat plan?
They keep saying “it’s the framework”.
I don’t want “the framework”.
Because we know from past experience, once these lying weasel Democrats put a program in plan, it magically expands into areas and means that were never part of the original legislation, subject to legalistic gibberish as interpreted by sympathetic government agencies.
Screw the details, the “framework” is the target.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2010 at 9:54 AM
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