Ron Paul grills Bernanke: Wasn’t the Fed involved with Saddam and in Watergate?

posted at 6:33 pm on February 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

The CPAC straw poll winner explains it all to you. This isn’t the strangest conspiracy theory he’s ever dropped on the Fed, but it’s a nice peg for David Harsanyi’s column this morning on the rEVOLution’s persistent delusion that Paul is the future of conservatism.

Let’s, for a moment, forget Paul (and how I wish this could be a permanent condition, considering the congressman is neither a serious politician nor—and I can’t stress this enough—a serious thinker)…

Paul isn’t a traditional conservative. His obsession with long-decided monetary policy and isolationism are not his only half-baked crusades. Paul’s newsletters of the ’80s and ’90s were filled with anti-Semitic and racist rants, proving his slumming in the ugliest corners of conspiracyland today is no mistake.

Perhaps the greatest tragedy of Paul is that thousands of intellectually curious young people will have read his silly books, including End the Fed, as serious manifestoes. Though you wouldn’t know it by listening to Paul or reading his words, libertarians do have genuine ideas that conservatives might embrace.

The line about anti-semitic and racist rants naturally prompted an angry backlash from the doctor’s cult, for which Harsanyi was well prepared. As for the clip, it’s worth watching mostly for Bernanke’s response — and for Barney Frank’s, who may be goofing on Paul in saying the committee will pursue his inquiry or may not. I’m guessing it’s the former given the uncontrollable giggling by the congressman on the left side of the screen.

Your exit quotation comes from one of Paul’s three Republican challengers (yes, really) in Texas: “Ron Paul is literally the most ineffective member of Congress… He talks about ending the IRS, ending the Fed, (restoring) the gold standard. But we’re not going back to the gold standard anytime soon. Why don’t we talk about reducing taxation, reducing legislation, cutting spending in Washington?”

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Ron Paul 2012:
Admit it. It would be hilarious.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Are we talking about the same,”Hitler did some bad things, probably” Dean?

thomasaur on February 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Yeah… I remember something about that. Do you have the link?

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:49 PM

1.
Wow. Rush has educated you very poorly. Article 1 Section 8. Go read it. Which body has the authority to coin money and regulate the value thereof? Think…..

2. Alan Greenspan and the rest of his fed cronies created the entire economic crisis with zero interest money. It created numerous bubbles and spurred malinvestment, most notably in the housing realm.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 7:42 PM

1. Yes, Article 1 section 8 is abused, but im looking online and it gives congress the power to regulate both interstate commerce and coining/valuing/regulation of money. it’s not a huge leap to move to interest rates.

but you still havent answered why THIS pet project is the WORST THING EVAH

2. you’re kidding right? so all those GOLD STANDARD times were just peachy keen? just type “Panic of” into google and don’t even hit enter… look at ALLLLLL those “18something” years.

what caused those financial panics and crises?

dude, bubbles happen. businesses fail. things are cyclical. im not convinced that greenspan (another jew, imagine that!) has created worse conditions b/c of fed lending. the economic growth of the 1990s in the housing market alone created fantastic wealth that was invested in new business, R&D, and technology. while the housing values didnt hold up, the dollars MADE off that run (invested somewhere else) are part of the reason why we have better technology in medicine, communication, and computing.

convince me of the evil of alan greenspan.

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:49 PM

It’s somewhere in HA archives and I ain’t lookin’ for it.

thomasaur on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

He’s an anti-semite. Book closed. Never cared to look further than that.

rrpjr on February 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM

What’s your argument that he is? Because of his poor decisions on who to associate himself with? If that’s the case, I’m a socialist – yikes!!!

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Can’t understand why Glenn Beck has Ron Paul on the show every now and again as some sort of voice of reason. Very irritating, considering I’m a big fan of his anti-progressive crusade.

J.J. Sefton on February 24, 2010 at 7:52 PM

It’s somewhere in HA archives and I ain’t lookin’ for it.

thomasaur on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Well, I’ll keep my eyes open…

Honestly, I think Dean could do more to work together with those that he does have some common ground with. He could probably worship at the feet of RP a little less. That said, at least he’s not Sp@thi.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:52 PM

but of all the members of Congress I believe only he has his country’s best interests at heart.

This cultish black-and-white thinking is not healthy, man.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 7:52 PM

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:40 PM

The pioneers of the modern liberty movement were Jewish: Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Without the Jews, there is no libertarianism today and there also would be no RP presidential campaign. While I’ve been as critical as anyone at much of the current Jewish community’s stance in favor of Bush and their actions against Paul, it’s hard to forget the legacy of Mises et al. It’s more frustration than anything, regarding the current Israel situation, for me.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Ron Paul 2012:

Because if we pull the covers over our heads, our enemies disappear

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Ron Paul 2012:
“You did it! You blew it up! Damn you all to hell!”

SagebrushPuppet on February 24, 2010 at 7:55 PM

It’s more frustration than anything, regarding the current Israel situation, for me.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM

what situation? we support israel, they support us.

we also have 6 million jews in america, and 230? million christians in america that has half a bible talking about jews, and of those probably 100million evangelical christians that think God has CALLED them to protect the jews in israel.

you can’t figure out why we support them?

that’s the problem?

maybe i misunderstand…

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM

So are you supporting Schiff? I’m not trying to get you to disprove your Antisemitism. I’m honestly curious if he meets the RP standards.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM

much of the current Jewish community’s stance in favor of Bush

Yeah. Because if there’s one generalization we can all agree upon about the jews, it’s that they’re pro-Bush.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Jewish writer Rothbard was even more critical than me of U.S. actions in WW2.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Ron Paul 2012:
“You did it! You blew it up! Damn you all to hell!”

SagebrushPuppet on February 24, 2010 at 7:55 PM

LOL +1


“Ron Paul 2012:

Because Americans need a challenge.

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Ron Paul 2012:
So we can finally answer the question “Who really shot Lincoln?”

SagebrushPuppet on February 24, 2010 at 7:58 PM

you can’t figure out why we support them?

Yeah, really. We support the one pro-American democracy in the middle east. I can’t imagine why. It must be a conspiracy! Bring back the gold standard!!!!!!

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 7:58 PM

that’s the problem?

maybe i misunderstand…

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM

On this, I agree with you… however, I can’t think of a log of libertarians that support our support of Israel. It’s kind of against Libertarian Philosophy. Kind of one reason I don’t consider myself l/Libertarian.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Yeah, really. We support the one pro-American democracy in the middle east. I can’t imagine why. It must be a conspiracy! Bring back the gold standard!!!!!!

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Ron, is that you?!>?!?!?!?

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM

however, I can’t think of a log of libertarians that support our support of Israel. It’s kind of against Libertarian Philosophy. Kind of one reason I don’t consider myself l/Libertarian.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM

would they rather us support SOMEONE ELSE?

or would they rather us support NO ONE AT ALL?

what do they say about our support via aid and weapons to Kuwait, or Egypt, or South Korea, or POland….

serious questions.

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 8:00 PM

*a lot

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 8:00 PM

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM

So are you supporting Schiff? I’m not trying to get you to disprove your Antisemitism. I’m honestly curious if he meets the RP standards.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM

I support Peter Schiff, and he is popular among RP fans, and Walter Block is another very good Jewish libertarian writer.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Jewish writer Rothbard was even more critical than me of U.S. actions in WW2.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM

So why are you critical of US actions in WW2? Many of the Paul supporters I’ve come into contact with share your point of view on this, but I’d like to hear your reasons. I will have to step away for a couple hours shortly, so won’t be able to reply, but will make a point to check back later tonight.

stldave on February 24, 2010 at 8:01 PM

or would they rather us support NO ONE AT ALL?

what do they say about our support via aid and weapons to Kuwait, or Egypt, or South Korea, or POland….

serious questions.

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 8:00 PM

From what I’ve seen, “no one at all” seems to rank highest in libertarian circles. They make some reasonable arguments based on national sovereignty and they tend to be non-aggressors. I don’t agree with taking an oath of non-aggression – just keeping it to a minimum.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM

The Dean, short form: “Some of my best friends are Jewish!”

I don’t know if he’s anti-semitic or not; I don’t really care. But this conversation is getting silly.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 8:04 PM

I disagree with inflation as a policy and with it’s hand in hand routine deficit spending. However, after that Paul goes off the rails, makes unsupported allegations, and loses coherency.

AnotherOpinion on February 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Paul is running ads in his district claiming he invented the Tea Parties, dirtbag

jp on February 24, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Thanks to Ron Paul and his zombie drones, a sputtering fool like Barney’s Frank is laughing at us.

RobCon on February 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Good thing I saw this clip AFTER I was at CPAC because then I would have had words with the glassy eyed creepy twerp
Paulistians.

RobCon on February 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Truth to the Watergate story.

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/123737.html

megak on February 24, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Yep, the Fed was on the Grassy Knoll, too. _

Sekhmet on February 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM

2. you’re kidding right? so all those GOLD STANDARD times were just peachy keen? just type “Panic of” into google and don’t even hit enter… look at ALLLLLL those “18something” years.

what caused those financial panics and crises?

Any time a major new discovery of gold or silver was made, it created a bubble in the exact same way the Fed does when the Fed screws up. Proponents of a specie standard say that the rate of increase in the supply of specie is tied roughly to the overall rate of increase in economic production, but the actual experience was that it was a feast-or-famine kind of thing, and there were periods of falling prices interspersed with periods of inflation.

The other argument made by those advocating a metallic standard is that it takes the control of money supply out of the hands of the government. Ironically, Paul’s bill to audit the Fed would take control of our money supply out of the hands of politically-disinterested persons and put it in the hands of Congress.

Even with a metallic standard, the inflation of the money supply Mr. Paul (Doctor is a title of respect he doesn’t deserve, medical license or no) fears can still be achieved by increases in foreign lending (as caused the housing boom of 2003-2007 despite the Fed’s efforts to cut off new monetary creation domestically) or by decreases in banks’ reserve ratios (which would likely happen if banks were regulated less, as evidenced by the investment house debacle of 2007).

hicsuget on February 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM

I believe this is the sort of thing Ron Paul is looking at, via the Globalsecurity archives which is Rep. Gonzalez looking at BNL and its financing of Iraq and other Nations. What happened (if memory serves) is that one of the individuals inside BNL was connected to BCCI and was running a separate set of books inside the BNL institution (‘a bank within a bank’) and the Federal Reserve was less than forthcoming about what it knew of these transactions.

Those questions never were answered as Sen. John Kerry, of longface fame, had this fall into part of his BCCI investigation which the Democrats promptly dropped when Clinton got into office, with very few investigations happening in the way of either BCCI (as it collapsed) or BNL’s role in the use of the Dept. of Agriculture’s credit program for money/goods swaps to Iraq.

What is interesting is the number of members of both parties (outside the Keating Five) who were involved with BCCI… folks like Jimmy Carter and Bert Lance come to mind… along with a few Clintonites who would then have their fun with the associates of the Lippo Group in Indonesia. Funny how names very familiar keep appearing in the BCCI, BNL and Lippo scandals and yet you have two D and two R administrations and a change of Congress back and forth over those two decades.

You don’t need a conspiracy to get a confluence of interests. And since the names of a number of well known international criminals and terrorists also get on the BCCI, BNL and Lippo scandals attached to members of both parties, you do really wonder what happens to these nasty scandals that never get looked at.

You don’t need the Federal Reserve for that.

But its oversight, or lack thereof, does play a role.

As does partisan politics. Funny how the partisans swap out often enough to help end the investigations into the previous guys in charge. You would think that things these bozos pound the table over when the other guy is doing it would be worth investigating to get to the bottom of things. Of course that bottom might not be in just one party or with one set of actors. But if you yell about each other loud enough you will forget that the stuff never does get investigated fully…. just lovely reports filed, and forgotten.

ajacksonian on February 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM

oh allah don’t hate the player (ron beat Mitt ROFLMAO) hate the game

Mitt lost to ron Paul…. LOL

unseen on February 24, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Truth to the Watergate story.

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/123737.html

megak on February 24, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Nixon may have been set up because he opposed to GATT. Kissinger, Haig and Elsberg all set up tricky Dick because he wouldn’t take the plunge.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 8:21 PM

I’ll say this for him, he sure brings out the entertainment…

Sharr on February 24, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Regarding Ron Paul, I just received a tweet from Barney Fife:

“He’s a nut”

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on February 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM

I’ll say this for him, he sure brings out the entertainment…

Sharr on February 24, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Carnies are a lot of fun. Not the sharpest knives but fun none the less.

thomasaur on February 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM

Conspiracy theorists are losers. Their convoluted stories give them an excuse for their own failures. Here’s what you must figure out to make it in the USA: Your job is to observe what the power structure does, and use it to your advantage to accumulate wealth, which gives you independence. This can be done in all circumstances.

This requires critical thinking, risk-taking and sometimes
hard work, so maybe that’s not as interesting as sitting around telling conspiracy stories and playing victim. Whoops, gotta go, my wife (retired at 53) says dinner is ready.

Meremortal on February 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Carnies are a lot of fun. Not the sharpest knives but fun none the less.

thomasaur on February 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM

Eh… Sp@thi gets old after 3 posts… especially when he posts RP stuff on random threads demanding we discuss… Actually, come to think of it, even the trolls haven’t been living up to my expectations lately… We’ll need an open registration soon… kind of like restocking the pond.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM

… We’ll need an open registration soon… kind of like restocking the pond.
MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM

I called for that right after Salem took over. No luck yet…

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 8:32 PM

He used to accuse Bush senior of running drugs with the CIA…This lunatic has been raving for decades and Texas keeps inflicting him upon us…

Nozzle on February 24, 2010 at 8:37 PM

1. Yes, Article 1 section 8 is abused, but im looking online and it gives congress the power to regulate both interstate commerce and coining/valuing/regulation of money. it’s not a huge leap to move to interest rates.

but you still havent answered why THIS pet project is the WORST THING EVAH

Keynesian economics is more or less theft, via currency manipulation. American leaders, dating back to Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson have warned us of acquiescing our monetary freedom to these money masters. Remember what Reagan’s Grace Commission revealed? Nearly all of our federal tax dollars goes towards the interest on the debt as opposed to funding roads, services, etc. It’s limitless cycle of slavery, which ultimately ends with a destitute populace.

2. you’re kidding right? so all those GOLD STANDARD times were just peachy keen? just type “Panic of” into google and don’t even hit enter… look at ALLLLLL those “18something” years.

what caused those financial panics and crises?

dude, bubbles happen. businesses fail. things are cyclical. im not convinced that greenspan (another jew, imagine that!) has created worse conditions b/c of fed lending. the economic growth of the 1990s in the housing market alone created fantastic wealth that was invested in new business, R&D, and technology. while the housing values didnt hold up, the dollars MADE off that run (invested somewhere else) are part of the reason why we have better technology in medicine, communication, and computing.

convince me of the evil of alan greenspan.

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

We need a basket of competing currencies or a digital gold standard. Secondly, you stress that all this “wealth” was created when no such thing occurred. True Wealth is created via tangible activities, not via a printing press. Now that the spigot have been shut off and the equity markets have turned a blind eye to the irresponsible United States, we’ll see how well an economy heavily dependent on consumer spending (approximately 70%) moves ahead.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 8:37 PM

believe this is the sort of thing Ron Paul is looking at, via the Globalsecurity archives

umm
Who gave miltary aid to Saddam ?

William Amos on February 24, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Pitchforker:

Nixon may have been set up because he opposed to GATT.

Maybe. Or maybe, just maybe, Nixon got “set up” because he stupidly got caught breaking the law.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Anything is possible…Just think, we elected Bozo the clown in 2008. An empty suit promising hope and change…

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

bluegrass on February 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Maybe. Or maybe, just maybe, Nixon got “set up” because he stupidly got caught breaking the law.

Wouldn’t you think that a sitting President would have the power to silence the Washington Post? Game changing stories get “killed” at the editorial level all the time. Just look at the John Edwards saga.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Does Paul still write for Stormfront?

Hummer53 on February 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Wouldn’t you think that a sitting President would have the power to silence the Washington Post?

Yeah, George W. Bush’s ability to silence his critics was legendary.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 8:46 PM

The WaPo hated Nixon and he was a Republican.

thomasaur on February 24, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Ron Paul is always prepared.

mizflame98 on February 24, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Honestly, I don’t think the Dean is anti-Jewish. This is a little unfair.
MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Hate is a strong word. I don’t personally hate Jews, I just detest their behavior, especially the hardline neoconservative factions in Israel and the U.S.A. that have completely taken over our foreign policy and military policy. And of course I’m a Christian. Who said otherwise?

The Dean on March 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

runner on February 24, 2010 at 9:03 PM

The CPAC straw poll winner explains it all to you. This isn’t the strangest conspiracy theory he’s ever dropped on the Fed, but it’s a nice peg for David Harsanyi’s column this morning on the rEVOLution’s persistent delusion that Paul is the future of conservatism.

…yeah…saw this on FoxBiz this AM….

…apologies to any Paul-ites out there (lovely people), but when I heard this I didn’t think Mr. P the future of conservatism…he seemed at the moment more like the future of manned space flight….

…any time a congressman can make the panel he’s attending look more reasoned and rational than he is, and when Barney Frank’s chairing the panel, it’s time for said congressman to reach behind him with both hands and try to see if he can find his *ss…no time limits….

…the man is the Lyndon LaRouche of the new millenium….

Puritan1648 on February 24, 2010 at 9:14 PM

He used to accuse Bush senior of running drugs with the CIA…This lunatic has been raving for decades and Texas keeps inflicting him upon us…

Nozzle on February 24, 2010 at 8:37 PM

…hey, Hey, HEY…don’t blame Texas…he’s a congressman, not a senator…it’s a more localized insanity….

…you can’t blame all of California for Pelosi…all of New York, or even all of New York City, for Wrangel…all of Massachusetts for either Markey or Frank….

…OK…a good excuse could be made for blaming Mass for Frank, but it’d be unkind….

Puritan1648 on February 24, 2010 at 9:23 PM

People take a weird comfort in conspiracy theories. To me, believing those theories would be terrifying, but they do turn a chaotic world into an ordered one where everything happens for a reason, and I guess some people need to believe that.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 9:25 PM

But…but I thought CPAC was the very pulse of America!

Noel on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 PM

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

I knew there’d be a few uninformed “prove he’s anti-semite froth froth” responses. Re-read the post, there’s a link to the response.

You’re as bad as the blind Obama supporters who will refuse to see any evidence of wrong-doing or poor behavior or stupid actions on the part of Obama. You’ve just chosen an anti-semitic conspiracy theory crank to follow around. Congrats.

Midas on February 24, 2010 at 9:39 PM

HuffPost covers how the Federal Reserve financed Saddam and Watergate

Professor Bob Auerbach of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin (and an economist at the House Financial Services Committee for eleven years assisting in oversight of the Federal Reserve) brought these issues to light in a book published by a university press:

In Deception and Abuse at the Fed, Robert Auerbach, a former banking committee investigator, recounts major instances of Fed mismanagement and abuse of power that were exposed by Rep. Gonzalez, including:

* Blocking Congress and the public from holding powerful Fed officials accountable by falsely declaring–for 17 years–it had no transcripts of its meetings;
* Manipulating the stock and bond markets in 1994 under cover of a preemptive strike against inflation;
* Allowing 5.5 billion to be sent to Saddam Hussein from a small Atlanta branch of a foreign bank–the result of faulty bank examination practices by the Fed;
* Stonewalling Congressional investigations and misleading the Washington Post about the6,300 found on the Watergate burglars.

Spathi on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Ron Paul 2012
Because two submarines is all the defense we need

Bleed_thelizard on February 24, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Spathi on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Thank God! you found the right thread. Good weed, eh?

AUINSC on February 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Moveon.org supports Paul with lots and lots of untraceable donations…He is the enemy within…

Nozzle on February 24, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Does Paul still write for Stormfront?

Hummer53 on February 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Modern day Julius Streicher, that Ron Paul.

9/11 =s the Reichstag Fire.

NoDonkey on February 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Spathi! We were worried. Next time, call.

katy the mean old lady on February 24, 2010 at 10:16 PM

I knew there’d be a few uninformed “prove he’s anti-semite froth froth” responses. Re-read the post, there’s a link to the response.

You’re as bad as the blind Obama supporters who will refuse to see any evidence of wrong-doing or poor behavior or stupid actions on the part of Obama. You’ve just chosen an anti-semitic conspiracy theory crank to follow around. Congrats.

Midas on February 24, 2010 at 9:39 PM

I don’t have a problem with any religion. I’m simply against the ad homenim attacks from Jewish publications against Paul and the hardline philosophy.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM

Hmm..

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/123737.html

Of course we won’t bail out Greece, thats silly.

WE will give the IMF billions of tax dollars and THEY will bail out Greece.

numbeddown on February 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM

don’t have a problem with any religion. I’m simply against the ad homenim attacks from Jewish publications against Paul and the hardline philosophy.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM

Hot Air is Jewish? Dang, I thought we were gay.

katy the mean old lady on February 24, 2010 at 10:55 PM

See! There is no precedent for government to partake in illicit money transfers and/or utilize front corporations to facilitate certain foreign policy goals. Ron Paul is clearly a kook! I don’t know where he could get these fantastical ideas when there simply not possible. Our government and it’s branches are above the megalomaniac urges Lord Acton described. Right?

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/19/world/the-iran-contra-report-what-the-enterprise-was.html?pagewanted=1

Borrowing a term from Richard V. Secord, a retired Air Force major general, the Iran-contra report repeatedly refers to ”the Enterprise,” the organization of men, equipment, corporations and bank accounts created to conduct the business of selling arms to Iran and distributing the profits, some of them to the contras.

By the summer of 1986, according to the report, ”the Enterprise” had this scope: ”The organization that Richard Secord ran at Lieut. Col. Oliver North’s direction controlled five aircraft, including C-123 and C-7 transports. It had an airfield in one country, warehouse facilities at an air base in another, a stockpile of guns and military equipment to drop by air to the contras and secure communications equipment obtained by North from the National Security Agency.”

General Secord first described ”the Enterprise” simply as the group of offshore companies that carried out the Iran arms transfer and contra supply operations.

To Albert Hakim, General Secord’s partner, the report says, ”the Enterprise was a covert organization with a chain of command headed by North; it was also a business with a chain of Swiss accounts that he set up and partially owned.”

Later, the report says, General Secord testified ”that it was fair to describe the Enterprise as his own covert operations organization,” formed at the request of Colonel North and Rear Adm. John M. Poindexter, the President’s national security adviser.

Colonel North described the network as a private commercial organization, the reports says, but also states that ”it was the starting point for the creation of an organization that would conduct activities similar to those of the Central Intelligence Agency, including counterterrorism.”

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM

No, you’re right. There are code words used by some leftists – especially European/South American leftists in my experience. Maybe these code words extend to other groups. I’d just say that there are fair criticisms of Jews, Jewish organizations, and such. Same goes for any group.

MeatHeadinCA on February 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Fair criticisms of Joooos?!?!?!?! Generalize much?

The pioneers of the modern liberty movement were Jewish: Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Without the Jews, there is no libertarianism today and there also would be no RP presidential campaign. While I’ve been as critical as anyone at much of the current Jewish community’s stance in favor of Bush and their actions against Paul, it’s hard to forget the legacy of Mises et al. It’s more frustration than anything, regarding the current Israel situation, for me.
The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM

What?!?!?!?! Ron Paul is an anti-Israel consistently which makes him an anti-semite. Yeah, that’s right, if you are anti-Israel you hate Jews. And you are so ignorant about Jewish voters, because Jews vote overwhelmingly Democrat which means not pro-Bush.

In closing, I would like to say the two you can eat sh-t and die, since you are both obviously Jew-hating bast-rds.

Andy in Agoura Hills on February 24, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Just to respond to one point of Harsanyi’s trashy hit piece (which is, frankly, to give it more attention than it deserves):

Though you wouldn’t know it by listening to Paul or reading his words, libertarians do have genuine ideas that conservatives might embrace.

Beltway insider quasi-libertarian types have been deluding themselves for decades into thinking the Big Two will embrace libertarian ideas. We’ve seen the success of that, which is squat.

Then in 2007, a mild-mannered Congressman from Texas pushes a full liberty agenda and the libertarian plus traditional conservative movement increases at least tenfold. Ron Paul has done more to promote the philosophy of liberty than every one of Harsanyi’s friends at Reason Magazine combined.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 11:14 PM

People take a weird comfort in conspiracy theories. To me, believing those theories would be terrifying, but they do turn a chaotic world into an ordered one where everything happens for a reason, and I guess some people need to believe that.

sandberg on February 24, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Conservatives were at one time guardedly misanthropic, thanks to their intimate knowledge of events which preceded them. But since the day political parties morphed into the equivalent of following one’s favorite sport team, self-criticism has flown out the proverbial window. None of these politicians at the upper tier are OUR FRIENDS. That’s the whole function of the game they play. Secondly, you’re gullible enough to project your noble traits upon others when that’s not the case. Take for example, the duplicity we encounter in the social interaction of our day-to-day lives. Multiply that by 1000 when you’re dealing with a blue blood who believes it’s his inherent right to dominate his fellow man because his prey was born to be subjugated.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 11:15 PM

I don’t personally hate Jews, I just detest their behavior, especially the hardline neoconservative factions in Israel and the U.S.A. that have completely taken over our foreign policy and military policy. And of course I’m a Christian. Who said otherwise?

The Dean on March 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM

F–k you a–hole.

Andy in Agoura Hills on February 24, 2010 at 11:15 PM

What?!?!?!?! Ron Paul is an anti-Israel consistently which makes him an anti-semite. Yeah, that’s right, if you are anti-Israel you hate Jews.

He’s neutral in that region, not anti-Israel. That includes decreasing Egypt foreign aid, as well.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 11:17 PM

The problem that some neoconservatives have with Ron Paul is the same problem the Left has with the Right. Both make charges of racism, (or in this case, anti-Semitism), both say they are dangerous, or stupid, or too radical.

But the problem with America now, and for the last 40 years, is not that it is too right-wing, but that it is far too left. If I am going to err by supporting someone who is not ideal, I’m going to err and go right, not left. Unfortunately, there are plenty of so-called conservatives who would rather go left. They fear the far-right, and are much more comfortable with lefties like Obama, or liberal GOPers, than with someone who would really walk the right-wing walk. They may be somewhat conservative in many areas, but they are no more right-wing than Keith Olbermann.

This is what Ronald Reagan had to say of Ron Paul.

keep the change on February 24, 2010 at 11:18 PM

This is what Ronald Reagan had to say of Ron Paul.

keep the change on February 24, 2010 at 11:18 PM

Ronald Reagan was a Ron Paulite before he drifted to the left.

The Dean on February 24, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Ronald Reagan was a Ron Paulite before he drifted to the left.

Until David Rockefeller saddled him with the elder Bush. And for the record, the elder Bush despised Reagan and I suspect Reagan didn’t like Bush very much. It was an arranged marriage.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 11:23 PM

The last great conservative leader we had was Goldwater and for that they tried to crucify him with false charges of racism and warmongering. He spit in the face of the Rockefeller clan and the CFR. God bless the man. Goldie went down fighting against this scum until he died.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 11:26 PM

See! There is no precedent for government to partake in illicit money transfers and/or utilize front corporations to facilitate certain foreign policy goals. Ron Paul is clearly a kook!

False dichotomy.

None of these politicians at the upper tier are OUR FRIENDS.

Except, of course, for THE ONE MAN WHO CAN SAVE AMERICA.

Anyhow, have a good night.

sandberg on February 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Except, of course, for THE ONE MAN WHO CAN SAVE AMERICA.

Anyhow, have a good night.

Paul is a small fish. Where is the big money behind Ron Paul? What international organizations is he a member of? Until recently, the Ron Paul ‘caucus consisted of one person. What has happened is that he’s been vindicated by the recent turn of events, in relation to the Fed’s malfeasance and the wasteful nature of our foreign policy. Ron Paul is the same person he was 25 years ago. That says alot.

Pitchforker on February 25, 2010 at 12:05 AM

F–k you a–hole.

Andy in Agoura Hills on February 24, 2010 at 11:15 PM

I don’t think that this is the most effective response to an anti-Semite. This forum favors us. We should address larger issues and provide insights that will please the vast majority of the readers.

Think Big Picture!

thuja on February 25, 2010 at 12:31 AM

Ok, he’s nuts, but tell me what he is wrong about in the first 1:50 of his speech?

Tim Burton on February 25, 2010 at 12:40 AM

Paul’s claims aren’t that outlandish. Where there is smoke there is fire:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/02/its-time-for-apology-to-ron-paul.html

Interesting that Paul is painting the Federal Reserve as being “above the law”, when they do partake in odd transactions from time to time.

Pitchforker on February 25, 2010 at 12:47 AM

More. I bolded the most revealing parts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/14/opinion/follow-the-money.html?pagewanted=1

But there is another line of questioning officials might pursue — one that depends less on the cooperation of Mr. Hussein than on the assistance of the United States Federal Reserve Bank. Among Mr. Hussein’s possessions when he was captured was three-quarters of a million dollars in United States currency in crisp new bills. Whence came the gentleman’s stash?

Answering this question would help our understanding of terrorist financial networks. And if the cash is sequentially numbered, as is likely, then the question could be easily answered.

All United States currency is printed by the United States Mint, to the order of one of the 12 banks of the Federal Reserve system. It comes into circulation through a bank that has an account at the Fed for which it was printed. The Fed deducts the face value of the bills from that account, and an armored car takes them to their new owner.

That regional Federal Reserve Bank keeps a record that identifies the purchasing bank. And the purchaser knows how it disposed of the bills. When they are found all together, it means that the bank that bought the bills did not feed them out from the teller window or the cash machine, but delivered them to a single customer.

And the bank knows who that customer was. Between, say, Philadelphia and Iraq, there is no doubt a chain, perhaps involving banks in the Cayman or Channel Islands, in Abu Dhabi or Dubai. Still, each bank in the chain can give the name of the customer to which it gave these bills.

Although Saddam Hussein’s government had many sanctions against it, it may well be that no laws were broken in the passage of the Federal Reserve notes from the mint to Tikrit. But it would be interesting to know which banks were collaborators in getting that cash to the tyrant of Iraq.

Unfortunately, the search for these witting or unwitting collaborators cannot even get started, because the Federal Reserve Board will not permit regional banks to reveal the identity of the purchasers of large blocks of United States currency. There is no law that prohibits such disclosure; it’s simply a Fed policy. Yet in this age of payroll services and electronic payments, there are few legitimate uses outside the banking system for very large orders of hundred-dollar bills.

Pitchforker on February 25, 2010 at 12:50 AM

A guy by the name of Milton Friedman also wanted to do away with the FED. Paul may be a cook and he may or may not be right, but Bernake is definitely lying.

lilium on February 25, 2010 at 3:52 AM

I don’t support RP in any way. However, NO aspect of our government should be free of COMPLETE oversight. I do support elimination of the Fed. All of their functions can and should be performed by the Treasury, not by a group of unknown bankers that are permitted to keep their operations secret… that stand to profit from those very operations.

Even the CIA is subject to oversight. The Fed made record profits in 2009. They turn over a significant portion to the Treasury, but they also keep a healthy slice. In 2009, they made $52.1B and turned over $46.1B. Now you may think that paltry $5B is peanuts, but ask yourself exactly WHAT they had at risk? How much of their OWN capital was invested? Exactly ZERO. How much did the “owners” other banking interests profit from the actions of the Fed? Sorry… you’re not permitted to know even who they are.

They have over 2 trillion on their books that WE provided and are responsible for. However, when Bernanke was quizzed about about ONE “off books” transaction of 9 trillion in congress, he simply stonewalled and gave no answer. We don’t know who the money went to or why.

Call me crazy but I think we should know every single detail…. especially when WE are the ones on the hook as guarantors of their actions. It’s no coincidence that the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Act took place at the same time.

CC

CapedConservative on February 25, 2010 at 5:54 AM

Leave it to knee jerk, dog whistle Hot Air to miss the single most important facet of Paul’s time. Thankfully, another crank, Karl Denninger captures it and hopefully spells it out clearly enough for you pom pom partisans. We can be secretly buying debt from foreign entities and putting it onto The Fed balance sheet. Nobody knows – nobody will know.
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2003-Repeal-Of-Law-Needed-NOW.html

rhodeymark on February 25, 2010 at 6:26 AM

and for Barney Frank’s, who may be goofing on Paul in saying the committee will pursue his inquiry or may not. I’m guessing it’s the former given the uncontrollable giggling by the congressman on the left side of the screen.

Do you mean corinne brown, the mentally retarded congresswoman from Florida? I’ve had the pleasure of witnessing her stupidity up close and personal on several occassions so it seems odd that her bizarre giggling is a source of support for your arguement.

Make no mistake, ron paul is a wack job. But that fact is used by bernanke and frank to mock him while skirting the real point of paul’s question. Why are these self annointed northeastern elitists in control of the American people’s money and able to do anything they want with impunity? We are in the mess we are now because of the actions of frank and his toadies and the actions of the fed. Plain and simple. I’d like to see what greenspan’s retirement package looks like but I don’t remember that being released to the public. And tools in the media go right along with the game of covering for the real criminals in this country.

allah uses barney frank and an idiot to support his positions.

peacenprosperity on February 25, 2010 at 7:54 AM

Nobody knows – nobody will know.

allah doesn’t care. The champion of his community made a remark that made a moron giggle.

peacenprosperity on February 25, 2010 at 7:55 AM

Milton Friedman also wanted to do away with the FED

No, he supported a Central bank for the same reasoning that the Founders either did or agreed to down the road. Its more important now that we don’t fall under the British Umbrella the way we use to.

There is a difference in acknowledging a prudent real world need for it, while separating the stupidity of Congresses mandate to them to lower unemployment.

jp on February 25, 2010 at 9:36 AM

He just goes off the tracks, doesn’t he?
(facepalm)

The sad thing is I see no evidence of any of his competitors in the primary here in TX-14. There are no radio ads, no signs, nothing.

Am I gonna have to vote for the Dem in November? (double face palm)

BobOfTexas on February 25, 2010 at 9:44 AM

I saw the Paul-Bernanke confrontation live and thought, “WTH?!?”

I’ve been an admirer of Ron Paul in the past, including the recent past, but, yes, he’s gone off the rails and is now hurting the cause more than helping.

WannabeAnglican on February 25, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Paul made the statements that we DON’T KNOW what the Fed is doing WITH OUR MONEY! He got Bernanke to say at the end that yes, indeed after the act of 1980, the Fed can give loans to help bail out Greece without the approval of Congress.

ThackerAgency on February 24, 2010 at 7:16 PM

You are correct. This was the whole point of the questioning. Paul is wrong on many things, but his economics is often spot-on.

riverrat10k on February 25, 2010 at 10:04 AM

It’s truly is frightening how certain so-called conservatives have suspended their thirst for knowledge and completely ignored the criminal cartel which is the Federal Reserve. It’s unconstitutional for one and secondly it was planned by a diverse group of prominent industrialists and bankers under the guidance of Edward Mandell House & Nelson Aldrich. The ignorance in this place is astounding.

Pitchforker on February 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Excellent post!

riverrat10k on February 25, 2010 at 10:08 AM

battleoflepanto1571 on February 24, 2010 at 7:38 PM

I think questioning why a private banking cartel is allowed to charge interest to the American taxpayer is very pertinent.

riverrat10k on February 25, 2010 at 10:14 AM

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