Pew: Unions approval rating plummets

posted at 9:30 am on February 24, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The SEIU’s Andy Stern may still get his weekly tete-a-tete with the President’s staff, and the industry he represents may share something in common with the President besides a radical agenda.  A new poll by Pew Research shows that the labor movement’s popularity among Americans has plummeted over the last three years.  In January 2007, unions had a favorability gap of 27 points with a solid majority (58%) approving of them.  Today, that advantage has entirely dissipated:

Favorable views of labor unions have plummeted since 2007, amid growing public skepticism about unions’ purpose and power. Currently, 41% say they have a favorable opinion of labor unions while about as many (42%) express an unfavorable opinion. In January 2007, a clear majority (58%) had a favorable view of unions while just 31% had an unfavorable impression.

The latest nationwide survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Feb. 3-9 among 1,383 adults reached on cell phones and landlines, finds that favorable opinions of unions have fallen across demographic and partisan groups. Still, far more Democrats have favorable views of unions (56%) than do independents (38%) or Republicans (29%).

Last year, a Pew Research survey found a decline in the proportion of the public saying labor unions are necessary to protect working people, while more expressed concern about the power of unions. In April 2009, 61% agreed with the statement “labor unions are necessary to protect the working person,” down from 68% in 2007 and 74% in 2003. In the same survey, six-in-ten (61%) agreed that “labor unions have too much power,” up from 52% in 1999.

Both Rasmussen and Gallup polled on this question last summer, and had remarkably similar results.  Gallup reported that support for unions had dropped below 50% for the first time in its 72-year history of surveying on the question.  Both polls showed a 48% support level for unions, still a plurality.  Pew’s is the first to show a negative gap, although it’s statistically a virtual tie.

As with the previous polls, the damage has been done with independents.  Three years ago, even Republicans gave a plurality for support, 47/45.  That has been wiped out in an 18-point drop in support, perhaps not unexpectedly considering the tight alliance now between the unions and Democrats.  However, unions had a 20-point margin of support among independents three years ago at 54/34; now it’s 38/46, a 28-point flip in the gap.

The number among Democrats should be cause for worry not just among union leaders, but also Democratic Party leaders as well.  Unions still enjoy a majority support, but it’s a lot lower than it had been three years ago.  They have gone from a 51-point gap (70/19) to a 30-point gap (56/26) in an era where unions have begun dictating the massive agenda of the party.  Similarly, among black voters (who would be overwhelmingly Democrats), favorability has dropped from 75/19 to 59/26.  This suggests that the marriage between Democrats and unions has begun to feel a lot more tension — and if the unions fall out of favor, so may the radical Democratic leaders, such as Nancy Pelosi.

Another ominous note is the performance among seniors.  These voters remember the heyday of unions, when they existed to actually protect workers from abuses.  Three years ago, seniors overwhelmingly approved of unions, 60/28.  Today, they overwhelmingly disapprove, 29/51.  The 31-point drop in approval is the worst among the demographics, and it represents a staggering 54-point reversal in the gap.

None of this should be terribly surprising.  As mentioned earlier, the unions have enjoyed remarkable access to Congress and the White House, and has been intimately involved in the Democratic agenda.  Not only have they twisted arms in remarkably public fashion to get themselves tax breaks in the ObamaCare bill, they’ve campaigned for the last couple of years to eliminate the secret ballot and allow for similar arm-twisting in workplaces across America to force workers to pay union dues.  They have become much more about themselves and the Democratic Party than about the workers, which is why the only people supporting them are Democrats — and even they have begun to have second thoughts.

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People don’t like the bully’s who kick sand in their face.

right2bright on February 24, 2010 at 9:32 AM

When unions are seen beating people up, the people don’t like it? Shocking. After all, unions control two car companies now.

Jeff2161 on February 24, 2010 at 9:34 AM

That union exemption for the Cadillac tax might be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. When unions are perceived as nothing more than a special interest group, and one that’s screwing over nearly 90% of the workforce with its political payoffs, that’s not going to engender much support from the American people.

Doughboy on February 24, 2010 at 9:35 AM

People don’t like the bully’s who kick sand in their face.

right2bright on February 24, 2010 at 9:32 AM

or just kick their face

blatantblue on February 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Delicious. More, please.
About damned time.

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Unions are un-American.

beatcanvas on February 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM

If you’ve ever had to work in Chicago then you know what unions are all about. I set up a booth for a trade show once and I kid you not, I wasn’t allowed to run my own extension cords and plug them in, there was an on-site union guy whose sole job was doing exactly that, plugging cords into electrical jacks.

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

If they could force the approval ratings up by decree, they would.

Vashta.Nerada on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Thank you, UAW!

Thank you, AFSCME and the teacher’s unions, who were the beneficiaries of Porkulus!

Thank you, government workers everywhere who bit** and moan incessantly how you never seem to get enough of other people’s money.

Thank you, all.

DaydreamBeliever on February 24, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Imagine all the people
Living union-freeeeeee…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 9:39 AM

PEW to be picketed and made an offer they can’t refuse.

Monica on February 24, 2010 at 9:40 AM

1. Card check
2. Cadillac plan exemption
3. Using our borrowed money to give two of the big three domestic car makers to the UAW.

Each of these is worth 5 favorability points.

Vashta.Nerada on February 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Criminal thuggery is so out of fashion.

JammieWearingFool on February 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Thanks for giving this coverage Ed.
Watch Ca. closely folks; as Union members start to experience cut backs and massive layoffs, the anger and rage will likely boil over into a real dangerous situation. Arnold knows this, as do the rest of the progressives running that state into the ground.

Key word: unsustainable

Keemo on February 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Unions are un-American.

beatcanvas on February 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Anti-progress. Luddites wrecking looms.

misterpeasea on February 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM

My grandfather was on the side of Goverment Motors back in the 30′s and they HATED him. They wouldn’t even come to the table if he was in the room! They had to shuttle the proposals backand forth to another room. The times for unions are over; there are more than enough systems in place to protect workers today. Now they want to unionize the TSA? Are you freaking kidding me? Make it even harder to fire government workers??!? No. Unions are strangling our economy. The ONLY reason unions are still around is that the union BOSSES want to perpetuate them. Period.

Deckard on February 24, 2010 at 9:43 AM

If they could force the approval ratings up by decree, they would.

Vashta.Nerada on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

That’s pretty much what the purpose of card check is.

jwolf on February 24, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Unions served a purpose in the past

They no longer serve that purpose.

blatantblue on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Unions are a cancer, with one exception: when they kill the body, they don’t die with it.

spmat on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Oh, and BTW: My family will never buy anything from GM ever again. Ford refused to play with Obama and his band of thugs; for this reason, Ford gets my business.

Keemo on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

In the last year the unions have been front and center of so many controversial issues and to a lot of Americans have become the symbol of what is wrong in our manufacturing and even more glaring, government employees.

Most major cities and certainly more then a few states are now suffering the effects of these union pension plans for public workers. Nobody wants to deny public safety employees a decent pension, but what is getting folks attention, at least in the Atlanta area is the fact that they think they can raise the taxes on the rest of us to pay for their pension.

If the roles were reversed, I wonder how many public workers would react if I demanded that their contribute to my retirement plan? It was recently disclosed that a 20 year veteran of the APD at the rank of sargeant would receive a pension of $85K a year. That is his pension! Lately their pleas for pay increases are falling on more deaf ears.

The unions were front and center with the automaker bailout, and in the process revealed themselves as the power grabbing, money grubbing, parasites that they are.

The unions time has come and gone. No longer are they needed to ensure workplace safety or employees rights, all of those responsibilities having been absorbed by one government agency or another. It is time for them to go away.

Just A Grunt on February 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM

True story. I was helping to set up a convention in St. Louis. The Union Video Tech could not get a tape to look right in a VCR. (1997) I said, “You’re trying to play a S-VHS tape in a regular VCR.” The AV director of the Hotel had to run to the another affiliated property 30 minutes before the start of the program to grab a S-VHS machine. That tech got paid $45 an hour and did not have a clue.

kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Spend trillions we don’t have? Push for European democracy instead of constitutional republic?

Check CNN for coverage of how that’s working out for Greece. Left wing union riots to keep the bankrupt gravy train in place. They don’t care about the country, only the unions.

MarkT on February 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

I have a friend who had the exact same experience. In Chicago, too. Just insane.

entropent on February 24, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Oh, and BTW: My family will never buy anything from GM ever again. Ford refused to play with Obama and his band of thugs; for this reason, Ford gets my business.

Keemo on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Ditto!!! And I will continue to buy Toyotas, too.

NJ Red on February 24, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Good. Card Check was truly an awful idea. Maybe this will ensure it never passes.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Ford refused to play with Obama and his band of thugs; for this reason, Ford gets my business.

Well, Ford didn’t have to. It was completely under.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Unions are a cancer, with one exception: when they kill the body, they don’t die with it.

spmat on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

ZOMBIES!

entropent on February 24, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Can someone explain the right to work issue to me. I thought it was one thing, but a liberal tells me it is something else. How does this affect the worker say, in Kentucky or Alabama or wherever right to work laws are in play?

NJ Red on February 24, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Should never have been spawned. Can’t die quick enough.

OldEnglish on February 24, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Special interests had better start checking about how many lifeboats there are on the RMS Titanic Obama. Some are going down with the ship.

Yoop on February 24, 2010 at 9:51 AM

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:49 AM

What would we do without your crystal clear insight into business and health issues?

/sarc

cs89 on February 24, 2010 at 9:52 AM

NJ Red on February 24, 2010 at 9:50 AM

In closed shop states you have to join the union to get the job. In right to work states, and with the Federal government, they cannot force you.

entropent on February 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Toyotas all the waaaay, baby!

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Ford refused to play with Obama and his band of thugs; for this reason, Ford gets my business.

Well, Ford didn’t have to. It was completely under.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Under what?

forest on February 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM

wow what a shock. what’s on the comics today ed?

jbh45 on February 24, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Unions are quite simply COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS!

We have a community organizer as the most failed and unpopular President ever!

I will NOT buy union made if I can help it!

Autos? FORD or Foreign!

Anything else,
Chinese before Union!
The Chinese own us now anyway thanks to The Community Organizer and his Organizations!

dhunter on February 24, 2010 at 9:55 AM

I am still unsure of the meme “unions were needed once”.

They never were needed, even at the turn of the century. Unions have always been about power and payoffs – as it was over 100 years ago when many unions were forming.

Corruption, graft, artificial leverage and most importantly – absolute power that trumps laws.

See NYC teachers.

Odie1941 on February 24, 2010 at 9:55 AM

entropent on February 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Thank you. That is what I understood…serves me right for talking to a liberal about unions.

NJ Red on February 24, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Unions are the proximate cause for the lack of recovery in the Great Depression.
Their approval numbers can’t get low enough.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Some members have been conditioned to believe that unions provide all their benefits and they work for the union and not the company. It was a good idea when unions first started that went south when union leaders let the power go to their heads, and they found that they could live well off the backs of their members.

Kissmygrits on February 24, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Under what?

forest on February 24, 2010 at 9:53 AM

under water….bankrupt. They were in much better shape.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:56 AM

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Hi Anne, how are things going for you in Texas? We have had some rain back in Simi Valley this winter. Other than that all is about the same. You know, fighting a huge state budget deficit and all that interesting stuff…

Take care.

jbh45 on February 24, 2010 at 9:56 AM

SEIU = The military wing of the DNC.

rickyricardo on February 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Leeches, crooks and thugs. What’s not to like?

Dusty on February 24, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Hog dead…teat withered…better find a job…

winston on February 24, 2010 at 9:58 AM

With so many people unemployed, people have a dim view of “in your face” tactics from union members who perpetually lobby to be underemployed at exorbinate pay.

NoDonkey on February 24, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Can someone explain the right to work issue to me. I thought it was one thing, but a liberal tells me it is something else. How does this affect the worker say, in Kentucky or Alabama or wherever right to work laws are in play?

NJ Red on February 24, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Card check would have decimated those laws, allowing the unions to keep a running list of people who wanted a union and basically return the method to the system in the days when unions approached people individually and strong-armed them into signing. There wouldn’t be a private vote. Once a union collected the needed signatures, then it could force the company to institute the union.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 9:59 AM

I can’t believe almost half the people still view unions favorably. Give Andy Stern more time, he’ll drive that number down to zero.

d1carter on February 24, 2010 at 9:59 AM

If you’ve ever had to work in Chicago then you know what unions are all about. I set up a booth for a trade show once and I kid you not, I wasn’t allowed to run my own extension cords and plug them in, there was an on-site union guy whose sole job was doing exactly that, plugging cords into electrical jacks.

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Almost right. Back when the Consumer Electronic Show was here in the summer the union electrician supervised the apprentice who plugged in the power cord. Union electrician: $75. Apprentice: $50. Total bill for work any person could have done: $125. It killed exhibitors.

End result: The show quit here and went to Vegas where the mob was fair, economical, and reasonable.

MarkT on February 24, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Look For The Union Label….which these days is a set of brass knuckles sitting on top of two crossed billyclubs.

pilamaye on February 24, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Hi Anne, how are things going for you in Texas? We have had some rain back in Simi Valley this winter. Other than that all is about the same. You know, fighting a huge state budget deficit and all that interesting stuff…

Take care.

jbh45 on February 24, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Hi. So far, I really am happy with the move. I love my new little place. It’s perfect for me. And I’m totally enjoying the people I’ve met so far. I think I missed my Southern roots more than I had realized. I totally love the pace, although I’m having to really watch my driving. I drive like a typical Californian. Way too fast. *haha

I already got one ticket!

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 10:02 AM

I am still unsure of the meme “unions were needed once”.

They never were needed, even at the turn of the century. Unions have always been about power and payoffs – as it was over 100 years ago when many unions were forming.

Corruption, graft, artificial leverage and most importantly – absolute power that trumps laws.

See NYC teachers.

Odie1941 on February 24, 2010 at 9:55 AM

When movement was prohibitively expensive, and miners could be effectively imprisoned in a one company mining town, unionizing the minors into something to offset the power of a monopolizing mining company probably made sense — but it was more of a “behaving badly so as not to be taken advantage of by someone else behaving badly” kind of thing.

When migration within and between states became accessible to everyone, and the “one company town” no longer existed, the relationship became unbalanced and unions did nothing but prey on corporations.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Criminal thuggery is so out of fashion.

JammieWearingFool on February 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Not true. It’s just that unions were demoted to the minor leagues this past year. This administration has managed to institutionalize Chicago thuggery into every aspect of the federal government.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 10:02 AM

I once managed 20 teamsters for a trucking company in chicago. Talk about thuggery! Them gize were da worst.

jbh45 on February 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Back in the day prior to modern medicine, a shot of whiskey was all that was available as a pain killer. Any doctor who tried to prescribe whiskey for pain management today would be laughed at if not have his license revoked.

Unions are like whiskey way back when. At one time they served a purpose but today they are dangerously useless and laughably ineffective. Unless you LIKE being broke, homeless and face down in a gutter..

Guardian on February 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Amazing.

Has an American president ever held so many views contrary to the people?

If anyone out there has ever read “The Fourth Turning” – the news of the day is pointing towards a rebirth of American freedom.

It could have gone either way.

Dorvillian on February 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Labor Unions have become nothing more than Cash-Cows for Organized Crime. Both should be destroyed, by what ever means necessary.

ronnyraygun on February 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM

True story. I was helping to set up a convention in St. Louis. The Union Video Tech could not get a tape to look right in a VCR. (1997) I said, “You’re trying to play a S-VHS tape in a regular VCR.” The AV director of the Hotel had to run to the another affiliated property 30 minutes before the start of the program to grab a S-VHS machine. That tech got paid $45 an hour and did not have a clue.

kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

I have dealt with these types of union thugs at event centers all throughout the country. Similiar to the electricity fraud (roughly 700% mark up) and inane “experts” on anything you happen to need – I have a good one.

When wireless first came out – we slaved 3 booths off of 1 source that we paid for – which is a flat fee regardless of the usage, through wireless modems and a router. Thug comes over to see how and why we have working machines in a booth that didnt have paid electricity. Explained what we did (rotated laptop batteries) and had a 10 hour power boost supply.

For the next 2 days – thugs of all kinds would show up and “inspect” how we were running everything – while not understanding the fact “we dont need to pay for power in every booth.” through a marked up land line.

Odie1941 on February 24, 2010 at 10:06 AM

With so many people unemployed, people have a dim view of “in your face” tactics from union members who perpetually lobby to be underemployed at exorbinate pay.

NoDonkey on February 24, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Not to mention an adminstration which was out there attempting to force unionization through card check and the kickback that would have made healthcare more expensive for employers with non-union employees.

Put another way, in an era where Americans are hurting for jobs, this tone-deaf administration is out there acting like it is 1959.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 10:06 AM

My father, a shop steward in a “closed shop,” hated his union

J_Crater on February 24, 2010 at 10:08 AM

If they separated government workers and teachers from true LABOR unions I think that they’d track even lower.
I mean government work and labor is kinda like jumbo and shrimp.
Now maybe true “teachers” needed a union at one time, but today’s propagandists and indoctrinators need to be busted, big time.

ontherocks on February 24, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Amazing.

Has an American president ever held so many views contrary to the people?

If anyone out there has ever read “The Fourth Turning” – the news of the day is pointing towards a rebirth of American freedom.

It could have gone either way.

Dorvillian on February 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM

If there is one good thing P.BO will do in his one term, it will be turning the public against many of the leftist fairy tails that have been floating around in the last century or more.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I’m a member of the IBEW and it sucks. Yes, at one time the unions did have a real and legitimate purpose, to protect the workers. But that purpose began to evaporate about 40 years ago when government started to pass worker’s rights legislation. Now unions exist primarily to protect and enrich their Kingdoms, particularly the public employee unions.

nraendowment on February 24, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Hubby deals with port workers every day – he says they are unionized and 2 will work (slowly) and 2 will be asleep on the tow motors. They each get paid $40/hour, including the nappers b/c the minimum union workers at the port for ANY JOB OF ANY SIZE is mandated at FOUR.

Unions have destroyed this country.

Ris4victory on February 24, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Has an American president ever held so many views contrary to the people?

Dorvillian on February 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Clinton? Only he wasn’t quite as much of an ideologue more willing to abandon his beliefs. He’d rather be successful than get his preferred policy outcomes enacted.

misterpeasea on February 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM

There was a time and a place for Unions. This ain’t it.

E S & D Union Boss’!

PappaMac on February 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM

When movement was prohibitively expensive, and miners could be effectively imprisoned in a one company mining town, unionizing the minors into something to offset the power of a monopolizing mining company probably made sense — but it was more of a “behaving badly so as not to be taken advantage of by someone else behaving badly” kind of thing.

When migration within and between states became accessible to everyone, and the “one company town” no longer existed, the relationship became unbalanced and unions did nothing but prey on corporations.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Which , of course – diretly caused folks like the Molly McGuires to be anti-union and corporation.

The problem back then wasnt no unions – it was the same charade I described… once they got organized power, they abused it thoughroughly. Also – most unions were organized by the very corporations or org’s that controlled land, commodities, etc. It was against the people purposely, as it is today. Remember – many unions wouldnt allow foreign membership and certainly didnt give any leeway to a group of people against corporate will. Add in the payola of elected officials back then (1000 times worse than today) – and I stand by my statements – unions have never been good for the common free market anywhere in America.

There is a reason why coal miners of all shapes, colors and sizes were put to work at 12, never had more than a shanty roof – while billionaires or “moguls” were made overnight, in towns and county’s all throughout America.

Odie1941 on February 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Well, it’s a start anyway.
But just who are these 41%?

People need to wake up, take a close look at the numbers that make up deficits on local, state, and federal levels. Take a look big business, and what is preventing them from being competitive in the global market. The closer you look…!

JusDreamin on February 24, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Put another way, in an era where Americans are hurting for jobs, this tone-deaf administration is out there acting like it is 1959.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 10:06 AM

The problem is that they are acting like its 1933, lacking the knowledge that unionization and the New Deal made things worse.
The Great Depression should stand as a monument not just to the failure of state economic intervention, but to the power of the state to destroy the economy.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Unions served a purpose in the past

They no longer serve that purpose.

blatantblue on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Exactly.

It used to be about improving the work place – now it’s about government entitlements.

gwelf on February 24, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Thugs.

Daemonocracy on February 24, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Yep!! Unions have outlived their usefulness. They exist to perpetuate themselves and little else. Some unions(which shall remain nameless)exist only to exploit their membership and make themselves wealthy in the process.And.. In case y’all didn’t hear, the Central Falls teachers are all officially fired as of June 2010. The union(AFT?)is telling them that the pink slips are just protocol to meet the March 1 firing deadline. Doubt it. About half will be out of work if the State takes over the failing high school.
Union busting? Not on purpose, just a side effect, but a useful one .

jeanie on February 24, 2010 at 10:17 AM

The Great Depression should stand as a monument not just to the failure of state economic intervention, but to the power of the state to destroy the economy.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Part of the problem in this regard is that Democrats believe – and thus it’s taught in our schools – that FDR and his statist policies shortened the depression and lessened it’s severity. You can see this same mentality in who they sell their current policies (e.g., we didn’t spend enough in Porkulus etc) but given how these policies are viewed by the public perhaps there is cause for hope.

gwelf on February 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Almost correct. Something was needed in the early days to protect workers from employer excesses.

The problem is the human tendency to turn almost anything into a power struggle. Employers had power; the “obvious” solution was to create an equal and opposite power center, the union. Like most such simplistic, “obvious” solutions, it seemed to work for a while. What broke it was the same thing that breaks all interactions based on the power-struggle paradigm: it attracts people whose motivation is the power, not the supposed underlying issue(s).

That’s true on both sides, by the way. Trying to make the employers out as Good Guys versus Evil Unions is foolishness that perpetuates the power struggle.

Regards,
Ric

warlocketx on February 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM

NJ Red on February 24, 2010 at 9:50 AM

http://www.nrtw.org/your-rights-3-minutes

lovingmyUSA on February 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Odie1941 on February 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM

My understanding is that corporations made their own labor unions to try to short-cut the workers doing it on their own.

But you are right — labor unions were always a bad solution. I just wanted to explain how people can pick out circumstances where the unions seemed to do something good, so people can see how twisted and archaic those examples are.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Unions served a purpose in the past

They no longer serve that purpose.

blatantblue on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Exactly.

It used to be about improving the work place – now it’s about government entitlements.

gwelf on February 24, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Kind of in the same way that Mercury once served a useful medical purpose in treating syphilis.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Unions suck, plain and simple. There isn’t a more efficient way to ruin a company than to have its workers unionized.

tommer74 on February 24, 2010 at 10:28 AM

BOYCOT THE UNION LABEL!

ronnyraygun on February 24, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Righteous! This is what Obama and crew are worrying over

hey did you hear Obama is considering none other than SEIU thug ANDY STERN as one of the people on his deficit commission?!

BWAAAHAAA!!!

Ahh man they are good for some laughs now that I have given up hoping for a move to the middle from these clowns, I’ll give them that!

ginaswo on February 24, 2010 at 10:29 AM

F the unions. What a waste of resources. The same people thAt champion unions are environmentalists as well. It is so inconsistent. But I guess that is the basis for being an ignorant liberal democrat.

daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM

The union bosses are basically become slavers. A difference of degree, not of kind.

perries on February 24, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Americans in multiple states are awakening to the fact that the government-worker unions are a prime contributor to the states’ horrible financial condition. The union thugs keep the message going by refusing to budge. Obama, not caring and wanting to support his base, will continue to bow to the unions.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 24, 2010 at 10:44 AM

I wish the Republicans would made the Dems support of unions a campaign issue, running ads showing what they do to our education system, the auto industry and how hey are becoming the privileged class while the rest of us suffer. A little of class envy would go a long way.

Would also be nice to do the same for trial lawyers.

But that would take them evolving from an invertebrate to a vertebrate in less then a year. Not going to happen.

jsulman on February 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Unions are just another organization that was started on the principle of protecting workers rights and spiraled out of control into a steaming pot of greed and corruption.

scalleywag on February 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Organized crime didn’t have to hijack the big unions. It was more of an industry merger–the shakedown industry.

RBMN on February 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM

UNIONS=ORGANIZED GANGS

Ltlgeneral64 on February 24, 2010 at 10:51 AM

What would we do without your crystal clear insight into business and health issues?

/sarc

cs89 on February 24, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Get the plank out of thine own eye.

Dark-Star on February 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Right to work states? Yes, but you still have to pay union dues.

When I worked for Ford (as a union member) a guy pulled a gun on his boss. He was fired. A few weeks later a machine went down. No millwright was available so the company brought in machinists to fix the problem, knowing they would have to pay the grievance. When the time came the company representatives marched in intending to pay. The shop steward said hire my buddy back and we will drop the grievance. The company was stunned but agreed, the guy got his job back, and the millwrights got screwed.

When I worked for Great Lakes Steel (non-union at that time) my boss took me out to see the electric furnace. He ignored the union guys who were sleeping.

I sure I could find areas of management abuse but I think they are far rarer than union abuse. I suspect that they would be mainly directed at the individual not the union as a whole.

Me, personally, I am not anti-union per se but I move Heaven and Earth not to be a member or pay dues.

enginemike on February 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM

FWIW, this GM pick-up owner has bought his last GM vehicle because of Obama’s bail-out of GM’s union.

WannabeAnglican on February 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Ditto for NYC. I used to run footwear tradeshows back in the mid-nineties. Had the same experience with the electrical unions. Don’t even get me started on the Teamsters. They worked slow as snails on the loading docks and when exhibitors would try to move their own boxes they would get the thug treatment.

mrsmwp on February 24, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Unions served a purpose in the past

They no longer serve that purpose.

blatantblue on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Spot on. They haven’t served a good purpose in decades. Your experience in Chicago reminds me why I like living in a right-to-work state like Nebraska, as opposed to my home state of Illinois. It’s nice to live in a state not dominated by unions.

NebCon on February 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Wait until the general populace finally figures out just exactly what this “health care” crap is all about. It’s all about taxpayers funding the union’s legacy health care and pension costs. Nothing more, nothing less.

“No You Won’t” Theme for 2010!

Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Chickens roosting … LOL

tarpon on February 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM

My spouse worked for the CA prison system. The union contract added layers of complexity to every decision and act. This is above and beyond the complexities imposed by the legislature and bureaucracy.

It also created an adversarial relationship rather than a working relationship between management and line personnel.

So above and beyond the simple expense of high wages and pensions, operational expenses are much higher, and the whole works is gummed up and slowed down.

jodetoad on February 24, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Not all unions are bad. I am a union member with the most productive employees in my industry.

Mike Morrissey on February 24, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Mike Morrissey:
Are your union members productive because they are union members?
In any event, the government-employee unions are truly parasitic.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 24, 2010 at 11:57 AM

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