New McCain ad: J.D. Hayworth, Birther

posted at 2:28 pm on February 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

I figured his spokesmen would keep hammering the Birther thing, but a full-blown ad replete with cameo by Orly Taitz? Quoth Ron Burgundy: “Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast.”

My feelings about Birtherism are well known and, needless to say, this is an efficient way of marginalizing Hayworth with undecided centrists who might otherwise be weary of decades of maverickiness. (Geraghty was moved this morning to note Hayworth’s willingness to make chitchat with the John Birch Society.) But I hope McCain’s prepared to explain why he’s ready to go bareknuckle on Hayworth by linking him to Taitz when he refused to go bareknuckle on The One by linking him to Rev. Wright. The single biggest knock on his campaign among grassroots righties was that he pulled his punches against Obama after years of “straight talk” about Republicans and conservatives. I guess he figures, a la Romney, he doesn’t have a prayer with grassroots righties anyway and can afford to shrug off their irritation over the double standard, but he’s going to be asked about it. Wonder what the explanation will be.

Exit question per Rush’s critique of Mitt yesterday: Does Bob McDonnell’s endorsement of McCain today mean he’s just committed political suicide too? If Chris Christie ends up backing Maverick, that’ll mean all three Republican heroes of the last few months are in his corner. Some suicide.


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AngusMc on February 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Romeo explained my point better than I could.

Your point of there being only two categories of citizenship would hold water if the 14th ammendment hadn’t been ba$tardized from its original intent. Babies should get citizenship when their parents are here permamently and legally. Not temporary visitors, not temporary students, etc. They should either be naturalized citizens or on track to be.

Fix that problem and then natural born will take care of itself.

mrsmwp on February 24, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Um, actualy, Slaves, born on American soil, were not citizens.

Until Ark… children born of Chinese Nationals, on American soil, were not citizens.

For a large part of our history, American Indians, born on American soil, were not citizens (sometimes depended on the tribe)…

1. Slaves born on American soil were citizens at birth — the status was just denied them. The 14th Amendment gave it to them retroactively from birth and anyone born a slave in the U.S. after its passage would have been considered a natural born citizen. Really, do you want to base any part of your case against Obama on racism towards slaves??

2. Same with Indians — though I will note that the Elk decision was largely because he was born on a sovereign Indian reservation where U.S. law only partially applied. Had Elk been in the same circumstances but been born off the reservation he would probably have been declared a natural born citizen. And in any case — basing part of your argument on racism against Indians?? Really?

Supreme Court decisions since Elk strongly disagree with the birther view of natural born citizenship. Either the pajama bloggers are right or some of the brightest legal minds of our history are right. Which side to choose?

AngusMc on February 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Palin is going to be sorry she supported this freaking RINO McCain.

I think McCain must be in trouble in his internal polling.

Go down Suckkkah and take your career lying politician buddies wit cha!!!

PappyD61 on February 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Are there any current polls showing McCain’s numbers against JD? I haven’t seen any, tho I’d love to!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 24, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Yesterday, McCain spoke on the floor of the Senate and said:

“Let me say to my colleagues, I am proud of my record on climate change. I have been all over the world, and I have seen climate change. I know it is real, and I will be glad to continue this debate with my colleagues and people who do not agree with that. I believe climate change is real.”

Emperor Norton on February 24, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Your point of there being only two categories of citizenship would hold water if the 14th ammendment hadn’t been ba$tardized from its original intent. Babies should get citizenship when their parents are here permamently and legally. Not temporary visitors, not temporary students, etc. They should either be naturalized citizens or on track to be.

There were Senators who debated and passed the 14th amendment who disagree with your view of it and support my view of it.

AngusMc on February 24, 2010 at 6:54 PM

McCain, you’re an ass…

Tim Burton on February 24, 2010 at 7:23 PM

@ tigerlily

Recently, you said this:

In order to attend the school that berri attended, you had to be a MUSLIM and an INDONESIAN CITIZEN.

To which I replied:

This statement of fact can surely be backed up with substantiating documents. Please provide supporting citations and/or documents.

Your follow-up:

Race Card: Please look up the statutes regarding education and attendance in Indonesian Muslim schools for the years berri was in attendance there. I have seen them on other websites but can’t remember where now. However, I did the sleuthing once, now you can do the same. …

tigerlily on February 23, 2010 at 3:36 AM

Find those links yet? It would seem that a person making such strong allegations could pinpoint such a critical piece of information. It seems integral to your entire argument.

The only reason you would charge me with doing your research is that you cannot reply in kind with actual information. Obfuscation and deflection are your only defense.

Wipe your chin.

The Race Card on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Ahhh the Birthers

I wonder how many times in this thread they have brought up the non existent travel ban to Pakistan. You can tell them over and over there was such a travel ban, but they will keep repeating it over and over.

firepilot on February 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM

He’s attacking Hayworth with Lefty Talking Points? Who is running John McCain’s campaign, the same people who ran his last campaign? This is really going to make Hayworth even more sympathetic to Conservatives. They are turning Hayworth into the under dog, people like to cheer for the under dog…I have never heard anyone call Hayworth a Progressive or a RINO. So John McCain is defending the Progressive Democrat President – Accusing Hayworth of “Birtherism” John McCain thinks Conservatives want him to support the current Administration – align himself with it?

Dumb Dumb Dumb.

Dr Evil on February 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM

The Race Card on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Document

This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam.

sharrukin on February 24, 2010 at 7:34 PM

There were Senators who debated and passed the 14th amendment who disagree with your view of it and support my view of it.

AngusMc on February 24, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Well, we can agree to disagree, but I will stick by what was written in the Federalist’s Papers.

mrsmwp on February 24, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Wipe your chin.
The Race Card on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM

This registration document. . .
sharrukin on February 24, 2010 at 7:34 PM

Well, Race Card–it’s time to wipe the drool off your chin and the egg off your face.

Emperor Norton on February 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I have seen polls where a large majority of Republicans have questions about Obama’s eligibility to be President.

Now I agree that this should not be the main issue with Obama but by the same token it goes right to the center of the issue many of us have a real problem with. The trashing of the Constitution.

You are NOT a kook to simply not accept a document only presented on the internet. A photoshoped one at that. Newspaper listings prove nothing. Not a single person could get into Preschool with that documentation. All Obama needs to do is release the records instead he spends millions suppressing them. These are simply facts. Real facts not imagined ones. I do NOT trust Fact Check.org which is run by the Anaberg Foundation which had Obama run a major program for them. They are very Biased.

This ad should cost McCain votes in the Primary. He thinks the GOP is the Stupid Party. Only he is Stupid.

Steveangell on February 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM

The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam.

sharrukin on February 24, 2010

Its not illegal to be a dual citizen, or is it somehow sinister if a muslim dad lists a kid as Muslim.

Even though Birthers think so, some foreign country can not just cancel your US citizenship on your behalf, nor can a parent renounce it for you either.

Nor does the US government care if you have dual citizenship either, as long as you do not serve in a foreign military.

firepilot on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM

The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam.

This alone makes Barry or whoever he is ineligible to be President. It invalidates his American Birth for the purpose of becoming President. You can not be both a Natural Born American and an Indonisian Citizen at age 12.

Birthers are not crazy. The entire Media and most Politicians are. I wonder what Beck and Dobbs were threatened with to shut them up.

Freedom of Speach. Who needs it.

Steveangell on February 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Its not illegal to be a dual citizen, or is it somehow sinister if a muslim dad lists a kid as Muslim.

Think of what you are saying. He is a dual citizen. Do you not see how Dual Citizen is not the same as Natural Born Citizen? One has allegiance to two countries the other only one. Our Founders wanted Presidents with allegiance only to America their entire life thus “Natural Born”. How could they have expressed that in more simple terms?

BTW Barry was a Quad Citizen Kenya, Brittan, Indonesia, USA. Just where does his real allegiance lie? If America for how many years. Not from when he was born. Not when going to school in Indonesia.

Steveangell on February 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Ahhh the Birthers
 
I wonder how many times in this thread they have brought up the non existent travel ban to Pakistan. You can tell them over and over there was such a travel ban, but they will keep repeating it over and over.
 
firepilot on February 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM

 
I think you’re the thread’s first. And now back to the topic…

rogerb on February 24, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Even though Birthers think so, some foreign country can not just cancel your US citizenship on your behalf, nor can a parent renounce it for you either.

No Birther thinks that. We are not saying Barry is not a Citizen of the US. He may well be. But that is not what is required to be president. This argument is specious a Red Herring. Obama’s mom may well have had him Naturalized upon return from Indonesia or may have not even needed to do that. But it does not change the fact that he had Allegiance to Indonesia while an Indonesian Citizen. Exactly what the founders were trying to make illegal for a President (only the President).

Steveangell on February 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM

I have only one thing to say to John McCain: “Hey a-hole, where were these tough ads when you were running against the Destructor?”

disa on February 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Barack Obama took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to protect her against her enemies. His first lie as President. So I don’t care where he was born or what passports he’s carried.

He is a cancer to this country.

disa on February 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM

disa on February 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

+1000

Disturb the Universe on February 24, 2010 at 8:28 PM

No Birther thinks that.

I saw it mentioned before on here plenty of times, that he must not be a US citizen if Indonesia gave it to him too. If Indonesia actually did grant him citizenship as a kid, which I have seen no proof of, it does nothing to invalidate your US citizenship. The US government does not care if some other country gives you citizenship too. Heck Ireland will do it if you have Irish grandparents, and other countries will too.

There just is no law that says if another country also grants you a citizenship, that it strips you of your ability to be an elected US official. Lots of Americans too also have Canadian citizenship from marrying a Canadian and living up there a while.

But to allege he swore allegiance to Indonesia as a little kid, and that somehow that is going to be a technicality that gets him kicked out of office…well…

Obama is getting very beatable on the playing field. But to think you found a way technicality that is going to completely have him kicked out , well it sure hasnt happened yet, and well its not going to.

I think you’re the thread’s first. And now back to the topic…

rogerb

Well thats a relief if it hasnt. Invariable that whole “legend” gets repeated over and over, but its not true whatsoever. There was never a travel ban to Pakistan

firepilot on February 24, 2010 at 8:33 PM

No Birther thinks that.

I saw it mentioned before on here plenty of times, that he must not be a US citizen if Indonesia gave it to him too. If Indonesia actually did grant him citizenship as a kid, which I have seen no proof of, it does nothing to invalidate your US citizenship. The US government does not care if some other country gives you citizenship too. Heck Ireland will do it if you have Irish grandparents, and other countries will too.

There just is no law that says if another country also grants you a citizenship, that it strips you of your ability to be an elected US official. Lots of Americans too also have Canadian citizenship from marrying a Canadian and living up there a while.

But to allege he swore allegiance to Indonesia as a little kid, and that somehow that is going to be a technicality that gets him kicked out of office…well…

Obama is getting very beatable on the playing field. But to think you found a way technicality that is going to completely have him kicked out , well it sure hasnt happened yet, and well its not going to. As much as some people would like to think, the 2008 election is not going to be invalidated and canceled.

I think you’re the thread’s first. And now back to the topic…

rogerb

Well thats a relief if it hasnt. Invariable that whole “legend” gets repeated over and over, but its not true whatsoever. There was never a travel ban to Pakistan

firepilot on February 24, 2010 at 8:36 PM

The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam.

sharrukin on February 24, 2010

Well, Race Card–it’s time to wipe the drool off your chin and the egg off your face.

Emperor Norton on February 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I’m totally convinced. Good work. What’s the next step?

The Race Card on February 24, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Bottom line about McCain……if it wasn’t for his patriotism and POW status, he wouldn’t ever have been elected to the Senate. Other than being a playboy born to wealth, he’s nothing more than an opportunist that latched on to a hottie, with a daddy that owned a brewery. Not to shabby of a catch, it’s every man’s dream.

gunter on February 24, 2010 at 9:03 PM

I hope AZ goes with Hayworth…I really do…McCain can go home assured that he servd his country…just a little too long… ironic but this is one candidate who I hope Sarah’s support doesn’t help…gulp…

CCRWM on February 24, 2010 at 9:07 PM

ya know I don’t think this will help McCain…a lot of people are secret “birthers”…I for one want to know what’s worth over a million dollars to fight!

CCRWM on February 24, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Inquiring minds want to know.

davidk on February 24, 2010 at 9:42 PM

The ol’ maverick can get dirty when he has to. Just ask Romeney and the boyz.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2010 at 9:44 PM

DaveS on February 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM

That’s right! Run them all of the party and then run John McCain for President! Worked so well for you last time didn’t it? Frickin maroon.

austinnelly on February 24, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Find those links yet? It would seem that a person making such strong allegations could pinpoint such a critical piece of information. It seems integral to your entire argument.

The only reason you would charge me with doing your research is that you cannot reply in kind with actual information. Obfuscation and deflection are your only defense.

Wipe your chin.

The Race Card on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM

The links that you asked for.

Of course you were not actually asking for them at all, as NO PROOF would matter to you. If the proof demanded is provided you will go on to the next silly demand, and then the next.

I’m totally convinced. Good work. What’s the next step?

The Race Card on February 24, 2010 at 8:48 PM

It would seem that obfuscation and deflection are your only defense.

sharrukin on February 24, 2010 at 11:08 PM

The only time McCain gets dirty is when he is interacting with a conservative.

mobydutch on February 24, 2010 at 11:31 PM

sharrukin on February 24, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Funny since it is always said of the “birthers”: “no amount of evidence will ever satisfy them!!!!!1!1″; heh.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM

Funny since it is always said of the “birthers”: “no amount of evidence will ever satisfy them!!!!!1!1″; heh.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM

I think its called projection.

I personally don’t think it will ever be dealt with seriously because too many people, even many so-called conservatives, simply don’t care if the constitution is followed or not.

They believe in winning not principles. Having Joe Biden as President isn’t what I would call a win, but it is what should happen if he is not Natural Born.

sharrukin on February 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM

Good, let’s humiliate the birthers and run them out of the party. They are worthless.

DaveS on February 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM

It a sign of their great integrity and wisdom when Republicans show more disdain and less tolerance for those they label Birthers, like Heyworth, who aren’t disrespectful of any of our laws, than they do enablers/advocates of illegal aliens, like McCain, who are disrespectful of our laws.

So, let’s try this again:

Good, let’s humiliate the Anti-birthers and run them out of the party. They are less than worthless.

DaveS on February 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on February 25, 2010 at 12:32 AM

sharrukin on February 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM

Yup. A couple of weeks ago there was a posting about this not being a “winning issue” (Breitbart) and I posted to say that this issue isn’t about elections, it’s about the Constitution.

I agree that Biden isn’t a “win”, lol, but as far as I know he is Constitutionally eligible and as a bonus he never hung out with Ayers and Wright.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 25, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Yup. A couple of weeks ago there was a posting about this not being a “winning issue” (Breitbart) and I posted to say that this issue isn’t about elections, it’s about the Constitution.

I agree that Biden isn’t a “win”, lol, but as far as I know he is Constitutionally eligible and as a bonus he never hung out with Ayers and Wright.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 25, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Yeah, the GOP seems to have lost sight of that concept of principles before pragmatism. I suspect this is why they are so nervous about the tea parties, Glenn Beck, and the ‘birthers’. They cannot control them, and they don’t fit into any convenient slots, so many people prefer to marginalize, or demonize them.

sharrukin on February 25, 2010 at 12:47 AM

The Constitution states that anyone running for POTUS must be a citizen by birth.
Does anybody know what the penalty is for someone who breaks that law?
Like it or not,Bambi is TOTUS,no matter what his birth certificate says.
He is not going to be removed from office,so,what will happen to him after his time in office is over?Nothing
Birthers,unless you can define the penalty for a non-citizen getting elected,and enforce that penalty,I suggest you get over it.
There are far bigger problems that have to be adressed.Not more important,just bigger,and more current.

DDT on February 25, 2010 at 1:15 AM

It would seem that obfuscation and deflection are your only defense.

sharrukin on February 24, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Advantage, sharrukin.

The Race Card on February 25, 2010 at 1:31 AM

Birthers,unless you can define the penalty for a non-citizen getting elected,and enforce that penalty,I suggest you get over it.

The election is invalidated. Any law he signed is null and void. A real can of worms. Why I agree it is not being pursued by the wimps in Congress who could. Now I imagine it took the threat of life (radio/TV) to shut up everyone on TV which is scary when you think of it.

Funny how you call us Birthers playing on Truthers. Huge difference. Truthers are all about something that is completely impossible with no evidence what so ever. Yet we have a real possibility of proving Barry ineligible to be President. You resort to name calling because the facts are on our side.

Barry being a citizen is not the issue. His Allegiance to four Nations during his life is. Natural Born means only one allowed USA. He holds allegiance to Kenya and Brittian by his own account proudly boasting of it. What a sick Nation when it’s Constitution means nothing. We fought to make sure British citizens did not rule us now one does. Exactly what the founders worried enough about to write language into the Constitution to prevent.

It is possible Barry is an illegal alien. We just don’t know because he has hidden all his records. Some documents indicate he attended college as a foreign student if so he was an adult then and would have had to immigrate. He did not register for selective service. That record is an obvious fake 2006 form for 1983 registration. But that does not matter. What matters is he is not eligible to be President.

Steveangell on February 25, 2010 at 2:33 AM

I hope McCain keeps this nonsense up. Nothing like alienating a good portion of your base to lose an election. There’s lots of ppl in AZ who would like to see what all the fuss is about. Keep stirring the pot!!

DanaSmiles on February 25, 2010 at 8:20 AM

I’m late to the party, but it’s interesting that John McCain decides to use this issue even as we’ve got a statement from DOH Communications Director, Janice Okubo, saying that the certificate numbers are assigned at the state DOH office on the COLB’s “Date filed”.

Trouble is, the Factcheck COLB for Obama has a later number than the Nordyke BC even though Obama’s was supposedly filed (received a number) 3 days earlier.

This is the 3rd glaring proof that Factcheck is a forgery – 2 of them being from the DOH itself, which also confirmed that Obama’s BC is amended. Now that we can see the rules that had been illegally hidden during and after the election, we can see that amendments are a big deal and have to be noted on any certificate (including the abbreviated cert, or COLB) that the DOH prints. Neither the Factcheck nor Fight the Smears COLB’s have that note and are thus proven to be forgeries.

Documentation of these and many other claims can be found at my blog at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

McCain has been in DC way too long. The politicians, media, and law enforcement have a dysfunctional, symbiotic, criminal relationship and the people need to clean house in ALL those arms of the communist movement.

justincase on February 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM

I have two birth certificates, only one of which contains the truth. It is the false one that State officials will affirm.

I was adopted in the early 1960s. My original Birth certificate was sealed by court order, and the judge ordered the creation of a new birth certificate complete with new names for my mother and father and myself.

I have recently found my original Hospital birth certificate, which has the real names of My real mother and father, as well as my original name.

I also have a state certified copy of my current birth certificate which has My adoptive parents names and my adopted name on it.

The point I am making is that you cannot trust state officials word on the contents of a birth certificate.

The practice of lying about birth certificates is common in all 50 states.

DiogenesLamp on February 25, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Funny since it is always said of the “birthers”: “no amount of evidence will ever satisfy them!!!!!1!1″; heh.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM

And for the Anti-birthers, any evidence, including bad evidence (like a fake birth certificate) satisfies them. Why they are so willing to trust a greasy lying scumbag like obama is a mystery to me.

DiogenesLamp on February 25, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Truthers believe there is a coverup by the government regarding 9-11.

Birthers believe there is a coverup by the government regarding Obama’s eligibility to be President.

Both groups believe there is a coverup by the government.

Hmmmm……………..

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM

The difference is that there is already proof that the folks in Hawaii are breaking laws to cover up something.

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

justincase on February 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Truthers believe there is a coverup by the government regarding 9-11.

Birthers believe there is a coverup by the government regarding Obama’s eligibility to be President.

Both groups believe there is a coverup by the government.

Hmmmm……………..

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM

This birther believes that State governments were incompetent in performing their duty of verifying the qualifications of people whom they allowed to be placed on statewide ballot.

Coverup? WTF are you talking about?

DiogenesLamp on February 25, 2010 at 11:15 AM

justincase on February 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Do you believe the document that

sharrukin on February 24, 2010 at 7:34 PM

posted has credibility?

DiogenesLamp on February 25, 2010 at 11:15 AM

This birther believes that State governments were incompetent

You believe that the State government was incompetent. You must also believe the Federal government to be incompetent because they failed to check the competency of the State government.

You now know of both the Federal and State governments’ incompetence. Some in the Federal and State governments also know of their own incompetence and are purposefully hiding it.

OMG, it is a coverup conspiracy!

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 11:37 AM

You believe that the State government was incompetent. You must also believe the Federal government to be incompetent because they failed to check the competency of the State government.

You now know of both the Federal and State governments’ incompetence. Some in the Federal and State governments also know of their own incompetence and are purposefully hiding it.

OMG, it is a coverup conspiracy!

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Nope, buisness as usual. The state governments are so incompetent they don’t yet realize they’ve blundered.

Secondly, The State governments set their own ballot requirements. There is no need for the Federal government (nor any right to do so) to check the state government’s competency in this regard.

What fun it would be if the Pot called the Kettle Black? :)

DiogenesLamp on February 25, 2010 at 12:16 PM

DiogenesLamp on February 25, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Then for you (and possibly justincase) there is no conspiracy.

I agree with your points about the birth certificates. My children are adopted, and their original certificates were changed to reflect the parents and names of the child changing.

However, that does not preclude you, or my children, from being eligible for the President. Born on U.S. soil is the test.

The document that sharrukin posted adds some credibility to the assertion that he was born in Hawaii. His father could not have had the foresight to know that lying about his birth place would one day be important for his son to become President.

For me, unless someone can prove, in fact, that he was not born in Hawaii, this seems to be much ado about nothing.

He is doing a fine job already at failing as President, this issue is a distraction from that fact.

What fun it would be if the Pot called the Kettle Black? :)

No fun at all! :)

Thank you for being civil. Civility is not found amongst those that diasgree here often enough.

Got to get to work. Hope to see you posting elsewhere.

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM

“Good thing Arizona has a Senator standing up for us. Senator John “I got the message” McCain……. hating conservatives with more passion than most could muster up in a lifetime, opening the borders, voting for tarp, working across the aisle (WAY across the aisle), closing Gitmo, working against waterboarding, never questioning Democrats (even when it mattered most), working against Freedom of Speech, and much, much more……..but the most important of all……..NEVER questioning anyone’s birthplace. John McCain……. centrism matters.”

nottakingsides on February 25, 2010 at 1:29 PM

The document that sharrukin posted adds some credibility to the assertion that he was born in Hawaii. His father could not have had the foresight to know that lying about his birth place would one day be important for his son to become President.

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM

So it is just silly to think that anyone would want there child to be an American citizen, unless they are planning on having that child running for President someday?

How do you explain what is going on along the southern border with millions of Mexicans crossing over illegally?

Do you think they would want their child to have American citizenship?

If that is true, then why is it so preposterous that Obama’s mother, or father might think the very same thing?

sharrukin on February 25, 2010 at 5:11 PM

rukiddingme on February 25, 2010 at 11:37 AM

I don’t know of any reason to think it’s not credible. Always open to evidence one way or another.

justincase on February 25, 2010 at 5:14 PM

rukiddingme, I suspect that you haven’t really looked at what’s on my blog at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

It was not mere incompetence when Fukino took off the web the Administrative Rules required by law to be posted. It was not mere incompetence when she refused to give legally-required answers to multiple requestors asking persistently what the rules were and where we could get them.

It was not mere incompetence when the DOH said that Obama’s birth certificate has been amended – and the OIP confirmed that their answer was a proper denial of access – and both the OIP (who is the watchdog to see that the answers are correct and not just a SNAFU) and the DOH have stood by that answer to this day.

It was not mere incompetence when the DOH refused to obey their law requiring them to release a non-certified copy of Obama’s abbreviated birth certificate, which their rules say is to be released to anybody who asks for it.

And it is not mere incompetence that Hawaii Senator Will Espero has introduced a bill that would label someone a “vexatious requestor” and give them a 2-year time-out for simply asking what somebody else has asked and using their legal option of appealing a wrongful denial of access. This guy has actually introduced a bill to undo their open records law because these open-records requests are just so “vexing” to the bureaucrats who have kept this whole thing alive by lying, obfuscating, and breaking laws and rules in order to cover up something.

But you really need to read what’s at my blog to get the bigger picture.

justincase on February 25, 2010 at 5:25 PM

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