Kent Conrad: If the House doesn’t pass ObamaCare first, “then it’s dead”

posted at 5:07 pm on February 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

Just the sort of bicameral unity The One’s eager to see ahead of tomorrow’s masterpiece theater.

Conrad, who has been open to reconciliation as long as the fixes are limited, said the order must be reversed. The House must pass the Senate bill first — before either chamber considers the reconciliation package, he said.

“I don’t know of any way, I don’t know of any way where you can have a reconciliation bill pass before the bill that it is meant to reconcile passes,” said Conrad, who would be a central figure on the Senate floor if Democrats embark on the complicated process. “I don’t know how you would deal with the scoring. I don’t know how I could look you in the eye and say this package reduces the deficit. It’s kind of got the cart before the horse.”

When reminded that House Democrats don’t want to do health care in that order, Conrad said bluntly: “Fine, then it’s dead.”

Pelosi ducked his ultimatum by saying she’s, er, “not into procedure right now.” This is why I said in the earlier post that Senate moderates like Landrieu are bluffing about being open to reconciliation. Until Pelosi proves she can pass something in the House, there’s no benefit for Landrieu to backing something as risky as the nuclear option; until Reid proves that he can use the nuclear option to pass something in the Senate, there’s no benefit for Pelosi to trying to pass something in the House. Who wants to jump off the bridge first? Tom Harkin is vowing that they’re going to pass something by Easter, so someone had better jump soon.

But wait. Maybe instead of jumping, they can climb down:

If after this weekend, however, either Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., thinks he doesn’t have the 51 votes for such a move, or House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. D-Calif., doesn’t think she has the 217 votes needed to pass the bill, which seems quite possible, Democrats would go to Plan B (or C, or D, or whatever we’re up to) wherein they introduce a more modest plan that can indeed secure some bipartisan support. A plan with perhaps some tax credits for small businesses to provide insurance for their employees, and some insurance company reforms, maybe a smaller expansion of Medicaid and closing the “donut-hole” for recipients of the Medicare prescription drug benefit.

Which Republicans would support such a measure?

The White House doesn’t think that Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., or House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, would do so in any set of circumstances.

“The president could grab the six leading Republican (health care reform) bills, put his name on them and introduce them and Boehner and McConnell would still vote against them,” one senior administration official said.

A smaller bill has always been their best bet to salvage a political win, which leaves me as confused as ever as to why Obama introduced a giant one without knowing for sure in advance whether it can pass. Maybe he really does believe that if he can just get Republicans to say no to enough legislation, or in a visible enough format, all the polls showing anger over GOP obstructionism will finally start to bite and translate into a new surge of popularity/sympathy for the Dems. The bigger the bill, the more likely the GOP will choke on it, and the more anti-obstruction fee-vah lifts Democratic fortunes. Or so the theory would go.

In the unlikely event that they really are thinking of trying to pass this thing, though, please note: The public hates reconciliation.

More than three in four, 77%, say their “best guess” is that President Obama and congressional Democratic and Republican leaders will leave the six-hour session at Blair House empty-handed. Just one in five, 22%, predict they’ll reach a deal…

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs indicated Monday that, if necessary, the White House was open to using a parliamentary maneuver known as reconciliation to bypass a prospective filibuster in the Senate. That means a measure could pass the Senate with a 51-vote majority rather than the 60 votes needed to end debate.

Americans are opposed 52%-39% to using that device to get a bill through.

Good luck, champ. I leave you with the NYT’s report on Bambi’s gentle, nurturing leadership. I’m sorry to report that it hasn’t worked on Dennis Kucinich. Still 15 votes down, Nancy.


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KILL THE BILL!@

daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Oh yes. Plus: 52% oppose reconciliation!

I like it when Allah start rooting!

upinak on February 24, 2010 at 5:10 PM

The longer this sword of Democles hangs over the economy, the longer it will take before employers will know if it is safe to hire people.

pedestrian on February 24, 2010 at 5:10 PM

I’ve got a shovel and can sharpen a stake. I’d be happy to help.

katy the mean old lady on February 24, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Kill it, kill it all, kill it dead. Burn it, bury it, then dig it up and empty your magazine into the urn.

We cannot afford for ANYTHING to pass, because we all know the ultimate end, which is the ultimate goal: Single Payer Death Sentences.

JamesLee on February 24, 2010 at 5:12 PM

I agree. Kill the bill. Then and only then should they work on a bill that actually reduces costs by removing government from healthcare.

matthew26 on February 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I can’t believe they haven’t offered a small bill with modest liberal expansions, a ban on rescission, and make believe cost savings to call it deficit neutral. It would pass and the Democrats long national nightmare would be over for a bit.
(By the way, the argument that the problems are interlocking so the reform has to be comprehensive is total nonsense.)

rob verdi on February 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Does this mean we are going to keep hearing about this bill, looming over us until January 2011? It’ about to drive me crazy. Or as some people would point out, that wouldn’t be a drive, it would be a putt.

Cindy Munford on February 24, 2010 at 5:15 PM

BTW, that CNN poll Allah links is also bad news for the Dems:

Even though more people think Republicans are not doing enough to reach bipartisan consensus, 54 percent believe the Democratic party should take the first step toward developing bipartisan solutions to the country’s problems, the survey says. Forty-two percent say the GOP should take that first step.

Just over half of those questioned say the Democrats should give up more ground to achieve bipartisanship, while 43 percent want to see the GOP make more compromises.

“Americans feel the ball is in the Democrats’ court,” Holland added. “They may not be held responsible for the problem, but since they are in charge of the government, Americans appear to think they are responsible for the solution.”

Karl on February 24, 2010 at 5:15 PM

OT: USA scores empty net 2-0 and moves on the semi finals…

d1carter on February 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM

The president could grab the six leading Republican (health care reform) bills, put his name on them and introduce them and Boehner and McConnell would still vote against them

Wha wha whaaaat?
Hasn’t Obambi been saying that the GOP hasn’t offered any plans?

KeepOhioRed on February 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM

This bill has been declared dead so many times, Congress is turning into corpse-men.

Daggett on February 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Quick, hard pivot to jobs!

Quick, hard pivot to healthcare!

Quick, hard pivot to jobs!

They’re never going to get all the Democrats–especially the Progressive Caucus in the House, which represents the grouping of Congressional Representatives–to all agree on how to proceed. They need to pivot back to jobs, or something else.

Hey, I hear crap-n-tax is kinda popular. Oh wait, just kidding. QUICK, hard pivot back to ________!

Enoxo on February 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM

If after this weekend, however, either Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., thinks he doesn’t have the 51 votes for such a move,

I doubt he’s even counting votes anymore on this thing. He’d probably get cold cocked by someone….

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:18 PM

I’ll feel a lot better come 1/4/2011, when the next Congress takes over and we can say, “It’s dead, Jim.”

steveegg on February 24, 2010 at 5:18 PM

We’ve been hearing this thing is dead since last year. If this is the end, woooo!

OT: US beats the Swiss in hockey 2-0.

El_Terrible on February 24, 2010 at 5:18 PM

A smaller bill has always been their best bet to salvage a political win, which leaves me as confused as ever as to why Obama introduced a giant one without knowing for sure in advance whether it can pass.

More is better?

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:19 PM

If? The House must do so in order for the Senate to vote on it. The people’s House must initiate all bills that deal with revenue. Our founding Fathers were smart dudes.

Pelosi is now demanding that the Senate
act on reconciliation before House members are forced
to put their necks on the line again. But a Senate-
initiated tax bill is unconstitutional, and would be
“blue slipped” in the House.

Incidentally, the 1974 Act allows an unlimited number of amendments to be offered, without debate, at the end of the 20-hour statutory time for debate. My recommendation would be that, if Senate Democrats decide to invoke the “nuclear option” and throw out the Senate rules in order to do reconciliation, that the first ten amendments be the pro-gun agenda.

Finally, the Senate has failed to comply with the reconciliation instructions that mandated reporting by October 15. And, although they may get a pass on this, the production of a new concurrent budget resolution will extinguish this possibility unequivocally.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Wha wha whaaaat?
Hasn’t Obambi been saying that the GOP hasn’t offered any plans?

KeepOhioRed on February 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Nope, definitely has not offered any plans.

Enoxo on February 24, 2010 at 5:19 PM

What’s the AP pessimism-o-meter at on this one?

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:19 PM

If they don’t even understand the rules and procedures to get this shit-sandwich through, it should never pass…

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM

AP:

…all the polls showing anger over GOP obstructionism will finally start to bite…

I don’t get it. The Rs have had no power to block anything until just recently. The obstruction has been coming from the public itself and self-wetting Democrats. Are there that many people not paying attention who then buy into the “obstructionist” propaganda?

irishspy on February 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM

“Democrats would go to Plan B (or C, or D, or whatever we’re up to)”

Plan 9 from Outer Space?

Emperor Norton on February 24, 2010 at 5:21 PM


“Bring ambulamps.”

Cybergeezer on February 24, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Are there that many people not paying attention who then buy into the “obstructionist” propaganda?

irishspy on February 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM

That’s what has been the standard Dem play for 30 years. Counting on people only hearing snippits and soundbites, only reading the headline, too wrapped up in their own lives to pay close attention.

There are still many like that, but the number of people like us paying attention is growing by leaps and bounds. The days of getting away with anything they want are nearing an end.

JamesLee on February 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM

I am looking forward to the days where Speaker Pelosi and Leader Reid are touted as the reason that the Democrats coulnd’t get anything done and lost control of Congress.

Cindy Munford on February 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Who in the WORLD is this lame narrator talking about? The man who told those who oppose his agenda to “shut up and get out of the way” while he and his cronies “mop up the mess”?

Yeah, such a diplomat, Obama. Such a gentle soul…as long as you’re a brutal dictator set to destroy our nation. Political opponent? Well, then…shut up.

Grace_is_sufficient on February 24, 2010 at 5:25 PM

I am looking forward to the days where Speaker Pelosi and Leader Reid are touted as the reason that the Democrats coulnd’t get anything done and lost control of Congress.

Cindy Munford on February 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM

You have been marked for words. *smiles*

upinak on February 24, 2010 at 5:25 PM

If things are this wild for the passage of a bill whose bennies don’t kick in for a few years, I can’t begin to imagine how Congress and the POTUS are going to finally deal with Social Security when the country is moments from seeing the financial mushroom cloud.

itzWicks on February 24, 2010 at 5:25 PM

This is why I said in the earlier post that Senate moderates like Landrieu are bluffing about being open to reconciliation.

That’s not really a bluff, as just stating that one is for reconciliation to pass this un-American, un-Constitutional, idiotic health scare is already absorbing 90% of the damage of a vote for reconciliation.

What Landrieu is doing is called, “being a moron who has shown her contempt for our nation and Constitution.”

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM

I have a feeling we’ll be dealing with this for years. If it gets busted up now, then all the bills from here forward are going to be tacked on with socialist medicine this and that.

Incrementalism.

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Kill [the] Bill!

Mr. Joe on February 24, 2010 at 5:27 PM

It took Robert E. Lee three days to figure out he lost the Battle of Gettysburg – and he was actually WINNING on the first two days.

But this crowd … this crowd keeps charging the ridge …

This is almost so embarrassing that I feel sorry for them.

Almost. ;)

HondaV65 on February 24, 2010 at 5:29 PM

But..but…but… Mary Landrieu blew up a big letter and put it on an easel so everybody could see it!

portlandon on February 24, 2010 at 5:31 PM

There is nothing interlocking about Tort Reform or actually attacking and eliminating fraud and abuse now instead of later. Just do that and they would be heroes.

txmomof6 on February 24, 2010 at 5:31 PM

This thing just won’t die! For crying out loud, somebody please que the fat lady already!

galvestonian on February 24, 2010 at 5:32 PM

This is almost so embarrassing that I feel sorry for them.

Almost. ;)

HondaV65 on February 24, 2010 at 5:29 PM

I’ve been thinking the same thing…..feeling sorry for them….okay, Naaaaawwwhhh !

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Incrementalism.

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:27 PM

They have been trying since FDR. They will keep trying if this episode fails. I would guess the Dems will gor for the Incrementalist approach for the forseeable future.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM

It took Robert E. Lee three days to figure out he lost the Battle of Gettysburg – and he was actually WINNING on the first two days.

But this crowd … this crowd keeps charging the ridge …

This is almost so embarrassing that I feel sorry for them.

Almost. ;)

HondaV65 on February 24, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Republicans are in the position of Little Round Top right now and need to hold the line.

txmomof6 on February 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM

I disagree with the premise on Pelosi. I’m no fan of Pelosi, but she has proven she can get the votes for legislation in the House. What the Senate wants her to do is get votes again, based on faith that the Senate will follow through. The problem, she promised her party they could concentrate on getting re-elected and not stick their necks out this year. I’m sure she’s going to need a solid committment before she pushes anything through the house.

bflat879 on February 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM

When the unemployment rate gets back down to around 5%, then I might listen to someone in Congress talking about reforming healthcare…until then…GET OFF OF MY PHONE!

-Channeling Glenn Beck-

smartsy on February 24, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Are you kidding me? His laid-back style?

You mean the one who says, “I won” and makes multiple references to “I’m the president” and the one who says, “Hit them harder” and “come with guns.” That laid-back style?

PrincipledPilgrim on February 24, 2010 at 5:35 PM

After the House Republican’s request today to have Rep. Stupak at the summit tomorrow, the White House tried to invite Senator Snowe–she rejected the invitation.

Stupid White House.

Enoxo on February 24, 2010 at 5:35 PM

I like it when Allah start rooting!

upinak on February 24, 2010 at 5:10 PM

yep, nice to know there is a warm blooded human being behind the cool detached analysis :)

windansea on February 24, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Does this mean the pessimism meter is dead (at least for ObamaCare), AP?

RachDubya on February 24, 2010 at 5:38 PM

They have been trying since FDR. They will keep trying if this episode fails. I would guess the Dems will gor for the Incrementalist approach for the forseeable future.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Obviously this sprinting stuff is tripping them up.

Baby Steps.

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:39 PM

After the House Republican’s request today to have Rep. Stupak at the summit tomorrow, the White House tried to invite Senator Snowe–she rejected the invitation.

Stupid White House.

Enoxo on February 24, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Heh. Checkmate! Is Stupak going?

a capella on February 24, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Hey, New Yorkers–how’s that Hopey-Changey thing working out for ya?

President Obama’s plan to tax investment income to pay for his health care package would force New Yorkers to fork over an additional $4.8 billion in taxes on money they get from interest, dividends and other investments.

But here’s the rub: a study by the Manhattan Institute finds that New Yorkers will pay 12 percent to 15 percent of all the funds raised by the new investment tax. New Jersey residents will pay 7 to 9 percent. That’s nearly 25 percent of the entire tax. . .

“It’s like, imagine a giant sucking machine taking dividend and interest income and sending it from New York to Washington. . .”

Emperor Norton on February 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

“The president could grab the six leading Republican (health care reform) bills, put his name on them and introduce them and Boehner and McConnell would still vote against them,” one senior administration official said.

BULLSHIT!

GarandFan on February 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Heh. Checkmate! Is Stupak going?

a capella on February 24, 2010 at 5:44 PM

I highly doubt that the Dems would allow that to happen.

Enoxo on February 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

I doubt he’s even counting votes anymore on this thing. He’d probably get cold cocked by someone….

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 5:18 PM

I was thinking the same thing Ted. There must be plenty of middle of the road dems in both houses that are sick of this. Please, just make it go away.

JusDreamin on February 24, 2010 at 5:47 PM

“The president could grab the six leading Republican (health care reform) bills, put his name on them and introduce them and Boehner and McConnell would still vote against them,” one senior administration official said.

Did I just hear a senior administration official admit that republicans had 6 alternatives? Hmm?
Sure, he is a twit, but still!

JusDreamin on February 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Don’t know if this has been put up yet:

House members for the dog-and-pony show tomorrow:

* Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
* Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA)
* Energy & Commerce Committee Ranking Republican Joe Barton (R-TX)
* Ways & Means Committee Ranking Republican Dave Camp (R-MI)
* Education & Labor Committee Ranking Republican John Kline (R-MN)
* Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
* Dr. Charles Boustany (R-LA)
* Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL)
* Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)

notropis on February 24, 2010 at 5:52 PM

If reconciliation fails to get the votes, I predict an executive order on health-control or at least a series of smaller EOs like the “Childhood Obesity Task Force” Memorandum he signed back on Feb 9th.

JeffVader on February 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Did I just hear a senior administration official admit that republicans had 6 alternatives? Hmm?

JusDreamin on February 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Heh. Good catch.

I guess the GOP is now “The Party of Only Six Leading Republican (health care reform) Bills”.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM

If they don’t even understand the rules and procedures to get this shit-sandwich through, it should never pass…

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM

I don’t think it’s a case of they don’t understand the rules and procedures, it’s that they do not care what are the rules and procedures.

ya2daup on February 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM

House members for the dog-and-pony show tomorrow:

* Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
* Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA)
* Energy & Commerce Committee Ranking Republican Joe Barton (R-TX)
* Ways & Means Committee Ranking Republican Dave Camp (R-MI)
* Education & Labor Committee Ranking Republican John Kline (R-MN)
* Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
* Dr. Charles Boustany (R-LA)
* Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL)
* Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)

notropis on February 24, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Boehner was taken apart, earlier, by Megyn Kelly, who asked him why he is attending a meeting for legislation that he helped kill, already.

I like Boehner – I really do – but he’s being a total moron on this, along with the rest of those slugs who are helping to resuscitate the worst and most dangerous piece of legislation to come across Congress, ever – and that has been killed 10 times already, only to be revived and pushed anew each time by a Precedent who holds our nation and our institutions and traditions in utter contempt.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Boehner was taken apart, earlier, by Megyn Kelly, who asked him why he is attending a meeting for legislation that he helped kill, already.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

His answer wasn’t very convincing, was it?

The only legitimate point he made was that he didn’t want to see a 6-hour (or however long) infomercial.

But will a 6-hour show trial be better?

I don’t know which way I’d have gone on this, but I’d tend toward the “not show up.”

Obama’s been making his case, uninterrupted, for months now, and he only loses more and more ground. Why would tomorrow have been different?

notropis on February 24, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Kent Conrad must be feeling some heat from home on the same scale that Byron Dorgan felt when he announced his retirement.

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Tom Harkin is vowing that they’re going to pass something by Easter

Tom Harkin passes gas every time he opens his mouth.

J.J. Sefton on February 24, 2010 at 6:07 PM

I’ll feel a lot better come 1/4/2011, when the next Congress takes over and we can say, “It’s dead, Jim.”

steveegg on February 24, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Then the stupid Republicans will introduce a health care bill just to shoe the American people that they really, really care (just being really snarky here)

J.J. Sefton on February 24, 2010 at 6:12 PM

His answer wasn’t very convincing, was it?

Boehner’s answer was, to be charitable, exceedingly diaappointing and silly.

The only legitimate point he made was that he didn’t want to see a 6-hour (or however long) infomercial.

But will a 6-hour show trial be better?

I don’t know which way I’d have gone on this, but I’d tend toward the “not show up.”

Yep. The Precedent making another TV appearnace ranting on about a dead issue with nothing but wild-eyed Dems in the audience is what America should see. To have the GOP there, lending some credibility to this joke is absolutely infuriating.

Obama’s been making his case, uninterrupted, for months now, and he only loses more and more ground. Why would tomorrow have been different?

notropis on February 24, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Exactly.

And now I just saw Boehner endorsing Precedent “profit and earnings ratios” words to the business roundtable that “it’s not a question of bigger government or smaller government but smarter government” [paraphrased from memory]. Just the spectacle of someone uses idiotic and meaningless phrases such as “profit and earnings ratios” talking about “smart” is the definiton of chutzpah. And Boehner needs to be reminded that, even if we did have a smart government, it is still limited in its powers by the Constitution.

I just don’t know what Boehner’s problem is. This isn’t rocket science.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Shoe = show

J.J. Sefton on February 24, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Bret Baier—Next on Special Report—Coming together from further and further apart…..

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

While I agree with your contempt for Obama and the Dems on not letting this thing go into the trash can, I think Boehnor and the Pubs are in a spot where a total “no show” or walk-out will be played in the media as unfavorable to the Pubs. At least Boehnor and the leadership have “prepared” themselves where they won’t look stupid like they did in Baltimore. It’s a damned if ya do and damned if ya don’t scenerio. I’m hoping for the meeting to start out with some one on our side lighting a fuse, (laying down the foundation that kills this pig), and then let the “sh!t fly” with nothing but egg on the Dems and Obama’s faces.

It’s kind of a “fool me once”, the second time you get the hammer. We’ll see soon enough.

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

These idiots are such a joke.

Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM

They keep saying it’s dead, but they have yet to have the burial service.

Blake on February 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

I think Boehnor and the Pubs are in a spot where a total “no show” or walk-out will be played in the media as unfavorable to the Pubs

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

I hear your point, but, so what? Most of America wants this health scare DEAD and is getting very irritated that it keeps getting revived. To have the GOP participate in reviving it, now, is really ticking a lot of people off. I have never seen zombie legislation being brought back to life (with new “justifications” for it every time – who remembers the old, “The federal government needs to open up a health insurance company to provide competition to the private sector”?? for example) like this health scare monstrosity. The difference with the health scare is that it keeps being resuscitated by the Indonesian Imbecile who has nothing but contempt for us and our system – whcih he is endeavoring to destroy by throwing this legislation back again and again. Think back to how Shrillary’s health scare got killed rather quickly and how the shamnesty was finally allowed to die after only a few phone assaults on Congress. We’ve had meetings and protests and rallies and put over a million people in DC to kill this thing. And it died each time, only to be revived by The Precedent to drag its corpse through Congress again. Now, the GOP is taking part in that disgusting destruction of our legislative process.

The MSM is going to paint the GOP as all sorts of things, so I don’t take their propaganda seriously. They haven’t done anything for the health scare, yet, so I don’t see why they would, all of a sudden, have an effect. Massachusetts voted to kill the health scare, not to see the GOP trying to help raise it from the dead.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Oh, remember the good old days?

Dollayo on February 24, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Here is the plank, who is first.

tarpon on February 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM

The MSM is going to paint the GOP as all sorts of things, so I don’t take their propaganda seriously. They haven’t done anything for the health scare, yet, so I don’t see why they would, all of a sudden, have an effect. Massachusetts voted to kill the health scare, not to see the GOP trying to help raise it from the dead.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM

It’s not you I’m worried about NS, it’s the gullible “non-politicals”/swing voters that get eaten up by the media. Consider this just another “process” the Republicans will have to endure because “it’s their dance.” (elections do have consequences) Look at it this way—the Senate and the House are still in disarray, and that won’t change with tomorrow’s outcome. The longer these idiots keep dragging this crap sandwitch along, the longer they will STILL have NOT produced or passed anything else that can further damage this country. I’m actually hoping they nuke this thing in so they can all say goodby to their careers in Nov.

From what I’ve heard today, Boehnor doesn’t sound like he’s going into this meeting to reach for a compromise. It should be an all out confrontation. If I’m wrong, I’ll eat crow and be the first in line with you to verbally beat Boehnor to a pulp.

(as a side note: Fox is playing all the clips of the Dems a few years back crying about Republicans using reconciliation. Even the clip of Biden saying he hopes the Dems won’t pull this crap when they’re back in power, will play well if the Dems pull this trigger. Also, the problem with reconciliation is it tears both the House and Senate bills to shreads by elimminating structural policy and only leaves them with bugetary matters—-it’s a perfect nightmare for these morons.)

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 6:53 PM

I understand your position, Rovin. I’m not worried about the “non-politician/swing voters” since they have been bombarded by the pro-health scare/anti-GOP propaganda for the duration of this fiasco, and they have still turned ever more against it. What concerns me is that many of those people, who have held strong against the Dem/MSM tide for all this time are going to be demoralized by the GOP making a mockery of all the work they have done to kill this bill, over and over and over.

I don’t think that public support of health scare is going to change on this meeting, but it will goose the dem junta to go for another full-frontal assault. If the dems were alone with their Indonesian for this meeting, they would feel the isolation and would be much less enthusiastic about pushing forth on their kamikaze mission.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Hey, any truth to the rumor that B.O. is having the Greek columns dusted off for this spectaboondoogle dog and pony show of his?

pilamaye on February 24, 2010 at 7:04 PM

The Republican party should send their leader “boner” to send a clear message.

Cybergeezer on February 24, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Hey, any truth to the rumor that B.O. is having the Greek columns dusted off for this spectaboondoogle dog and pony show of his?

pilamaye on February 24, 2010 at 7:04 PM

I wish! I can guarentee you if Obama makes this charade about him, (with all his I’s and Me’s), it will be perfect, because this nation is getting sick of his ego.

I don’t think that public support of health scare is going to change on this meeting, but it will goose the dem junta to go for another full-frontal assault. If the dems were alone with their Indonesian for this meeting, they would feel the isolation and would be much less enthusiastic about pushing forth on their kamikaze mission.

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 7:01 PM

My position all along was to NOT attend this joke. I wrote Boehnor, and several other “leaders” pleading that they stay away. The only response I got was from a staffer that said they weighed both scenarios carefully and decided it would be worse to give them an empty table to crow from. While I totally understand and agree with your position, the fact is “this show will go on”. For what it’s worth, the short paragraph sent to me suggested this was not going to be a repeat of Baltimore where Obama took the reins and came out smelling like a rose.

Perhaps after tomorrow you and I can sort this out and either thump on our “appeasers” or say, “whoa, didnt see that coming”.

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM

Killing the bill kills two birds with one stone :)

JiangxiDad on February 24, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Solicitous, but not threatening. . .

Quoth Bayh. Reminds me of what they used to say about Northwestern’s football team–”they’re not very big, but they’re slow.” Boy, that’ll make you quake in your boots.

smellthecoffee on February 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Will Scott Brown be #60 or #41?

angryed on February 24, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Anyone hear Kyl on Hannity’s radio show this afternoon? Hannity tried to lead him towards agreeing to walk out if there was any slant to the playing field tomorrow… Kyl kept evading him and rambling on about how Americans don’t want to hear complaints so it was preferable to just use whatever little time you got to try to make your case.

They still don’t get it. “Americans” (in large numbers) WANT THEM TO WALK OUT. “Americans” DON’T WANT THIS POS BILL. What a bunch of pussies.

They. are. going. to. blow. it.

bofh on February 24, 2010 at 9:19 PM

I just want it to go away. I’m tired of being scared and stressed because of this monstrosity. I want the Democrats to either start over or just drop it.

Obama may be stubborn, and not a quitter, but there comes a point when stubbornness becomes pig-headedness, and we’re already miles past that point. If they ram this thing through, it’s going to be the straw that breaks the budget camel’s back — along with America’s patience.

Just drop it already, Mr. President. The budget’s in the toilet and the bankruptcy monster is getting ready to devour America’s staggering economy. Write up a little bill that smooths some of the current health care system’s rough edges and call it health care reform. I promise, America will cheer your success.

hachiban on February 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Obama loves turmoil. The longer we have to suffer through this nonsense, the happier he will be.

mobydutch on February 24, 2010 at 11:51 PM

If that bunch of Republicans who attend the summit tomorrow screw up, I will be through with the Republican party.

mobydutch on February 24, 2010 at 11:54 PM

Obama would be right at home in a Dilbert cartoon.

Any of us who worked for large companies have worked for an Obama many times. And have sat through countless pointless meetings held by self important mid level managers who can’t do anything else but hold meetings.

You could always tell a good manager from a bad manager by the number of meetings they held. After the company stopped allowing free coffee and donuts in the mid 1990′s, the good ones never had meetings.

Jaynie59 on February 25, 2010 at 8:10 AM

A smaller bill has always been their best bet to salvage a political win, which leaves me as confused as ever as to why Obama introduced a giant one without knowing for sure in advance whether it can pass.

I’m guessing that he still believes that by the force of his personality alone, he can convince the Republicans to back his plan. All he has to do is give a couple more speeches.

MarkTheGreat on February 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM