John Yoo to Obama: I wrote those torture memos to help you too, you know

posted at 8:04 pm on February 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

Fair enough, but The One would counter that the bad press and enemy propaganda generated by the memos ultimately did more harm than good by hurting our “standing in the world.” And you know how much he cares about that, given his escalation in Afghanistan and stepped-up drone attacks and foot-dragging on Gitmo and indefinite detentions without trial and “rendition lite.”

Image is everything, baby.

I did not do this to win any popularity contests, least of all those held in the faculty lounge. I did it to help our president—President Obama, not Bush. Mr. Obama is fighting three wars simultaneously in Iraq, Afghanistan, and against al Qaeda. He will call upon the men and women serving under his command to make choices as hard as the ones we faced. They cannot meet those challenges with clear minds if they believe that a bevy of prosecutors, congressional committees and media critics await them when they return from the battlefield.

This is no idle worry. In 2005, a Navy Seal team dropped into Afghanistan encountered goat herders who clearly intended to inform the Taliban of their whereabouts. The team leader ordered them released, against his better military judgment, because of his worries about the media and political attacks that would follow.

In less than an hour, more than 80 Taliban fighters attacked and killed all but one member of the Seal team and 16 Americans on a helicopter rescue mission. If a president cannot, or will not, protect the men and women who fight our nation’s wars, they will follow the same risk-averse attitudes that invited the 9/11 attacks in the first place.

Follow the link for the gory details on how fanatically — and, according to Yoo, unethically — the DOJ’s ethics department pursued him and Jay Bybee. The irony is, as alluded to above, that interrogation is the one narrow area of counterterror where Obama hasn’t doubled down on Bush practices. Repudiating Yoo is essentially his political cover for doing the full Cheney on everything else, a fact not lost on former Bush press secretary Dana Perino. Quote:

The Obama administration is working with Pakistani intelligence to interrogate Mullah Baradar, reportedly the Taliban’s number-two man. We’ve been a little underwhelmed by the Left’s reaction to this news.

As others have pointed out, the Pakistanis made the arrest and are taking the lead in gathering intelligence from Baradar. But the Pakistanis are not subject to President Obama’s ban on interrogation techniques that go beyond those authorized in the Army Field Manual. The Pakistanis don’t know the Army Field Manual — and probably think the enhanced interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding and sleep deprivation, used in years past against certain al-Qaeda detainees such as Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, are rather quaint…

We suspect … the Obama administration worries day and night about being accused by its base of Bush/Cheney-like behavior, even though it understands that many Bush-administration policies were effective in protecting the country. They needn’t worry. The Left has already shown that it will avert its eyes when it’s Obama calling the plays.

Actually, according to the LA Times, the CIA’s worried not that Pakistan is being too hard on Baradar but that they’re being too easy: Evidently he hadn’t produced much useful info initially (although that may have since changed) and they wanted him transferred to their custody at Bagram for by-the-book questioning. Except — surprise — there are legal obstacles involved, and the ol’ sticky wicket of our standing in the world: “The prison already holds several detainees captured outside Afghanistan. The Pentagon has been reluctant to accept more out of concern that the facility might become a source of international scorn, much like the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.” Maybe O could hire John Yoo to help sort through the regulations? Word on the street is that he’s pretty sharp, although he’s never defended a terrorist so he may not be DOJ material.

Exit question: In light of the reports over the weekend that Baradar led Pakistan to Taliban chieftain Maulvi Kabir, how seriously should we take that LAT piece claiming that Baradar isn’t talking? Isn’t it more likely, given all the arrests lately, that he is talking — and if he is, why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!


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and if he is, why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!

Black sites? Or is that racist now?

Weight of Glory on February 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Renditionmania!

But it is all Booosh’s fault, even if Yoo is covering my butt.

/Obama

upinak on February 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Blowout?? Canada 4, Russia 1 – In the first.

El_Terrible on February 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

I’m surprised Code Pink and MorOn.org can keep up with all the marches and protests against Warmonger PBHO, they have been so busy lately building giant paper-mache heads and burning them.

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM

why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!

Oh come on, the CIA’s watching. Problably grinning and eating lots of popcorn.

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 8:11 PM

In a the web of lies Obama has created, it’s impossible now to tell what is going on. He’s not doing a Bush…Bush told the truth…and Obama demagogued him for it. Obama basically put the Bush system on auto-pilot, but subverted it in other ways…The Eunich-Bomber comes to mind. So, Obama has still materially undermined our ability to defend ourselves, while posturing as some sort of moral salve. In the end, we will pay a high price for this. So, despite the inference that Obama is still doing what Bush did, we are much less safe under his watch. And, I’m afraid, we shall soon see how much less safe.

AUINSC on February 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Hold on here…I trust that none of y’all are suprised to find out that it’s ok to torture our enemies…as long as we ain’t the ones doing the torturin’?
Afterall, this will make them beg for more humane treatment..like, oh, I don’t know, waterboarding?

Chewy the Lab on February 24, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Staggering hypocrisy from the Left again.

John the Libertarian on February 24, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Exit question: In light of the reports over the weekend that Baradar led Pakistan to Taliban chieftain Maulvi Kabir, how seriously should we take that LAT piece claiming that Baradar isn’t talking? Isn’t it more likely, given all the arrests lately, that he is talking — and if he is, why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!

It’s tough to discren what was gleened from him talking and what was derived from materials he had like cell phones, computers, papers, etc.

Hey, wait a second! Wars, terrorism and torture? who cares about these insignificant things. Haven’t you heard Hot Air has gone and caught teh ghey?!!

trubble on February 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Palin/Yoo 2012

WordsMatter on February 24, 2010 at 8:18 PM

I would hope that Yoo wrote the memos for AMERICA and not for a specific person, which explains why 0bama doesn’t like them.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Obama did worse than repudiate Yoo. He allowed DOJ to try and find a way to criminalize his and Bybee’s work.

Hell’s bells, Leahy still isn’t ready to let go and wants hearings on the report clearing the men.

I grant Obama zero credit for anything he does for I figure it’s in spite of his true inclinatons not because of them and that other considerations enter in, not the good of our nation.

KittyLowrey on February 24, 2010 at 8:20 PM

I grant Obama zero credit for anything he does for I figure it’s in spite of his true inclinatons not because of them and that other considerations enter in, not the good of our nation.

Clarify: I grant Obama zero credit for anything he does that echoes the decisions of George W. Bush

KittyLowrey on February 24, 2010 at 8:22 PM

In a the web of lies Obama has created, it’s impossible now to tell what is going on.

AUINSC on February 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Actually, it is quite easy to tell what’s going on. If the state-run media says that Obumbles did something sensible, it’s a lie. If the SRM says that conservatives did something bad or immoral, it’s a lie.

And if BJ Clinton wags his finger in your face, it’s a Big Lie.

platypus on February 24, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Blowout?? Canada 4, Russia 1 – In the first.

El_Terrible on February 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

That first period was a gangland-style assault. The USA may have awoken the giant.

JammieWearingFool on February 24, 2010 at 8:23 PM

This is all fine and good…

But reading that our front line soldiers have to call on a “judge” before they can engage the enemy on the battlefield of war based on Obowma’s rules of engagement makes all of this just skid marks on the bowl.

Has anyone else noticed that we have surpased the 1,000 count of our best and bravest in Afghanistan, without the daily drum beat of casualty reports from the main stream media during the Bush years?

If Obowma wants to fight to win with un-manned drones, and rendition, I’m fine with that, but I don’t think he wants to “win“.

Seven Percent Solution on February 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM

It’s 9/11 2001, but instead of planes flying into buildings, it’s a dirty bomb going off in three cities, including in Manhattan. Bush is not President, but Kerry is. The Congress does the same thing that they did under Bush in allowing the same EIT’s. They get two captured scumbags to talk and we find two more bombs and stop those attacks. Lower New York is uninhabitable and downtown Seattle would have been the same if not for the EIT program 0in place.

Now…..fast forward to 2006 and forward to the current day. Would we be having this conversation? Would a John Woo Democrat Lawyer who OK’d the legalthe reasoning for EIT program be treated this way? Would Olby and the Left be asking for administration members be charged with “war crimes” and prosecuted?

No. No. No.

It’s ALL POLITICS. Period. It happened under the “wrong” party’s rule, that’s all.

Opposite Day on February 24, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Thank you!

Blake on February 24, 2010 at 8:28 PM

But it is all Booosh’s fault, even if Yoo is covering my butt.
/Obama
upinak on February 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM

This is all Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

Look at those names who are in glee… John Yoo, Bybee, AllahPundit, upinak…. they are all racists and participants in VRWC. None of this is true. See I closed the torturehouse created by Cheney and Boosh aka.. GITMO … oh wait never mind… How am I responsible for Pakistani’s torturing their prisoner’s.

/The Magnificent One

antisocial on February 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Yoo who?

manwithblackhat on February 24, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Do those torture memo’s apply in Canada? There’s a bloodbath on the ice. Canada 6, Russia 1

El_Terrible on February 24, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Nah, we cannot blame the CIA on this. They have been far too busy working on a new assessment report on Iran. Rumor has it that they are going to reveal that Iran has possibly been monkeying around with uranium atoms. Nothing definite, mind you.

GnuBreed on February 24, 2010 at 8:34 PM

John Yoo just replaced Daniel Hannan as my number one man-crush.

Jim-Rose on February 24, 2010 at 8:36 PM

7-3 Canada

Shootout.

Russian Bear not going down easily.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Exit question: In light of the reports over the weekend that Baradar led Pakistan to Taliban chieftain Maulvi Kabir, how seriously should we take that LAT piece claiming that Baradar isn’t talking? Isn’t it more likely, given all the arrests lately, that he is talking — and if he is, why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!

I think the recent arrests have more to do with the guy that got busted with all the documentation and whatnot.

Pakistan is not to be trusted under any circumstances.

uknowmorethanme on February 24, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Yoo/Norris 2012

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Fair enough, but The One would counter that the bad press and enemy propaganda generated by the memos ultimately did more harm than good by hurting our “standing in the world.” And you know how much he cares about that, given his escalation in Afghanistan and stepped-up drone attacks and foot-dragging on Gitmo and indefinite detentions without trial and “rendition lite.”

Image is everything, baby.
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Boy does Obama have himself in a political pickle,and as he
is a former Anti-War Protester,he certainly is in his own
quagmire!!
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Found this,
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Barack Obama, Interventionist and Ultimate Jihadi Hero

by Michael Scheuer, December 31, 2009

In a statement of less than a quarter-hour, then, Obama demonstrated how thoroughly he slicked Americans in the last presidential election. The “hope” he offered turns out to be not less but more war-causing interventionism framed by a secularist “moral compass” alien to most non-elite Americans; the “Yes we can” slogan has proven to refer to making Obama’s Washington the agent of forced Westernization from the Congo to Afghanistan, and from Burma to Iran; and the president’s much-touted “audacity” seems nothing more than Obama’s brass in continuing to reassuringly chant the Bush-Clinton-Bush lie to Americans that Islamists attack us because of our way of life not because of our interventionism.
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http://original.antiwar.com/scheuer/2009/12/30/barack-obama-interventionist-and-ultimate-jihadi-hero/

Btw,this is from an Ant-War Website!!!!
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canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 8:55 PM

7-3 Canada

Shootout.

Russian Bear not going down easily.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 8:53 PM

I heard an interview on ESPNradio today with a Canadian. The reporter asked, “What will you do if Canada loses to Russia tonight?” The fan answered, “Slit my wrists…(pause)…You think I’m kidding?”

uknowmorethanme on February 24, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Exit question: In light of the reports over the weekend that Baradar led Pakistan to Taliban chieftain Maulvi Kabir, how seriously should we take that LAT piece claiming that Baradar isn’t talking? Isn’t it more likely, given all the arrests lately, that he is talking — and if he is, why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!

Take it seriously. Each capture results in a little treasure trove of intel–upcoming meetings, cell phone numbers, notes, hard drives, flash drives, etc. All that can get exploited pretty quick and turn into action courtesy of Stan the Man McChrystal himself.

Pakistan scuffs him up? Too bad so sad…No lost sleep tonight over that. However, if the WH is so concerned about terrorist *rights*, then how can they stand idly by and engage in *harsh interrogation* and (!!) waterboarding maybe by proxy? That’s got to weigh on the leftist consciencer, er…wait… they..have. no. conscience…

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 8:57 PM

I heard an interview on ESPNradio today with a Canadian. The reporter asked, “What will you do if Canada loses to Russia tonight?” The fan answered, “Slit my wrists…(pause)…You think I’m kidding?”

uknowmorethanme on February 24, 2010 at 8:56 PM

No friggin doubt. I live in Red Wing Country. This is Friggin’ Life or Death. My Blood is on fire.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 8:58 PM

7-3 Canada

Shootout.

Russian Bear not going down easily.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Scoreboard44:Thanks for the update,I’d rather be
(dead than RED)!!!:)

canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Heavyweight F**kin Fight.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 8:59 PM

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don’t oppose all wars.
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Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
| October 02, 2002
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http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Btw,this is from an Ant-War Website!!!!
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canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 8:55 PM

I can tell, especially because of this line:

and the president’s much-touted “audacity” seems nothing more than Obama’s brass in continuing to reassuringly chant the Bush-Clinton-Bush lie to Americans that Islamists attack us because of our way of life not because of our interventionism.

Where were we intervening before 9-11?

You don’t mean intervening in the slaughtering of Sunni Muslims in Bosnia? Where was the US intervening during the 7th and 8th century when the Arabs were attempting to take over the world?

I’m sick of these ignorant fools pushing the “they hate us because we blah blah blah” instead of the reality that they hate us because we are non-Arab and non-Muslim.

uknowmorethanme on February 24, 2010 at 9:07 PM

and probably think the enhanced interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding and sleep deprivation, used in years past against certain al-Qaeda detainees such as Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, are rather quaint…

Yep I bet ole Mullah Baradar, is wishing he was somewhere within Eric Holder’s purview…..

Dr Evil on February 24, 2010 at 9:16 PM

John Yoo: Barack Obama may not realize it, but I may have just helped save his presidency. How? By winning a drawn-out fight to protect his powers as commander in chief to wage war and keep Americans safe.

No matter what you think of limits on executive power, it’s strange for Yoo to say that a) he won the fight and b) he helped Obama. The only thing he has won is not being disbarred or punished. The memos he wrote were rejected by the Bush administration and the techniques he said were legal were considered to be illegal by both administrations. How is that winning or helping Obama?

tneloms on February 24, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Anybody got a list of Muslim agression since the time of Washington? Who was it, which President sent the ships to fight on the Barbary Coast.

Help me here.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Shores of Tripoli and stuff.

Memory foggy.

Canadians 7 – Russia 3.
3rd period.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 9:19 PM

The One would counter that the bad press and enemy propaganda generated by the memos ultimately did more harm than good

And that bad press was driven by…? Duh.

As for “enemy propaganda”, I seem to recall that Bush was the enemy back in the day. And oh yeah, the same Lefties that spout that tired line also want to cuddle up to the little Palestinians wearing suicide bomb vests.

Sometimes my old comrades really make me want to puke.

Bruno Strozek on February 24, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Isn’t it more likely, given all the arrests lately, that he is talking — and if he is, why shouldn’t we believe that Pakistan’s getting rough with him while the CIA looks the other way? Renditionmania!

Well we won’t know till the end game (results) because they all get together, and decide what information to disseminate to the public…you know what’s fit for public consumption – what they think we can handle….no one wants to stampede a nervous herd ;)

I really do believe that Nancy Pelosi, was briefed about enhanced interrogations, and the use of water boarding. I think she probably knows more details about how information was extracted, than her constituents would ever tolerate.

Dr Evil on February 24, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Anybody got a list of Muslim agression since the time of Washington? Who was it, which President sent the ships to fight on the Barbary Coast.

Help me here.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Thomas Jefferson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

Dr Evil on February 24, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Follow the link for the gory details on how fanatically — and, according to Yoo, unethically — the DOJ’s ethics department pursued him and Jay Bybee.

I’m guessing it was more than 50 minutes.

BTW, in one year Obama is responsible for 1/3 of the US military deaths in Afghanistan. Bush gets the other 2/3. But it took 7-8 years to do it.

How many more, Barack? Code Pink was not available for comment.

BobMbx on February 24, 2010 at 9:29 PM

tneloms on February 24, 2010 at 9:17 PM

1:08

You can do better. Go for the Gold.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Anybody got a list of Muslim agression since the time of Washington? Who was it, which President sent the ships to fight on the Barbary Coast.

Help me here.

Scoreboard44 on February 24, 2010 at 9:18 PM

The President was Jefferson.
He knew how to deal with them!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 24, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Dang!
Dr. Evil beat me to it.
Btw-I didn’t need to look it up.
Being a nerd-girl has a few upsides. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 24, 2010 at 9:34 PM

I’m surprised Code Pink and MorOn.org can keep up with all the marches and protests against Warmonger PBHO, they have been so busy lately building giant paper-mache heads and burning them.

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Bishop:Yup,All Quiet on the MoonBat Front!!:)

canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 9:46 PM

O/t. Patriot act extended one more year. Can we expect riots from the freedom loving left?

daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Staggering hypocrisy from the Left again.
John the Libertarian on February 24, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Unprecedented.

txhsmom on February 24, 2010 at 9:53 PM

This is all fine and good…

Seven Percent Solution on February 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Good point,if I remember right,all
of the MSM,made it their duty,daily,
to make sure the American people
know of the body count!

And wheres the pictures!!

And,Victory,well,he is an Anti-War
protester,Hopey is shoreing up
his voter supporters!!:)

canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 9:56 PM

O/t. Patriot act extended one more year. Can we expect riots from the freedom loving left?

daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 9:48 PM

daesleeper: Dissent is patriotic!!(sarc).

canopfor on February 24, 2010 at 9:59 PM

The lefties in the faculty lounge are all saying, “Et tu, Yoo?” For those of you in Rio Linda that means, “Yoo, too?”

smellthecoffee on February 24, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Fair enough, but The One would counter that the bad press and enemy propaganda generated by the memos ultimately did more harm than good by hurting our “standing in the world.”

I can’t say that I recall any jihadis railing against the Yoo memos for Allah. Democrats, on the other hand…

Pablo on February 24, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Well at least the LA Times will say this terrorist “isn’t talking” when clearly he is being “tortured” and we are catching a lot of his buddies… if the LA Times had been on the US side during the Bush administration maybe all this would all be over by now.

The American media must take some responsibilities for impeding the Bush administration is prosecuting the war. Who knows if they had done what papers did in WWII… well I said it before. Maybe all this would be over by now.

petunia on February 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM

O/t. Patriot act extended one more year. Can we expect riots from the freedom loving left?

daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Certainly, as soon as the Republicans take congress you can bet they will find plenty to complain about again.

They are very well funded when there are Republicans to demonstrate against.

petunia on February 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Great post, Allah. You put it all together.

So all is well with the left. All of the things the left labeled human rights violations are taking place under Obama, and not a word of complaint. And those Paki “persuaders” are really doing their thing for us. Beats the CIA any time! And aren’t we still monitoring in on terrorist phone calls from overseas? The left is cool with that, too.

chris999 on February 24, 2010 at 11:36 PM

The Left has already shown that it will avert its eyes when it’s Obama calling the plays.

Nancy “I was never informed” Pelosi

Harry “the war is lost” Reid.

Oh yeah. Eyes wide shut…

TN Mom on February 25, 2010 at 12:29 AM

BTW, in one year Obama is responsible for 1/3 of the US military deaths in Afghanistan. Bush gets the other 2/3. But it took 7-8 years to do it.

How many more, Barack? Code Pink was not available for comment.

BobMbx on February 24, 2010 at 9:29 PM

That is a very good point and the media won’t address it. The underlying reason is the ridiculously restrictive ROE put in place when Obama put his General in charge.

jwp1964 on February 25, 2010 at 12:47 AM

Of course, Palin is always pro-American and pro-people.

Palin is actually more Presidential. Her point is basically this:

STOP POLITICIZING THE MILITARY!!!!!

Obama and Yu, STFU!

TheAlamos on February 25, 2010 at 4:04 AM

Obama and Yu, STFU!

TheAlamos on February 25, 2010 at 4:04 AM

Are you referring to John Yoo? What the hell are you talking about?

Blake on February 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM