Happy summit eve: 73% say Congress should stop work or start over on ObamaCare
posted at 6:51 pm on February 24, 2010 by Allahpundit
Via Centristnet, behold the party public of no.
The survey indicates nearly half of all Democrats say Congress should pass legislation similar to the bills passed by both chambers, with nearly 4 in 10 Democrats saying Congress should start from scratch and just 1 in 10 saying lawmakers should stop all work on health care.
A majority of Republicans questioned, 54 percent, want Congress to start from scratch, with just under 4 in 10 saying lawmakers should halt work on health care reform and just 6 percent saying Congress should pass into law the current legislation.
Fifty-two percent of Independents want Congress to start work on a new bill, with 27 percent saying lawmakers should stop all work, and 18 percent saying that the current legislation should be passed into law.
In other words, even Democrats are evenly split about going back to the drawing board. Overall, 48 percent want to start over and another 25 percent just want to … stop. What’s most remarkable about those numbers is how unremarkable they are, really. Geraghty notes that net approval for O-Care is -10 to -15 points in nine different polls conducted recently, and a CNN poll taken in November showed fully 72 percent of the public at the time wanting to either stop work, start over, or make major changes to the bills then circulating in Congress. It’s not that opposition is huge, in other words, it’s that it’s been consistently huge for months on end. And yet here we are, 15 hours or so away from a marathon C-SPAN clusterfark dedicated to the idea that if only America can watch The One lecture Republicans about the individual mandate, it’s all going to start to turn around.
The mandate itself, incidentally, is now -8 in net approval, although most of the other core provisions poll well individually. (Just don’t mention the cost!) To help put you in the mood for tomorrow’s love-in, here’s Anthony Weiner showing off some of his new Hopenchange-brand bipartisan spirit.









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Make it stop, please, make it stop….
d1carter on February 24, 2010 at 7:13 PM
Who are the other 27%? Lobbyists who got what they wanted?
trubble on February 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM
Since when has Obama given a damn what the people want? His only goal is to establish a pure Marxist state and he’ll let nothing stand in his way.
rplat on February 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM
I rest my case. Anyone from the GOP who attends tomorrow’s fiasco, the only purpose of which is to resuscitate this zombie legislation that AMERICA WANTS DEAD, is just too dumb for words.
neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM
Don’t start over. Don’t pass GO. Leave it alone.
upinak on February 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM
People that work at resturants, and part time jobs.
upinak on February 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Hmmmm… what percentage of the Workforce works for the government nowadays…
Romeo13 on February 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Burn ObamaCare to the ground. Than take the ashes and bury them in the ground. Cover it in concrete.
portlandon on February 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Who are the other 27%?
It is the same # of loons that ‘strongly support’ the IndonesianImbecile™…..
t on February 24, 2010 at 7:16 PM
BRING THIS SUCKAH DOWN…..
Wah-tur-Looh
Wah-tur-Looh
Feel the hope and change?
Wah-tur-Looh
Wah-tur-Looh
PappyD61 on February 24, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Great news! Valerie Jarret was just on Fox Report, talking down to us at our level ‘splaining things. I think I got it this time…
OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 7:17 PM
Obama, Pelosi, Reid standing in a room, fingers in their ears, and blabbering “la la la la la we can’t hear you la la la la la.”
Mallard T. Drake on February 24, 2010 at 7:17 PM
These are the only people the Democrats are playing to with tomorrow’s summit.
They think that if they can move that 40%, they can save their majority in 2010, and worry about everything else later.
notropis on February 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM
73% say stop or start over? Lawdy, I didn’t realize there were that many racists in this country!
Mallard T. Drake on February 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Blazing Saddles redux.
Cybergeezer on February 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM
If they were going to use reconciliation, they’d already have done it. Obama is flopping like a fish on the ship deck.
John the Libertarian on February 24, 2010 at 7:19 PM
The European Model of National Health Care
What our progressive masters want. For the good of the People.
Kill this Bill.
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
@t
Its only 25% actually…2% undecided.
and those 25% are the never give up Dem base…..
BTW, Allah, thanks alot for the link to my post at Centristnet, my blog.
Please folks check it out and comment a little here and there i’d appreciate it. :)
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Actually, there is some HC reform that I want and could pass…Allow interstate insurance competition and tort reform. That would fix a lot of the problems right now. Won’t happen, but since we’re on the subject, I thought I would mention it.
AUINSC on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Heh. Nice.
Weight of Glory on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
They’re coming out of the woodwork, ain’t they?
And how’d you get that r-word through the Hot Air hyperfilter?
notropis on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Obama, what part of NO! don’t you understand?
kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Then build a nuclear power plant on top of it.
John the Libertarian on February 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Obama: what should we do?
Pelosi: I’m not sure, what do you think we should do?
Obama: I can give another speech to explain things better
Pelosi: That could work, but I am not sure
Obama: Well, I don’t know what else to do.
Reid: Will you two shut up and keep digging.
Mallard T. Drake on February 24, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Listen: You are wasting a lot of pixels with all of your ridiculous posts.
Here are the facts – People want free health care. The earth is being destroyed by humans and their filthy non-union made vehicles. Dictators are good people, just misunderstood.
If we could all just agree on these simple undeniable facts then you could stop wasting time by posting this kind of drivel, and I wouldn’t have to keep telling you why you’re so so wrong.
Seriously.
Dorvillian on February 24, 2010 at 7:21 PM
You say that like it matters. Do you think someone hell bent on collapsing the economy really cares?
RightWinged on February 24, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Sarah Palin: More of the Same, Only More Expensive
Juno77 on February 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM
And this means 2 things to Captain Beautimus…
Jack and S%#T!
FULL STEAM AHEAD!!!
BigWyo on February 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM
Obama is Kid Shelleen from Cat Ballou:
“He missed the barn!”.
Cybergeezer on February 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM
aptly named…..
ted c on February 24, 2010 at 7:24 PM
Fort Wasilla lobs a couple of Mortars over to Cirque De Obama’s Circus.
“The President can perfume this proposal however he wants, but it still doesn’t pass the smell test. Washington should listen to Americans now, or Washington will hear us in November.”
- Sarah Palin
portlandon on February 24, 2010 at 7:24 PM
This reminds me of the old Scooby Doo cartoons where the villian always says at the end of the cartoon “And I would have done it if it hadn’t been for you blasted kids?”
Dire Straits on February 24, 2010 at 7:24 PM
REPUBLICANS SHOULD GO SKIING TOMORROW AND BLOW OFF THIS CLOWN’S SUMMIT. SNOW PREDICTED FOR WASHINGTON AREA; GOOD MESSAGE TO SEND WHITE HOUSE.
IntheNet on February 24, 2010 at 7:25 PM
You know, if he said “Let me be perfectly clear,” it`ll push his numbers up.
ThePrez on February 24, 2010 at 7:25 PM
What a failure. The only people who approve are the cultists who still worship the ground O walks on.
marmaran on February 24, 2010 at 7:25 PM
You can’t put lipstick on an Obama!
Cybergeezer on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM
Welcome to the forum, Mister precedent!
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM
27% drunk
Wade on February 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM
By the way, I think I’ve found the best movie clip to show the debate among the Left when it comes to Obamacare and ramming it through.
Weight of Glory on February 24, 2010 at 7:27 PM
What time does the lecture, to be followed by the First President Temper Tantrum (TM), start tomorrow?
kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Allah, I you begin to understand that the more unpopular this is, the more The Precedent will push it. His primary goal has nothing to do with health insurance or health care (which was obvious when he handed off all details to Reid and Pelosi) but is just to cause as much chaos in our nation and to do as much damage to our institutions and traditions and he possibly can. He’s already done quite a bit with this health scare monstrosity, as our legislative process has NEVER been so abused and aligned against the citizenry before, but he wants to push it to the very end … and the morons in the GOP are happy to go along with it, because they don’t know what the hell is going on.
neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Jealous!
Cybergeezer on February 24, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Er … that should have been “I hope you begin …”
neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 7:27 PM
And a joyous Summit Eve to you as well. As the children and I were hanging copies of our health insurance policy on the reform bush, I made sure they knew the story of St. Barry and his never-ending agenda item. Then we gathered together to sing the songs of the season including the theme song to Doogie Howser, M.D.
highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM
(I know, but I just can’t help myself)
Seven Percent Solution on February 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM
The health care industry was Weiner’s second biggest industry backer in 2008, so I guess that makes him just a “partially-owned subsidiary” of the industry.
ICBM on February 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM
What do you know?
Insurance companies give more to Democrats than Republicans.
Slublog on February 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM
FIFY. show the Messiah the proper respect.
;-)
trubble on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
73% of Americans know exactly what he is doing.
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
Could there be a bright side to this? A marathon Obamapalooza might be just the thing, to finally make even the most ardent admirer of his, find him tiresome?
tru2tx on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
She should have said that you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
Mallard T. Drake on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
so 73% of us just don’t know what is for our own good? Got it.
Just keep hittin’ that chicken Barry.
JusDreamin on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
Here comes Jimbo3 to tell you for the three dozenth time that two things are already in the bill…
Missy on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
Who pi$$ed in your Wheaties??
yoda on February 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM
The tip off to me that this isn’t going to be a serious meeting was when FNC talked about the debate over the table that was going to be used.
highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM
The President has wrestled control of the health care debate away from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid by finally introducing his own plan. Unfortunately, the White House’s proposal includes everything we found untenable about the old Senate bill – only this one is even more expensive! This is what you might call putting “perfume on a pig.”
What’s in this “new” proposal? It has the unpopular (and arguably unconstitutional) individual mandate that forces people and employers to purchase health insurance – only this time with much harsher fines on employers who choose not to go along with another expensive government mandate. It has provisions that will make employers think twice before expanding their workforce. It has cuts to Medicare Advantage, a popular program which allows seniors to pay a little more money out of pocket for better coverage. And, of course, it still has sweetheart deals – only this time they’ve been extended even more.
We don’t know what the final long-term cost of this will be because the Congressional Budget Office hasn’t had a chance to calculate costs. We do know that the White House recognizes that its proposal will cost tens of billions more over the next ten years than the already-expensive $2.5 trillion Senate bill. The President promised last July that he won’t sign a health care bill if it “adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” But he’s now proposing a health care bill with uncertain fiscal repercussions that could lead to endless deficits.
The rising cost of care has driven the entire health care reform debate. So how does the President’s proposal address this central issue? Price controls. That’s right: Washington, D.C. wants to give a panel of bureaucrats the power to cap insurance premiums and prices. As Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute notes, “artificially limiting premium growth allows the government to curtail spending while leaving the dirty work of withholding medical care to private insurers.” This leads to rationing. Any economist worth his salt – including the White House’s own Larry Summers – will tell you that price controls lead to all sorts of negative unintended consequences. It’s another step towards government controlled health care and away from the real solution: free market, patient-centered reform.
With a government-growing proposal this bad, it’s no wonder the President wants bipartisan cover for it in an election year. Thursday’s health care summit is already being revealed as little more than a photo-op. The Obama administration still denies the existence of the House Republicans’ health care plan that offers alternative solutions to health care challenges – even though the White House website links right to it.
The President’s proposal doesn’t include pro-free market ideas like allowing people to buy insurance across state lines, giving individual buyers the same tax benefits as those who get insurance through their employers, or instituting real medical liability reform. Despite the “kumbaya” rhetoric, Democrats are making plans to ram this bill through the Senate using a partisan procedural maneuver that will bypass the normal bipartisan debate process.
In the meantime, the White House will continue to ignore Republican reform ideas and cast the GOP as the party of no. That’s a hard sell considering that Democrats still hold the majority in the House and Senate. The only real “gridlock” preventing Democrats from doing what they want is the very real threat of America’s voice being heard at the ballot box.
The public is clearly opposed to the Democrats’ health care bills. Americans want to scrap these big-government plans and start over with common-sense, incremental reform. Some on the left have urged Democrats to vote for Obamacare because it’s a foot in the door for universal health care. They understand what’s at stake; so should the rest of us.
The President can perfume this proposal however he wants, but it still doesn’t pass the smell test. Washington should listen to Americans now, or Washington will hear us in November.
- Sarah Palin
unseen on February 24, 2010 at 7:31 PM
Followed by lie after lie about how there is a fail safe firewall which ensures abortion isn’t expanded under the scheme.
highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM
President Custer is sure to win them all over tomorrow. He just hasn’t been trying hard enough until now. He just has to win somewhere between 50-75 million of our hearts and minds with this dog and pony show and then things will be just fine! March on!
stldave on February 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM
highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM
The thing is, he will be lost without TOTUS. If he is staring down at the table a lot, he’s reading from a script.
kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 7:32 PM
good thing THAT WOMAN doesn’t have any ideas. Could you imagine the smack down she could give Obama if she was educated at havard?
/scar
unseen on February 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM
27%, who the heck are you? – 73%
73%, Obviously you are all racists – 27%
antisocial on February 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM
By the way…
Congress and Obowma still have exempted themselves, the unions, and ALL Federal employees and bureaucrats from “Obowmacare” in all forms, shapes, and sizes.
They get to choose, we get to pay for it.
… Happy?
Seven Percent Solution on February 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM
And in the morning all the Children’s Stockings have a lump of coal, a block of Government Cheese, and a bill for $787,219 (without interest).
portlandon on February 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM
27%, who the heck are you? – 73%
antisocial on February 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM
this would be the “elites”
unseen on February 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM
She did mention the pig though:
“The President has wrestled control of the health care debate away from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid by finally introducing his own plan. Unfortunately, the White House’s proposal includes everything we found untenable about the old Senate bill – only this one is even more expensive! This is what you might call putting “perfume on a pig.”“
portlandon on February 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM
I don’t see the problem. Obama just needs to get Valerie Jarret out there to explain all that complicated Washington stuff to us and I’m sure we’d realize he’s only trying to help us.
Plus, I want her to teach me how to be a successful Chicago crook and rabid Marxist, just like her and make lotsa money!
darwin on February 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM
The tip off to me that this is going to be Kubuki theatre tomorrow is that San Fran Nan has been quite lately.
Dire Straits on February 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM
This guy forget the /s tag?
daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM
This guy forget the /s tag?
daesleeper on February 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM
Yep.
kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 7:36 PM
I agree 100 percent. And do it one small sensible bill at a time.
Why should we care if he cares? We are the ones that can shove our reforms down Obama and Congress’ throats. Not vice-versa unless we let them.
mike_NC9 on February 24, 2010 at 7:37 PM
She’s just recharging on the Borg Cube.
darwin on February 24, 2010 at 7:37 PM
Says CNN
Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Two things:
1) It doesn’t matter what the poll numbers say about the public not liking this Bill or the direction of the White House & Congress. Dr. LaMonte Hill’s statement on Bill O’Reilly’s show last night is a microcosm of what the people in charge think: We don’t understand what is good for us. Do not discount this. They REALLY believe this. And they will pass any bill if they think, in their opinion, it is “good” for us.
2) Weiner is a classic party hack. He can wax on all about how Republicans are “owned” by the Insurance Companies, but counts on YOU not knowing the back room deals the Dems made with the Ins Co’s or explain how is it that one of the biggest advertisers playing commercials just 3 months ago that were “Pro-Health Care Bill”, were from INSURANCE COMPANIES. This guy is so entrenched in demonizing, labeling politicking that he is just on auto-pilot.
Opposite Day on February 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM
You don’t suppose he’s going solo on this do you? The man has teleprompters in the Oval Office restroom to cue him in about the appropriate time to wipe. Surely he wouldn’t spend six hours in front of C-Span without backup!
highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 7:42 PM
I’m thrilled to know that all Americans (except Union affiliated Americans) will be bailing out the Unions’ legacy costs for lifetime health care for all of its members.
That’s what this is all about. Don’t take your eye off the ball. This is a bailout scheme for the Unions and has NOTHING to do with the interests of average Americans.
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Maybe he has it written on his hand.. or writs.. or forearms.
upinak on February 24, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Weiner. Why do Progressives continue to think they represent the majority of Americans? They aren’t relevant, just incredibly annoying. And every single Progressive I’ve ever met needs to take a shower and wash their hair. (Just stealing a line from Weiner.)
ctmom on February 24, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Shhh. She’s always ‘absent’ in February. It’s her time for fillers, botox, stretch and spend therapy. At our expense, of course.
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:46 PM
And there’s a perfectly good reason why we are hearing NO DISSENT from the pharmaceuticals—-the payoffs were done months ago—–(hint: the money did not go to Republicans)
Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Karma… it’s what’s on the blogosphere.
upinak on February 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM
If she gets a staph infection while going through her “regime”… we will have to pay for her funeral. Can you imagine THAT cost. *shudders*
upinak on February 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Let’s go back to his 2009 budget. Wherein, in anticipation of “Health Care Reform”, he already budgeted over $600 million dollars. Where is that money, exactly?
WHERE’S THE MONEY, OBAMA? You spent it in 2009!
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM
The poll numbers “are meaningless” because, as we’ve had pointed out so very many times, we don’t know what’s good for us and The Won does!
He doesn’t care about poll numbers. All he cares about is this is the Democrat’s golden opportunity to get a full Socialist program into law and nothing will stop him from doing so. Nothing. Period.
GoldenEagle4444 on February 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Cremation. Cheaper than trying to make a dead corpse look like the one we see on TV every day (except February… that’s “her month”) LOL
Key West Reader on February 24, 2010 at 7:51 PM
This just tells them they need to use smaller words and speak slowly to us and then we’ll understand.
scalleywag on February 24, 2010 at 7:55 PM
So tomorrow we can expect some high drama?
Dr Evil on February 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM
its not that Obama doesn’t care about the poll #s, he doesn’t see the poll #s. how many instances have we heard of where WH staff hide bad political news from the President?
and this President doesn’t want to know anything because he already knows it all.
kelley in virginia on February 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM
how about some congressman with some stones roll that bill in there and start reading the sucker in toto.
ted c on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM
oh wait, we don’t have congressmen with stones… do we?
ted c on February 24, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Canada leads Russia 3-0 (hockey)in the first period.
El_Terrible on February 24, 2010 at 7:58 PM
well, ted c., that sure as hell wouldn’t be our Congressman. and did you know that Organizing for America, Bambi’s million member volunteer force of crack whores, 20 yr old whackos & union thugs (funded by DNC) has targeted 2 races for November? the Colorado Senate seat & our own Va. 5th CD. they want to hold Perriello’s seat.
so ted c.: rent out some rooms for OFA!
kelley in virginia on February 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Nawhh just beating up on Republicans and Insurance companies plus plenty of “Let me be clear” and “I” statements
Dire Straits on February 24, 2010 at 8:00 PM
ted c: can’t wait til some of those OFA “volunteers” come door-to-door in rural Virginia. hahaha
kelley in virginia on February 24, 2010 at 8:00 PM
That’s one weiner I would spit on.
txag92 on February 24, 2010 at 8:01 PM
cut weiners up in little bites for all children up until 14 years of age.
kelley in virginia on February 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Dems don’t want it, Republicans don’t want it, Independents don’t want it,
mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm.
fogw on February 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM
So, I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s had a boss that decided he/she could do something better than the silly minions with whom he/she was saddled (until such a time as he/she could prove to his/her boss [who was, let's face it equally as incompetent as said minions]).
Yes, yes, I GET that BHO isn’t Harry and Nancy’s boss…but he thinks he is.
I’ve arranged my schedule to work at home until noon tomorrow…if I didn’t have to meet clients in the afternoon, bloody marys would be involved. However, I will have to content myself with coffee and maybe a rare cigarette.
I hope I just don’t have a sudden urge to slit my wrists when the republicans, en masse, offer to figuratively Monica-ize dear leader in front of the cameras.
Conversely, I don’t expect him to curl up in a fetal position in defeat either, but one can only hope. (Sigh! What would life be without our most bizarre fantasies?)
I’ll be happy if the ‘Pubs walk out of the room with their respective genatalia intact…and that ain’t much of a bar for them to vault over and exceed my expectations…I shurly does witch they had just said, “Um, no. Next question.”
Chewy the Lab on February 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM
The party of no?
Having clear public support advantage going into tomorrow’s summit, Republicans need to stand firm and be the party of KNOW. The Dem, don’t knows, screw up just about everything they touch. Just kill the government healthcare power grab!!
b3026 on February 24, 2010 at 8:13 PM
This pretty much sums it up….Preview of ObamaCare horror show.
Here’s hoping this turns out as effective as The One’s Race/Beer Summit. ;)
sarahpalinfan99 on February 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM
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