Cantor, Stupak: Pelosi’s 15 votes short of passing ObamaCare; Update: Boehner calls on Dems to invite Stupak to summit

posted at 1:54 pm on February 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

Actually, as you’ll see, Stupak says it may be more like “15 to 20.” Cantor’s head count of likely no’s this time around via the Daily Caller:

He estimates that House Democrats will likely only be able to attract 202 votes out of the 255-member caucus, 15 votes below the 217-vote threshold they need to pass the bill…

But a House Democratic leadership aide responded Wednesday to Cantor, saying he was “assuming the president’s proposal is a final bill.”…

On the abortion issue, here are the key lawmakers who voted for the House bill in November that Cantor says will not vote for the president’s proposal:

1. Cao, Anh (LA)
2. Costello, Jerry (IL)
3. Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA)
4. Donnelly, Joe (IN)
5. Driehaus, Steve (OH)
6. Ellsworth, Brad (IN)
7. Kaptur, Marcy (OH)
8. Kildee, Dale (MI)
9. Lipinski, Dan (IL)
10. Oberstar, Jim (MN)
11. Stupak, Bart (MI)
12. Wilson, Charlie (OH)

He’s got several others pegged as possible no’s in protest of the Senate’s use of reconciliation. NBC is keeping hope alive, noting that Blue Dogs who voted no on the House bill last time because it had a public option and raised taxes may be wooed by Obama’s more “moderate bill.” But that assumes that (a) no progressives will walk away from Obama because he didn’t include a public option, and (b) that the political risk to Blue Dogs in voting yes now is the same as, or even less than, the risk they faced when voting on Pelosi’s bill in November, which of course is insane. In fact, Jason Altmire, one of the Blue Dogs whom NBC cites as a potential flip, told the AP that he’s highly skeptical that there are enough votes to pass anything. The nightmare for The One is that any Democrat, left or center, who’s eager to find an excuse to not vote for this thing can find something in the compromise bill to latch onto as a “dealbreaker.” And that being so, given the current political climate, why would anyone think Pelosi’s likely to get more people flipping yes than flipping no?

As for the sudden burst of enthusiasm among Senate moderates for reconciliation, that’s an even bigger bluff than the recent revival of public option fee-vah. If you’re Blanche Lincoln or Ben Nelson or Mary Landrieu, why on earth would you commit to reconciliation until you knew for sure that Pelosi had the votes to sneak the Senate bill through the House? You’d be accepting a fantastic political risk — a toxic procedural bypass — with the prospect of absolutely no reward. Exit quotation from an unnamed House Democrat who voted for Pelosi’s bill: “This is a career-ending vote.”


Update: Very clever. A nice play by Boehner to turn the cameras tomorrow on dissension with the Democrats’ own ranks:

On February 8, House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) and I wrote a letter to your chief of staff, Mr. Emanuel, posing a number of questions about the proposed February 25 summit. Among the questions we asked was whether congressional Democrats who are opposed to the House or Senate versions of the health care bill would be invited to participate in the summit. As of this writing, Mr. Emanuel has not responded to our letter, and the Democratic leadership in the House has not indicated any plans to include such members in the delegations they are sending to Blair House.

I write today to respectfully ask that you invite Rep. Stupak to participate in the February 25 health care summit so that the will of the American people – and that of a bipartisan majority in the House – on the critical issue of life will be appropriately represented during the discussion.


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Then lets get it over with so they can be retired ASAP.

mechkiller_k on February 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Go ahead, end your career.

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Oh yeah, I’m pretty convinced they don’t have the votes.

That’s why I’ve been wondering why the GOP is honking about the summit.

This is absolutely, as Rove suggested, the time to push forth GOP solutions.

It would do a lot to undo the negative image that the GOP doesn’t want ANY type of reform. That’s not a selling idea, either.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Stupak says it may be more like “15 to 20.”

And that presupposes that the members’ names aren’t used in a generic whip count. If they have to actually vote, the numbers may be worse.

Vashta.Nerada on February 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM

I still don’t trust them. Kill this bill already.

citrus on February 24, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Bipartisanship works…..when it’s in opposition to insanity.

Mord on February 24, 2010 at 1:58 PM

U.S. Sen. Kent Conrad, the chairman of the Budget Committee, dealt a blow to the prospects for health care legislation just a day before a White House summit, arguing that the process would be “dead” if the House doesn’t act first to pass the Senate bill.

The statement is sure to enflame members of the House, who are reluctant to take a leap of faith and pass the Senate bill without knowing that it will be changed through reconciliation in the Senate.

Talking Points Memo’s Brian Beutler reports:

“The only way this works is for the House to pass the Senate bill and then, depending on what the package is, the reconciliation provision that moves first through the House and then comes here,” said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) outside the upper chamber this morning. “That’s the only way that works.”

I pointed out that House leadership, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, has repeatedly insisted they won’t take a flier on a reconciliation package–that they will only pass the Senate bill after the smaller side-car reconciliation bill has been all wrapped up.

“Fine, then it’s dead,” Conrad said.

Conrad added that he wouldn’t personally make any promises or symbolic gestures to House members to assure them that the Senate can or will take any action in a reconciliation bill to address House concerns.

“I don’t sign any blank check,” Conrad said.

As I detailed yesterday, health care already faces a tough road in the House, even assuming that some changes can be made by the Senate. Statements such as this one from Conrad (who as chairman of the Budget Committee would play a key role in any reconciliation strategy) will only fuel more animosity between House and Senate Democrats, and create a dilemma in which neither side wants to act first.

Phil Klein, Amspec blog. Heh.

Wethal on February 24, 2010 at 1:58 PM

All the ‘rats need to do is let us read the bill so we can see if it really does contain all the chocolate rainbow goodness they claim. Why such intransigence to let Americans see the details if ObamaCare is the greatest thing since sliced bread?

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Then Let’s watch the Careers come to an End!

By-By Hope and Change

Hello America!

SayNo2-O on February 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Conrad added that he wouldn’t personally make any promises or symbolic gestures to House members to assure them that the Senate can or will take any action in a reconciliation bill to address House concerns.

As I recall, Pelosi wanted 51 senators to sign a statement saying they’d vote for reconciliation. She wanted this as insurance before she put the Senate healthcare bill before the House for a vote.

Wethal on February 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM

America hated Medicare too when it was voted into law. Now we love it and bask in the awesomely awesome success it has become! Keep pushing Dems, America will yield to your rule.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Pelosi’s 15 votes short of passing ObamaCare

That’s a whole lot-a Louisiana Purchases there Nancy!

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM

As for the sudden burst of enthusiasm among Senate moderates for reconciliation, that’s an even bigger bluff than the recent revival of public option fee-vah. If you’re Blanche Lincoln or Ben Nelson or Mary Landrieu, why on earth would you commit to reconciliation until you knew for sure that Pelosi had the votes to sneak the Senate bill through the House? You’d be accepting a fantastic political risk — a toxic procedural bypass — with the prospect of absolutely no reward.

I’ve been wandering about that. Granted, it would be poetic justice considering how many bills the House has passed with nothing to show for it in the Senate. But why would vulnerable Senators walk the plank in an election year if they didn’t have assurances that the House was gonna fulfill their end of the bargain?

Doughboy on February 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Stupak ’12!

Also: “6. Ellsworth, Brad (IN)”
Hmmmmm… I wonder why…

Abby Adams on February 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM

I hope we see no end of this bill until November. It’s like watching cats with catnip. They just will not stop.

Mord on February 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM

There’s $500 billion of unspent money laying around from Stimulus I. Surely that’s more than enough to buy off 15 representatives in the House. What do you think that money was for, stimulating the economy? LOL.

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Here’s hoping they flush another 8 months down the crapper on this boat anchor. Then attempts to slit our throats with bills like this will be a distant memory.

Chuck Schick on February 24, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Why Nancy, I do believe your charms are fading.

katy the mean old lady on February 24, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Why such intransigence to let Americans see the details if ObamaCare is the greatest thing since sliced bread?

Bishop on February 24, 2010 at 1:59 PM

I heard Obama is going to have a blank screen at tomorrow’s meeting. Each attendee will be given a micro-projector that they can use to project on the screen their own views of Obama’s plan.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Why Nancy, I do believe your charms are fading.

katy the mean old lady on February 24, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Nancy’s favorite reply: “Are you serious?”

Rovin on February 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM

This is Obama’s hail-mary in the last 15 seconds of the game. Possible but unlikely. Once this crashes and burns, he’s got nothing.

AUINSC on February 24, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Bammy will be still be trying to pass this Bill when he and Mammy are standing on the curb on January 20, 2013 and the movers are loading the Mayflower Van.

NoDonkey on February 24, 2010 at 2:09 PM

I noticed on thing…

Obama’s bill doesn’t include the public option…
Obama’s bill does include abortion funding…

Is it possible that this was purposely done so that they can “pivot” at the meeting?

ninjapirate on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

1. Cao, Anh (LA)
2. Costello, Jerry (IL)
3. Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA)
4. Donnelly, Joe (IN)
5. Driehaus, Steve (OH)
6. Ellsworth, Brad (IN)
7. Kaptur, Marcy (OH)
8. Kildee, Dale (MI)
9. Lipinski, Dan (IL)
10. Oberstar, Jim (MN)
11. Stupak, Bart (MI)
12. Wilson, Charlie (OH)

Ten percent of these people are gay.

Akzed on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

“This is a career-ending vote.” NO SH*T! Do it! Own it!

JAM on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Ten percent of these people are gay.

Akzed on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

?

lorien1973 on February 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM

NBC has been running as many sad insurance stories as they can. I just saw Andrea Mitchell interviewing Feinstein about how the insurance companies are immoral. Mitchell wondered if all this publicity would create momentum for the POTUS’s plan.

d1carter on February 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Ten percent of these people are gay.

Akzed on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

*Gayest thread of the day.

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM

There’s $500 billion of unspent money laying around from Stimulus I. Surely that’s more than enough to buy off 15 representatives in the House. What do you think that money was for, stimulating the economy? LOL.

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 2:03 PM

What’s a RINO cost these days?

*shiver*

Doorgunner on February 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Pelosi is 15 votes short of passing ObamaCare and about 51 cards short of a full deck ….

DaydreamBeliever on February 24, 2010 at 2:15 PM

The part that simply isn’t going to fly is what I thought: It’s the mandate without a public option.

Voters are going to be absolutely livid being pushed into private plans that are awful, and they will be awful.

It’s a complete fiasco.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:15 PM

America hated Medicare too when it was voted into law. Now we love it and bask in the awesomely awesome success it has become! Keep pushing Dems, America will yield to your rule.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Someone has been smoking the funny stuff again, I see.

Gee, hope it’s medicinal.

pilamaye on February 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Ten percent of these people are gay.

Akzed on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

LOL. You’re killing me!

neurosculptor on February 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM

BTW, did anyone read Bloomberg’s piece on this today?

It was excellent.

I found it on RCP, and it sure expressed my own thinking, so it was brilliant. *haha

The issue is that healthcare is covering too much.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM

?

lorien1973 on February 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Some commenters are poking fun at the fact that there have been a lot of gay-related posts lately. They’re playing a degrees-of-separation game.

I think.

DaydreamBeliever on February 24, 2010 at 2:17 PM

What’s a RINO cost these days?

*shiver*

Doorgunner on February 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM

They can be bought with a wink and an empty promise.

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 2:18 PM

America hated Medicare too when it was voted into law. Now we love it and bask in the awesomely awesome success it has become! Keep pushing Dems, America will yield to your rule.

That’s an argument posited by the Left that isn’t valid. The fact is that retirement plans were looped into Medicare.

People have no choice. It’s now institutionalized, yes. That’s a bit different from “loving it.”

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:18 PM

are they going to become martyrs for this boondoggle?

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Vote on this bill and get it over with and then suffer the consequences in November!!!

yoda on February 24, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Is Robert Byrd on board with using reconciliation? If not, I don’t think they are going to get 51 Dems to vote for it.

rbj on February 24, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I won’t be happy until this bill is literally shredded and sold as cage liner for hamsters/birds.

gophergirl on February 24, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Isn’t Jack Murtha missing from that list? I’m pretty sure he won’t be voting for it this time around…

KeepOhioRed on February 24, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Is Robert Byrd on board with using reconciliation? If not, I don’t think they are going to get 51 Dems to vote for it.

rbj on February 24, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Man, is he still coherent enough to understand reconciliation???

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Someone has been smoking the funny stuff again, I see.

pilamaye on February 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM

You will submit to ObamaCare and love it.

FYI: Use this the coupon code BV354 to save 10% at IGrow.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Tomorrow’s headline: 20 democrat Congressmen missing. State governors immediately install democrat humpbots for important health care vote.

darwin on February 24, 2010 at 2:23 PM

are they going to become martyrs for this boondoggle?

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 2:19 PM

No. She doesn’t have the votes, nevermind Reid.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM

1. Cao, Anh (LA)
2. Costello, Jerry (IL)
3. Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA)
4. Donnelly, Joe (IN)
5. Driehaus, Steve (OH)
6. Ellsworth, Brad (IN)
7. Kaptur, Marcy (OH)
8. Kildee, Dale (MI)
9. Lipinski, Dan (IL)
10. Oberstar, Jim (MN)
11. Stupak, Bart (MI)
12. Wilson, Charlie (OH)

Ten percent of these people are gay.

Akzed on February 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM

1.2 people are gay? Does one of them have one gay partner and four straight partners? Fuzzy math, methinks!

Steve Z on February 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM

OBAMAONLYCARESFOROBAMA

profitsbeard on February 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM

That’s an argument posited by the Left that isn’t valid. The fact is that retirement plans were looped into Medicare.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:18 PM

I was jsut trying to beat some troll to this argument. I think crr6 use this one two months ago.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Vote on this bill and get it over with and then suffer the consequences in November!!!

yoda on February 24, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I agree. The one thing some of the polls have shown surprises me. Voters want them to start over?

Hello, I’d rather commit hari-kari than go through this again.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:25 PM

“This is a career-ending vote.”

I hear the Obowma re-election campaign is hiring…

Seven Percent Solution on February 24, 2010 at 2:26 PM

are they going to become martyrs for this boondoggle?

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 2:19 PM
No. She doesn’t have the votes, nevermind Reid.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I guess they already have with the incessant pushing amidst all of the “Hell No’s” over the last 8 mos…. Simply avoiding a vote on it now is probably too late to save their skins later this year…

ted c on February 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM

was jsut trying to beat some troll to this argument. I think crr6 use this one two months ago.

WashJeff on February 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Got it. I just think that so many retirees don’t have a choice.

It’s amazing that it’s really worked OK. I think the biggest threat is now. If it’s nothing more than medicaid due to cost controls?

That’s gypping an entire generation out of rightfully earned benefits.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Man, is he still coherent enough to understand reconciliation???

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 2:23 PM

That’s the other thing. Are they just going to wheel him in and tell him how to vote?

rbj on February 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Bipartisanship works…..when it’s in opposition to insanity.

Mord on February 24, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Yep. :)

Diane on February 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Okay, before AnninCA hijacks the thread, can someone please tell me in “clean” terms what a humpbot is?

DaydreamBeliever on February 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM

51 Republican votes = Nuclear Option (picture bombs exploding, people dying)

51 Democrat votes = Reconciliation (picture puppies and hugs)

Thanks MSM

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Only 15-20 votes short? That’s disgusting.

As I recall, Pelosi wanted 51 senators to sign a statement saying they’d vote for reconciliation. She wanted this as insurance before she put the Senate healthcare bill before the House for a vote.

Wethal on February 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM

If they want to really try reconciliation, the bill must start in the House. The Senate cannot initiate revenue bills.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM

1. Cao, Anh (LA)
2. Costello, Jerry (IL)
3. Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA)
4. Donnelly, Joe (IN)
5. Driehaus, Steve (OH)
6. Ellsworth, Brad (IN)
7. Kaptur, Marcy (OH)
8. Kildee, Dale (MI)
9. Lipinski, Dan (IL)
10. Oberstar, Jim (MN)
11. Stupak, Bart (MI)
12. Wilson, Charlie (OH)

Nancy Pelosi also has this list and she’s figuring out how much she’ll have to spend to make it happen. Just watch, there will be pictures of her on C-Span dragging bags full of money around the House chamber nailing down these votes.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Tallee Ho to Waterloo !!!

BowHuntingTexas on February 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Go for it. Commit political suicide. Let Nancy hand you the knife!

GarandFan on February 24, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Okay, before AnninCA hijacks the thread, can someone please tell me in “clean” terms what a humpbot is?

DaydreamBeliever on February 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM

It’s a video of a robot humping something/anything.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Hello, I’d rather commit hari-kari than go through this again.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:25 PM

The Democrats will be committing hari-kari and have the knife pointed in front of their stomachs and the voters will provide the thrust in November.

Maybe we should rename hari-kari, Bari-kari????

yoda on February 24, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I’m just chatty. I’m the type that starts talking the minute I get out of bed. I’ll follow you into the bathroom. *haha

I’d give up trying to change me. I got Cs in deportment from elementary school on for talking too much.

:)

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Nancy Pelosi hasn’t pulled out the big gun yet……

Any Dem Congressman voting against the Senate bill will get THREE visits by Obama to campaign on their behalf during the 2010 elections and one of those man-hug photo-ops which will be posted in the public domain for all (including opponents) to use.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 2:38 PM

I’m just chatty. I’m the type that starts talking the minute I get out of bed. I’ll follow you into the bathroom. *haha

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:35 PM

The problem is your tongue wakes up way before your brain does. I think it’s called Chris Matthews Syndrome.

:-)

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 2:40 PM

If they want to really try reconciliation, the bill must start in the House. The Senate cannot initiate revenue bills.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Did Harry get around this by using a shell bill? He took the House version of Obamacare, amended it to delete the content, and then amended to add in the Senate version? Technically, it is numbered as a bill that came over from the House?

Wethal on February 24, 2010 at 2:40 PM

The Democrats will be committing hari-kari and have the knife pointed in front of their stomachs and the voters will provide the thrust in November.

Maybe we should rename hari-kari, Bari-kari????

yoda on February 24, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I prefer the Jonestown analogy. Hari-kari implies they are taking one for the Dems as part of a greater good (it’s the spin being thrown around by the Dem strategists). The reality is that, like Jim Jones, Obama’s world is coming to an end and he has decided that if he’s going down he will take as many of his followers as he can. You can be sure that tommorrow’s “Sham-wow Healthcare Summit” will have Kool-aid right next to the coffee.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 2:44 PM

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM

The GOP plan Has been on the internet since last year. My Representative brought it to his town halls last year.

Where have you been?

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:46 PM

10. Oberstar, Jim (MN)

This is a joke, right? Yes, he is a joke. But, on the list to vote against 0bama? Mr. Jim “Lockstep” Oberstar?!?!? Some people around here refer to him as shooting star.

Mirimichi on February 24, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I write today to respectfully ask that you invite Rep. Stupak to participate in the February 25 health care summit so that the will of the American people – and that of a bipartisan majority in the House – on the critical issue of life will be appropriately represented during the discussion.

Ahhhhhhhhh, DE–Licious…

OmahaConservative on February 24, 2010 at 2:48 PM

O/T: If anyone is listening to Rush, can you please tell me what he is doing repeating over and over as he goes to break, etc., that the Republicans are as bad as the Dems? Is it related to Beck?

silvernana on February 24, 2010 at 2:49 PM

The issue is that healthcare is covering too much.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Don’t you mean insurance is covering too much?

Insurance and healthcare are two completely different issues.

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Stupak ‘12!

Also: “6. Ellsworth, Brad (IN)”
Hmmmmm… I wonder why…

Abby Adams on February 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM

No $h!t! If Bayh had voted no weeks ago, we wouldn’t be sitting her wondering about this today. Furthermore, he would not be planning his retirement. He would be planning his victory party in November.

Oink on February 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Hello, I’d rather commit hari-kari than go through this again.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:25 PM

…nope, I won’t go there…

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM

I agree, AP. Let them cannibalize themselves and show just how inclusive they are.

kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Isn’t Jack Murtha missing from that list? I’m pretty sure he won’t be voting for it this time around…

KeepOhioRed on February 24, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Oh no. He’ll be voting absentee.

Oink on February 24, 2010 at 2:53 PM

The problem is your tongue wakes up way before your brain does. I think it’s called Chris Matthews Syndrome.

:-)

fogw on February 24, 2010 at 2:40 PM

LOL*

That sort of goes with the territory.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM

kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM

But, but, but…transparency…bipartisin…big tenant…honest and open debate…

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:55 PM

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:46 PM

It has even been linked by the White House.

d1carter on February 24, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Don’t you mean insurance is covering too much?

Insurance and healthcare are two completely different issues.

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Yes, exactly.

I was always for public option, but I never imagined they’d not limit it.

Anyway, check out the piece on Bloomberg.

It’s good.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:55 PM

But, but, but…transparency…bipartisin…big tenant…honest and open debate…
ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Chicago Style.

kingsjester on February 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Wethal on February 24, 2010 at 2:40 PM

The problem with this whole scheme (and why the public will be outraged) is that the scheme is essentially that the House passes the Senate Bill as it is and then the Senate gets busy putting in all the stuff necessary to “fix” the Senate bill like the Doc fix and some public option fill-in. At no time would there be a real deliberative process and Americans know unfair and dishonest legislating when they see it.

highhopes on February 24, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Color me surprised at Boehner. Good move, sir. Good move.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2010 at 3:02 PM

15 votes below the 217-vote threshold they need to pass the bill…

Am I missing something? Isn’t the threshold 218 votes? Half of 435 is 217.5, so you need 218 for a majority.

KeepOhioRed on February 24, 2010 at 3:04 PM

NBC is full of idiots. There are plenty of Blue Dogs who voted no last time because of the public option and who will vote no again because of the abortion issue (among others). Is there a Democratic congressman in the South who would be OK voting for a bill that would fund abortions with taxpayer money? I doubt it.

NoLeftTurn on February 24, 2010 at 3:07 PM

All this talk is pretty academic. Nancy will not have the votes to pass anything in the house (not that many of the dem reps want to commit political heri-keri). Unless the republicans screw up big time tomorrow this should be the last gasp for health care this go round. Next we can switch to “cap and trade”. Hopefully it will take until late summer to shoot it down and then we are almost at the mid terms when we will have enough votes to block any further stupidity.

duff65 on February 24, 2010 at 3:08 PM

If the Dem’s won’t invite him maybe Mr. Boehner should.

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PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS…

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES… AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING.

DC weather forecast for tomorrow. I hope someone makes Algore and global warming jokes.

Wethal on February 24, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Am I missing something? Isn’t the threshold 218 votes? Half of 435 is 217.5, so you need 218 for a majority.

KeepOhioRed on February 24, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Murtha died and there is another open seat too I believe. Thus 217 rather than 218.

GnuBreed on February 24, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Hello, I’d rather commit hari-kari than go through this again.

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:25 PM

It’s ‘hara-kiri’ Dumdum. You must be from California…

AsianGirlInTights on February 24, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Heh. Just have Stupak show up with the Republican delegation. “See, we want to work with Democrats.”

rbj on February 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM

AnninCA on February 24, 2010 at 2:55 PM

There was never going to be a limit to the public option. It was only a matter of time before everyone would be funneled into by driving the insurance companies out of business. You really don’t do a lot of thinking, do you?

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM

But that assumes that (a) no progressives will walk away from Obama because he didn’t include a public option, and (b) that the political risk to Blue Dogs in voting yes now is the same as, or even less than, the risk they faced when voting on Pelosi’s bill in November, which of course is insane.

(a) they’re Liberals, not progressives, and (b) they’re Liberals, not blue dogs.

uknowmorethanme on February 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM

(a) they’re Liberals, not progressives, and (b) they’re Liberals, not blue dogs.

uknowmorethanme on February 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I’ll be shocked if Shuler doesn’t vote for it this time; he’s such a Nancy’s “boy”…

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM

…nope, I won’t go there…

ladyingray on February 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Yor self control is admirable! OK, I’ll be good too.

katy the mean old lady on February 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM

….sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground

nice job Oblahblah…you screwed this up just as badly as Clinton did in 94..and that’s saying something.

DrW on February 24, 2010 at 3:25 PM

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