Begun, the Toyota War has…
posted at 5:52 pm on February 23, 2010 by Karl
It’s officially a full-court press:
Leading Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee said Monday that Toyota relied on a flawed study in dismissing the notion that computer issues could be at fault for sticking accelerator pedals, and then made misleading statements about the repairs.
The comments, from Henry A. Waxman, chairman of the committee, and Bart Stupak, a subcommittee chairman, were made in an 11-page letter to James E. Lentz III, the president of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. The letter was released Monday on the eve of the committee’s hearing on the Toyota recalls, one of three scheduled.
Verdict first, trial after — but it does not stop there. Toyota is now also under investigation by Securities and Exchange Commission and United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York.
However, as even the Detroit News concedes, uncontrolled acceleration claims have a chequered history:
Experts say the number of fatalities linked to reports of uncontrolled acceleration of Toyota vehicles — 15 when the first recall was announced, and now 34 — isn’t a big number for a company that sells close to 2 million cars and trucks a year in the United States.
Most independent auto experts and investigators say unintended acceleration is most often caused by driver error; the driver, in a moment of panic, or in an unfamiliar vehicle, may accidentally step on the wrong pedal.
Thirty years ago, Audi faced damaging complaints that its cars were prone to unintended acceleration — allegations that U.S. safety regulators now say were never proven.
Similar complaints in the late 1990s against Chrysler Corp.’s Jeep Grand Cherokee turned up no defect, said Vines, who was then working for Chrysler. The problem was either a floor mat trapping the gas pedal, or people stepping on the gas, he said.
But Toyota is increasingly facing allegations from plaintiffs’ attorneys that electronic interference with the systems in the vehicle may be causing the acceleration to go haywire.
They point to the automaker’s adoption, starting about 10 years ago, of electronic throttle control, in which the driver stepping on the gas is actually sending an electronic signal to the throttle.
Indeed, the biggest proponent of this unproven theory is Sean Kane, president of Massachusetts-based Safety Research & Strategies Inc., who will be testifying before the House on Wednesday:
Two weeks ago, his firm released a 51-page report that alleged at least 2,262 Toyota and Lexus owners have reported sudden acceleration that resulted in 815 crashes, 341 injuries and 19 deaths since 1999. About half of the complaints involved vehicles not included in any current Toyota recalls, according to the report.
Toyota said it is unable to confirm Mr. Kane’s numbers and has hired its own study firm.
Mr. Kane said his latest report wasn’t produced as a direct result of funding from a particular lawsuit against Toyota. Yet lawyers often pay him a consulting fee to review individual crashes, listen to depositions, advise lawyers on questions and strategies, and produce analyses of crash trends using National Highway Traffic Safety Administration data. He does not receive a bonus or a percentage of any settlement in such cases, he said.
In the report released last week, Mr. Kane thanked a group of lawyers who have pending cases against Toyota for sponsoring some of his research into unintended acceleration in Toyotas. Three of those lawyers—Terrence McCartney of New York; Donald Slavik of Milwaukee, Wis.; and R. Graham Esdale Jr. of Montgomery, Ala.—said Mr. Kane has helped on cases, including litigation against Toyota.
Kane got his start with the Naderite Center for Auto Safety. That group’s current executive director, Clarence Ditlow, is also scheduled to testify:
He popularized the story about “exploding” General Motors pickup trucks, which NBC subsequently had to retract. In 1993 Mr. Ditlow accused a GM lawyer of destroying evidence about the pickups; the lawyer sued for slander, and Mr. Ditlow’s insurance company (over his protests) settled for $500,000. During that case, a Detroit judge fined Mr. Ditlow for “gross misconduct” for sharing a sealed document with a plaintiffs’ lawyer suing GM. An appeals court overturned the fine, but determined that Mr. Ditlow’s outfit and the plaintiffs’ lawyer had “mutual back-scratching arrangements.” Even more explicitly, on March 8, 1994, a California judge overseeing a class action against Nissan held that Mr. Ditlow’s center had acted “in active concert with, and as agents of” two Texas trial lawyers (Mr. Ditlow’s lawyer claims the order is somehow invalid).
Another witness will be Joan Claybrook, of the Naderite Public Citizen, which — among other things — campaigns against “astroturf” lobbying, though it refuses to disclose how many millions from plaintiffs’ attorneys fund its operations.
With the deck this stacked, the New York Times chooses to focus entirely on “whether the deep financial and personal connections between lawmakers and the carmaker could taint the inquiries.” This ignores not only the ties between the Democrats and their trial attorney donors, but also the new conflict of interest arising from their takeover of General Motors. The issue was obvious to many, including Canada’s Financial Post:
The White House has denied any such motivation on the part of the United States. But that denial lacks credibility. While it may be technically true that President Obama’s team didn’t explicitly reach a decision to target Toyota, nobody in this crowd needs a presidential order to turn the Japanese auto giant’s Sudden Unintended Acceleration (SUA) problem into a national industrial advantage for the United States. The owners of union-dominated Government Motors can spot a strategic economic opportunity without waiting for the memo from head office.
California Congressman Henry Waxman swung into action, using recent anecdotal reports of sudden acceleration as a pretext for extended assaults on Toyota and its management. The UAW has joined the project as part of its campaign against Toyota’s closure of a unionized California plant.
By the way, that plant was a joint venture between Toyota and Government Motors, and is being closed because of the latter’s bankruptcy — but I digress.
The larger issue is the Obama administration’s crony capitalism, and the way it erodes trust in our government. The administration staffed up with the people who caused the financial crisis. It cut backroom deals to turn our health insurance into a public utility. And it bailed out Government Motors to aid its Big Labor muscle. Against this backdrop, when the feds start investigating the steering on Toyota Corollas and Matrixes, one wonders whether the same zeal will be given to the Chevrolet Cobalt, which has more than ten times as many NHTSA complaints.
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Gee, I can only ponder the Law of Unintended Consequences. One thing is certain: Trial lawyers are gonna get rich.
BigAlSouth on February 23, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Give the people someone to hate… other than you.
~Congressional Needlepoint Pattern No. 1.
profitsbeard on February 23, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Welcome to the beginnings of Fascism.
Fake8 on February 23, 2010 at 5:56 PM
So we continue on our downward spiral, all done to please democrat interest groups – trial lawyers, unions, government workers, people on the dole. Everyone else be damned, the latest being everyone in this country employed by Toyota, and auto consumers.
Luckily for democrats, many of those who are not beneficiaries of their type of government have been too stupid to realize how bad they’re getting screwed. Lots of idiot twenty somethings and affluent northeastern suburbanites. Are they any smarter today? We can only hope.
chris999 on February 23, 2010 at 5:56 PM
While the conflict of interest angle seems obvious, I think y’all may be overreaching when it comes to making this about trial lawyers. It’s much more plausible that the government’s stake in GM is leading to harsh tactics towards its largest competitor, rather than trying to throw a few court cases to a few trial lawyers.
ernesto on February 23, 2010 at 5:57 PM
I guess this whole issue would be much easier to take if the Federal Government was not a competieor to Toyota.
What are the real motives behind this which hunt. And who will be the bennificieries?
Maybe the fines incured could go to fund the United Auto Workers Health and Pension Funds?
SayNo2-O on February 23, 2010 at 6:00 PM
Blind we are, if creation of this lawyer army we could not see.
WashJeff on February 23, 2010 at 6:00 PM
And if Toyota was using steroids…LOOK OUT!!!!
elderberry on February 23, 2010 at 6:01 PM
1. Trial lawyers.
2. Government ownership.
I have an ’06 Avalon, one of the Toyota cars in the recall, and it’s a fantastic car. I’ll take it in for the fix whenever I get around to it, but I’m not the slightest bit worried.
Even if the most extreme figures are correct, this flaw is very rare. If it exists, it should be corrected, but it’s still very rare.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on February 23, 2010 at 6:01 PM
If you can’t beat ‘em, destroy ‘em with your new federal government power!
Eh, Toyota will come back eventually just like Audi did, oh 20 or 30 years later.
I still love my 4Runner.
NTWR on February 23, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Isn’t it kind of stupid to believe that the best selling, highest quality automobiles in the world would willingly ignore serious defects that would injure their customers and reputation? Someone in Japan is probably going to kill himself before all this over. And Congress is just projecting their own disregard of ethics and lack of workmanship onto Toyota.
Cindy Munford on February 23, 2010 at 6:04 PM
Get ready for letters from this Toyota owner mccollum, franken and klobuchar. I want to know why you are devalueing my new car while you are allowing government motors death machines all around me.
oakpack on February 23, 2010 at 6:05 PM
We had a very good January as conservatives.
February has been rough and tumble. Do you sense it?
The liberals are getting desperate.
uknowmorethanme on February 23, 2010 at 6:05 PM
there…….is…..a…..nothe…….r Honda
the second front.
redriver59 on February 23, 2010 at 6:07 PM
Won’t it be fun when the day arrives which mandates only union mechanics can work on cars.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:10 PM
This is good. Asian cars are crap.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Systematic destruction of Capitalism through manufactured crises, aka, the Cloward Piven Strategy.
NTWR on February 23, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Ernesto, you should read this:
http://tinyurl.com/yhgvetd
You will discover that lawyers have donated over 1.5 billion dollars to politicians in the last decade, overwhelmingly to democrats. Can you imagine how valuable class action lawsuits against Toyota will be to the trial bar? ca-ching.
chris999 on February 23, 2010 at 6:11 PM
That happened about a year ago+/-.
jukin on February 23, 2010 at 6:11 PM
Well,ELF should be thrilled,and its gonna keep the Liberals a bit busy,
however,I do think,Team Obama will attempt to murder off
Toyota,to save mother earth!!!!(sarc).
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Just get your Toyota on the cheap! I’ve owned Honda’s and Toyota’s for as long as I’ve owned a car. Great cars, the only issue I have with them, the gas pedal and break pedal are too close together. If you have wide feet, it is real easy to press both at the same time. This could easily be the issue.
c.u.shoeless on February 23, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Barack Bin Yoda says……
(Insert best Star Wars Yoda impersonation here)
….. “Mmmmm, Toyohhta is of the dahhrk side Luke do not mmmm, buy their Speeder you shall not.”
PappyD61 on February 23, 2010 at 6:13 PM
I have driven Toyota’s exclusively since 1986.
Was formerly a Chevy/GM guy.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Big business has always been the target of liberal democrats. How long before the government owns the entire automotive industry?
fourdeucer on February 23, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Nothin’ to it, right ??
/.
CaveatEmpty on February 23, 2010 at 6:14 PM
This is good. Asian cars are crap.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Asian cars built and sold in America are what has kept ‘American’ cars from becoming extinct 40 years ago. American cars can’t hold a candle to what Asian cars can do and are.
oakpack on February 23, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Gooood times. Goooooood times. Next time I’m clocked at 135 in Florida, I’m gonna say a Camry was chasing me. And I’m gonna have the Caddy taken to Armour II. It is dangerous out there.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM
It still won’t move me enough to buy an UAW made car.
jbh45 on February 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Now, if only the Liberal Party could be investigated
for there corruption!!
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM
You have to be an idiot.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Hey nutoboy, wouldn’t you call that racist?
jbh45 on February 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM
It’s a twofer. Let the trial lawyers bleed the Toyota treasury and the administration’s tactics depress sales. Of course, much of the trial lawyers’ loot will come back around in the form of campaign contributions. It’s the Circle of Life.:)
a capella on February 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM
FYI, the accelerator in my 2007 Corolla stuck on a couple of occasions, but it was clearly caught under the end of the floormat. Not exactly good times but nothing to do with the car’s electronics.
grahampowell on February 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM
This makes me exponentially less likely to ever buy a UAW thugmobile no matter how thugtastically thuggy it is.
happyfeet on February 23, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Ok. Whatever you say. I didn’t know that the Power Rangers posted here.
Toyota’s gonna do some Mighty Morphin’ — I know that — so good luck!
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM
I drive a dodge magnum. Hubby drives a toyota tacoma. Which one’s been in the shop 4 times, and which ones never been in the shop in 4 years?
This reeks of corruption. One woman claimed to have tried to put the car in reverse, when she said her gas pedal stuck and took her on a 100 mph ride for 6 miles. If you throw a car in reverse , the transmission bottoms out. No way did she do that, or a 6 mile drive would have been stopped way short. Paid witnesses perhaps?
If Dems only investigated their own meanderings, and corruptions the same way…eh?
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 6:21 PM
Ever worked on a 2nd gen Honda Civic, after they upgraded to 3 valves per cylinder? Piece o’ cake. That little motor made 55 hp from 1300cc; you could shoot it with a bazooka and it would still run. I drove mine until one day it finally died with over 500,000 miles on the original engine. I kept the steering wheel as memorabilia.
Crap they aren’t, some are (Kia comes to mind) but most are rock solid.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:22 PM
From ambulance chasers to Toyota chasers.
fourdeucer on February 23, 2010 at 6:22 PM
These aren’t the conflicts of interest you’re looking for.
James on February 23, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Let’s see. We’ve got trial lawyers ready to gobble up more wealth and further limit consumer choices. Union workers with gold plated benefits paid for by taxpayers, jobs protected.
And everyone is okay with that, or else clueless. What a country!
chris999 on February 23, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Maybe he’s just had lousy experiences with Asian-made cars.
I have friends who refuse to buy anything that isn’t “solid American”, although their definitions of same are somewhat laughable, and some who wouldn’t buy an American-made vehicle if the dealer paid them.
Dark-Star on February 23, 2010 at 6:24 PM
After they finish off Toyota, then who do they go after? Honda? Ford? Mitsubishi? Hyundai? Subaru? God only knows, but it won’t end with Toyota.
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM
I guess Congress won’t be satisfied until all the car dealerships have gone under. We have zero left here…all bankrupt.
repvoter on February 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM
My my, one of the huge advantages of government owned car companies, or for that matter health care companies.
Beware what you ask …
tarpon on February 23, 2010 at 6:27 PM
I would still rather buy a Toyota than a Government Motors vehicle. I never thought I would say that.
tommer74 on February 23, 2010 at 6:27 PM
First thing I do when I get a new car is toss the damned floormats in the trunk, where they belong.
That happened to my with my ’87 Camry.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM
American cars can’t hold a candle to what Asian cars can do and are.
oakpack on February 23, 2010 at 6:14 PM
oakpack: Well,I wouldn`t want to try and shoe-horn a
Chevy Big Block rat into one!!
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM
We have a whole generation who get as emotional about their Toyotas as their dumb forebears got over Oldsmobiles. Wanna argue about blenders? You got Sears versus Waring!
And as for being racist…you could get a job with MSNBC with your mind. Research the Firesone tire problem. This killing people is nothing new. Ford was burned once too.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM
UAW revenge through Bowbama admin. Oh yeah!
faol on February 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Reid has declared that he will next go after DAT Motor Company and get those dangerous Datsuns off the roads.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM
No, no, no. NOT Subaru. That is the tree-huggers car of choice.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM
It is all fun and games until Toyota starts closing their American factories.
Howcome on February 23, 2010 at 6:30 PM
They come with a complimentary Obama bumper sticker.
tommer74 on February 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM
LOL Oh my….I’m sorry! I’m not that car savvy, and didn’t realize. Ok Feds. Git after Subaru. Close em down, and leave Toyota alone! :D
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Gawd,I remember the clunker demise,I do hope,that
Toyota won`t have an Automoble Holocaust at the hands
of the Leftys!!(snark).
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM
And we got the trade deficit and the fact that I am keeping people without 200 IQs in jobs making my Caddies. And US cars have been excellent lately. But I bought them even when they stunk. I am a patriot.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM
I agree….Toyota is a direct competitor with UAW/Government motors. The lawyers are just doing what they do…exploiting the situation for personal gain.
Ford better gird their loins.
BigWyo on February 23, 2010 at 6:32 PM
ROFLMAO!!!
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 6:32 PM
If someone can build my dream bike, they can certainly figure out a way to mount a big block in a Japanese car. Behold the power of inventive thinking and a will to do the impossible.
http://www.bishopsales.com/monstermiata/
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/08/25/allen-millyard-builds-a-viper-v10-motorcycle/
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM
I have my new bumper sticker, for my 79 Chevy truck.
TOYOTA
GUILTY OF COMPETING
WITH GOVERNMENT MOTORS
Slowburn on February 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM
No, no, no. NOT Subaru. That is the tree-huggers car of choice.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM
OmahaConservative: Speaking of Environmental Wackos!!:)
================================================
At This Moment, I’m Embarrassed Not To Be Tree
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=17891
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:35 PM
That’s what worries me as well. Are we trying to alienate our allies now? What is the end result to all of this? Close ourselves off to the rest of the world? What?This crap while I hate to admit it, is scaring the living he!! out of me.
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 6:37 PM
http://www.bishopsales.com/monstermiata/
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/08/25/allen-millyard-builds-a-viper-v10-motorcycle/
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Bishop: A 1980 Tercel sounds like a challenge!!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:38 PM
How about you leftys moaning about the US working man then drivin’ asian or eurotrash? I know that US blacks helped make my junk and I am glad to help them and their families. Heck, at least they have jobs and some pride. And a product that is not totally pie in the sky like the green dreams of this administration.
The MSNBC crew loves little import cars, I’ll bet.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Should I get some popcorn ready for when (nnot if) the govt totally fumbling this abuse of power.
Yakko77 on February 23, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Lord, have mercy! LOL! What whack/freak/nut jobs. I’ve never heard such unearthly screams, over trees????
She don’t wanna’ come between me and my chainsaw.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:40 PM
Or, remember them little Toyota Starlets?
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:42 PM
Only imports worth spit are Italian. And if you’re dumping your Camry, some Ferrari and Lamborghini dealers have great deals on financing and only $1,587 for routine service if you are presently an owner. I recently got a nice letter on that.
IlikedAUH2O on February 23, 2010 at 6:42 PM
http://www.bishopsales.com/monstermiata/
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Bishop: Is that your business?
I had a 64 Acadian,basically a Chevy 2,with an L-78 396,
L-88 solid lifter cam,turbo 400,11 inch convertor,66 chevy
2 rearend,4.10 12 bolt,at 3140 lbs!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:44 PM
Ditlow? CLAYBROOK? Hadn’t we gotten rid of those crapweasels a while back?
Tell them to go back to campaigning for the 55mph speed limit so we can run them over.
JEM on February 23, 2010 at 6:45 PM
She don’t wanna’ come between me and my chainsaw.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:40 PM
OmahaConservative: Surreal eh!!
I think they must of been smacked up
on something!!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Or, remember them little Toyota Starlets?
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 6:42 PM
OmahaConservative: I have only seen a few!!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM
George Russell Weller’s Buick had an “uncontrolled acceleration”, too. I wonder if anyone has checked to see if other Buicks have had this problem…
Congressman Waxman, are you here?
(Sorry, but you’ll have to search: “Santa Monica Farmers Market crash”. I have tried 3 times to post a link, but no comment of mine containing a link will post…)
Spiny Norman on February 23, 2010 at 6:49 PM
That’s what worries me as well. Are we trying to alienate our allies now? What is the end result to all of this? Close ourselves off to the rest of the world? What?This crap while I hate to admit it, is scaring the living he!! out of me.
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 6:37 PM
capejasmine: You may be right,don`t let a good CRISIS go
to waste!!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:49 PM
375 solid horses, or thereabouts as I recall. I noticed you said “had” as in no longer have. You know, in some countries you can be executed for selling a car with such an engine.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM
375 solid horses, or thereabouts as I recall. I noticed you said “had” as in no longer have. You know, in some countries you can be executed for selling a car with such an engine.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Bishop:Yup,425HP in the 66 Vette I think,and ya,I wouldn`t
be surprised on the execution thingy!!haha:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Hey canopfor, did the base engine in that car of yours have a low-rise manifold? I don’t see those old 396′ers much anymore but they can be distinctive with those big heads and…uh…800mm Holly carbs? (I can’t recall the standard carb, were they Hollys?)
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Man, what I wouldn’t give for some auto maker to start producing big blocks for public sale again.
The good ol’ days.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM
I bought my 2009 Corolla less than a year ago. In the first month of owning it I had to replace the transmission not once but twice and a wheel berring. Thank God for a warranty. I have to say that during that time they provided me with a rental car and the manager of the service dept called almost every day with an update. Now I get to worry about my accelerater sticking and the steering to go out. Just wondering, should I drive it back to the dealership and demand my money back? I still have not received my recall notice.
milwife88 on February 23, 2010 at 6:58 PM
I think the time has come to purchase the Matrix I have had my eye on.
This is nothing more that a take-down of the major competitor to government-run entities. The next target will be Honda.
The White House and their minions are trying to ensure that we have NO choice left but Chrysler and GM. Do they think we won’t notice.
Mutnodjmet on February 23, 2010 at 7:01 PM
I think we just became an “import only” family.
Mojave Mark on February 23, 2010 at 7:01 PM
I think before you get the Matrix you should at least look at a Mazda3 just cause it’s a better-looking car I think.
happyfeet on February 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM
Santa Monica Farmers Market crash
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2010 at 7:09 PM
I would not blame Toyota if they remove all their factories out of the US and let all those fat cat unions suffer. Why do business in the US? This country no longer makes anything. I wonder why?
immigrantchick on February 23, 2010 at 7:10 PM
Why is congress involved in this???
What the hell can they do? Make more laws to further wreck this county? Haven’t they ruined it enough already??
I despise each and every one of these self-serving, grand-standing career politicians who are looking only for quick sound-bites and headlines to shore up their in-the-toilet poll numbers.
Let the market and the courts sort out the mess. This has nothing to do with congress – nor should it.
Rod on February 23, 2010 at 7:16 PM
You guys are taking my down memory lane. ’66 supersport 396. Car was WAY faster than it had any right to go with those brakes and that suspension. But what a kick. Single best thing was the sound of that big Rochester when it opened all 4…
JusDreamin on February 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM
If the computer in the car can be accessed and manipulated by satellite, then I’d look into the possibility that someone, perhaps a competitor, got their hands on the codes for Toyota owners and is purposely causing accidents to ruin Toyota’s reputation.
Buddahpundit on February 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM
But what a kick. Single best thing was the sound of that big Rochester when it opened all 4…
JusDreamin on February 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM
JusDreamin:Pure music!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 7:23 PM
1966 would have been the Mark IV motor(?) with…again I’m hazy here…300 hp? Rare as dodo birds these days, I never see them and I work on some old cars now and then.
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM
Hey canopfor,
did the base engine in that car of yours have a low-rise manifold? I don’t see those old 396′ers much anymore but they can be distinctive with those big heads and…uh…800mm Holly carbs? (I can’t recall the standard carb, were they Hollys?)
Bishop on February 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Bishop: No,the regular factory aluminum with a 650 cfm
double-pumper,and 50cc kit on the secondary pumper!
I do believe the low rise intake,the factory one,
was used on 454 LS-6`s in corvettes due to the hood
clearance!:)
Oh,it was square port,2.19 Int,and 1:88 exh.heads!:)
canopfor on February 23, 2010 at 7:29 PM
My sequence of manufacturers in which I will purchase my mode of transportation
Toyota/Lexus
Honda/ Acura
Nissan
Benz
Saab
Audi
Volvo
BMW
Infiniti
Mazda
Subaru
Volkswagon
Harley Davidson
Suzuki
Yamaha
Kawasaki
Schwinn
Ross
Huffy
Skateboards
New Balance
Adidas
Puma
Florsheim
Kinney
Crocks
Sandles
Ford
Chrysler
Chevy
veni vidi vici on February 23, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Resident Obama is going to provide trains for us.
No more worries about icky cars. He even stopped the space program. Too hi tech for lefties.
seven on February 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Again, I bought a Toyota Camry last year. It’s been awesome.
My Chevy was okay. It has starting problems that the people at Chevy claimed were caused by my va-jay-jay. After being accused of that multiple times, I got rid of my Chevy and will NEVER go back to a GM product again.
I like your list. It took me a couple of moments to realize what a good deal of your list was…..
mjk on February 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM
this is all about the unions. they want to destroy non-union Toyota. and if they can….
what will you call America that is run by union?
kelley in virginia on February 23, 2010 at 7:36 PM
Well isn’t this interesting….
A second DOT official also e-mailed State Farm writing to advise that, if questioned by the press, “it would be great if you could echo the fact that we were being responsive to complaints of safety problems.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33321.html
capejasmine on February 23, 2010 at 7:48 PM
The other day a girl I know asked me to check out her Honda Civic, as it was accelerating poorly. I checked the fluids and tires, and hopped in and put it through its paces. Couldn’t find a thing wrong, until I got back and got out. I looked down at the floorboard, and the floormat was half covering the accelerator. With her dainty touch on the gas, it felt ‘sluggish’ to her.
Rather than her response of ‘Doh!’ when informed of the trouble, I guess it should have been ‘sue!’
GnuBreed on February 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Congress pointing fingers at Toyota?
There is no evidence suggesting any members of Congress have a conflict of interest be it real or perceived by doing this. /s
CTS Corporation of Indiana is the supplier of the accelerator pedal in question. No questions for them?
rukiddingme on February 23, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Had a customer in for their 90L (pedal entrapment) recall couple of days ago, said customer had,
1- Factory Carpet mat
2- Toyota All Weather mat (the ones that allegedly cause the problem)
3- An aftermarket (Pep Boys etc) rubber mat
4- AND a chunk of old carpet
And people wonder WHY there is a pedal entrapment issue. As per the recall ALL the mats except the original carpeted one were placed in the trunk, cust comes back in 5 min later asking “where all of my mats went”, the advisor reiterated that they were placed in the trunk. Cust leaves and comes back in again, 5 minutes later saying “you guys screwed up my car, now the gas pedal doesnt work at all”. In a blaze of 0bama induced panic the vehicle was immediately brought back in to check it, only to find that the customer had placed all 34 pounds of additional rubber and carpet back in the vehicle himself, except that the mass was laying on top of the brake and accel pedals causing the brake to be applied when he stepped on the gas (lucky for him). And now you understand the true (IMO) crux of this issue, it not so much the product as it is the end user. A true witch hunt, you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning (for real) than having an uncontrolled acceleration incident.
NY Conservative on February 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM
Skynet has become fully ‘aware’ and online?
Phil-351 on February 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM
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