McCain: I was misled into supporting TARP

posted at 3:32 pm on February 22, 2010 by Allahpundit

See what I mean about why it’s usually smarter to defend a bad political decision than to try to pass the buck? Crist comes off as a guy who does what he thinks is right even if it’s unpopular. Maverick — who, ironically, is famous for being that same type of pol, especially vis-a-vis foreign policy — comes off as a panderer or easily suckered or both. J.D. Hayworth must be rubbing his hands with glee.

I don’t know what Palin has planned for when she’s stumping for him, but that speech had better be a barnburner.

In response to criticism from opponents seeking to defeat him in the Aug. 24 Republican primary, the four-term senator says he was misled by then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. McCain said the pair assured him that the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program would focus on what was seen as the cause of the financial crisis, the housing meltdown.

“Obviously, that didn’t happen,” McCain said in a meeting Thursday with The Republic’s Editorial Board, recounting his decision-making during the critical initial days of the fiscal crisis. “They decided to stabilize the Wall Street institutions, bail out (insurance giant) AIG, bail out Chrysler, bail out General Motors. . . . What they figured was that if they stabilized Wall Street – I guess it was trickle-down economics – that therefore Main Street would be fine.”…

But McCain stopped short of calling the TARP a mistake.

“Something had to be done because the world’s financial system was on the verge of collapse,” he said. “Any economist, liberal or conservative, would agree with that. The action they took, I don’t agree with.”

This pitch is right in her wheelhouse, so the boss emeritus swings away. Question from Michelle to McCain: Who’s “they”?

[T]o this day, McCain refuses to admit his own individual responsibility for supporting the pre-socialization of the economy started under George W. Bush and continued under Obama. And fellow Republicans continue to whitewash McCain’s fiscal irresponsibility record.

McCain has never admitted he was wrong about his support of:

*The $700 billion all-purpose, earmark-stuffed TARP bailout;

*The $25 billion auto bailout;

*The $300 billion mortgage entitlement bailout; and

*The first $85 billion AIG bailout.

Exit question: When push comes to shove, given his record, even Sarahcuda’s not going to be able to do much to sell him to grassroots conservatives, is she?

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If I were Governor Palin, I would

1. walk up on stage at a McCain rally
2. look at JMac
3. shake my head
4. yell, “F*ckin’ hell, John”
5. walk off

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM

What is with the pansies feeling sorry for the RINOs today? You have ninjapirate saying to layoff of Crist and now this.

If you dolts want dolts like Crist and McCain, join the Democrat party.

MobileVideoEngineer on February 22, 2010 at 4:17 PM

RINO is a term that’s too easily thrown out there, and often misused. A true RINO is someone like Mayor Bloomberg, or Arlen Specter. Not John McCain or Charlie Crist.

JetBoy on February 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM

OmahaConservative on February 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM

I give Palin a pass. She is between a rock and a hard place. If she refuses to campaign for McCain, the media will say…why was he Ok to be President but not Senator? She also recognizes that McCain made Palin a recognized household name. Palin is also a Republican.
If Palin wants to run in 2012, or keep up the pretense of running for 2012, she is obligated to campaign for McCain.

Conservative Voice on February 22, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Was gonna say something, but I can’t deal anymore with the McCain-derangement. The man’s a true American, and a hero to boot. TARP wasn’t his idea.

*shakes head*

JetBoy on February 22, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Jet, McCain made a bad decision by supporting TARP, which is why he’s now depending upon a woman who has been blamed for driving away the ever reliable independents. McCain is here, because of McCain. Just like McCain lost the general because of McCain.

Weight of Glory on February 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Sure you were John .Just like in the campaign you would not say anything negative about Obama or let anyone on your staff say anything.Then you would tell people at your rallies not to worry about Obama we had nothing to fear from him.Now you tell people that you did not know how bad Obama would be and you were misled about the tarp money.Then you have the nerve to try to destroy a good conservative like JD Hayworth not about ideas but petty stuff.Were was this anger and a desire to go after Obama in 2008? John i thank you for your military service but on all else you just plain stink.If you can,t go away quietly just go away.

thmcbb on February 22, 2010 at 4:24 PM

McCain has some Arizona swamp land to sell sight unseen.

How pathetically stupid is McCain willing to prove himself to be as he grovels for votes? “My dog ate my glasses.” Spare us the reality check. You never read the bill though you suspended the GOP POTUS CAMPAIGN weeks before the general election. You campaign all the time to pass bills that you’ve never read. It’s never been a big deal UNTIL NOW.

What a shame to keep going behind those prison walls to whip up support for McCain’s unconstitutional legislative efforts.

Thank you for your military service to our nation, Sen. McCain. But take the lead from your father. Even Navy Admirals know when to retire. Finish your term while you support stronger conservatives than yourself to rescind corruption that slipped by you.

maverick muse on February 22, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Midas on February 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Really? Identity politics of the worst kind gave us Arlen Specter. “Oh, he has an R, he must be good”

Beck, nor I, never made the claim that Democrats didn’t suffer from identity politics as well.

Conservative Voice on February 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Juan will have ample time to spend on his ranch in Sedona with all his wife’s beer fortune.

omnipotent on February 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Just like McCain lost the general because of McCain.

Weight of Glory on February 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM

You know my feelings on that.

JetBoy on February 22, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Weight of Glory on February 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM

You and I both remember the unattractive different tune JetBoy sang during McCain’s potus campaign.

maverick muse on February 22, 2010 at 4:27 PM

RINO is a term that’s too easily thrown out there, and often misused. A true RINO is someone like Mayor Bloomberg, or Arlen Specter. Not John McCain or Charlie Crist.

JetBoy on February 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Totally agree, but if McCain doesn’t fit the definition then no one does.

Valiant on February 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I suppose Reagan was a horrible president, since he DID approve a blanket amnesty in his day, which is far more than McCain would do.

JetBoy on February 22, 2010 at 4:19 PM

He did that on the promise that his desire to seal the borders would be fulfilled, but the Dems screwed him over on that. It only happened once under Reagan, what’s McCain’s excuse?

Maquis on February 22, 2010 at 4:29 PM

What is with the nambey-pambey talk from the right. Why can’t McCain man up and say with 20/20 hindsight that it was a bad decision made under duress and panic.

…and what is this “misled” business? Either he was lied to or not. If Paulson and Bernanke lied, then say so. Children are misled, adults are capable of research and decision making.

Laura in Maryland on February 22, 2010 at 4:30 PM

This couldn’t be going better . We will get rid of McCain and Palin will be exposed as the intellectually challeged opportunist she is .

borntoraisehogs on February 22, 2010 at 4:32 PM

the four-term senator says he was misled by then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Even taken at face value this still shows he’s undeserving of a Senate seat.

How can you justify being in the Senate for decades and still knowing so little about economics and the facts of the situation that you could be misled?

Pathetic, either way.

JDPerren on February 22, 2010 at 4:32 PM

What is with the nambey-pambey talk from the right. Why can’t McCain man up and say with 20/20 hindsight that it was a bad decision made under duress and panic.

…and what is this “misled” business? Either he was lied to or not. If Paulson and Bernanke lied, then say so. Children are misled, adults are capable of research and decision making.

Laura in Maryland on February 22, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Not when the actions about which you were misled/lied to are in the future.

unclesmrgol on February 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Now why does this man bring out the best of Mccain’s maverickness ?

macncheez on February 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

I suppose Reagan was a horrible president, since he DID approve a blanket amnesty in his day, which is far more than McCain would do.

JetBoy on February 22, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Wrong. By campaigning to repay illegal aliens the earnings paid into Social Security accounts of citizens, McCain offered a blanket amnesty for fradulent filings.

Chris_Balsz on February 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Juan, I was misled into voting for you. Now retire, already.

bloggless on February 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Exit question: When push comes to shove, given his record, even Sarahcuda’s not going to be able to do much to sell him to grassroots conservatives, is she?

The real question is, with all her talk about fiscal responsibility why is she backing McCain in the first place. She needs to answer this for me. And I don’t accept loyalty as an answer. Her first loyalty should be to the republic.

conservnut on February 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Actually, I’d like to hear allah’s defense of his support for TARP.

The TARP crisis and aftermath should be an object lesson for conservatives. When the heat is on, many experts and so-called conservative leaders will toss principles out the window and just follow the herd–McCain did it, Bush did it, Mitt did it and a boat load of GOP Congresscritters and pundits did it too (Paul Ryan, supposedly both an expert and conservative, being just one more example).

Lesson: The “educated class” and the “political class” are easily rolled. Credentials and expertise are no substitute for a firm grasp on basics and the courage to say NO to the herd.

james23 on February 22, 2010 at 4:46 PM

The real question is, with all her talk about fiscal responsibility why is she backing McCain in the first place. She needs to answer this for me. And I don’t accept loyalty as an answer. Her first loyalty should be to the republic.

conservnut on February 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

That’s her answer, whether you accept it or not. For some reason, she feels she has a greater obligation to McCain than she does to you–go figure, after all you’ve done for her.

james23 on February 22, 2010 at 4:48 PM

You’re a RHINO John.

mixplix on February 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM

I remember RHINO John supporting amnesty and keeping our boarders open. Now he has amnesia.

mixplix on February 22, 2010 at 4:58 PM

after all you’ve done for her.

james23 on February 22, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Well there you go. I have defended her on this site countless times. I can’t continue to do that if she loses site of the big picture. Not that my support means that much to her, but I am not alone.

conservnut on February 22, 2010 at 5:02 PM

It’s too late Mac. You were getting paid well for 25 years to educate yourself through OJT and had plenty of time to bone up on economics, banking and other fiscal matters. You blew it. You cut ‘classes’, collaborated with the enemy, and generally made a pain of yourself. Then you ran the lamest campaign in modern history. Now you offer an Obamaesque excuse? Get lost!

JimP on February 22, 2010 at 5:02 PM

John McLame is a fryed duck…I will not vote for your sorry azz. Your are no longer trusted to stay the course of conservatism. You come out swinging against JD while playing footsies with O’dumbo!.
You call JD a porker, but YOU voted for the Bailout….

Retire or be Fired!….

hawkman on February 22, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Hey, just like the Dems were “misled” into supporting the war in Iraq.

Sharke on February 22, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Allah, McCain is not the only Republican who needs to apologize for the pre-socialization of America. I would feel much more optimistic if many of the Republican’s would admit their part in this disaster. No wonder so many Americans are angry and frustrated. It is hard to move on when the Republicans refuse to come clean. It really makes their sincerity questionable.

mobydutch on February 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Why do politicians think it’s ok to be misled? That means that a)they aren’t the ones doing the leading, and b)they weren’t wise enough to make the right choice, and c)they didn’t decide on their own.

All good reasons for a person to be booted out of office.

hawksruleva on February 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM

In other words, he didn’t read it before he voted for it . .

Heck, Rush pointed out that the very first section of TARP gave the Secretary of the Treasury carte blanche to do whatever he darn well pleased to do with that money.

“Really judge, I can’t read speed limit signs and stop signs, so don’t hold me accountable for my tickets!”

PastorJon on February 22, 2010 at 5:19 PM

And this is why economic illiterates have no business making decisions for the rest of us–even though Washington got us into this mess, these preening gasbags brayed that only they could save us. Which is also why we need to return to the Constitution and vote the vast majority of them out.

james23 on February 22, 2010 at 4:48 PM

No citizen owes a politician loyalty. They swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Their only loyalty should be to the Republic.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Well, Eric Cantor and a bunch of other Republicrats have a lot to atone for than don’t they?

portlandon on February 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Then he is was too stupid to be President during a time of complex economic stress, just like Obama.

When it came to pass the the only three candidates for President were Senators, I knew it was going to be bad, just how bad was the question.

archer52 on February 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM

I wonder who misled him on McCain-Feingold, Bush tax cuts and amnesty. And what kind of an excuse is that anyway? Like Mom would ask, “If someone told you jump off a cliff, would you do it”? Sad, just sad.

AnotherEd on February 22, 2010 at 5:25 PM

I’ve been receiving lots of solicitations from the McCain campaign seeking donations but so far I’ve received nothing from JD. Nothing! The last poll I saw showed McCain ahead of JD. It’s funny to see everyone out of state so excited over Hayworth. It might be a close race but I’d place my bet on McCain winning. JD is too much of a blowhard and not liked that well. JMHO

GrannySunni on February 22, 2010 at 5:28 PM

McCain isn’t entirely incorrect. The original intent of TARP was to buy up bad mortgage related financial assets, but quickly morphed into the thing that ate Washington.

redfoxbluestate on February 22, 2010 at 5:29 PM

McCain isn’t entirely incorrect. The original intent of TARP was to buy up bad mortgage related financial assets, but quickly morphed into the thing that ate Washington.

redfoxbluestate on February 22, 2010 at 5:29 PM

so he’s mistaken about where he was misled?

Chris_Balsz on February 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM

I wonder who misled him on McCain-Feingold, Bush tax cuts and amnesty. And what kind of an excuse is that anyway? Like Mom would ask, “If someone told you jump off a cliff, would you do it”? Sad, just sad.

AnotherEd on February 22, 2010 at 5:25 PM

You forgot global warming. Captain Amnesty is among the worst of the rinos.

dogsoldier on February 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Poor John; Hasn’t learned to listen to his constituents.
He’d rather get smoke blown up his ass by his co-workers. This way he doesn’t have make any troubling decisions.

Cybergeezer on February 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM

It’s time to purge the Rino’s!!! Huckabee and Palin should be very careful these next few months.

And Bill B? Your comments on the Maverick, and on Beck are under consideration.

neoSon of Liberty on February 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM

As much as I don’t want to admit it, man’s got a point. TARP was sold as something much different than it ended up being. It was SUPPOSED to set up a mechanism to take assets made toxic because of mark-to-market rules were messing up their valuations, buy some time to determine just what those assets were worth, then sell them back to the market. I saw it as the best of a bunch of bad choices. Alas, the program turned into a Sopranos-style “gift” to a few organizations.

JohnTant on February 22, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Which just goes to prove that even under the most charitable interpretation, accepting McCain at his word, the man is less capable of holding office than your average tea party patriot.

MJBrutus on February 22, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Yeah–Big Mac fooled by the Ham-burgler again!

Guess now he knows how all the dim wits who voted for him in the “precedential” primaries feel too.

chickasaw42 on February 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM

See what I mean about why it’s usually smarter to defend a bad political decision than to try to pass the buck?

Personally I think it is a hell of a lot easier to explain why you voted against popular legislation instead of why you voted for very unpopular legislation.

But that is just me.

clement on February 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Wait a second.

John “I would like to fire the Chairman of the SEC” McCain didn’t understand important legislation relating to Wall Street and the financial industry?

I mean, what? Who could have seen that coming? I mean, other than anybody.

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:07 PM

How did conservative McCain vote on the jobs bill today? He’s mentor to Scott Brown, right? Brown voted for the Reid bill, costing us billions!

JiangxiDad on February 22, 2010 at 6:07 PM

If I were Governor Palin, I would

1. walk up on stage at a McCain rally
2. look at JMac
3. shake my head
4. yell, “F*ckin’ hell, John”
5. walk off

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM

LOL! So true.

John, I’m going to help you go into retirement!

Tim Burton on February 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Mitt did support the bailout only on a limited basis and warned that the bailout was nothing more that a pork laden bill that would hurt rather then help the economy.

Conservative Samizdat on February 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Governor Palin

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM

I always wondered – do you still get to call people that if they quit midway through? How does the etiquette work there? She obviously didn’t want the job, so why not refer to her as Mrs. Palin?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM

So McCain takes ZERO PORK, which is saying ALOT given how powerful he is.

JD Hayworth, in addition to being corrupt, took PORK when in CONGRESS.

How exactly does this make Hayworth the grassroots candidate I wonder? I thought Spending was a big deal to the base?

jp on February 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Not a lot to add, that just deserved repeating.

I’m not the biggest McCain fan, but I’d rather have him, and influential Senior Senator, that J.D a blowhard porker.

gary4205 on February 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM

John McCain suspended his stupid, inept campaign to sign on to the biggest rippoff of the American taxpayer to that date.
He had a chance to stand for capitalism and free market principles and solutions to the faux crisis as real conservatives did.
As the socialists danced wildly proclaiming capitalism dead John Mccain stood in the Senate with capitalisms blood on his hands.
Now the best the professional panderer can do is sy they did it. It was they how many times in the above statement?
NO JOHN IT WAS YOU! DAMNIT MAN YOU SOLD OUT CAPITALISM AND FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES!

Ignorance is no defense though it is often the first defense of cowards!
Resign John McCain and let a better man serve the American taxpayer!
You would trash and tarnish a good man but you would stand with the Marxists and socialists.
Your either too damn dumb, too disingenuous, or too dishonest to be trusted to represent the American people in such an important position.
Resign man and live out your life without further disgracing yourself and the people who trusted and elected you.

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM

I always wondered – do you still get to call people that if they quit midway through? How does the etiquette work there? She obviously didn’t want the job, so why not refer to her as Mrs. Palin?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM

She wanted the job idiot.

It was hard work by Obama’s thugs, who continually filed bogus ethics complaints that were costing the taxpayers of Alaska millions upon millions of dollars to investigate. Not to mention the personal fortune it was costing her AND HER STAFF. That’s why she quit, to save the Alaska tax payers any more grief.

The fact that it freed her up to destroy Obama was just a bonus!

Sarah absolutely did the right thing by handing off the state to her incredible capable Lt Governor.

It changed the game completely. It also allowed her to take the battle straight to Obama. And Sarah has been more effective at that than anyone in the nation.

This is truly old ground. Are you really this dumb?

Oh, and EVERYONE keeps their title after service. Rudy is still called “Mr Mayor”. Ex Presidents are still called “Mr President”. Ex Governors are referred to as “Governor.”

Take your petty hate and go on down the road loser.

gary4205 on February 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Oh, and EVERYONE keeps their title after service. Rudy is still called “Mr Mayor”. Ex Presidents are still called “Mr President”. Ex Governors are referred to as “Governor.”

gary4205 on February 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Yeah I know that, but does that apply to quitters too? I’d think it wouldn’t if she didn’t want to do her job anymore, you know?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Now McCain would probably still vote for it even if he wasn’t misled but I think he’s telling the truth here. Paulsen basically held Congress hostage saying that the whole system would come down if Goldman Sachs didn’t get their money.

alteredbeat on February 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Now McCain would probably still vote for it even if he wasn’t misled but I think he’s telling the truth here. Paulsen basically held Congress hostage saying that the whole system would come down if Goldman Sachs didn’t get their money.

alteredbeat on February 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Whoa! He held them hostage? How did he do that?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:50 PM

While I appreciate TARP’s value as a political weapon, I must ask, why wield the club among friends? The bank bail-out worked. Lehman’s collapse and the ensuring panic removed some of the moral hazard, but the financial system as a whole didn’t fall. Personally, I would have preferred to have the package structured as a straight-out, Swedish-style capital infusion from the start (which it turns into anyway) to minimize the executive’s discretionary power, but that’s water under the bridge. Really guys, can you imagine the situation we would be in if Bush had taken the easy road and bailed out Lehman Brothers? Maverick would be president and struggling with a crisis that’s grown even worse.

year_of_the_dingo on February 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Boooyaaa! Nice rant!
Tweet that to him and Palin.

Cybergeezer on February 22, 2010 at 7:06 PM

Sen. McCain – did they promise to respect you in the morning or was there a r#pe kit involved?

Doesn’t wash, doesn’t make sense, and you do look senile making such a lame excuse.

24K lady on February 22, 2010 at 7:09 PM

I always wondered – do you still get to call people that if they quit midway through? How does the etiquette work there? She obviously didn’t want the job, so why not refer to her as Mrs. Palin?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM

I think President Kennedy might have a problem with your logic.

portlandon on February 22, 2010 at 7:12 PM

I think President Kennedy might have a problem with your logic.

portlandon on February 22, 2010 at 7:12 PM

I doubt it. Unlike Mrs. Palin, President Kennedy was actually murdered, and since he was not alive, he was unable to fulfill the rest of his term.

Mrs. Palin just quit. She could have done her job, but chose not to.

Do you not understand the difference?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM

All this does is set up the excuse for reconciliation!

Obama,
“vote with us Repubs and share the blame for passing a bill the American people will run us out of town for,

or stand against us and we will pass a bill alone, that the American People will run us out of town for!”

Tough call huh Repubs?

I say Pinnochio and the Dimwit party is holdin aces and eights The Dead Mans Hand!

Don’t even bother to go Repubs you’ve got 11/02/2010, looks like a full boat aces and twos!

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Damg it wrong thread sorry!

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM

What do you call an Impeached ex-president?

Monicas Boyfriend?

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM

While I appreciate TARP’s value as a political weapon, I must ask, why wield the club among friends? The bank bail-out worked. Lehman’s collapse and the ensuring panic removed some of the moral hazard, but the financial system as a whole didn’t fall. Personally, I would have preferred to have the package structured as a straight-out, Swedish-style capital infusion from the start (which it turns into anyway) to minimize the executive’s discretionary power, but that’s water under the bridge. Really guys, can you imagine the situation we would be in if Bush had taken the easy road and bailed out Lehman Brothers? Maverick would be president and struggling with a crisis that’s grown even worse.

year_of_the_dingo on February 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM

They’re still carrying thousands of worthless chopped & bundled mortgages, many of which are foreclosed upon, which nobody will buy, but the Fed and Treasury regulators allow them to pretend have real value.

It’s going to get much worse.

Chris_Balsz on February 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM

What do you call an Impeached ex-president?

Monicas Boyfriend?

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM

President Clinton. He served his full term. He didn’t quit. Even someone who’s removed from office by force may be deserving of the title – why does a quitter deserve it?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 7:24 PM

J.D. Hayworth must be rubbing his hands with glee.

JD was on Fox this morning. He went how could a long standing Senator be so “easily duped”.

Maybe JD should get Paris Hilton to do an ad for him and call McCain the “wrinkly old white dude” again. In fact, she could wear a hot nurses outfit and push McCain around in a wheelchair… and he could look up at her and say is that you Cindy?

Mr_Magoo on February 22, 2010 at 7:26 PM

President Clinton. He served his full term. He didn’t quit. Even someone who’s removed from office by force may be deserving of the title – why does a quitter deserve it?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 7:24 PM

gary4205 on February 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Pretty much nails it if you can’t understand that you must be slow as John McCain!

dhunter on February 22, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Don’t feed the troll.

alwaysfiredup on February 22, 2010 at 7:47 PM

No citizen owes a politician loyalty. They swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Their only loyalty should be to the Republic.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 5:22 PM

It’s very difficult to enact an agenda when you have no allies. Don’t be so shortsighted. This is politics, not a philosophy class.

alwaysfiredup on February 22, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:44 PM

What’s the difference between an elected official who retires in the 3rd quarter of her term to return to private life and one who leaves in the first third of his term to run for and finally assume a higher office, in violation of his expressed promise not to?

One quit, leaving her state in good hands and in better shape than she found it; one lied, quit and left an open seat which caused a representational vacancy and distress.

rrpjr on February 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM

What’s the difference between an elected official who retires in the 3rd quarter of her term to return to private life and one who leaves in the first third of his term to run for and finally assume a higher office, in violation of his expressed promise not to?

rrpjr on February 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Good point. I won’t refer to President Obama as Senator Obama anymore.

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I always wondered – do you still get to call people that if they quit midway through? How does the etiquette work there? She obviously didn’t want the job, so why not refer to her as Mrs. Palin?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM

If we’re talking etiquette, it has nothing to do with whether she “wanted” the job. Former anything’s revert to their titles, e.g. Mr. Carter, Mr. Clinton, Mrs. Palin. Only current office-holders are referred to by their respective titles.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Only current office-holders are referred to by their respective titles.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Wrong.

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:13 PM

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roud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Sorry, I’m correct on this. I don’t know where you get your expertise, but I was trained in this.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM

Whoops. Obviously, I didn’t use the handy dandy preview feature.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Sorry, I’m correct on this. I don’t know where you get your expertise, but I was trained in this.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM

TRAINING FAIL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/06/AR2006060601276.html

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Refer to him as anything you’d like. You haven’t answered the moral question. He quit a job he promised he wouldn’t quit.

rrpjr on February 22, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Did you actually read the answer? Senators may hold their titles, but others give them up. That includes governors, dear.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Refer to him as anything you’d like. You haven’t answered the moral question. He quit a job he promised he wouldn’t quit.

rrpjr on February 22, 2010 at 8:19 PM

I don’t see a question there.

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Did you actually read the answer? Senators may hold their titles, but others give them up. That includes governors, dear.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:21 PM

READING FAIL. For you, of course.

And since former senators are forever styled senator, the other members of Congress may as well be. Only holders of unique titles, such as president of the United States, are supposed to surrender them on leaving office. Former presidents Truman and Eisenhower gracefully assumed the last multiple titles they had held, senator and general respectively. But now we have a number of people styled “President.”

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Try again. And, check some other sources. You’ll find they agree with me–or rather, I agree with them. Truly, what is the matter with you? You are consistently obnoxious.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Try again. And, check some other sources. You’ll find they agree with me–or rather, I agree with them.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Ball’s in your court, champ. You’re the expert here, remember?

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Oh, what the heck, I’m feeling charitable. Here’s another one:

http://englishplus.com/news/news1200.htm

Guess what? This one agrees with me too!

You’re not very good at whatever you’re trained at.

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Apparently this is just not your strong suit. Senators may still be called “Senator.” Congressmen are properly called Mr. or Mrs., whether in or out of office. Those with titles that are more exceptional, such as “President” or “Governor” revert to the title of Mr. or Mrs., or whatever the last title they had was (General, etc.). In the case of Mrs. Palin, it is Mrs.

Please, read carefully what you are posting–you continue to post articles that confirm what I say and insist they say something else. I don’t know what to make of you, except you do not really read what you post.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Something clearer for you.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:53 PM

McCain: I was misled into supporting TARP

Dumbass!

McCain: I was misled into supporting McCain-Feingold

Dumbass!

McCain: I was misled into supporting Cap and Trade

Dumbass!

patch on February 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Huckabee was against the TARP from the outset and all other bailouts since. Even when Bush, Romney, McCain, and Palin were all joining in support with Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Frank.

’nuff said. Huck’s a real leader. If you think he’s liberal, it’s because the well-bribed (by Romney’s people) Club for Growth spread that false rumor around, including making TV commercials that used video of a Huckabee speech that was COMPLETELY out of context.

DFCSTech on February 22, 2010 at 9:11 PM

A lot of dumb comments have been posted here about this subject. I have thought since October 2008 that Paulson and Bernacke sold to GW Bush and Dick Cheney a bad bill of goods with TARP. Let’s remember TARP was a Republican Bush Administration bill, and John McCain was at the time the Republican candidate for President. So I was not put off by John McCain’s statement. If Dick Cheney were running for public office, he would be saying the same thing.

The fact is that John McCain voted AGAINST the second release of TARP monies while GW Bush was still President and voted AGAINST every Obama bailout bill.

Phil Byler on February 22, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Allahpundit, if the favorite Presidential candidates of “grass roots conservatives” are someone who blames America for 9-11 (Paul) and a former pro-abortion Governor who waffled about the Iraq War (Romney), then why should anyone seriously care about trying to convince such “grass roots conservatives” about anything?

Phil Byler on February 22, 2010 at 9:29 PM

McCain: I was misled into supporting TARP

Yeah, wasn’t this the fool who said in September, “Duh, I’m not so good on economics”?

He is a fool and thus easy to fool.

Sorry John, I appreciate your service but go home already. You don’t need the money.

disa on February 22, 2010 at 9:54 PM

(September 2008)

disa on February 22, 2010 at 9:54 PM

I don’t trust Romney. I know he’s trying to create a new image – I ain’t buying it. I want a straight arrow like Palin. Is there anyone else like that?

disa on February 22, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Excellent analysis of the economic freakout of 2008:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v32n1/cpr32n1-1.html

disa on February 22, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Only current office-holders are referred to by their respective titles.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Wrong.

Proud Rino on February 22, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Very good, Proud Rino. It is indeed incorrect.

Only current office-holders are may properly be referred to by their respective titles.

There ya go. Because the Constitution banned all lifetime dignities and honorifics. It is the office, not the occupant, who holds the title. Calling elsewhile employed former officeholders by the title of the office is a kiss-ass ploy that is unconstitutional, incorrect, improper, and unAmerican. Just like naming warships and buildings after live politicians. Why, you might as well BOW to the bastards.

BTW a Miss Manners column that suggests you “may as well” do anything, shows the Washington Post corrupts everything.

Chris_Balsz on February 22, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Chris_Balsz on February 22, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Proud Rino is incorrect–s/he is saying you address the person by his former title. Proud Rino disappeared after insisting the columns said something they did not, e.g., that the former office-holder is still addressed by the title s/he used to hold, and was proved wrong. Rather than simply admit error, Proud Rino chose to fade away.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2010 at 10:13 PM

I was misled into supporting TARP

McLame excuse!

FloatingRock on February 23, 2010 at 12:42 AM

I see all of you putting down McCain for his vote for the TARP, but I’ll bet most of you don’t know that McCain had an economic advisor, Romney, who told McCain to vote YES for TARP. I was on Hot Air around that time, and I saw many commenters say they would never vote for any Republican who voted Yes for TARP. Let’s see if you hold to your word!!! BTW, Mike Huckabee was the only Republican who voted against TARP and all the bailouts. Even Newt said he was against TARP, then changed his mind to be for it.

BTW, the person who said Huckabee and Palin, the RINOS, should watch themselves in the next couple months, I wonder why you don’t include Romney who is the biggest RINO of all the Republican candidates. Who else can claim Romneycare which the Dems have used as their model for Obamacare. You know the most unpopular healthcare polled now!!! Mandated healthcare which is certainly NOT a Conservative position!

VFT on February 23, 2010 at 1:10 AM

I see all of you putting down McCain for his vote for the TARP, but I’ll bet most of you don’t know that McCain had an economic advisor, Romney, who told McCain to vote YES for TARP. I was on Hot Air around that time, and I saw many commenters say they would never vote for any Republican who voted Yes for TARP. Let’s see if you hold to your word!!! BTW, Mike Huckabee was the only Republican who voted against TARP and all the bailouts. Even Newt said he was against TARP, then changed his mind to be for it.

BTW, the person who said Huckabee and Palin, the RINOS, should watch themselves in the next couple months, I wonder why you don’t include Romney who is the biggest RINO of all the Republican candidates. Who else can claim Romneycare which the Dems have used as their model for Obamacare. You know the most unpopular healthcare polled now!!! Mandated healthcare which is certainly NOT a Conservative position!

VFT on February 23, 2010 at 1:10 AM

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