It’s come to this: California town to charge $300 for … 911 calls; Update: Correction added
posted at 5:36 pm on February 22, 2010 by Allahpundit
A recession-flavored palate cleanser if ever there was one. As a commenter in Headlines put it yesterday, it’s “your money or your life” in policy form. What’s strange about this, though, is that they’re offering an alternative to the $300 fee — namely, an annual 911 “subscription” of just $48, which prompts the question of why they don’t just pass a $50 tax hike and force people to buy in. The way it’s set up now, the only people who won’t subscribe are the extremely stupid and the extremely poor, and while I don’t have much sympathy for the former, I have a lot for the latter. There’s no better way to do this?
Update: From the comments, a reminder that this isn’t merely “your money or your life.” It’s your money or their life: “Consider how many 911 calls are reports of incidents which have nothing to do with the caller; neighbors house on fire, assault in progress, car accidents, etc. and then think about how many of these calls will no longer be made.”
Update: It looked too bad to be true, and thankfully, it was:
“Journalists have been ringing our phones off the wall and even our town residents didn’t understand what we did, which shows the effects of viral misinformation,” says City Manager Leon Churchill. He and Mr. Maciel explain that the city of 80,000 copied the language from a law already adopted by 17 other California cities, including Fullerton and Costa Mesa. “Yes, we are having financial problems like all of California, which is up to its neck in debt because of the economy,” says Mr. Churchill. “But for some reason, this has morphed into reports that every time you dial 911, you get charged $300, which is untrue.”
In fact, the town says it has bent over backwards to accommodate its citizens by allowing them to subscribe to the service for $48 per household per year, $36 if the household is low-income. The $300 fee is charged only if the first responder, in this case with the fire department, administers medical treatment. Maciel explains that the city already had a private ambulance service, and wanted to augment that with a fire department that also had medical personnel.









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Washington Monument Syndrome.
amerpundit on February 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM
What about the 911 charge taken out of my phone charges?
Wade on February 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Uh, taxes they pay already to go emergency services. So now they’re going to double-charge?
How about they stop paying for seals?
Enoxo on February 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Because you can’t charge a 48 dollar “fee” to people cell phones.
Most people don’t have land lines and use cell phones .. so it is a profit for the cell industry as well as the er services.
upinak on February 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM
My guess is that the $300 is a total scam and the city will just try to extract the money from residents’ insurance companies. In some of the broke towns around here (Cleveland, Ohio), the cops charge people $200-300 to fill out car accident reports. The cops just send the bill to the insurance companies.
Total scam.
Outlander on February 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Hell… can I get a cop for $200… how bout $150. Can I make a deposit in the form of a speeding ticket. If I’m a bouncer, is it tax deductible as a business expense?
lm10001 on February 22, 2010 at 5:40 PM
Elitism from elitists- how very odd. What a brilliant way to weed out the population of undesirables.
theenforser on February 22, 2010 at 5:40 PM
double dipping… it is the new administration motto remember.
upinak on February 22, 2010 at 5:40 PM
I was about to move to Gurnee, IL in the early 2000′s. In an election at that time the Fire Department district want to increase their tax rate on property. If they did not get the tax increasem they said they were going to charge for each emergency response. Is that bad? Seems like a pay per use model. Taxes support having the people and equipment at the ready.
WashJeff on February 22, 2010 at 5:41 PM
So…if I witness a car accident, I gotta pay $300 to report it?
What if I am not a resident of Tracy and make the call within the city limits of Tracy, do I have to pay?
badpenguin on February 22, 2010 at 5:41 PM
I would start using pay phones again for 911 calls.
upinak on February 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM
ONe charge for the staff that is working. The second charge is for the staff of equal size that is retired with fat public pensions.
WashJeff on February 22, 2010 at 5:43 PM
Last sane person out of California…remember to turn out the lights…
AUINSC on February 22, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Have you noticed that when government says they have to cut programs due to budget woes or raise taxes (fees), it’s always fire, police, or some program for “the children”…?
… But the Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual and Transgender division for illegal aliens run by La Raza always seems to do just fine.
The citizens should demand an audit, and see where all of their tax dollars are going before they are forced out to pay twice for emergency services…
Seven Percent Solution on February 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Consider how many 911 calls are reports of incidents which have nothing to do with the caller; neighbors house on fire, assault in progress, car accidents, etc. and then think about how many of these calls will no longer be made.
makewi on February 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Hello 911; please enter your 14 digit credit card number followed by the pound sign. When your payment has been approved the next operator will be available. Please do not hang up or DIE! as that may delay your position in line.
lm10001 on February 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Even worse, the calls will now be picked up by a call center in Bangalore.
Cicero43 on February 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM
No doubt.
Weight of Glory on February 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM
So, if my neighbor’s house is on fire, do I get the charge for phoning it in via 911? What if i call the FD directly, is there still a charge?
So many silly questions for a silly policy. Tracy has a $9 million deficit, and rather cut the spending, they tax the desperate.
parke on February 22, 2010 at 5:47 PM
I must be one of the very stupid ’cause I wouldn’t pay it.
I made it a half century without it–don’t want it now.
With a couple of buttons pushed I can dial the direct number and talk to whomever directly without some chick asking me what the nature of my emergency is and telling me she’ll transfer me–to the same number.
People who can’t put that number in their cellphone are either the very stupid or the very stupid.
davidk on February 22, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Use ‘em while you can. The phone companies are gearing up to tear them out en masse. In the age where everyone and their dog has a cell phone, they aren’t just making enough of a profit. Plus they’re a favorite target of vandals.
Dark-Star on February 22, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Gee, instead on charging people for answering 911 calls (something that should be city service priority one), how about looking at those gold plated pensions first. Nahhhh
tommylotto on February 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM
This is right out of Marvel Comic’s Punisher 2099 series.
Some schlub is about to get mugged, and calls the police. The police say his account is in arrears and won’t come until he pays up.
Iblis on February 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Liberalism run amok. It’s time to pay the piper.
rightside on February 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM
OT: Glenn Beck just said he doesn’t want a third party, and said, “Republicans, please, don’t force a third party.”
Enoxo on February 22, 2010 at 5:49 PM
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
McCain Hater on February 22, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Can’t Obama just tack this onto his fancy shiny new health care plan? Don’t tell me he’s cool with helping states with their Medicare shortfalls, but not 911 calls.
Weight of Glory on February 22, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Coming soon, from our best buddies in DC:
911 Toll Call Reform911 Critical Care Reform After all, we have a right to 911 calls (it’s in the Constitution, right after our right to a pet unicorn).ya2daup on February 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM
People are just going to stop calling. Fact. Who will be desperate then? The people of Tracy being screwed over for something that shouldn’t have been part of the solution.
Seven had a great idea. An Audit… whatever “agency” in the Tracy area that does not comply has their funds ripped out from under them which can include the Emergency departments. If they show odd balances and no where money, the agency better have an explanation. And looking at overtime as well.
upinak on February 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM
As someone had written in an earlier thread, it will only take one multi-million dollar lawsuit from someone legitimately harmed. Or wronged because when she called because McDonalds served her cold McNuggets she was legitimately wronged and you sir are a racist.
Marcus on February 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Don’t worry Californicators. The Fed’s will bail you out with “ONSTAR!
chickasaw42 on February 22, 2010 at 5:51 PM
You would think the first dollars would go to essential services. When a community threatens essential services first with cuts, fees, fines or alternatives it just raises the question where are the first dollars going?
fourdeucer on February 22, 2010 at 5:51 PM
A true victory for Democrats, they must be so proud!
WisCon on February 22, 2010 at 5:52 PM
What does rights set forth or not set forth in the constitution have to do with local services that shouldn’t be charged for again?
amerpundit on February 22, 2010 at 5:53 PM
I confiscated our dog’s cell phone after she rang up $2000+ in charges via her constant texting to “Beatches in Heat”.
ya2daup on February 22, 2010 at 5:53 PM
I’m all in favor of this. I’ve never used 911 in my life.
pedestrian on February 22, 2010 at 5:54 PM
It doesn’t … should have used /sarc
ya2daup on February 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM
There is also the “crash tax” that is springing up in CA. Local governments are sending cleanup bills to out-of-towners involved in car accidents.
http://www.capitolweekly.net/article.php?_c=ynedsc6d7xdpg4&xid=yn067vdmlp93bj
Mark1971 on February 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Ah.
amerpundit on February 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Disagree with Glenn on this with the caveat that the RNCC, RNSC, & RNC stay out of the primaries. Limited government types, Tea Partiers, etc. need to prove that we can win the semi-final (the primary) before trying to win the final (the general). Don’t blame the GOP if we cannot win the semi-final.
WashJeff on February 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Aren’t progressive social utopias wicked awesome?
Weight of Glory on February 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM
Well, people, this is just another fine example of elitists/richie riches getting services, and the not so elitist or rich, not so much. This is setting up serfdom in the USA, something the founders fled in coming here. So any of you in Tracy reading this who know someone who can’t afford this kind of “Coverage” from a municipal agency, (the fact that they are CHARGING blows what’s left of my mind) consider sponsoring their membership. Or learn emergency medicine and firefighting yourself. Californians face some facts: you are quickly becoming lone wolves. The state isn’t going to be there for you much longer. And if the saying “As California goes, so goes the Nation” is true, the rest of us need to wake up, move our families out of California if we have any willing to leave, and start thinking of ways to do for ourselves. The benevolence of the left is now becoming the malevolence of the left. Churches wake up and take the place of benevolent organization you were meant to be from the beginning. BE THE HANDS AND FEET OF JESUS IN THIS WORLD! (Sorry, this is a sore point for me, a Christian and church member) And–oh yeah–if, in the next election, you discover a bill or something on the ballot that will increase taxes to pay for services, seriously consider voting no. Remember, some of these services are unionized by SEIU. I will remove myself from my soapbox now! :)
Driefromseattle on February 22, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Funny, all those liberals who brought up how we have a great public option in the form of things like the fire department and 911…
darii on February 22, 2010 at 5:57 PM
If my neighbor’s house is on fire and I don’t have $300, then Burn Baby Burn!
Steve Z on February 22, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Do liberals EVER think through the consequences of their legislation?
(A rhetorical question.)
sax-maniac on February 22, 2010 at 5:57 PM
I hope you have a few feet between you and your neighbors house. If so, I recommend three foot branches, a bag of marshmallows, chocolate, and graham crackers.
WashJeff on February 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Just what I was thinking. Not only do they stick it on every cell phone bill, they also tack it on to my AT&T air card (used for Internet access only) bill; because I could theoretically take the SIM card out of my air card, put it into a phone and call 911.
29Victor on February 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Wait a minute… I thought my Phone bill showed a service charge related to 911 access that went to pay for the service. So now that charge is not enough and they want to have subscribers to an emergency call service? Is this the govt version of OnStar? Oh wait the govt now owns that service too.
bigskinny on February 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM
Hate to rain on the city’s money parade but cell phone 911 calls are directly routed to CHP dispatchers, then forwarded as necessary to local jurisdictions. In this case I can see the following happening:
911 operator, is this an emergency?
Yeah, you have a major traffic accident at ____ and ____ in Tracey. 4 people are badly hurt. Goodbye.
Exit question: Does Tracey intend to bill the CHP?
GarandFan on February 22, 2010 at 6:04 PM
Really? How many times do you call 911 Allah? I think it’s more accurate that the only people who WILL sign up are the extremely stupid, or people who use 911 to report Burger King for botching their order.
All this is really going to do is stop people from reporting crimes that happen to other people. And who’s really going to benefit from this? Drug dealers. Drunk drivers. Thieves. Rapists.
Never a better time to buy additional guns.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:05 PM
It is time to privatize emergency services . Interfering with Darwinian evolution has caused enough damage .
borntoraisehogs on February 22, 2010 at 6:07 PM
If it wasn’t for the fact that I know good people in California, and that I know there are many, many good people in California trying to fix this disaster … I’d say I couldn’t give a flying crap what happens there.
darwin on February 22, 2010 at 6:07 PM
Don’t know if many here have tried to call 911 but during what you would consider an emergency our call takers are asking what town your calling from even though any hardware or autoparts store around me knows my name and address with a phone number, how to spell the name of the street even if it’s one of the main drags, what the nature of the call is and if its to report gunfire I have been asked if I could discern the calibre and whether it was a rifle, shotgun or pistol. I once hung up on them because of the question routine and they actually called back and showed up.
Disclosure – I live near some pretty rank apartments and the police encourage us to call when we hear gunshots.
DanMan on February 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM
The last sane person left California quite awhile ago.
Midas on February 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM
California has insanely strict gun laws. That said, with a 10% income tax and a near 10% sales tax, and you still have to pay for 911, I don’t see how a rationale CA fiscal conservative can sleep at night. But this is a state that still gives Obambi a 59% approval rating.
TimTebowSavesAmerica on February 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM
I have the direct line to my PD’s dispatcher. Better than 911.
Mazztek on February 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Can this really withstand the legal challenges that can be expected to come up?
FireDrake on February 22, 2010 at 6:10 PM
So- Tracy California pop is just under 80,000. Even if they charged EACH person this 48 dollar fee it only comes up to 3,840,000 (if I did my math correctly) and they have a 9 million dollar shortfall. So how does this help exactly?
A neighbor not calling in a fire, or hearing gunshots, or a robbery in progress, or even a healthcare check on an elderly neighbor you haven’t seen outside in a few weeks because they don’t have the 300$ or they fear that you won’t have the 300$ to reimburse them with is a legitimate fear.
journeyintothewhirlwind on February 22, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Not really true. I live in California and I open carry.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:10 PM
They want $48/year from every citizen to fund 3%-at-50 retirement benefits for their public-safety employees.
That’s pretty much what it comes down to.
JEM on February 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM
Oh, and anyone with a cellphone will now make sure to call 911 on the cell, which goes to the CHP’s dispatch office (not sure if anyone’s going to try to charge that back…)
JEM on February 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM
I wouldn’t sign up, either. It’ll only encourage this kind of idiocy.
sandberg on February 22, 2010 at 6:14 PM
And just in case anyone else in California is interested in finding out more about the legality of open carry, you can find information here and here.
Join us.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:16 PM
This is needed to pay for the large benefit/retirement packages that government workers get that the unions coerced out of our city government. It is a statewide epidemic, which is one of the main reasons California is bankrupt.
DL13 on February 22, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Well, people do also travel to other cities. Do you have the nearest fire station, hospital and police station for every city you’ll ever travel to?
And do those places track all of the calls they receive so that they can send someone to help you even if you cannot stay on the line?
You’re likely fine without 911, but I completely disagree that it has no virtues. As tax payers, it’s just insane that we’d lose free access to something we’re already paying for.
Esthier on February 22, 2010 at 6:22 PM
There’s going to be a whole lot of “it sucks to be you” heard driving away from car accidents in the future.
Let me guess–they’ll stick the car accident perps with the $300 bill for the call that the guy in the Honda who drove away made for them—then, they’ll turn around and sue that guy for the $300 bucks.
Good Samaratins getting the shaft again.
ted c on February 22, 2010 at 6:22 PM
Outrageous…pay an exorbitant amount for a public service and then pay again when you use it..Thieves…I bet gun sales soar. Will they charge when they happen to stumble upon a crime without a call?
JIMV on February 22, 2010 at 6:22 PM
I’m going off the knowledge that you’re a may issue state, not a shall. I quickly looked at the open carry law; you can’t be loaded. You can probably scare an idiot crook, but smart ones will catch on if you’re not loaded, unless people just don’t follow that rule.
TimTebowSavesAmerica on February 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM
The solution, tracphones…disposable…make the call and chuck the phone and let the greedy government charge the dumpster.
JIMV on February 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM
We’re allowed to carry fully loaded magazines on our belt. It takes aproximately 2 seconds to load and be ready to fire.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Yet another pointless post.
Listen: Let’s try to be realistic here. The government just can’t pay for everything.
The California legislature has priorities. So what if they’re not your priorities? Sex change operations for state employees & golden parachutes for bus drivers are more important than sending ambulances and fire trucks careening through the streets every time you think you need one.
Grow up and try being a little more self sufficient. Try buying a longer garden hose or a home defibrillator.
Cry babies.
Dorvillian on February 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Not to mention that if authorities aren’t contacted about these issues sooner, it could wind up being even more expensive even from the government’s perspective.
Obviously it’s easier to put out one fire but harder to put out multiple fires if the first one spreads.
Esthier on February 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM
For open carry in CA the gun has to be unloaded. May as well carry a rock.
McCain Hater on February 22, 2010 at 6:29 PM
As stated above …
We’re allowed to carry fully loaded magazines on our belt. It takes aproximately 2 seconds to load and be ready to fire.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM
I believe your update is wrong. Elsewhere it said that the charge is not levied against the person who makes the 911 call but against the person who receives medical care..
So someone who calls to report an accident isn’t going to be charged anything.
katiejane on February 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM
California, by it’s own design and desire is sinking in it’s very own sea of red ink. Too big to fail? Don’t count on it.
It has come to this point through complete fiscal irresponsibility and economic illiteracy on the part of it’s elected officials. Evolution exemplified.
old trooper2 on February 22, 2010 at 6:34 PM
That’s not going to work. They’re not going to be able to charge a person for something they didn’t do. If the person accepts medical care, they can charge them for the medical care, but not for a phone call they didn’t make. Would never hold up in court.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:35 PM
And one 911 call to have it confiscated and you arrested.
old trooper2 on February 22, 2010 at 6:36 PM
The really odd part of this story is that it’s believed.
The phone company is not set up to charge people for calls to 911 and to make it possible would take a lot longer than a few months.
Never gonna happen.
Jaynie59 on February 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM
You don’t know what you’re talking about. You might want to check the links I included in an earlier comment.
Gregor on February 22, 2010 at 6:39 PM
hahaha….when services are scarce, who gets the ambulance, the subscriber or the low life who wanted to take his chances?
Uh, the low life because the subscriber dollars are already in the coffers! Why should a strapped municipality turn down a $300 911 call?
csdeven on February 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM
The councilman at the end says, “What’s somebody’s life worth?” So, then charge $10,000 for the call.
I would say somebody’s life is worth more than some fat firefighter’s pension. Maybe we should elect people who act that way.
What a tool.
Pablo Snooze on February 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Because before, they were “free”.
spmat on February 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Ok I will
macncheez on February 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM
In which case who pays? The person calling or the rescue-ee? I know that if I was getting robbed or was in a car crash, I’d have to do a mental calculation whether it would be worth it i.e. if I could “walk it off” without medical assistance. Is it pro-rated for just a squad car or is it a one-size fits all type of deal?
$400 for a non-resident? Man, I won’t be traveling through that area ever.
Rightwingguy on February 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM
Shamelessly copied from a similar thread:
Paul_in_NJ on February 22, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Well in several seconds can you turn a rock into something that can engage a target within 30 feet? I’ll stick with a gun, thanks. You can carry a rock if it would make you feel better.
Rightwingguy on February 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Oxygen a little thin on your planet?
Doorgunner on February 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM
I can’t run the video here at work, but there is nothing new with the charge. Ventura, CA has been doing this for the last 2 years.
http://www.vcstar.com/news/2008/jan/30/ventura-oks-fee-for-911-service/
jbh45 on February 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM
I’ve worked in telecom for 30 years. I know how billing works.
What planet are you from?
Jaynie59 on February 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM
Let me think about this a second. $300 for 911, wait 40 minutes for them to show up. Alternative, pull out my Glock, riot gun, or Battle Rifle, solve the problem in 3 seconds. Call the commercial police number and ask them to send the coroner. I will take the latter solution thank you.
usarmyretired on February 22, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Well if you carry that stuff around you all the time, then good on you. For me, that isn’t an option.
Rightwingguy on February 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM
Oh. My. Looks like the Recovery Act hasn’t helped Tracy, California if they’re having to charge so much for 911 calls.
TN Mom on February 22, 2010 at 7:12 PM
The only time someone in my family is more than 3 steps from a loaded weapon is when we go on base. Then I put the weapon in the trunk and magazine in the glove box. Like they say, if you leave home unarmed just say “baaaaaa” as you leave the gate. I love Arizona.
usarmyretired on February 22, 2010 at 7:12 PM
0 jobs created or saved, apparently.
Rightwingguy on February 22, 2010 at 7:13 PM
I used to feel pretty safe on military installations…then Fort Hood happened.
Rightwingguy on February 22, 2010 at 7:14 PM
We pay a 911 charge on the phone bill every month whether we like it or not. I thought everyone did. It’s either $1/month or $5/month… I can’t remember.
Anyway, why not call the ambulence company/fireman/police directly, and screw 911?
Kevin M on February 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM
An unloaded gun is nothing more then a rock. Yes, I can engage a target at 30 feet with a rock as well as you can with an unloaded gun.
McCain Hater on February 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Or if you can’t call the ambulence, then call the ambulance! (sorry)
Kevin M on February 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM
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