Quotes of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on February 21, 2010 by Allahpundit

“Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings.

“Siddall said that he did not know whether the retracted paper’s estimate of sea level rise was an overestimate or an underestimate…

“In a statement the authors of the paper said: ‘Since publication of our paper we have become aware of two mistakes which impact the detailed estimation of future sea level rise. This means that we can no longer draw firm conclusions regarding 21st century sea level rise from this study without further work.

“‘One mistake was a miscalculation; the other was not to allow fully for temperature change over the past 2,000 years. Because of these issues we have retracted the paper and will now invest in the further work needed to correct these mistakes.’”

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“The freezing temperatures and persistent heavy snowfall have meant this winter is on course to be the coldest [in Britain] since the late 1970s.

“Rob Hutchinson, forecaster with MeteoGroup, the weather division of the Press Association, explained: ‘This winter is shaping up to be the coldest for 30 years.

“‘There is a 95% chance that the period will have been the coldest since the winter of 1978/79′.”

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“According to Mr Schapiro, carbon trading is now the fastest growing commodities market on earth. Since Kyoto signatories bought in to the cap and trade concept in 2005, there have been more than $300bn carbon transactions, prompting several investment banks, including Goldman Sachs and Barclays, to set up their own carbon trading desks. But that’s just the start. If President Obama and his supporters can institute a cap-and-trade system in the United States – and that’s a big if for this increasingly marooned presidency – demand could explode into a $2 to $3 trillion market…

“‘Carbon developers’, many of them employed by large multinationals, travel the world in search of carbon reduction projects to sell, while firms of carbon accountants have been established to verify on the United Nations’ behalf that those reductions are real. The whole thing, though well intentioned, looks wide open to abuse and scams. Mr Schapiro’s account of the carbon trading market is obviously a sceptical one, and no doubt there are others that take a less cynical view. But I wonder what all the wide eyed climate change campaigners are going to say when the first scandals begin to break, still more what they’ll make of it when the whole thing turns out to be another giant asset bubble – if indeed the non production of carbon can be described as an asset.”

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Follow the money trail…the Goracle, GE, et al…

Gohawgs on February 21, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings

This is why it’s real science. When mistakes are made, those mistakes are called out and the data is re-evaluated.

The fake capitalist Bill Gates on the challenges of global warming. If only people like him were intelligent enough to doubt science:
http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html

Carbon developers’, many of them employed by large multinationals, travel the world in search of carbon reduction projects to sell, while firms of carbon accountants have been established to verify on the United Nations’ behalf

To suggest that big industry and big money is fueling carbon reduction more than promoting carbon-emitting activity is absurd. It’s like saying that there’s more money in recycling than manufacturing.

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Follow the money trail…the Goracle, GE, et al…

You’d better hope that companies like GE can produce jobs in clean energy- because the days of an economy powered by home building bubbles, the lending industry and deficit spending are over. Those jobs lost to China aren’t coming back either. Small business jobs that involve selling various services and trinkets to other Americans won’t maintain American wealth or our place in the world.

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Bubble after bubble until the banks get their wish and create an inflationary depression such as the world has never seen.

True_King on February 21, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Carbon Credit Trading?

What the hell – if we’re just inventing a market to trade in – let’s trade baseball cards.

At least they’re real.

HondaV65 on February 21, 2010 at 10:48 PM

If you find this one, give me a call.

I’ll give you all of Al Gore’s footprints for it.

profitsbeard on February 21, 2010 at 11:16 PM

OT: Wow! Take a look at this from CFP questioning BHO’s mental health.

d1carter on February 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM

What the hell – if we’re just inventing a market to trade in – let’s trade baseball cards.

At least they’re real.

What do you mean, carbon emissions aren’t real? I assume you’re in the camp that says- go ahead and massively increase atmospheric carbon and just hope that it doesn’t have any nasty side affects. After all, human activity has rarely had a negative environmental impact…

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Maybe they can trade them in their virtual online worlds burning up under virtual global warming. That’s the only place they will have any value.

ray on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminole-County-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2010m2d12-Former-NASA-scientist-defends-theory-refuting-global-warming-doctrine

Please help spread the word…

NASA scientist, using REAL sceince, prooves that even with more CO2 in the atmosphere, the Greenhouse effect is NOT putting more energy into the atmosphere…

Smoking gun folks… CO2 does nothing becuase all of the energy it would absorb, is already BEING absorbed… thus adding more CO2 does NOTHING.

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:21 PM

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

You need to be preaching to the chinese mr. enviroprofit.

daesleeper on February 21, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Oops… in the interst of scientific accuracy…

CO2 does do SOMTHING…. it helps plants grow…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Who gets to file the criminal complaint that puts Al Gore in jail?

Jimmy Baker’s old cell would fulfill Karma, His booty bandit cell mate can wear a uncle Sam outfit so he can be reminded that America doesn’t take kindly to snake oil salesmen.

Speakup on February 21, 2010 at 11:28 PM

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM
You need to be preaching to the chinese mr. enviroprofit.

daesleeper on February 21, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Yeah, cause we ain’t buyin’ and your blather is tiresome. Fixing something that you’re not sure needs to be fixed, even though you couldn’t fix it anyway, is foolish. Your type think that by pi$$ing in the oceans you can alter the salinity.

thomasaur on February 21, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Oops… in the interst of scientific accuracy…

CO2 does do SOMTHING…. it helps plants grow…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Thanks! Yes it do. Ask any farmer with a brain.

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Thanks! Yes it do. Ask any farmer with a brain.

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:29 PM

LOL…. thus, my next post… sorry… it must be too much CO2 here in Colorado (can’t be the borboun)…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:31 PM

What do you mean, carbon emissions aren’t real? I assume you’re in the camp that says- go ahead and massively increase atmospheric carbon and just hope that it doesn’t have any nasty side affects. After all, human activity has rarely had a negative environmental impact…

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Carbon emissions are real. But buying and selling them is as ridiculous as setting up a baseball card exchange or a fart exchange, or a urine exchange…

Buying and selling permission to do something you don’t need permission to do. Smartest idea ever.

You want to clean up pollution and what-not? That’s fine with me. But if you want to implement some grandiose tax scheme based on science that has been politicized since the coming Ice Age of the 70′s.

CO2 isn’t killing the world. And it won’t.

Greenland used to be green.

uknowmorethanme on February 21, 2010 at 11:32 PM

go ahead and massively increase atmospheric carbon and just hope that it doesn’t have any nasty side affects. After all, human activity has rarely had a negative environmental impact…
bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

And look at you, Mr. Righteous. Tapping away on a computer which utilizes mercury, lead, petroleum-derived plastic and which uses electricity more than likely gained by burning coal or oil to make it operate.

It was delivered either to your house or to the store where you got it by rail, truck, jet plane and ship, all of which burn massive amounts of “dirty” fuel.

Bishop on February 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM

cLOL…. thus, my next post… sorry… it must be too much CO2 here in Colorado (can’t be the borboun)…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Up there where the air is rare!

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM

go ahead and massively increase atmospheric carbon and just hope that it doesn’t have any nasty side affects. After all, human activity has rarely had a negative environmental impact…
bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

If the elites of the world who are pushing this bullsh!t on the rest of us would stop ferrying themselves around on private jets and living in huge mansions….

Come to think of if, why the f*ck am I the one that has to suffer because the fat cat hacks of the world can’t stop destroying the planet?

uknowmorethanme on February 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM

LOL…. thus, my next post… sorry… it must be too much CO2 here in Colorado (can’t be the borboun)…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Dam, my appologises…. that made like… no sense… LOL

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:37 PM

And look at you, Mr. Righteous. Tapping away on a computer which utilizes mercury, lead, petroleum-derived plastic and which uses electricity more than likely gained by burning coal or oil to make it operate.

It was delivered either to your house or to the store where you got it by rail, truck, jet plane and ship, all of which burn massive amounts of “dirty” fuel.

Bishop on February 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM

But,but,but.. you are making bayam feeeeeeeel bad! Keep up the good work!

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Dam, my appologises…. that made like… no sense… LOL

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:37 PM

Hey, this is HA. We understand “borboun”!

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:42 PM

But,but,but.. you are making bayam feeeeeeeel bad! Keep up the good work!

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM

And…. making him feel bad will increase his breathing rate…

Which will produce more CO2 which….

Oh… wait… doesn’t do a whole heck of a lot…

Never mind…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Please help spread the word…

NASA scientist, using REAL sceince, prooves that even with more CO2 in the atmosphere, the Greenhouse effect is NOT putting more energy into the atmosphere…

Smoking gun folks… CO2 does nothing becuase all of the energy it would absorb, is already BEING absorbed… thus adding more CO2 does NOTHING.

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:21 PM

This is not new information. Perhaps you mean this is a new source for this tidbit.

The science and engineer types on HA having been posting about the diminishing energy absorption effects of additional carbon dioxide in the atmosphere for over a year.

Yoop on February 21, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Yoop on February 21, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Uh… yeah…. I was … uh… one of them?

We had a lot of information on theory behind the CO2 absorbtion rates… but this is one of the first papers really looking at trying to proove, through historical data, what some of us have been saying all along.

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM

OT: Wow! Take a look at this from CFP questioning BHO’s mental health.

d1carter on February 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM

That’s the first time I’ve seen any claim that he learned Indonesian. I don’t think anyone has ever heard an Indonesian word come out of his mouth. Maybe he’ll let her rip next month when he’s in Jakarta? That would throw people for a loop, I think.

neurosculptor on February 21, 2010 at 11:48 PM

And…. making him feel bad will increase his breathing rate…

Which will produce more CO2 which….

Oh… wait… doesn’t do a whole heck of a lot…

Never mind…

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:43 PM

It could hyperventilate,pass out and stop the whiny posts.

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Uh… yeah…. I was … uh… one of them?

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM

You were the most persistent with the “range of absorption” argument, without any doubt.

neurosculptor on February 21, 2010 at 11:50 PM

OT: Wow! Take a look at this from CFP questioning BHO’s mental health.

d1carter on February 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM

That is a great read. Honestly, I question anyone’s mental health who believes in man-made global warming.

SouthernGent on February 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM

And look at you, Mr. Righteous. Tapping away on a computer which utilizes mercury, lead, petroleum-derived plastic and which uses electricity more than likely gained by burning coal or oil to make it operate.

It was delivered either to your house or to the store where you got it by rail, truck, jet plane and ship, all of which burn massive amounts of “dirty” fuel.

Bishop on February 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM

But,but,but.. you are making bayam feeeeeeeel bad! Keep up the good work!

katy the mean old lady on February 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM

If you insist, I’ll try to help.

His computer also contains measurable amounts of gold, silver, silica, copper, numerous rare earth metals, cadmium, nickle, and lithium. All of that stuff that is mined, mostly from open pits, and a lot of it exports from countries with little to no enforced environmental restrictions.

Yoop on February 21, 2010 at 11:58 PM

You were the most persistent with the “range of absorption” argument, without any doubt.

neurosculptor on February 21, 2010 at 11:50 PM

Yeah, I actualy learned the basics of that set of physics in Navy Nuclear Power School… back in 1980…

Reactors are ALL about heat transfer physics…

It just amazes me that no one in the MSM has bothered to look at the Physics of what the AGW people claim… it would be Pulitzer Prize stuff to expose this large of a scientific/Political scam….

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM

One name…P.T. Barnum: the Algore of his time.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 12:00 AM

OT: Wow! Take a look at this from CFP questioning BHO’s mental health.

d1carter on February 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM

That is a great read. Honestly, I question anyone’s mental health who believes in man-made global warming.

SouthernGent on February 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM

The information dike is springing leaks. The liberals are running out of fingers to poke in the holes.

The flood is going to be awesome.

Yoop on February 22, 2010 at 12:04 AM

One name…P.T. Barnum: the Algore of his time.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 12:00 AM

Well, in defense of PT Barnum… at lest the freaks he put in his show were… entertaining….

But then… we do have the Caveman in charge of the IPCC I guess…

and ManBearPig….

And the Two Faced Twins, Newt and McCain….

so, I guess we have our share of Freaks as well…

Romeo13 on February 22, 2010 at 12:05 AM

go ahead and massively increase atmospheric carbon and just hope that it doesn’t have any nasty side affects. After all, human activity has rarely had a negative environmental impact…
bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Let’s see, human activity has secured prosperity for ever increasing populations of humanity over time, the planet is doing just fine and, oddly enough, even though all the greenies espouse evolution they never seem to tell me about all the new species cropping up to adapt with these changes we’ve brought about.

But I understand how some humans care more about an idealized notion of “the environment” than they do about their fellow human beings. After all, some humans do exhibit the traits of parasites.

BKennedy on February 22, 2010 at 12:08 AM

Reactors are ALL about heat transfer physics…

It just amazes me that no one in the MSM has bothered to look at the Physics of what the AGW people claim… it would be Pulitzer Prize stuff to expose this large of a scientific/Political scam….

Romeo13 on February 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Even if they understood the physics, as you lay it out, they would not venture exposures of the scam. The ideology and the fundamental remaking of America into a progressive utopia trumps Pulitzer Prizes. They think their reward will come from inclusion in the New Order. But they keep forgetting about that bus.

Yoop on February 22, 2010 at 12:12 AM

Well, in defense of PT Barnum… at lest the freaks he put in his show were… entertaining….
compensated.
Romeo13 on February 22, 2010 at 12:05 AM

(FIFY)

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 12:14 AM

After all, some humans do exhibit the traits of parasites.

BKennedy on February 22, 2010 at 12:08 AM

BINGO! Yes, they do tend to evolve into politicians, liberals and trolls.

Yoop on February 22, 2010 at 12:15 AM

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 12:14 AM

Oh, I don’t know… ManBearPig has made a bunch off of CO2 offsets…

As has the IPCC chair (Caveman)…

Now…. Newt and McCain??? not smart enough to make money off it before it is discredited….

Romeo13 on February 22, 2010 at 12:23 AM

“I wonder what all the wide eyed climate change campaigners are going to say when the first scandals begin to break, still more what they’ll make of it when the whole thing turns out to be another giant asset bubble – if indeed the non production of carbon can be described as an asset.”

What does he mean “when”? Right now, some European nation’s carbon credit markets are as much as 90% fraudulent.

Of course there will be a market bubble, followed by many others, if a world-wide carbon market is established. It’s inevitable when you’re trading in concepts that have no intrinsic value, just like the derivatives market blew up. Betting on horses would be much more reality-based. It seems market traders have learned nothing since before the Tulip Mania of 1637.

Socratease on February 22, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Yeah, cause we ain’t buyin’ and your blather is tiresome. Fixing something that you’re not sure needs to be fixed, even though you couldn’t fix it anyway, is foolish. Your type think that by pi$$ing in the oceans you can alter the salinity.

Yes, those idiots like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, those extremists who don’t understand capitalism and want to ruin the economy. Luckily the average joe is here to help.

http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html

Let’s see, human activity has secured prosperity for ever increasing populations of humanity over time, the planet is doing just fine

The planet is doing just fine- based on who’s data? Your data or data from biologists at major research universities? Then again, you may see those experts as lacking credibility given their belief in evolution theory.

bayam on February 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Romeo13 on February 22, 2010 at 12:23 AM

My point exactly.
Smoke and mirrors ‘pard. Smoke and mirrors.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM

WAY o/t… Sorry, but I HAD to share with Hot Air

I went to a comedy club last night. When the comedian mentioned Obama the place erupted in quite a lot of boos. Palin was mentioned and she only got a few random boos.

The big kicker… the club is in SAN DIEGO!

I thought this was pretty darn shocking… and encouraging.

Ampersand on February 22, 2010 at 12:43 AM

Dayam, bayam…

MMGW is a scam…The rats are scurring for cover…Companies are pulling out of the Cap&Tax group…As for GE, GE has banked (pun intended) on a world wide trading of emmissions “offset” scam. I hope their shareholders will be happy with that rate of return…

The CRU is discredited…NASA, too…The U.N. guy quit to “pursue other opptys”…The Goracle won’t answer questions relating to his own Oscar winning work of fiction…

Science should be the persuit of information, not the persuit of agendas…

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 12:45 AM

WAY o/t… Sorry, but I HAD to share with Hot Air

I went to a comedy club last night. When the comedian mentioned Obama the place erupted in quite a lot of boos. Palin was mentioned and she only got a few random boos.

The big kicker… the club is in SAN DIEGO!

I thought this was pretty darn shocking… and encouraging.

Ampersand on February 22, 2010 at 12:43 AM

correction… I’m in SAN FRANCISCO! not San Diego. yeah… I’m an idiot. I think I’m still hungover…

Ampersand on February 22, 2010 at 12:49 AM

the days of an economy powered by home building bubbles, the lending industry and deficit spending are over.

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Aging populations and lack of population growth exacerbates this problem, just look at the car market. It grew from nothing to people buying new cars every year, yet now they are overproducing and can’t sell the backstock.
Homes are the exact same way. While cars can be removed from the road, an overstock of houses can’t easily be ‘clunkered’ and trashed.

TinMan13 on February 22, 2010 at 12:54 AM

Lessee….Part of California was supposed to fall into the Pacific Ocean, fracturing along the San Andreas Fault. It didn’t. Nostradamus was supposed to have predicted a global nuclear war starting in 1999 that would destroy most of the world but lead to 1000 years of peace. Another non-event. Richard Noone predicted that in 2000 the Antarctic ice fields would be so thick that it would kick off a new ice age. Um, never mind that he had a book he was trying to peddle at the time. Al Gore’s movie made millions, on what is now looking to be the biggest global warming scam in history.

All of these and other catastrophic events were driven by people who had something to sell, and/or were looking for fame and fortune in some other way, such as in Gore’s carbon credit transfer company, or in speaking engagements that paid handsomely. And all of them were driven by a keen understanding by the perps’ as to just how powerful a force “fear” is when eliciting basic human response mechanisms grounded in survival instincts.

Thankfully, with alternative media sources available reporting the facts in such catastrophic predictions, more and more people are better informed than ever. Hopefully that will mean that profiteering from the fear factor will become far less attractive to the grifters and scam artists of this world. I just hope someone starts a class action lawsuit against Al Gore for all the school kids that were traumatized as a result of being forced to watch his ridiculous movie.

KendraWilder on February 22, 2010 at 12:59 AM

Your data or data from biologists at major research universities? Then again, you may see those experts as lacking credibility given their belief in evolution theory.

bayam on February 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM

There are a whole lot of academic researchers that have gone remarkably quiet and are keeping their heads down right now, or haven’t you noticed. They are trying to avoid the increasing amounts of flying shrapnel from exploding peer reviews.

Yoop on February 22, 2010 at 1:00 AM

bayam on February 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Can’t speak as to Warren Buffets knowledge of science…

But Bill Gates? He is a Business GENIUS… but technicly? uh… not so hot.

He was able to basicly steal DOS from the creator, and sell it to IBM… and then build TEAMS of technologists.

Business smart? Yep… people smart? yep… science smart? Remains to be seen.

Romeo13 on February 22, 2010 at 1:05 AM

Then again, you may see those experts as lacking credibility given their belief in evolution theory.

bayam on February 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Neither clever, relevant, or persuasive. But I bet it was cathartic.

daesleeper on February 22, 2010 at 1:13 AM

MMGW is a scam…The rats are scurring for cover…Companies are pulling out of the Cap&Tax group…As for GE, GE has banked (pun intended) on a world wide trading of emmissions “offset” scam. I hope their shareholders will be happy with that rate of return…

The CRU is discredited…NASA, too…The U.N. guy quit to “pursue other opptys”…The Goracle won’t answer questions relating to his own Oscar winning work of fiction…

Science should be the persuit of information, not the persuit of agendas…

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Could not agree more. Um, let’s see, I’ll take them in order:

MMGW is a scam…The rats are scurring for cover…Companies are pulling out of the Cap&Tax group…

Couldn’t utter another syllable and be more eloquent.

As for GE, GE has banked (pun intended) on a world wide trading of emmissions “offset” scam. I hope their shareholders will be happy with that rate of return…

Um, not this shareholder. Jack Welsh, we hardly knew ya’! Someone should have brought out a straight-jacket for Sir Jeffrey when he started drinking the hopey-change-ade. Windmills my ass! Just waiting to get within 50% of my cost basis before dumping on principle. I hope to heck members of the BOD read HotAir…cuz’ I ain’t the only P.O.’d shareholder.

The CRU is discredited…NASA, too…The U.N. guy quit to “pursue other opptys”…

nuttin’ to add. You said it all. Oops, one thing to add. They are MORONS.

The Goracle won’t answer questions relating to his own Oscar winning work of fiction…

Silly Rabbit! Kids are for tricks! He’s busy penning his next work of fiction. I hear its something about skittles causing unicorns. To counteract this, he is having primary-colored fields painted so the unicorns will feel at home, and you can buy into this for a mere $99.90 per acre of primary colored pasture.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 1:25 AM

But I wonder what all the wide eyed climate change campaigners are going to say when the first scandals begin to break, still more what they’ll make of it when the whole thing turns out to be another giant asset bubble – if indeed the non production of carbon can be described as an asset.”

I’m NOT producing a lot of carbon too. What do I get?

Mojave Mark on February 22, 2010 at 1:30 AM

According to the experts, my “footprint” is the size of my little toe. Do I get some sort of refund?

azkenreid on February 22, 2010 at 1:39 AM

azkenreid @ 1:39 am

There’ll be a bailout…

Hey Chewy!

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 1:45 AM

I wondered what happened to all the carbon paper…

profitsbeard on February 22, 2010 at 1:46 AM

wondered what happened to all the carbon paper…

profitsbeard on February 22, 2010 at 1:46 AM

profitsbeard: Goreable probably burnt it!haha!!:)

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 2:02 AM

canopfor,

How’s the b-in-law?

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 2:06 AM

Heres is a video,of speakers,from the Geophysical Union
on the Sun!!!!!!!!
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U34A Consequences of an Unusually Long and Deep Solar Minimum I
——————————————–

http://eventcg.com/clients/agu/fm09/U34A.html

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 2:08 AM

Ugh!,forgot the comma after Union!!

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 2:09 AM

canopfor,

How’s the b-in-law?

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 2:06 AM

Gohawgs: Not that great,hey, I responded to Yoop,
go to Michelles farewell thread,I told Yoop,
the scoop!!

Scroll down on page #2,at 1:55AM.

Gohawgs,thank-you very much for your concern,
very much appreciated:)

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 1:45 AM

Praise the Lord! Does that mean you’ll buy my GE????

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 2:21 AM

Oops,Gohawgs,thats Page #3,sorry:)

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 2:26 AM

They still shoot carbon scamming horses, don’t they?

Americannodash on February 22, 2010 at 2:35 AM

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 2:30 AM

The quote is from another thread…but hear this:
I’m praying for you, your bro’ in law and all your family. Be well my friend!

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 2:35 AM

I’ve mentioned it once before and I’ll say it again here. Way back in the early 70s, I had a Disney comic book with a story about Uncle Scrooge scheming to own all the oxygen. He figured on getting rich by forcing the world to pay him to breathe.

I remember being mad at him and the concept. Yeah, yeah, I was just a 4th grader then and don’t even remember how his plot was foiled — maybe something to do with those catburglar brothers.

Anyway, little did I think I’d grow up to be threatened by Uncle Goracle scheming to charge me, not for O, but for CO2 by the ton.

AH_C on February 22, 2010 at 2:36 AM

canopfor,

Sorry to read that he’s not doing well…take care

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 2:37 AM

chewy,

The bailout was for azkenreid and his toe sized carbon foot print woes…

I’m afraid that you’ll get nothing and have to like it..

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 2:39 AM

Gohawgs on February 22, 2010 at 2:39 AM

(Stomps foot, snaps fingers and yells, “Nuts!”)

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 2:43 AM

OT: Wow! Take a look at this from CFP questioning BHO’s mental health.

d1carter on February 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM

+1000 I like the Author’s punchline:

Joy Tiz, Joytiz.com, born in Chicago, recalls when many democrats were actually normal people who were just wrong about everything. Joy holds a M.Sc. in psychology and a JD in law.

Joy has written extensively about current events and politics. She was a columnist at Americas Voices and now writes for Canada Free Press. Joy’s latest book, Obamanutz: A Cult Leader takes the White House provides an unblinking look at who Barack Obama is and what forces propelled him into the White House.

AH_C on February 22, 2010 at 2:47 AM

Peabody Coal Strikes Back

One more front, it begins. The irresistible force overcomes Gorebull Varming.

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 2:48 AM

Anyway, little did I think I’d grow up to be threatened by Uncle Goracle scheming to charge me, not for O, but for CO2 by the ton.

AH_C on February 22, 2010 at 2:36 AM

‘Probly way to late for this discussion, but I’m feeling kind of simple. Me whole life I was taught that mammals. reptiles and other creatures that had blood and heartbeats breathed in oxygen, exhailed CO2.
This was a kumbaya kinda’ thingy, cuz the plants on the planet sucked the exhaled CO2 up like it was candy. In fact, I was taught that they needed this to sustain life: As oxygen was to organisms with a pulse, so was CO2 to organisms with chloryphyll.
Can someone tell me how I misinterpreted this? I do admit, I am totally ADHD, but what part of this am I not understanding? And, when did plants not start needing CO2 to live.
Gosh, I feel really dumb, but want someone to explain this simple concept to me.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 2:57 AM

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 2:48 AM

I’m doing the Snoopy dance! Peabody Coal is a local company, and I’m pleased as punch to see them striking out for sanity’s sake.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 3:02 AM

But I wonder what all the wide eyed climate change campaigners are going to say when the first scandals begin to break, still more what they’ll make of it when the whole thing turns out to be another giant asset bubble – if indeed the non production of carbon can be described as an asset.”

I wonder if Obama will have a carbon bailout.

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2010 at 3:02 AM

The planet is doing just fine- based on who’s data? Your data or data from biologists at major research universities? Then again, you may see those experts as lacking credibility given their belief in evolution theory.

bayam on February 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM
Like for instance, the University of East Anglia?

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2010 at 3:07 AM

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 2:57 AM

Sorry, love, but the derangement of the fascist mind cannot be understood. Indeed it is irrational. Seeking advantage where the foolish congregate. It is a fact that 1/3 of humans cannot reason. Emotion is their only guide. This has slowed homo sapiens development. But lookat how well we have done in spite of homo emotions.

It is a battle that must be fought every generation. I hope you have educated your offspring well.

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 3:14 AM

I’m doing the Snoopy dance! Peabody Coal is a local company, and I’m pleased as punch to see them striking out for sanity’s sake.

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 3:02 AM

Quite appropriate. Cheers and drinks all around. Then back to the battle. The enemy is generational.

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 3:24 AM

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 3:14 AM

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 3:24 AM

…Cheeze Louise…I thought I was ADHD! Pass the…wow! did y’all see that blue-spotted cheetah?

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 3:41 AM

Caststeel on February 22, 2010 at 3:24 AM

I’m getting punchy…It’s been an uber-long day (going on 20 hours),but unless I am hallucinating (entirely possible at this hour), your last post sounds eeriely similar to the old “Pogo” strip: “We have met the enemy, and it are us!”

Chewy the Lab on February 22, 2010 at 3:47 AM

oddly enough, even though all the greenies espouse evolution they never seem to tell me about all the new species cropping up to adapt with these changes we’ve brought about.
BKennedy on February 22, 2010 at 12:08 AM

Perhaps you haven’t notice the “Trolls”?

DSchoen on February 22, 2010 at 4:23 AM

To throw in with just one cause is to become a walking hyperbole. When it goes belly-up, you become a walking parody. Such as Al Gore.

Funny how lefties are all prone to this. What is it with them and their soundbites?

Al Gore, last decade: “THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!”

Barack Obama, 2008: “HOPE AND CHANGE! YES WE CAN!”

Real men don’t talk in soundbites.

Grace_is_sufficient on February 22, 2010 at 5:00 AM

The Carbon Market
Unlike the Housing Bubble
Is based on nothing.

At least Real Estate
Cannot have zero value.
Carbon Credits can.

Haiku Guy on February 22, 2010 at 5:44 AM

Give back that Nobel, Goracle!

Before they yank it out of your hands first!

pilamaye on February 22, 2010 at 5:47 AM

Carbon credits, what a scam!

Zorro on February 22, 2010 at 6:53 AM

Nature Geoscience: Promoting crappy science since 2007.

“Rob Hutchinson, forecaster with MeteoGroup, the weather division of the Press Association, explained: ‘This winter is shaping up to be the coldest for 30 years.

And that’s without the accounting for raw data manipulation between those periods.

still more what they’ll make of it when the whole thing turns out to be another giant asset bubble

Lawsuits, I hope really big ones, and jail terms, lots of them.

Dusty on February 22, 2010 at 6:55 AM

Carbon developers’, many of them employed by large multinationals, travel the world in search of carbon reduction projects to sell, while firms of carbon accountants have been established to verify on the United Nations’ behalf that those reductions are real.

Next up from the filthy lying coward in the White House: The carbon development industry is too big to fail and, therefore, the US will engage in a cash for clinkers program.

highhopes on February 22, 2010 at 7:03 AM

“In a statement the authors of the paper said: ‘Since publication of our paper we have become aware of two mistakes which impact the detailed estimation of future sea level rise. This means that we can no longer draw firm conclusions regarding 21st century sea level rise from this study without further work.

It looks like peer-review is alive and well in the scentific community vis-a-vis climate studies. This is a good example of science at work, as the new replaces the old. Here, errors were detected, and the work is in revision. This example shows what skeptics, who are knowledgeable in the science, continue to do to advance our scientific knowledge of the climate in flux.

oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM

Trading in carbon credits??!! You might as well be trying to sell air. Wait! Wait! CO2 is air!!

docdave on February 22, 2010 at 7:20 AM

It looks like peer-review is alive and well in the scentific community vis-a-vis climate studies. This is a good example of science at work, as the new replaces the old.
oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM

It is neither a glowing example of peer review or science at work. The original work did not fully account for temp change over the past 2,000 years. This should have been brought up when the paper was originally reviewed and not after fraud was exposed at East Anglia CRU and Britain is having its coldest winter in 20 years.

This is about far more than errata in scientific studies. Too many laws have been written based on the bogus findings and false data used by the climate change industry. You and I are being forced to use twisty hazmat bulbs, drive crappy cars, pay more for gas, bring our own bags to the grocery, and a slew of other lifestyle modification initiatives brought about by the premise that the sea levels are rising and the climate is getting warmer. That aspect should not be ignored just because a couple of scientists admitted what they could not deny and withdrew a bogus study.

highhopes on February 22, 2010 at 7:22 AM

O/T
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Must see,Israel Ambassador visits and speaks
at UC Irvine,about free speech and a diverse
audience,

and,

Sh*t hits the fan at about 1:50,the tactics begin!
—————————————————-
America Was A Grand Experiment

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=17761

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 7:25 AM

It is neither a glowing example of peer review or science at work.

I will respectfully disagree. Mistakes are part of the process, as scientists are, after all, human. The process is working.

oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:25 AM

O/T,sorry to push this video,but commom sense is returning,
after constant protest interruptions,the Dean has finally threatened suspension,and outright explusion from the
University!!:)

canopfor on February 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM

To suggest that big industry and big money is fueling carbon reduction more than promoting carbon-emitting activity is absurd. It’s like saying that there’s more money in recycling than manufacturing.

bayam on February 21, 2010 at 11:00 PM

That isn’t what was said. “Big Industry” is doing both.

Lehosh on February 22, 2010 at 7:44 AM

It looks like peer-review is alive and well in the scentific community vis-a-vis climate studies.

[oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM]

In a generic sense of the words “peer review”, yes, but in the sciences, peer review is the screening of work before it is disseminated. In this case, Nature Geoscience failed miserably.

One can only hope the recent rash of exposures of sloppy science passing peer-review, not to mention the exposure of non-peer review articles being used as such, means that the Anthropogenic Warming Cult Age is nearing it’s end and the dawn of the Neo-skeptic Age is at hand.

Dusty on February 22, 2010 at 7:45 AM

I will respectfully disagree. Mistakes are part of the process, as scientists are, after all, human. The process is working.

oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:25 AM

The list of “mistakes” that cause a certain class of people to accumulate power and money is getting pretty long.

Lehosh on February 22, 2010 at 7:46 AM

I will respectfully disagree. Mistakes are part of the process, as scientists are, after all, human. The process is working.

oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:25 AM

No the process is not working. If the process was working, that paper would have never seen the light of day. When you have to pull your paper because you don’t even know if you are over or under estimating you basic theory, you are not a scientist, you are just making a wild a$$ guess.

Johnnyreb on February 22, 2010 at 7:49 AM

With the Federal Reserve, Fannie, Freddie, Ginnie, farm subsidies, medical subsidies, and on and on we are guaranteeing that we will have ‘bubbles’ in the economy. The lesson of subsidies: they encourage uneconomic use and valuation of whatever is being subsidized.

It doesn’t matter if it is a direct cash subsidy or a tax subsidy via refund or exemption, the effect is the same. Iran subsidizes natural gas use and went from a net exporter of natural gas to a net importer of it… of course they killed their petroleum refining industry to the point they have to import gasoline, too. China subsidizes gasoline and gets whipsawed at the top by price fluctuations and the people drive more with a steady fuel price. We subsidize sugar production and pay more for it via subsidies than we would via market prices. We subsidize medical insurance via the tax code for employers and employees, and rates skyrocket as people over-use the system because they don’t have to pay market prices. In fact no one can say what the unsubsidized market price of medicine would be as we have done this for so long we no longer have reliable data.

With science the base state is a given and any changes from it must be proven and demonstrated via experiments that can be replicated. Such results predict other things that can be used to test a hypothesis. Einstein had to hastily amend his calculations for relativity as he had gotten the deflection path of starlight near a large mass wrong… and that would have cast doubt on his theory and we would now be talking about the man who CORRECTED Einstein’s theory noting that person had done substantial work to demonstrate the bad math of Einstein. Thus, when talking about the planet it is not the assumption that ‘things are going wrong and prove otherwise’ but that things continue on as they have been via regular processes and it must be demonstrated that this is not the case. Geology had a grab bag of problems heading into WWII and sea floor geomagnetic data set the jumping off point to wipe out many previous ideas and describe a uniform system known as plate tectonics. That needed proof, lots of proof, over a decade and more from all around the world to finally get it nailed down. Anything like AGW must have a complete, cross-science dataset like that used to form plate tectonics as it is far, far more than ‘climate’ that is being impacted.

Consistent experiments and results, with outcomes that can be measured give a foundation for future work. Economics has had this with subsidies and science has this continually as any new reading that is not in accordance with what is known must be examined and explained. AGW has done none of the heavy lifting to engage the other sciences and demonstrate validity of the claims given… they ran from the geologists who study ancient climate beyond the last million years as they could get no sense out of the climate models presented in the 1990′s and still can’t to this day with updated ones. The conditions of atmosphere, climate and other factors were in play then and now, thus a theory must cover climates deep into our planet’s history, not just today’s.

We will still get ‘bubbles’ in the economy due to subsidies and encouraging non-market valuation of goods and services. Scientific fraud is halllmarked by its insularity an inability to deal with other sciences. I was in a front row seat for a couple of major changes in the sciences, that happened not so long ago. I know what science looks like, how it works and that it is a full contact body sport, not for cloistered analysts trying to fudge data and determine who their peers are and corrupt journals via that process. That is corrupt science and that is now how the game works. And there are some damn hard-assed scientists who love to participate… too bad the AGW proponents didn’t come out and play. Now they pay the price.

ajacksonian on February 22, 2010 at 7:53 AM

I will respectfully disagree. Mistakes are part of the process, as scientists are, after all, human. The process is working.

oakland on February 22, 2010 at 7:25 AM

Spinner. Spin all you want but you cannot change the facts. The process is not working and did not work then.

The peer review was poorly done, or the peer reviewers that were used were blinded by their agenda being similar to the authors.

The only reason the errors were caught now, and the paper withdrawn after publication is because the AGW story is unraveling and the authors feared getting caught up in the growing backlash. If they had not gotten caught there would have been no changes.

Yoop on February 22, 2010 at 8:03 AM

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