Obama on health-care summit: Let’s play nice or else I’ll nuke you with reconciliation; Reid: We’ll pass a bill within 60 days

posted at 12:51 pm on February 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

An efficient bit of political theater, capped by his insistence that “I don’t want to see this meeting turn into political theater.” It’s a little late for that, champ:

It is now clear that the “summit” the president has called for February 25 is not intended to consider different approaches to health care financing, but rather to create an illusion of momentum that might just lull disoriented congressional Democrats into ramming the health care bill through the budget reconciliation process…

The timing of this move (just after a congressional recess, when members of Congress won’t be spending much time at home again until Easter), the nature of the health care summit (a public relations spectacle intended to generate buzz in the political press more than to appeal to the public), and the character of the legislative plan (a quick hard push through reconciliation to avoid debate, amendments, and too much time to think) all seem designed to bamboozle rank and file Democratic members of Congress into taking a suicidal vote. But they are also aimed to slip the bill past the public, not yet alert to the danger. This stratagem is the perfect finale to a yearlong circus that has exposed the ugliest side of our politics.

With their plans to press ahead now clear, the Democrats have given Republicans little choice but to restate the full indictment of Obamacare at the summit and beyond.

The R-word is never uttered in the clip, but then why would it be? He has other people around to wave the stick for him while he’s busy offering carrots, from unnamed Democratic aides leaking to the Times (“It will be a reconciliation bill”) to threats about ramming through the public option from Reid’s office. The point of this, as is true of so much Obama stagecraft, is to present him as an above-the-fray voice of reason so that, when he inevitably resorts to hardball, it looks like he’s been forced into it by those mean ol’ recalcitrant Republicans. He actually goes so far as to praise two GOP proposals as good ideas, knowing all the while that they’ll never make it into the bill since no compromise will possibly come out of this meeting. It’s good schtick. I wonder if there’s anyone left who’s buying it.

The GOP used its own weekly address this morning to ask him once again to start over with a clean slate. That’s theater too, of course; the players are simply taking their places onstage for Thursday’s final act. Exit question: Are there, as Republicans claim, really 18 Democrats opposed to reconciliation? A head count by the Hill reveals the number is somewhat more nuanced.

Update: Bipartisanship, Obama style:

The majority leader said that while Democrats have a number of options, they would likely use the budget reconciliation process to pass a series of fixes to the first healthcare bill passed by the Senate in November. These changes are needed to secure votes for passage of that original Senate bill in the House.

“We’ll do a relatively small bill to take care of what we’ve already done,” Reid said, affirming that Democrats would use the reconciliation process. “We’re going to have that done in the next 60 days.”

The move would allow Democrats to essentially go it alone on health reform, especially after losing their filibuter-proof majority in the Senate after Sen. Scott Brown’s (R) special election victory in Massachusetts.

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Hope. Change. Post-partisanship. Bipartisanship. Oohh, look over there, it’s Lady Gaga!

misterpeasea on February 20, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Ewww, yuck. I wouldn’t “look over there” for Lady Gaga. On the FUGLY 1-10 scale, she’s a solid 11. She looks like Marylin Manson in a dress.

LiquidH2O on February 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM

AMEN. At least the GOP in the Senate is 100% united on this.

gophergirl on February 20, 2010 at 2:35 PM
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Agreed,I will hate it if it happens but if the gop is on the same page then we can get thru this.

ohiobabe on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

“We’re going to have that done in the next 60 days.”

Why haven’t they already done it? They’ll keep stringing this out as long as they can to keep the moonbats happy.

ddrintn on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

And I say… go for it. Because they’ll lose in droves come November, and when Republicans regain control of BOTH chambers because they crammed it through, Republicans can repeal it by reconciliation. If it takes 51 votes to make it, it equally takes 51 votes to remove it.

Enoxo on February 20, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Pinnochio holds the veto pen. The Republicans need to come out on every talk, TV, radio show between now and thursday and say if reconciliation is not off the table then the Dems don’t care what we or the vast majority of Americans think so go for it we won’t show up to an Obama photo-op. See ya in Nov.

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Who else has come out saying this is a good idea except the extreme extreme left, loser Reid, and Obama? Has there been any vocal support for it?

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

So how’s Evan “I hate the political climate in Washington” Bayh going to vote?

Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Bill Clinton was already running around rallying the base and saying that once its passed the voters will see what a great thing this is and flock back to them.

Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 2:37 PM

We are assuming that Clinton actually wants to “help” Obama? These are the Clintons who have been sidelined by Obama talking Hillary into taking the SoS job, and then giving all the plum assignments to his envoys while she goes to meet with ladies sewing circles in Burkina Faso. Bill is restricted with what he can solicit in the way of funds for his foundation because of his wife’s job.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM

If they bring this corpse back from the dead again, the country will become irate over it republicans will have no choice other than to stop all dem initiatives for the rest of the year…

JIMV on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM

“We’re going to have that done in the next 60 days.”

The GOP should create a doomsday clock.

Buy Danish on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Reid: Democrats will use 50-vote tactic to finish healthcare within 60 days

Then what is the point of the “summit” if not to be bipartisan? It’s simply a dog and pony show.

The Republicans better either boycott the summit, or turn the summit against the Democrats… and then file endless amendments to clog the system up when they attempt reconciliation.

Enoxo on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Touch’e!

Archimedes on February 20, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Interesting. Betting everything on red would have been more appropriate in this instance

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Ehh… I’m stealing a Wesley Snipes line…

Why would Obama bet on red though? Blue yeah, but red?

Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Why haven’t they already done it? They’ll keep stringing this out as long as they can to keep the moonbats happy.

ddrintn on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

They don’t have the votes for one version both the Senate and House can agree on. The funding, the union perks, the public option, and abortion all differ in the two bills. Obama is supposed to unveil the magic compromise on Monday.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 2:47 PM

If anybody has stopped calling, writing, faxing reps, it’s time to start again. No, it may not change a vote, but it will tell them we are awake, paying attention, and won’t forget.

Congress is demonstrating absolute contempt for the American people.

jodetoad on February 20, 2010 at 2:49 PM

LiquidH2O on February 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM

So in other words, she looks exactly like Marilyn Manson? XD

apollyonbob on February 20, 2010 at 2:49 PM

For one thing, I think the GOP should reserve a large conference room in the Capitol for the same time as the summit. Don’t say why, just reserve it.

Try to keep them guessing about attending, although in a city that leaks the way DC does, no doubt the GOP position will leak out as soom as it’s decided upon.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 2:49 PM

We are assuming that Clinton actually wants to “help” Obama? These are the Clintons who have been sidelined by Obama talking Hillary into taking the SoS job, and then giving all the plum assignments to his envoys while she goes to meet with ladies sewing circles in Burkina Faso. Bill is restricted with what he can solicit in the way of funds for his foundation because of his wife’s job.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Even IF Bill is trying ot accelerate Obamna’s political suicide (and you might be right) He’s still talking FOR the bill and if it passes it’s suicide for all of US.

Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM

gophergirl @2:35: Hope you are right about the senate GOP.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Who really wrote the “compromise”?

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Then what is the point of the “summit” if not to be bipartisan? It’s simply a dog and pony show.

The Republicans better either boycott the summit, or turn the summit against the Democrats… and then file endless amendments to clog the system up when they attempt reconciliation.

Enoxo on February 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM

This is the point.

All the classic ingredients of an Obama-Kabuki masterpiece!

A show trial of Repub’s on national TV, with him as the pragmatic disinterested “moderator” between all the squabbling childish legislators.In effort to get at least one “Snowe” vote and to be able to lavish the blame in a bi-partisan manner when the public gets a true taste of HCR’s actual ramifications in ‘13. Then he will sit back and proclaim that he was “hand’s off” the actual writing of the bill when the insidious intrusiveness of it’s nature dawns on Americans.

As a result of the odious provisions contained there-in he will proudly declare that this is another demonstration of how “the system is broke”. That the only logical recourse left is to allow some newly created, unelected panel of czars find the solotutions. Where by he will implement them through newly expanded executive powers, whose details will be provided shortly.

He will argue for this imperial presidency on the basis of the ever increasing “crisis” that was exacerbated by his reckless spending in the first place.

Obama is the culmination and melding together of the Alinsky tactics with the Cloward/Piven strategem topped off with the sharp elbowed flavor of the Chicago Way.

Danger, Danger, Will robinson!

Archimedes on February 20, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Who really wrote the “compromise”?

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Harry and Nancy.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 2:57 PM

If Obama tries reconciliation:

Shut. down. the. Senate.

Make every syllable uttered require 60 votes to end debate. Amend every bill into oblivion.

This tyrannical behavior cannot be allowed to stand.

scotash on February 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM

DITTO!!!!!!!

sonnyspats1 on February 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Haunches,
The unions and lawyers!
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letget on February 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Why would Obama bet on red though? Blue yeah, but red?

Because he is a red. There’s a reason the lsm made republicans red and democrats blue. They wanted to avoid the obvious connection between their policies and marxism. iHe should also bet on red because his daddy (china) is very proud of that color. He is also “in the red”.

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Yup. Just as I thought.

On the one hand is Oobaka’s ‘plan’, that would doom the GOP if they signed on to it, thus probably ending the reconciliation route.

And on the other hand is ‘threat’ of reconciliation [and I'm still not completely convinced they can pull it off].

It’s the classic ‘half a loaf, or none at all‘ gambit, which the GOP of the past has accepted.

However, this time, I don’t think it’s going to work.

The public mood [via poll numbers], and the mood of GOP base say otherwise.

The ‘rats [and Oobaka] think think they can get the GOP to flinch.

We shall see about that.

CPT. Charles on February 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Obama on health-care summit: Let’s play nice or else I’ll nuke you with reconciliation;

The daily beatings will continue until morale improves and you learn to love me.

Speakup on February 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM

The unions and lawyers!

Yeah, but which ones. Head of SEIU–he is a frequent visitor, Rahm, Jarrett, Podesta? Who? You know he didn’t do shit.

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM

“We’ll do a relatively small bill to take care of what we’ve already done,” Reid said, affirming that Democrats would use the reconciliation process. “We’re going to have that done in the next 60 days.”

Self-immolation is indignant.

Schadenfreude on February 20, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I think someone should get a speaker and a copy of Lorrie Morgan’s song “What part of no don’t you understand” and run it continuously at the House/Senate office buildings.

Maybe some doofus would get the hint.

gophergirl on February 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM

“Send Lawyers, Guns, Money.”

Archimedes on February 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM

So how’s Evan “I hate the political climate in Washington” Bayh going to vote? Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Evan “Buh-Bayh” has nothing to lose now. He may have to hang with his good buddies. Inquiring minds can’t wait to see what he gets down the road for falling on his sword.
BTW-Hoosiers: check out RichardBehney.com for a true Conservative IN Senator, not a retread lobbyist.

indypat on February 20, 2010 at 3:06 PM

So how’s Evan “I hate the political climate in Washington” Bayh going to vote? Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

He says he’s “open” to reconciliation, as are other Dems. It would depend on whether he intends to challenge Obama in 2012 or he has other plans.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 3:10 PM

A momentous game of Flinch.

The GOP must not flinch!

Dhuka on February 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Because he is a red.
Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Oh… yeah… DUH…

Sorry!

Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

This just keeps getting better and better. How ’bout they promise to pass it 60 days after they close GITMO? Heh.

Hope FAIL
Change FAIL
Nuke FAIL
Obama FAIL

29Victor on February 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Evan “Buh-Bayh” has nothing to lose now. He may have to hang with his good buddies. Inquiring minds can’t wait to see what he gets down the road for falling on his sword.
BTW-Hoosiers: check out RichardBehney.com for a true Conservative IN Senator, not a retread lobbyist.

indypat on February 20, 2010 at 3:06 PM

He says he’s “open” to reconciliation, as are other Dems. It would depend on whether he intends to challenge Obama in 2012 or he has other plans.

Wethal on February 20, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Whatever happens will be the “true” Evan Bayh. Is he really the blue dog he claims to be, or is he the lib we’ve always known him to be. (I still think he’ll vote against it as part of a future Presidential run)

Skywise on February 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Haunches,
The auto, seiu (aka acorn), teachers, aarp, ama (the doctors who want this), the big banks getting bailouts, some on wall street, the list goes on and on. It seems that the ‘few’ are getting the biggest part of this not the normal taxpaying American.
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letget on February 20, 2010 at 3:15 PM

FROM POLITICO DAILY DIGEST:

BUT IT’S STILL A LONG-SHOT – TNR’s Cohn reports: ‘Is it really possible to pass the public option? That’s where I become skeptical. The theory behind this push is that getting 50 votes for a public option is possible because Reid had 58 votes for his bill before Senator Joe Lieberman demanded removal of the public option. But that was in December, before Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy’s old Senate seat and the Democrats went into their political tailspin. Since that time, Democrats–particularly more conservative ones–have gotten very skittish. At this point, it’s going to take a herculean effort by President Obama and the leadership to secure fifty votes even for a modest reconciliation bill, one that merely fixes some of the more egregious flaws in the bill the Senate finally passed. Adding a public option–something more conservative Democrats never liked in the first place–will make that task a lot harder.’

Dhuka on February 20, 2010 at 3:16 PM

some things can only be said through song.

ted c on February 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I researched the background of the doctors who went to Obama’s white coat photo op. They were all pubically funded doctors already, black, or had some sort of non-profit. I don’t buy that any present non-pubically funded real doctors want this at all. The AMA just like the ABA is like the NAACP–only for the liberals in their ranks. Most decent lawyers dropped their ABA memberships because it is essentially a lib pac.

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Sorry not goin to watch the liar in chief!

Now I’m no fan but it was kinda nice on Friday to:
er, ah, let me be clear, ah err, like I said, ah, like I’ve always said, er ah, turn on the TV and see a black man that was not Pinnochio!

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Enough of his threats and posturing . . . tell him to do it and let’s get this show on the road.

rplat on February 20, 2010 at 3:34 PM

They also do not mind the electoral backlash as there is plenty of room in the myriad new bureaucracies for an even better paid job with no accountability what so ever.
They give up dealing with pesky voters who threaten their job security for administrative position for life where they can rule by dictat.

The arguement coming from the White House to relyctant Dhim’s is, “you can lose and go homew in disgrace, or you can lose and be set for life!” Those of you who think they don’t have the stones to push this through have to ask yourself, which option looks more promising to you?

Archimedes on February 20, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Say it, Archimedes. You’re cooking, as usual.

tigerlily on February 20, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Epic fail – yet again.

Philly on February 20, 2010 at 3:51 PM

I missed it.

When did the President come out and champion the two Republican ideas that he said he agreed with? Where were those speeches given? What did he say to Nancy and Harry that persuaded them to adopt these ideas into the House or Senate versions of the bill?

Oh yeah, that’s right. They’re not there, because POTUS abdicated responsibility (voted “Present”) and just let Nancy and Harry and their teams craft the bills they wanted.

I had no idea that “chutzpah” and “bulls**t” meant the same thing to Democrats? Wow, ya learn somethin’ new ev’ry day.

PS – btw, Mr. Obama, California couldn’t “review” itself out of a paper bag. Get real. oh, and the biggest drivers of deficits are federal entitlement programs. Don’t try to blame it just on rising health care costs.

dissent555 on February 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM

The GOP ought to say: “We don’t negotiate with a gun held to our head. Take your ‘bi-partisan’ summit and shove it.”

But we all know they won’t.

Socratease on February 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM

I wonder if the Democrats will really do this. I have been hearing Reid say for months that they will pass this, yes they will, any day now, only a matter of time…..and yet there is no bill.

If they do this, I think people will throw them out of there. At least I hope they will.

Terrye on February 20, 2010 at 4:18 PM

The GOP ought to say: “We don’t negotiate with a gun held to our head. Take your ‘bi-partisan’ summit and shove it.”Socratease on February 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM

I like that a LOT. Can we blitz them with that message for the next 5 days via calls, visits, faxes and e-mails?

indypat on February 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM

The GOP ought to say: “We don’t negotiate with a gun held to our head TERRORISTS. Take your ‘bi-partisan’ summit and shove it.”Socratease on February 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM

Trouble is, the President still has to sign off on it, does he not?

So we would have to wait for a Republican president to undo it via reconciliation…..Unless the GOP really cleans house in November to get 2/3 in both chambers. (I doubt that’s even mathematically possible.)

Hawkins1701 on February 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM

The GOP can effectively block it by refusing to provide funds for it and the 100 bureaucracies that the Senate Obamacare bill calls for.

Same with the EPA and their plans to do “cap and tax” via fiat, they can direct that no funding for the EPA can be used for it.

wildcat84 on February 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM

He wants it his way and he wants only to be able to say he has GOP support. Let them do it on there own and let the chips fall where they may . Let the Dems own it . All of it.

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Gee I really hope they include that part where refusal to buy insurance is a felony. It’s good, sound policy that has overwhelming public support.

hisfrogness on February 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM

President “We Won” should not be allowed to use the words “Good Faith.”

Edouard on February 20, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Reid: We’ll pass a bill within 60 days

If you think we’re pissed now, Harry, just wait until day 61.

Rod on February 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM

The Reconciliation Process was enacted to address budgetary legislation.
So, apparently, the Democrat Party, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, plan on legislation that amends current Federal Healthcare Legislation in order to use “reconciliation” in the fashion it was intended to address budgetary legislation.
Needless to say, these people intend to twist the “reconciliation process” enough to apply to their desired legislation.
Any other application is illegal and unconstitutional. But, as we already know, illegal or unconstitutional doesn’t mean crap to these people.

Cybergeezer on February 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

by the way, Reid is full of it, this comment is as real as his announced deal in early December which only existed in the ny times headlines.

rob verdi on February 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM

“We’ll do a relatively small bill to take care of what we’ve already done,” Reid said, affirming that Democrats would use the reconciliation process. “We’re going to have that done in the next 60 days.”

Bring it Biatch!

conservnut on February 20, 2010 at 5:25 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM

They do not have the votes or they would just do it. Reid issues deadlines and they just keep going by. They were gonna have it done by Jan 19, then the state of the union, now sixty days.

Bozo and his clown posse lose more ground by the day. The GOP must flood the airwaves telling the Electorate they will not attend and why.

They must say we’re the party of “HELL NO!” and stick to their guns.

dogsoldier on February 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Let me ust say, f@#$ these a$$hats.

Midas on February 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM

The Dim’s rather transparent strategy is to force the Pubs into stonewalling the reconciliation process, which they think would then cement their marketing tactic of ‘the party of No’. They think Americans will be outraged at the spectacle of a frozen Congress throughout the year, which then will result in a stampede of Americans to the polls to vote out Republicans once and for all. Dear Democrats – an echo chamber is a dangerous place to be right now. You all have to go back to your districts eventually. Have you forgotten what happened when you had town hall meetings last year? Apparently, you have…

joejm65 on February 20, 2010 at 5:38 PM

I’m pretty sure that principled Dem from NE… Ben Nelson TRAITOR d NE will not vote for anything that makes others pay for abortions, he said so hisself!
Sarc/

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 6:05 PM

So this is like the mafia making an offer we can’t refuse?

[And please, I'm not really wanting to offend any mafioso out there by even daring to compare them to the progressive national socialist democrats, that's not my point]

Chip on February 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM

A head count by the Hill healthcare experts (FTA) reveals the number is somewhat more nuanced.

FIFY, AP
The article says “healthcare experts” estimate 8 to 12. You know what? I bet its more than 18. That would explain the bluster and bombast coming from Reid.

dogsoldier on February 20, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Another thought occurred to me. Is that 60 days at 3 work days per week, minus their breaks?

dogsoldier on February 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM

They can’t use reconciliation to force the takeover if we still consider ourselves a Constitutional republic.

SUMMARY OF THE BYRD RULE

Under the Byrd rule, the Senate is prohibited from considering extraneous matter as part of a reconciliation bill or resolution or conference report thereon. The definition of what constitutes “extraneous matter” is set forth in the Budget Act; however, the term remains subject to considerable interpretation by the presiding officer (who relies on the Senate Parliamentarian). The Byrd rule is enforced when a Senator raises a point of order during consideration of a reconciliation bill or conference report. If the point of order is sustained, the offending title, provision or amendment is deemed stricken unless its proponent can muster a 3/5 (60) Senate majority vote to waive the rule.

Subject matter – The Byrd rule may be invoked only against reconciliation bills, amendments thereto, and reconciliation conference reports.

Byrd rule tests – Section 313(b)(1) of the Congressional Budget Act sets forth six tests for matters to be considered extraneous under the Byrd rule. The criteria apply to provisions that:

* do not produce a change in outlays or revenues;

* produce changes in outlays or revenue which are merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;

* are outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;

* increase outlays or decrease revenue if the provision’s title, as a whole, fails to achieve the Senate reporting committee’s reconciliation instructions;

* increase net outlays or decrease revenue during a fiscal year after the years covered by the reconciliation bill unless the provision’s title, as a whole, remains budget neutral;

* contain recommendations regarding the OASDI (social security) trust funds.

Exceptions to the Byrd Rule – Section 313(b)(2) allows certain otherwise covered Senate-originated provisions to be excepted from the Byrd rule if the provisions are certified for exemption by the Senate Budget Committee chairman and ranking minority member, as well as the chairman and ranking minority member of the committee of jurisdiction. The permitted exceptions are:

* a provision that mitigates direct effects attributable to a second provision which changes outlays or revenue when the provisions together produce a net reduction in outlays;

* the provision will result in a substantial reduction in outlays or a substantial increase in revenues during fiscal years after the fiscal years covered by the reconciliation bill;

* the provision will likely reduce outlays or increase revenues based on actions that are not currently projected by CBO for scorekeeping purposes; or

* such provision will likely produce significant reduction in outlays or increase in revenues, but due to insufficient data such reduction or increase cannot be reliably estimated.

Effect of points of order – The effect of raising a point of order under the Byrd rule is to strike the offending extraneous provision. If a point of order against a conference report is sustained, the Senate may consider subsequent motions to dispose of that portion of the conference report not subject to the point of order.

Waivers – The Byrd rule is not self-enforcing. A point of order must be raised at the appropriate time to enforce it. The Byrd rule can only be waived by a 3/5 (60) majority vote of the Senate.

if they steamroll both the reconciliation process and the filibuster, to ram through an abortion that the country does not want, then that is a defacto coup de main and we all may as well pick up our guns and enforce our vision of America to overturn their coup.

elduende on February 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Any other application is illegal and unconstitutional. But, as we already know, illegal or unconstitutional doesn’t mean crap to these people.

Cybergeezer on February 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I don’t understand how they can do this by reconciliation. Won’t the GOP have objection on constitutional grounds? With public sentiment on their side, won’t they press the Dems into the corner–especially if the bill has mandates to buy insurance and/or publically-funded abortion?

Grace_is_sufficient on February 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM

The democrats are foolish if they think painting the Repubs as the party of no will work to their advantage.

I think most people will reward the party of NO more than they would approve a transparent attempt to ram this crap sandwich down the throat of the country in the continuing effort turn our Constitutional Republic into a national socialist democrat version of liberal fascism.

Dhuka on February 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM

if they steamroll both the reconciliation process and the filibuster, to ram through an abortion that the country does not want, then that is a defacto coup de main and we all may as well pick up our guns and enforce our vision of America to overturn their coup.

elduende on February 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

+1

bill30097 on February 20, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Obama on health-care summit: Let’s play nice or else I’ll nuke you with reconciliation

… and then voters will go nuclear on Dems. They thought the town halls last summer were a big stinkin’ deal.

bitsy on February 20, 2010 at 7:15 PM

if they steamroll both the reconciliation process and the filibuster, to ram through an abortion that the country does not want, then that is a defacto coup de main and we all may as well pick up our guns and enforce our vision of America to overturn their coup.
elduende on February 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Do the Dems really think that this won’t mean the end to their party?

Are they this delusional?

Do they really think that pushing their Way far off-the-charts leftist, Nationalizing Socialist agenda won’t eventually mean that their party will end up on the ash heap of history?

Chip on February 20, 2010 at 7:30 PM

They have nothing left to lose. They may as well hand over the keys to the Senate,House, and the White House. They’ll try to push their commie crap because they know they’re gone anyway….

adamsmith on February 20, 2010 at 7:33 PM

This type of act is as close to a treasonous one as you can get without actually overthrowing the government. If the people don’t want it. You don’t have the votes to pass it. You cannot find inside your own party enough support to move it. You cannot seriously think that threatening to literally “cheat” is the answer. Now some of you think it will destroy the democrats. Fifty years ago, for sure. Now there is enough welfare recipients, unions, government employees out there to make up a sizable portion of the public. Add to that number the vast number of “sheep” personalities, and they may very well survive this onslaught. There are a number of Republicans just as responsible for this madness (McCain, Snowe, Graham)so don’t look for their help either.

There are people out in America who will not stand for treason, in any form.

archer52 on February 20, 2010 at 7:39 PM

bill30097 on February 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Chip on February 20, 2010 at 7:30 PM

under normal circumstances I’d say they won’t do this but these are not “democrats” in either sense of the word.

If you look into the background and actions of much of the “democrat” Senate and House leadership you notice that the Congressional “Progressive” Caucus has decided to step on an accelerator and steer this already sinking ship into a massive iceberg on purpose.

These people, agitating for this, are Marxist inspired ideologues who don’t care about the consequences for their supposed party, nor the public, nor the Constitution and the Republic.

(and we need to be very clear eyed and sober about all the true implications of that)

elduende on February 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM

This type of act is as close to a treasonous one as you can get without actually overthrowing the government. If the people don’t want it. You don’t have the votes to pass it. You cannot find inside your own party enough support to move it. You cannot seriously think that threatening to literally “cheat” is the answer. Now some of you think it will destroy the democrats.

archer52 on February 20, 2010 at 7:39 PM

My point is that no matter what happens, they will eventually be destroyed if the keep on pushing the way that have.
It may be in the short term, or it may take a while, but it will happen, tyranny always fails, you can bank on it.

Chip on February 20, 2010 at 7:45 PM

They have nothing left to lose. They may as well hand over the keys to the Senate,House, and the White House. They’ll try to push their commie crap because they know they’re gone anyway….

adamsmith on February 20, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Exactly….either way, they will probably lose the house and 6+ in the Senate. Their thinking is, hell, if we are gonna lose anyway, might as well pass what we want to pass and hope for the best down the road.

tatersalad on February 20, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Have it done by … . Take 10.

davidk on February 20, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Will they, or won’t they? This entire issue has become sheer torture. The American people have spoken. They ignore us, yet continue to hold this over our heads as a threat. It’s sick, and disgusting. Are these the types of people we really want representing us, let alone running our government?

capejasmine on February 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM

We need a 5 miilion man march on DC. Surround the bastards in thier palyhouses and dont let them out for weeks. Fear is what these socialists need a great big dose of, that and IMPEACH the imposter in the Whitehouse

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

elduende on February 20, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Can’t slow Joe OBiden as President of the Senate overrule the Parlimentarian? Maybe thats why Pinnochio picked slow Joe he’ll do whatever the boss says and won’t even know what the hell he’s doin

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM

The democrat’s definition of bipartisanship is ‘playing ball’. Playing ball with the dems means the republicans bend over and get the bat shoved up their ass.

belad on February 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

There’s an old expression . . .

Intercourse you, nasty letter to follow.”

Trochilus on February 20, 2010 at 9:33 PM

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM

I don’t think that’s why he chose Biden (and given his druthers I don’t think he would have him on board anyway)

but they can just ignore Senate rules, traditions, and the parliamentarian (or intimidate him)and we can all be well on our way to a coup de main (they can then go ahead and collectivize the entire economy/society at that point, theres nothing to “stop” them)

and we’ll have ourselves a political crisis the likes of which this country hasn’t seen since South Carolina seceded from the union.

elduende on February 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Obamacare is a zombie bill. It will never ever die.

nyx on February 20, 2010 at 9:42 PM

We need a 5 miilion man march on DC.
dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Nancy will just turn off the traffic cams and the SRM will ignore us. Maybe D. Horowitz is right–we need to have “die ins”. All over DC. Shut down traffic everywhere.

txhsmom on February 20, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Obamacare is a zombie bill. It will never ever die.

nyx on February 20, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Exactly. And there are two of them.

Trochilus on February 20, 2010 at 9:53 PM

Remember all this folks because this year they will really turn up the promises, lies, anger, screaming, name calling, all to save their sorry back sides in the election that is coming. The panic is spreading in both parties because both are guilty as hell for the condition the congress has put the USA in pearl. The old guard is no longer comfy because they know we know and we are going to do something about it.

mixplix on February 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

mixplix on February 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

yep I’m for throwin all the dead weight out all the old panderers and go alongs to get alongs. McCain BBy I hope JD can do it we need new blood and the good old boys to be gone.
Dems especially but old pandering repubs also.

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 10:33 PM

mixplix on February 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM

They have a huge slush fund called stimulus that Pinnochio unleashed in Nevada someone needs to question if that is even a proper use of tarp or stimulus funds to pay off delinquent homeowners

dhunter on February 20, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Why would Obama bet on red though? Blue yeah, but red?

Because he is a red. There’s a reason the lsm made republicans red and democrats blue. They wanted to avoid the obvious connection between their policies and marxism. iHe should also bet on red because his daddy (china) is very proud of that color. He is also “in the red”.

Haunches on February 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I seem to recall that the VERY first time the red/blue state thing came out, the Republicans were BLUE and it was changed the next election cycle… Help, anyone??

Khun Joe on February 20, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Hey, Barry,

You’re almost half way through your administration, and you still haven’t achieved squat. Dude…sucks to be you.

Christien on February 20, 2010 at 10:50 PM

President Akbar Zeb has no need to add to his legacy

J_Crater on February 20, 2010 at 11:17 PM

DO. IT.
Let’s see how your citizenry reacts then. Let’s see how popular your Chicago thuggery is. Let’s see how the ’10 elections shake out and how easy it is for you to get your progressive agenda done, and we’ll see how quickly your beloved “Executive Orders” are turned around once your axx is handed to you in 2012.

Tell me…have you brushed up on impeachment proceedings lately? Unless I’m mistaken it takes a simple majority in the House to impeach. Of course, then the Senate needs 2/3 to convict so I doubt we’d get that – but one never knows. Think it can’t happen to you? Test it.

Yellowdog12 on February 20, 2010 at 11:20 PM

DO. IT.
Let’s see how your citizenry reacts then. Let’s see how popular your Chicago thuggery is. Let’s see how the ’10 elections shake out and how easy it is for you to get your progressive agenda done, and we’ll see how quickly your beloved “Executive Orders” are turned around once your axx is handed to you in 2012.

Tell me…have you brushed up on impeachment proceedings lately? Unless I’m mistaken it takes a simple majority in the House to impeach. Of course, then the Senate needs 2/3 to convict so I doubt we’d get that – but one never knows. Think it can’t happen to you? Test it.

Yellowdog12 on February 20, 2010 at 11:20 PM

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