New Dem idea: Hey, let’s use reconciliation to pass the public option

posted at 4:47 pm on February 16, 2010 by Allahpundit

Why stop there? If you’re going to nuke Scotty B’s veto with a baroque parliamentary procedure in order to pass an even more statist health-care plan than what’s currently on the table, why not go for the brass ring and pass full-blown single-payer?

Sens. Michael Bennet (Colo.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and Jeff Merkley (Ore.) signed a letter to Reid saying they support this plan for four reasons: the cost savings the public option is estimated to achieve, continued public support for the public option, the need for increased competition in the insurance market and the Senate’s history of using the reconciliation process for health care reform…

The letter points to the last CBS News/ New York Times poll that surveyed Americans on the public option, from Dec. 2009, which showed that 59 percent of Americans supported the public option…

The advocacy groups the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America, as well as Credo Action, the grassroots political arm of the for-profit company CREDO Mobile, are promoting the letter and calling on citizens to become signatories online.

“Every day, it becomes increasingly clear that the best way to ‘fix’ the original Senate bill is to pass the highly popular public option through reconciliation,” the groups said in a statement. “It’s the populist reform that the House will need in order to pass both bills together and the key change Democratic and Independent voters will need in order to believe in health care reform again and show up in 2010.”

Here’s the thing: As nutty as this sounds to fiscal conservatives, is it really that bad of an idea politically? The public option has polled consistently well, especially vis-a-vis the toxic numbers for the overall bill. That’s due to several factors — dumb poll questions, poor GOP messaging about the slippery slope of government-run health care, and the minor detail that most of the public doesn’t understand what the public option is — but that’s beside the point. Anything Democrats can say or do to get some political traction for passing a bill, they’ll say or do, and the public plan would certainly help bring House progressives around. It’ll also drive tea partiers berserk, of course, but tea partiers are already itching to toss the Dems out so that risk is priced in. Also, with Bayh gone and pundits now speculating about the GOP taking back the Senate, increasingly November looks like a doomsday scenario for Democrats — and if the asteroid’s about to hit, why not throw caution to the wind and pass the plan you really want? (Bennet’s already committed himself to political suicide in the name of the public option.) The nutroots would be thrilled too, needless to say, so that’ll help with turnout among the base. And you could even sell it, kinda sorta, as “starting over on the bill,” which will make the GOP go ballistic but oh well. Teeny tiny insignificant exit question: Er, can reconciliation be used to pass something like the public option? Hmmmmmm.


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Tyranny, thy name is Democrat.

search4truth on February 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Go for it!

It’ll all work out swell.

/heh im totally lying

blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 4:51 PM

If they want majority rules, then we’ll remove all of it when we get in.

WisCon on February 16, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Here’s the thing: As nutty as this sounds to fiscal conservatives, is it really that bad of an idea politically?

Yes.

You can’t say “I know nothing about America but despise what little I do know,” any better than by using reconciliation for a non-budget item that people have tried to kill for almost a year, now, and doing it to promote a marxist health insurance takeover byt he federal government that goes against every American tradition and sensibility there is.

If they even tried this, this nation would be explode.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Again Harry, why don’t you put a light coat of oil on that public option and stuff it. (you know where)

Claypigeon on February 16, 2010 at 4:52 PM

This is the most tone deaf group of “group thinkers” I have ever witnessed in my entire 40 yrs. of life.

JAM on February 16, 2010 at 4:52 PM

If public option can be passed via reconcilliation, then anything can. Then again, the commerce clause was never intended as a catch all provision that would cover anything govt wanted to do.

The one advantage is that anything passed by reconcilliation can be eliminated by reconcilliation.
Also, if it increases the budget, it expires automatically in 5 years.

MarkTheGreat on February 16, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Er, can reconciliation be used to pass something like the public option?

Sure why not. Polls aren’t perfect and it is a perfect opportunity to tick off the public as a whole.

Go for it!

upinak on February 16, 2010 at 4:53 PM

THe Republicans need to get out there and start explaining to people the dangers of the public option, and how it is just a trojan horse for total govt control.

MarkTheGreat on February 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Relentless. But I can see their logic. Why not? They’re going down in November anyway.

rrpjr on February 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM

I hate my Senator

KeepOhioRed on February 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM

What a great strategy….I bet Axelrod thought it up all by himself.

Why has ObamaCare support tanked? Because the citizenry read it, and doesn’t like it. So what does the Congress do?

“Hey, let’s pass it anyway…that’ll get us all re-elected.”

I fail to understand how forcing something nobody wants onto them can be interpreted as a way to win the public opinion.

Am I missing something?

BobMbx on February 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Global Warming also causes politicians to act like lemmings.

J_Crater on February 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Let’s just call it what it is………..

………the suicide option.

Go for it you wild and crazy Dem’s.

Knucklehead on February 16, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Wow – And I thought the Dems where to have genreational majorities in both houses. I guess thats not too important anymore. Just pass health care. It will be repealed after the election in November

EliTheBean on February 16, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Are we in 2009 again?

Repurblican on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

That’s the same kind of delusional thinking that Obama espoused when he claimed that he just didn’t explain things well enough to the American people.

kingsjester on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

If they thought the ire of the town halls was too much last August, just wait and see what happens if they try this.

Anyone remember that old video that made it on to YouTube? It was from news film of some years back that showed a bunch of senior citizens chasing a Congressman as he drove off.

INC on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Here’s the thing: As nutty as this sounds to fiscal conservatives, is it really that bad of an idea politically? The public option has polled consistently well…That’s due to several factors…and the minor detail that most of the public doesn’t understand what the public option is — but that’s beside the point.

Yes, and that’s exactly the point, it’s being sold through deception. It’s the wrong track.

Also, I’m sure if you polled whether people would accept a free unicorn, they might say yes too, but that doesn’t make it realistic.

CP on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

YGBSM
Is there a symbol for:
“You gotta be sh!ting me”?

Well, there oughta be.

TheSitRep on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Oh, go right ahead. Y’know, if you have no intention of following ANY rules, we’ll joyfully vote your willfully ignorant a$$e$ out of office.

ya2daup on February 16, 2010 at 4:58 PM

exit answer…i doubt you could get 51 votes for reconcilliation of the public option.

and let’s not forget the abortion kerfuffle. the House and Senate are light years apart on that minor detail.

DrW on February 16, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Here’s the thing: As nutty as this sounds to fiscal conservatives, is it really that bad of an idea politically? The public option has polled consistently well, especially vis-a-vis the toxic numbers for the overall bill.

The questions concerning the public option were usually pretty egregious: “Are you in favor of a public insurance option to compete with private insurance companies thereby reducing costs and increasing coverage along with providing a unicorn in every stable?”

forest on February 16, 2010 at 4:59 PM

LOL…they can’t even maneuver a regular bill through with a super majority, and we’re supposed to believe they can pull this off?

SouthernGent on February 16, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, this is a great idea. Let’s take the most toxic element of an increasingly unpopular bill and ram it down the public’s throats. Not to mention reconciliation isn’t supposed to be used for legislation like the public option.

If the Dems go forward with this, they must have some internal polling that tells them they’re destined to lose the House, Senate, and White House in the next 2 1/2 years. Or they’re aware of another bubble that’s about to burst(commercial real estate?) which will tank this economy even further.

Doughboy on February 16, 2010 at 4:59 PM

If they even tried this, this nation would be explode.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 4:52 PM

*shrug*

I’m honestly surprised it hasn’t already.

Midas on February 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM

51 to put in, 51 to toss in the dumpster.

El_Terrible on February 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM

It’s called “shoot the moon.”

Daggett on February 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM

It would definitely be a kamikaze mission.

kingsjester on February 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM

If they did try this, can they even get the votes for reconciliation?

deidre on February 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Go ahead, make Sarah’s day.

molonlabe28 on February 16, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Sure, go for it. I cannot wait to see the reaction of the American public and SCOTUS. People will be looking for any way to impeach the entire Congressional group that votes for this to be sure. The Hill will be better than the Octagon. I cannot wait to see the take down. Nancy Pelosi would have to do more than bring in Capitol Police and barricades and turning out lights.

Sultry Beauty on February 16, 2010 at 5:02 PM

They just don’t get it!

FireBlogger on February 16, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Just a few short years after they were ushered in, and one year into their total control, and in the face of public rejection they’re determined to go all scorched earth. Fantastic.

I hate these people.

capitalist piglet on February 16, 2010 at 5:03 PM

How’s this going to work out for that February 25th “summit” Barry plans on holding with the Republican’s?

Is that still on or will Barry be too busy campaigning?

Knucklehead on February 16, 2010 at 5:03 PM

I say, if the Dems want to commit political suicide by passing the health care public option with reconciliation, let them. There’s no way it could stand up to appeal at the SCotUS, and with most of the states saying they’re going to block participation in Federal Health Care, then there’s nothing really to lose, and it makes the Dems political poison.

In 2013, everything would get repealed, and we can get back to climbing out of the Debt Hole dug by Obama.

Nethicus on February 16, 2010 at 5:04 PM

This is why I fear the time between now and next January. If you know your job is toast and you have nothing to lose; why not? If they go this route our Republic is toast. Because the GOP will start saying “The Democrats did it to pass health care, so we can use it to pass ____” Congratulations, we now have a mobocracy which all the founding fathers warned us about.

txaggie on February 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Democrat socialists are like pedophiles. They never give up. They nudge, they cajole, they tempt, they lie, and when that doesn’t work, they will resort to rape.

Dhuka on February 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Won’t happen. BUT, let’s write down the names of Sherrod Brown, Gillibrand, Bennett, and Merkley and make sure they get their a$$es voted out of office.

Oink on February 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM

The parliamentarian can rule any provisions as “incidental” and remove it from the bill if he or she judges that its purpose is to write new policy not simply to alter the federal budget. “The ‘incidental’ test is a very difficult test because it is very subjective,” Dove said. “You are trying to judge peoples’ motives,” he said. The Senate can overturn the parliamentarian’s rulings with 60 votes — but if Democrats had 60 votes, they would not be using reconciliation. Dove also noted that Vice President Joe Biden, in his Constitutional role as President of the Senate, is the ultimate authority and could overrule the parliamentarian. He added, though, that “no vice president, frankly, since Nelson Rockefeller in 1975, has exercised that right.

Biden is stupid enough to do it. But the political takedown would be immeasurable.

Sultry Beauty on February 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM

I think they’ve already committed political suicide. The ones that are left are trying to commit political martyrdom, waiting for a crowd to gather before detonating the grenade.

BobMbx on February 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Let’s just call it what it is………..

………the suicide option.

Go for it you wild and crazy Dem’s.

Knucklehead on February 16, 2010 at 4:55 PM

The last fraction of Americans not identifying with tea partiers will go berserk and join the marchers in the street.

PattyJ on February 16, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I don’t believe the American people would stand for this. I believe that such a move would force the electorate into a corner for which electoral retribution would be only one option on the table, and recognized by a majority as one of the least effective options available.

IronDioPriest on February 16, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Marxist/socialist dirtbags.

rplat on February 16, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Repurblican on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

1994 :)

FontanaConservative on February 16, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Sleep on this:

The best thing that has happened to conservatism since Ronald Reagan is Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

Any port in a storm, but criminy….can’t we hail one of our own?

Sarah?

BobMbx on February 16, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Trotskyist scum.

daesleeper on February 16, 2010 at 5:11 PM

someone’s been getting advice from Hugo Chavez again, I see.

elduende on February 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Four kinds of elves

1) Santa’s
2) Keebler
3) Cobbler
4) Harry Reid

blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Reconciliation alone is perilous enough.

Trying to push the public option through that route opens a chance for the Republicans to slow down the entire movement of the Senate until January and/or pick apart the entire bill piece by piece until all that is there is a massive raise in taxes with none of the benefits that the Dems are hoping to get from this entire mess.

teke184 on February 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Sens. Michael Bennet (Colo.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and Jeff Merkley (Ore.) signed a letter to Reid saying they support this plan for four reasons: the cost savings the public option is estimated to achieve, continued public support for the public option, the need for increased competition in the insurance market and the Senate’s history of using the reconciliation process for health care reform…

Is there anything approaching sanity in the entirety of this statement (congress critters included).

Count to 10 on February 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM

When they write the history books, they will refer to this time as the Democrat Seppuku Period.

portlandon on February 16, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Why stop at Health care at all? forcing this takeover would in essence be a coup de main, they should just rule by fiat at that point and “transform” the rest of the economy and rewrite the social contract altogether.

elduende on February 16, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I wonder if it’s that sort of idea Birch’s son Evan had in mind when he suggested

the American people needed to deliver a “shock” to Congress by voting incumbents out in mass and replacing them with people interested in reforming the process and governing for the good of the people, rather than deep-pocketed special-interest groups.

Barnestormer on February 16, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Can Dingy Harry and Pinnochio find 51 Senators to bribe into going for this and if that moron OBiden can over rule the Parlimentarian hows’ come there is one.
An idiot over rules the overseer of the Senate rules?

Maybe theres’ enough cash left in the mostly unused stimukus bill to fund the lyin rats and to funnel money to their states for next falls blood letting.

Hang em! and their presstitute whores also!

dhunter on February 16, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Well …

The outrage if they do that is gonna hit them in a lot of ways.

First – this is TOO BIG of a program to use on reconciliation. If you can use reconciliation for this – then you can use reconciliation to overturn Social Security and Medicare, or any other program – and you can use it create any other program. Basically, it negates the filibuster entirely – it’s nuking the filibuster forever.

Second – yeah the PO may have polled “okay” … but it’s not going to stand up to the conservative talk show “gauntlett” that will be focused on it like a laser beam. The GOP messaging on this will focus on the PO and it’s numbers will go down. The Dems would do better to forget this.

Third – it’s going to cause more defections among the Blue Dogs.

Forth – there’s still the Abortion question – and now Uncle Sam will be directly providing the abortions, or the funding for abortions. I’m not so sure they’ll get the 51 votes they need if they include it – or if they exclude it. It’s a pretty hard stumbling block.

Fifth – it will explode the budget – it may even sink our ship here.

This is kind of like me begging my wife not to leave me – and then promising her that, if she stays … I’ll buy her a Ferrari.

She won’t drive the Ferrari very long before it’s repo’d and I think she’s smart enough to realize that.

HondaV65 on February 16, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Reconciliation can’t be used for passing the public option. Pundits writing that Democrats are considering reconciliation to pass the public option should be ridiculed and/or ignored.

LFRGary on February 16, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Four kinds of elves

1) Santa’s
2) Keebler
3) Cobbler
4) Harry Reid

blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Hahaha!

Thanks for that…you’ve made the drive home a pleasant one!

BobMbx on February 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Also, I’m sure if you polled whether people would accept a free unicorn, they might say yes too, but that doesn’t make it realistic.

CP on February 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Good point; let’s expand on your “free Unicorn” premise.

After the Unicorn arrives, you discover:
1. Unicorn food is ridiculously expensive
2. You need to completely re-do your yard, and fence it in, at enormous cost, to contain the Unicorn.
3. The government has recently enacted a slew of Unicorn related taxes.
4. Unicorn excrement is toxic; you now have a cleanup issue.

And, so it is with the much polled “public option;” most folks will sign up for free anything, but the costs always come later, frequently in unexpected ways.

massrighty on February 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Sure, go for it. I cannot wait to see the reaction of the American public and SCOTUS.

Sultry Beauty on February 16, 2010 at 5:02 PM

That was my thought. Also, regardless of what passes, I believe both bills have the manditory HI provision(??). How they can possibly think any of this is constitutional is beyond me!
I know, I know! Mr. Chewy keeps telling me they don’t give a flying fig. (‘Cept he doesn’t say fig.)

Chewy the Lab on February 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Someone behind the scenes is really pushing for this…

Soros?

“Politicians are expendable, but nothing will stop the destruction of America!”

Seven Percent Solution on February 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Tyranny, thy name is Democrat.
search4truth on February 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Democrat=Tyrant

Keep on pushing this and history will record this as the start of the convergence of the terms.

Colbyjack on February 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

If they do this, they’ll have broken every contract of representative government and have earned the name “tyrants.”

irishspy on February 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

The nuclear fall-out will be epic.

First, you have Republicans shutting down Washington. Some of them might be wishey-washey, but they’re not going to like being bypassed. Obama won’t be able to pass a toilet paper appropriation for the Department of the Interior.

Second, Democrats can kiss their majority good-bye. You can point to any New York Times poll you want showing support for an abstract public option, but that doesn’t mean Americans want Democrats ramming it down their throats to the extent that they’re even bypassing Congress.

The commercials will be epic, too.

amerpundit on February 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Oh sure, Dems. Go for it! Do it! It doesn’t matter if this will hurl a bunch of new taxes on the public. Those still lucky enough to have a job. Nevermind the fact that it will destroy the economy, and jobs. So what? Who cares? It isn’t about us. It’s about you, and your delusions of grandeur in thinking monuments, statues, and history books will praise your names, as doing the greatest thing for the country since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

Hey! While you’re at it….why not just shove crap and tax at us as well. That’ll really make you gods to us.

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd these people make me so damn angry!!!

capejasmine on February 16, 2010 at 5:24 PM

amerpundit on February 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Agree. If they try this, the Republicans will be in the majority for a long time to come. (And repeal all their socialist bills).

Christian Conservative on February 16, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Keep on pushing this and history will record this as the start of the convergence of the terms.

Colbyjack on February 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Tyranocrat

DemCong

etc.

BobMbx on February 16, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Again Harry, why don’t you put a light coat of oil on that public option and stuff it. (you know where)
Claypigeon on February 16, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Not really wanting to get into a big argument with you, but I am pretty sure it will take much more than just a light coating of oil to properly Rahm the Far-Left’s version of National Socialism.

Colbyjack on February 16, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Brown is absolutely moronic. The thing is, he doesn’t have to worry about re-election until 2012.

6 years is too long for the Senate. It should be 4 years at the most. Because if Brown had to worry about the election this year, maybe he wouldn’t be such a major douche.

Douche is my new favorite word for describing Democrats (aka Douchecrats).

MobileVideoEngineer on February 16, 2010 at 5:26 PM

I hate my Senator

KeepOhioRed on February 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Ditto. I hated him when he was my Congressman.

OhioCoastie on February 16, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Reid reminds me of C. Estes Kefauver, minus the charisma.

OmahaConservative on February 16, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Second, Democrats can kiss their majority good-bye. You can point to any New York Times poll you want showing support for an abstract public option, but that doesn’t mean Americans want Democrats ramming it down their throats to the extent that they’re even bypassing Congress.
The commercials will be epic, too.
amerpundit on February 16, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Democrats can kiss their party goodbye if they try this kind of maneuver.

Colbyjack on February 16, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Brown is absolutely moronic.
MobileVideoEngineer on February 16, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Why would you say this? What moronic thing has he done?

massrighty on February 16, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Oops – wrong Brown – I thought you were slamming the newly elected Republican Senator from MA.

massrighty on February 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Wow, it looks like crr6 was quite prescient about this whole thing:

We won! Kiss your freedoms goodbye cons! Bwhahahahaha!
crr6 on December 19, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Juno77 on February 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Why would you say this? What moronic thing has he done?

massrighty on February 16, 2010 at 5:29 PM

I’m talking about Sherrod Brown, my former Senator from Ohio.

I’ve written to him many times when I was still living in Ohio and he doesn’t care what the people of Ohio want.

MobileVideoEngineer on February 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Stinks of desperation.

They are watching AGW and Crap & Tax circling the bowl, so somebody dreams up this bullsh!t.

How will this be funded? Dollars to donuts, the Euro-style, back breaking VAT will pop back up.

This just never ends.

tru2tx on February 16, 2010 at 5:32 PM

I can’t wait for us to pass national school vouchers and right to work while getting rid of the public option in 3 years if they do this.

cpaulus on February 16, 2010 at 5:33 PM

This thing has had a thousand deaths and still isn’t dead.

Barry really can’t take NO for an answer, can he?

If I didn’t listen to my boss this many times, I’d be fired. He forgets that WE are his boss.

stenwin77 on February 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on February 16, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Exactly like the b!tch, Sen. Ma’am in CA who was my senator for thirteen years.

OmahaConservative on February 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM

the minor detail that most of the public doesn’t understand what the public option is

Elitist!

ernesto on February 16, 2010 at 5:36 PM

The political ads write themselves…

‘With the Public Option you get a brand new monthly envelope from the IRS… now when you get your paycheck, please sign it and put it in the envelope and mail it to the IRS… in return you will get a lovely card that says you are now fully enrolled in the Public Option, a voucher to see a doctor once a year, and 50 cents for your own spending money… you really didn’t need the rest, did you?’

ajacksonian on February 16, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Democrats can kiss their party goodbye if they try this kind of maneuver.

Colbyjack on February 16, 2010 at 5:28 PM

I don’t even think we can call them democrats anymore. They ran under the brand, but these people are socialists. Communists. Statists. Tyrranists. They used the party to get their foot in the door, and they are succeeding right now.

Maybe I’m paranoid, but I’m waiting for the boom to be lowered, when they announce they are legislating themselves life long appointments, and Obama is cornonated.

capejasmine on February 16, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Ah, Mr. Pundit, sir. You are very good. I’ve read your cometary through twice and I must admit, your arguments are compelling.

I find myself, in the spirit of bipartisanship, willing to set aside my partisan beliefs and accept your reasoning. It is, after all, a public option. What could be better than something public? After all, something private means something exclusive to some privileged group and we don’t want that, it wouldn’t be fair. Then too, it is optional so we would have a choice to keep what we have, those few of us who do have health insurance or choose an option.

I like it. You have my vote. Congress should press ahead and pass the public option via budget reconciliation since it will save us so much money in the long run, rescuing the nation from the mountain of debt run up by the failed policies of the previous administration.

Skandia Recluse on February 16, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Democrats are preparing their scorched earth policy as they prepare for surrender.

rukiddingme on February 16, 2010 at 5:39 PM

The only thing that would make this nation EXPLODE would be if the television standard were to change again, and free television were to be taxed to pay for the technological upgrades.

That aside, reconciliation would make the citizenry (those who actually pays attention to this sort of stuff) erupt into a furor not seen since WWII.

The Dems do that at their own peril, and they already know it.

itzWicks on February 16, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I effing dare them.

Onager on February 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Even at 51, this would be harder than you might think. Yes, the public option polled well, but corruption and back room deals certainly did not. Just frame it for what it is, make sure the folks know this “savings” is totally bull, and it will die.

JusDreamin on February 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Progressive Change Campaign Committee

The PCCC? Or the CCCP?

keep the change on February 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM

If they go this route our Republic is toast. Because the GOP will start saying “The Democrats did it to pass health care, so we can use it to pass ____”

Sadly, this sort of problem has already occurred. The tanoos that The Precedent and his Washington junta have broken in their insane year of power will leave a lasting impression that has weakened our federal institutions to the point of failure. The way they had the federal government turn and carry out a direct assault on the citizenry will never be forgotten, and the risk of it happening again is too great now. The dems and their Ineligible Idiot from Indonesia have broken our system. It’s just a matter of the actual collapse to come.

Congratulations, we now have a mobocracy which all the founding fathers warned us about.

txaggie on February 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM

‘Ochlocracy’ is the word you’re looking for. And we are already there. The fear of the mob is what even forced many on the right to launch savage attacks on anyone who wanted the issue legitimate issue of Constitutional eligibility and dual citizenship addressed. People are moved by threats of riots and violence and are happy to toss everything else away to avoid it. But, the joke’s on them, because those riots and violence are coming anyway. But … that is always what happens to appeasers.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Sorry if this has been pointed out but I doubt they have enough of their own side to get 51. But knock yourselves out Democrats.

Cindy Munford on February 16, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Well …

The outrage if they do that is gonna hit them in a lot of ways.

First – this is TOO BIG of a program to use on reconciliation. If you can use reconciliation for this – then you can use reconciliation to overturn Social Security and Medicare, or any other program – and you can use it create any other program. Basically, it negates the filibuster entirely – it’s nuking the filibuster forever.

Second – yeah the PO may have polled “okay” … but it’s not going to stand up to the conservative talk show “gauntlett” that will be focused on it like a laser beam. The GOP messaging on this will focus on the PO and it’s numbers will go down. The Dems would do better to forget this.

Third – it’s going to cause more defections among the Blue Dogs.

Forth – there’s still the Abortion question – and now Uncle Sam will be directly providing the abortions, or the funding for abortions. I’m not so sure they’ll get the 51 votes they need if they include it – or if they exclude it. It’s a pretty hard stumbling block.

Fifth – it will explode the budget – it may even sink our ship here.

This is kind of like me begging my wife not to leave me – and then promising her that, if she stays … I’ll buy her a Ferrari.

She won’t drive the Ferrari very long before it’s repo’d and I think she’s smart enough to realize that.

HondaV65 on February 16, 2010 at 5:17 PM

–Bush used reconciliation to pass three major tax bills and to adopt COBRA, which gives the unemployed an opportuniy to stay on their former employer’s health plans for eighteen months.

Jimbo3 on February 16, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Afterall, it’s not a message problem…it’s the process. Doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit.

Wyznowski on February 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

and the minor detail that most of the public doesn’t understand what the public option is

Everyone knows what the public option is. That’s pretty simple. What some people don’t understand are what consequences would follow the establishment of a federal government health insurance company, how this Fannie Med would not operate like any other company (if it did, why would it be needed?) and would, instead, siphon money from the federal government to compete unfairly, and how the federal regulators will force private insurers out of business leaving nothing but Fannie Med. But many who don’t understand these details still know that government programs never do anything but grow, and they always grow at the expense of everyone and everything … except for government apparatchiks.

Tea Partiers know that Fannie Med is totally un-Constitutional and an affront to America and the nature of our nation.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Good thing they are having that bi-partisan meeting later this month. I’m getting whiplash trying to keep up with the messages The Won is trying to send on a minute to minute basis.

Cindy Munford on February 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Also, if it increases the budget, it expires automatically in 5 years.

MarkTheGreat on February 16, 2010 at 4:53 PM

But they’ve carefully constructed the entire “plan” to start taking in money several years before it starts paying out. So in 5 years it would be looking very flush. Ten years down the row it would be a massive fiscal black hole, but such is the nature of the beast.

ProfessorMiao on February 16, 2010 at 5:58 PM

–Bush used reconciliation to pass three major tax bills and to adopt COBRA, which gives the unemployed an opportuniy to stay on their former employer’s health plans for eighteen months.

Jimbo3 on February 16, 2010 at 5:55 PM

–COBRA was adopted through reconciliation when Reagan was President. My mistake.

Jimbo3 on February 16, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Democrats are preparing their scorched earth policy as they prepare for surrender.

rukiddingme on February 16, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Think Saddam Hussein dumping 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lighting just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire, all as he was being allowed to retreat in one of the most humiliating defeats in all of human history. That is the template the dems are following.

Of course, The Precedent just wants to destroy this nation, striaght up, so this is all good to him. He doesn’t care what anyone does, so long as it causes chaos and harms America.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 6:00 PM

They just don’t get it!

FireBlogger on February 16, 2010 at 5:02 PM

They get it – I think they know exactly what they are doing, they just don’t care.

tommer74 on February 16, 2010 at 6:00 PM

The upcoming health care summit will be nothing more than an INFOMERCIAL
and less honest than one for rotisseries.

Dhuka on February 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM

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