How exactly did the U.S. catch the Taliban’s number two?

posted at 7:40 pm on February 16, 2010 by Allahpundit

I’ve been thinking about it since last night. How could Pakistani intel be pressured into rolling over on a guy this big? What could we have offered them — or threatened them with? One possibility is that we followed the Hitchens plan and threatened to bring Pakistan’s archenemy, India, into Afghanistan if they didn’t start playing ball. Another possibility, per CBS, is that we promised draconian cuts in military aid if they didn’t at least help us catch a few big fish.

Any other possibilities? A clue , maybe, from Time:

The commander’s arrest would mark a significant departure from Pakistan’s policy toward the Taliban. Usually, Islamabad officials deny to the Americans that they know where the top commanders are hiding while letting them move freely among the Pakistani cities of Quetta, Peshawar and Karachi as well as the country’s tribal areas, where the jihadi fighters launch their attacks and suicide bombings against U.S.-led forces inside neighboring Afghanistan. Pakistani officials privately say they regard the Taliban in Afghanistan as a strategic asset in their regional rivalry with India, which supports President Hamid Karzai in Kabul…

Some Taliban contacts suggest that Pakistan may have had no option but to cooperate this time, since the CIA may have tracked down Baradar in Karachi on its own and pressured Pakistani spy agency the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to help pick him up. A senior Pakistani official told TIME that the CIA “pinpointed the general area” and that Pakistani intelligence on the ground made the arrest in the night between Feb. 10 and 11. Baradar was arrested in the slum town of Baldia, just outside Karachi, which is teeming with migrant Afghans and Pashtuns. The Pakistani official insisted that “this shows that Washington and Islamabad’s priorities are starting to match up.” U.S. officials have complained that past efforts to tip off the ISI to the locations of Taliban commanders yielded no action. Until Baradar was seized, no significant Taliban fighter had been arrested in two years in Pakistan. “All of the major Taliban commanders are in Pakistan,” a source close to the Taliban told TIME – an allegation that Islamabad loudly and persistently denies.

Remember that Newsweek story back in December about how Obama was considering drone strikes on Taliban chieftains in Pakistani cities? What if, as Time claims, the CIA came to him with info that Baradar was in a certain area of Karachi — and was suspected of being in a certain building, perhaps? It’d be a huge risk for the U.S. to take a blind shot at someone in a Pakistani population center, but it’d be a huge risk for Pakistan’s government too. The popular backlash would be directed at the U.S. but Islamabad would bear the brunt of the outrage. Given how desperately U.S. intel wanted this guy, maybe The One finally called Pakistan’s bluff and told them that either ISI can go in there, quickly and quietly, and snatch Baradar or we can go in there with Predators and make a mess of the whole place. Presented with that choice, Zardari and Kiyani may have figured that placating Obama was worth it. The downside of this approach, conceivably, is that it might be a one-time thing rather than some sort of sustained sea change in Pakistani behavior. We’ll know soon enough: Karachi is reportedly teeming with Taliban filth, so if ISI is in this for the long haul, we should see some other major arrests soon. If we don’t, look for news on the wire about India somehow increasing its role, financially or otherwise, in Afghanistan. That’ll prove that Pakistan’s not doing enough to please the White House and that Obama’s had to call their bluff (again?).

Exit question: Are we 100 percent sure this grab was made in Karachi? Two Taliban sources tell Bill Roggio that Baradar was indeed captured — by U.S. troops in Helmand province as part of the Marja offensive. Whether that’s a Taliban lie aimed at making Baradar’s disappearance seem more glorious or whether U.S. intel is fibbing about having its eyes on Karachi to spook the other Taliban honchos there, I don’t know. It’s likely the former — in which case, the fact that the CIA was able to pinpoint this guy in a place as hostile as Taliban HQ is even more impressive than it first seemed.


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ALL HAIL DEAL LEADER FOR HIS COURAGEOUS MILITARY VICTORY

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angryed on February 16, 2010 at 7:43 PM

How exactly did the U.S. catch the Taliban’s number two?

Bush did it!

Liam on February 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM

India is a democracy, non-islamic, and has a very large, professional military.

Everything that I can see, tells me we’d be a million times better off allying with India over Pakistan.

Rebar on February 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM

Good for the CIA. I hope they continue to redeem themselves with things like this.

And RIP to the 8 officers who died in Dec.

blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM

How could Pakistani intel be pressured into rolling over on a guy this big?

Er … maybe the Taliban attacking the ISI with droves of suicide bombers and blowing the sh!t out of everything Pakistani they could find might have something to do with it.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 7:46 PM

ALL HAIL DEAL LEADER FOR HIS COURAGEOUS MILITARY VICTORY

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angryed

Your hatred has turned you into the very person you used to criticize leftists for being.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Bush did it!

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

I’d like to ask Allahpundit what he’s been smoking but,

in lieu of that,

just WTF makes you think that President Incompetence has any strategic interest – much less ability – in “scoring military points”?!

Giving him more credit than due….

Lockstein13 on February 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

no.

our intelligence officers did

blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM

“Air raidin’ villages ‘n killin’ civilians”

blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM

That’ll prove that Pakistan’s not doing enough to please the White House and that Obama’s had to call their bluff (again?).

LOL. The Precedent calling someone’s bluff? What are you smoking, man?

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 7:50 PM

I’ll hand it to the Big Man on this one. If they’re using some kabuki to get the bag guys to move a bit in Karachi/Ibad, cool. Each time they move, there’s a pair of eyes somewhere that picks it up.

Taliban/AQ pucker factor goin’ up a notch.

+1

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM

The Idiot in Chief paid somebody in Pakistan for the snatch, using his 797B slush fund. He did it to take the heat off backing away from his juvenile decicions about KSM and the Panty Bomber.

That’s how Chicago does business.

notagool on February 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM

bag=bad, duh

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM

However they did, and I am willing to give the CIA credit for now, I hope they keep it rolling up and down the chain of leaders.

bluemarlin on February 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

You can’t tell sarcasm when you see it, can you?

God, you’re a genius! Can I light candles to you, maybe sacrifice a small furry animal to you after midnight?

You are such a…nevermind. You prove your superiority more and more every time I encounter you.

Liam on February 16, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Your thinking is so..linear

Liam on February 16, 2010 at 7:55 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

No. Your Indonesian is looking forward to prosecuting any CIA personnel who have anything to do with this capture. You know, he thinks that blowing smoke in a terrorist’s face is a war crime.

Your Precedent’s only concern is that all terrorists in Afghanistan are mirandized, as he instructed not long long ago (as if Constitutional rights extend to enemies in foreign lands) and their American captors are hassled and eventually brought to trial for some ridiculous thing that you idiots decide is “torture”.

Everyone knows who your Precedent is (everyone but allah), but it is entertaining to see you try and portray him as a real fighter. That’s rich.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Or…

This could all be a propaganda hoax wrapped in a lie by the Obowma Administration to fool the American people carried by the main stream media.

… Just sayin’.

By the way, where are the daily ‘death reports’ that followed President Bush throughout the war in Iraq?

Seven Percent Solution on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

I’m pretty sure Obama was in DC when all this went down, jackass. Like everything else in his pathetic life, Obama is out there taking credit for other’s efforts without even acknowledging their work. Sorta like the way he keeps trashing the military while his fat-arsed wife shows up and pretends radical socialist street thugs respect the work of the uniformed services.

The real tragedy isn’t even jackasses like you defending the filthy lying coward in the White House. The real tragedy is that CIA operatives are doing good work only to be betrayed by people like Brennan in DC.

highhopes on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Your hatred has turned you into the very person you used to criticize leftists for being.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Used to? Honey, I will criticize leftist loons like you with my dying breath. Now don’t you have some homework to finish? The adults are in the middle of a conversation.

angryed on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Exit question: Are we 100 percent sure this grab was made in Karachi? Two Taliban sources tell Bill Roggio that Baradar was indeed captured — by U.S. troops in Helmand province as part of the Marja offensive.

The Taliban probably just want the troops to think that the big guy was in the thick of the battle instead of hiding like a rat in Karachi.

conservnut on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

The CIA should keep it secret how they did it and keep on doing it. That is if they did it.

fourdeucer on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Lockstein13 on February 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Your “smoking” line must have gotten stuck in mind. I didn’t mean to copy you – though obviously I agree 110%.

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 7:57 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Wrong

The CIA did It! In spite of Oboobi and the rest of his cronies in this administration…

SHARPTOOTH on February 16, 2010 at 7:57 PM

However they did, and I am willing to give the CIA credit for now, I hope they keep it rolling up and down the chain of leaders.

bluemarlin on February 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM

One in the plus column but still a large CIA debt for the way Plame and her crowd worked to take down a sitting US President while on the federal payroll.

highhopes on February 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Hey but wait a minute here. I was told by the likes of Grow crr6 Rywall that terrorism doesn’t exist. It was all made up by Bush to scare us into voting for him. So why is Mr. Obama in Afghanistan killing innocent non-terrorist brown people?

angryed on February 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM

neurosculptor on February 16, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Save it, Patriot. Finney there can’t see what’s in front of his/her/its face. A waste of time, like flushing a toilet when there’s nothing there to flush.

Liam on February 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Grow Flagellum swimmin’ upstream again I see.

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM

How could Pakistani intel be pressured into rolling over on a guy this big?

Actually…maybe Chicago “Thug” politics does have some value…

Chewy the Lab on February 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM

How could Pakistani intel be pressured into rolling over on a guy this big?

Who said they were pressured? I doubt that DC has the nut-squeezing horsepower to pinch these guys. There’s got to be something else in the mix.

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Exit question: Are we 100 percent sure this grab was made in Karachi?

Wait and see?

upinak on February 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM

this coulda been a lucky grab. Sometimes they turn up. It’s a “hey lookie here, look what we found.”

Direct Action–it gets sh!t done.

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Regardless how he was caught, being number two requires that he be water boarded in a toilet post haste.

TheSitRep on February 16, 2010 at 8:08 PM

We sent Hillary in, and we threatened to send her back if we didn’t start seeing some results. That’s what they call a Motivator.

Dr Evil on February 16, 2010 at 8:09 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Obama did what? Heard about it on CNN?

Ronnie on February 16, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Give Obama credit when credit is due…

Realist on February 16, 2010 at 8:09 PM

CIA is right on track. Keep up the good work.

Philly on February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM

I don’t care how that fud was caught. What I do care about is whether this is some ploy by PBHO to look fierce in the eyes of Americans after getting plowed over by KSM-trial backlash.

Bishop on February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM

The CIA did It! In spite of Oboobi and the rest of his cronies in this administration…

SHARPTOOTH on February 16, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Uh, no, the Pakistani Intelligence folks did this.

Why? jury is still out… but the CIA was second fiddle on this one IMO.

It could very well be all about the Benjamins… there is a lot of money at stake in this situation… and as someone pointed out earlier in the day, any time Pak needs cash? they grab an Al Q guy… get the cash, then go back to business as usual.

Romeo13 on February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Give Obama credit when credit is due…

Realist on February 16, 2010

For what? Saving or creating a million new terrorists?

Oh, right. War is only bad when a Republican is president.

chimney sweep on February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Give Obama credit when credit is due…

Realist on February 16, 2010 at 8:09 PM

No prob, soon as he does something worth crediting.

Liam on February 16, 2010 at 8:13 PM

I don’t care how that fud was caught. What I do care about is whether this is some ploy by PBHO to look fierce in the eyes of Americans after getting plowed over by KSM-trial backlash.

Bishop on February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM

My bet? Obama didn’t even know abou this until after it happened… but will try to take credit for it.

Romeo13 on February 16, 2010 at 8:13 PM

The military and the CIA will do the best they can in spite of Ob+ama and they deserve our unwavering support…unlike the democrats hoping for failure under Bush. Remeber the Seals and the pirates? O will just take credit.

Anybody else think using Pakistan means no Miranda and letting Pak use whatever techniques they deem necessary?

califdreamnred on February 16, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Sorry, but given Barry’s past track record, I doubt he’s got the stones to call anyone’s bluff.

GarandFan on February 16, 2010 at 8:16 PM

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

…with policies and strategy he inherited from the Bush administration.

Fins has had his a$$ handed to him so much here lately that he can’t even rattle off decent talking points anymore.

Baxter Greene on February 16, 2010 at 8:16 PM

How many civilians were killed in cold blood?

Kudos to the CIA.

SouthernGent on February 16, 2010 at 8:22 PM

any time Pak needs cash? they grab an Al Q guy… get the cash, then go back to business as usual.

Romeo13 on February 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Kind of like a “Catch and Release” fishing guide.

thomasaur on February 16, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Anybody else think using Pakistan means no Miranda and letting Pak use whatever techniques they deem necessary?

califdreamnred on February 16, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Of course, Barry has said the he will continue the Clinton policy of rendition. Afact the the left likes to leave out of their talking points. Either way, let the water sports begin on this guy, actually he will be a lucky man if that is all he receives.

bluemarlin on February 16, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Let me, um, be clear, I inherited this CIA paramilitary force from the previous administration.

Bush ackbar!

elduende on February 16, 2010 at 8:24 PM

How many civilians were killed in cold blood?

SouthernGent on February 16, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Enough to ‘justify’ abortion here in the US. A lib here tried that two weeks ago.

Liam on February 16, 2010 at 8:25 PM

I doubt Obama had anything to do with it. Give me an hour and I could write an innocuous sounding summary report that Obama would sign off on without thinking twice about it.

Obama hasn’t yet demonstrated the decision making or leadership that would be involved with this type of operation. It’s not his style. I would suspect this was developed and executed by the CIA and military assets with only minimal involvement of the White House. If Obama/Holder is going to make the claim that Holder made the decision to take KSM to trial in NYC, it would not be much of a stretch to believe the CIA did this on their own with only Obama’s distant agreement.

What’s with the misdirection and misinformation and who is spreading it? It almost sounds like something coming out of the White House for political reasons.

Skandia Recluse on February 16, 2010 at 8:26 PM

Pakistan: Wheres our money you kafirs?

USA : Its ready but we need something. man, give us something so we can justify all the money we have lined up for you

pakistan : OK, we have this one tali who needs some rest, needs medical attention , and has agreed to be captured

USA : Hey , we’ll take it. Nice doing business with you

Pakistan: Same here, plz come again

USA : Just keep reading those polls, when you see Hussain’s numbers taking a dive, call us. We’ll buy whatever you are selling

macncheez on February 16, 2010 at 8:27 PM

9/10ers crack me up. Loons.

Philly on February 16, 2010 at 8:28 PM

so if ISI is in this for the long haul, we should see some other major arrests soon. If we don’t, look for news on the wire about India somehow increasing its role, financially or otherwise, in Afghanistan. That’ll prove that Pakistan’s not doing enough to please the White House and that Obama’s had to call their bluff (again?).

This information came from Macncheez and goes right to the heart of what Allah is talking about.

Options were weighed …and…
India was packing…

We should take this victory with a grain of salt though.
The Pakistanis have given us big fish before (KSM for one) to appease the White House and get money.

They also have a similar record as Yemen when it comes to keeping jihadist behind bars…..major failure.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Is-the-neighbourhood-set-to-get-even-more-dangerous/articleshow/5541012.cms

Is India’s neighbourhood set to get even more dangerous?

1.

India fretted and fumed impotently, but found itself completely dealt out of the game by Pakistan and the UK leading the charge, letting Karzai announce that he was going to draw his brothers back into the tent, and requesting the Saudis to mediate a ‘reintegration and reconciliation’ with the Taliban.

This can’t help us with India,who is a major trading partner and one of the fastest growing economies in the world…
..also…
………….having the Saudis “reintegrate” is a joke.
There program has been shown to be nothing but a failure with many going to Yemen and working to launch attacks against the US.

2.

The Pakistani demand has been succinctly laid out by Munir Akram, one of its top diplomats: “Pakistan’s cooperation should be offered only in exchange for tangible and immediate US support for Pakistan’s national objectives: an end to Indian-Afghan interference in Baluchistan and FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas); a Kashmir solution; a military balance between Pakistan and India; parity with India on nuclear issues; transfer of equipment and technology for counter-terrorism ; unconditional defense and economic assistance; free trade access.”

Pakistan must have taken notes on how Russia schooled Mr. Hope and Change’s idea of “smart power” in getting us to scrap a major military installation in Poland that would have given us major intel on Russian activities for nothing in return.
“unconditional defense and economic assistance”……
…are you kidding me with this?????
Hope Mr.57 states and his foreign policy team brought plenty of KY for these supposed “negotiations”.


3.

For the moment, Pakistan has the upper hand, because both the UK and US need it more than ever. Pakistan is playing an adroit diplomatic game of chicken with the US – and winning. Islamabad may be hopelessly dependent on Washington’s

money, but that doesn’t stop it from refusing to give visas to US officials, refusing money that comes with ‘conditions’. Pakistan has made it clear it will not stop supporting the Afghan Taliban; there is absolutely no attempt to tackle al Qaida; and Mullah Omar’s Quetta Shura functions unimpeded. In short, it holds veto power over whether the Obama surge succeeds in Afghanistan. Washington, said an Indian official scornfully, is “kowtowing to Pakistan just like they did to China.”

It appears that Obama’s idea of “smart power” could be
summed up with a simple picture of a set of lips pressed firmly against a jihadist’s a$$.

Looks like policies that sell out our National Security and future for a few positive results now,all in the name of “political gain”.

Baxter Greene on February 16, 2010 at 2:03 AM

Baxter Greene on February 16, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Bush did it!

No, Obama did.

Grow Fins on February 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Dang! I keep forgetting. Bush does all the bad stuff; Obama does all the good stuff.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 16, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Dang! I keep forgetting. Bush does all the bad stuff; Obama does all the good stuff.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 16, 2010 at 8:28 PM

There’s a bus headed back to reeducation camp in an hour. Be on it comrade.//

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM

There’s a bus headed back to reeducation camp in an hour. Be on it comrade.//

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Duuuhhhhh…..OK. And kin I please have more of that whipping?

GoldenEagle4444 on February 16, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Duuuhhhhh…..OK. And kin I please have more of that whipping?

GoldenEagle4444 on February 16, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Nope, you get to hear The 0′s speeches on loop for the next 3 days, in slow motion…..

enjoy

ted c on February 16, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Thank you, Massa…Thank You!

GoldenEagle4444 on February 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM

The adults are in the middle of a conversation.

angryed on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

ALL HAIL DEAL LEADER FOR HIS COURAGEOUS MILITARY VICTORY

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angryed on February 16, 2010 at 7:43 PM

Adults?

rjl1999 on February 16, 2010 at 8:38 PM

so if ISI is in this for the long haul, we should see some other major arrests soon.

I hope so …this was a great catch but Pakistan’s history (along with the ISI) does not bode well for continued success:

Right at the Edge
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/magazine/07pakistan-t.html?_r=2&ref=world&pagewanted=print
By DEXTER FILKINS


Whenever I hear about Pakistan fighting the taliban I remember this quote: “I cannot lie to you,” Namdar said, smiling at last. “The [Pakistani] army comes in, and they fire at empty buildings. It is a drama — it is just to entertain….America’

And then the retired Pakistani official offered another explanation — one that he said could never be discussed in public. The reason the Pakistani security services support the Taliban, he said, is for money: after the 9/11 attacks, the Pakistani military concluded that keeping the Taliban alive was the surest way to win billions of dollars in aid that Pakistan needed to survive. The military’s complicated relationship with the Taliban is part of what the official called the Pakistani military’s “strategic games.” Like other Pakistanis, this former senior official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of what he was telling me.

“Pakistan is dependent on the American money that these games with the Taliban generate,” the official told me. “The Pakistani economy would collapse without it. This is how the game works.”

..When we got KSM…it was supposed to be a watershed moment in relations with the ISI and lead to Osama…that did not happen.

We continually get just enough from Pakistan to keep the money coming,but they fail to take care of the main problems of allowing safe haven,financing,and training for the Jihadist:

From Roggio:

The Long War Journal: Pakistan carefully advances in South Waziristan

Written by Bill Roggio on October 20, 2009 12:46 AM to The Long War Journal

Both Bahadar and Nazir sponsor al Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban, and Pakistani jihadi groups and host training camps for these Islamist terror groups. Powerful elements withing Pakistan’s military establishment view Nazir, Bahadar, the Haqqani family, and other groups as ‘good’ Taliban as they do not attack the state but focus their efforts on jihad in Afghanistan.

As long as they can keep some semblance of peace in their own country,they could care less about what the jihadist are doing in Afghanistan.


There is also much more that needs to be addressed that Pakistan is not willing to do like:

No military push against Taliban in 2010, says Pakistan

By Saeed Shah McClatchy Newspapers
posted January 21, 2010 at 11:16 pm EST
http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/print/content/view/print/275276

Islamabad —

Obama administration efforts to pacify Afghanistan suffered a major setback Thursday with the announcement in Pakistan that Pakistan’s military plans no new assault this year on Taliban sanctuaries near the Afghan border.

U.S. strategy in Afghanistan depends on shutting off Taliban havens in Pakistan, especially in the North Waziristan area, where leaders of the Haqqani network, which is considered the most dangerous insurgent group in Afghanistan, shelter.

“We are not going to conduct any major new operations against the militants over the next 12 months,” Abbas told the BBC. “The Pakistan army is overstretched, and it is not in a position to open any new fronts.”

Great catch but what about the big picture…..ridding Pakistan of the ability to train terrorist that will launch attacks against the US.

Baxter Greene on February 16, 2010 at 8:41 PM

How long before Biden claims the administration gets total credit for this, like Iraq?

capejasmine on February 16, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Exit question: Are we 100 percent sure this grab was made in Karachi? Two Taliban sources tell Bill Roggio that Baradar was indeed captured — by U.S. troops in Helmand province as part of the Marja offensive.

Roggio nailed this yesterday….
Where they caught this big fish causes big problems for the Pakistani government:


Mullah Baradar, the Afghan Taliban’s deputy commander, reported captured in Karachi

By Bill RoggioFebruary 15, 2010 11:38 AM

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/02/mullah_baradar_the_a.php#ixzz0fkm07hMf


Baradar’s arrest, if confirmed, creates problems for the Pakistani government. Numerous Pakistani government, military, and intelligence officials have repeatedly denied the existence of the Quetta Shura and have disputed claims that it had moved to Karachi.

But Baradar’s arrest in Karachi would provide the strongest evidence that the Quetta Shura is now in the Pakistani port city.

The Inter-Services Intelligence agency has long been accused of sheltering the Quetta Shura, as it views the Afghan Taliban as its greatest asset in regaining influence in Afghanistan. The terror group would also serve as strategic depth, or a reserve, against India and Indian influence inside Afghanistan.

….As Allah stated…Pakistan may have had it’s back against the wall in having to give him up…either way it’s great we got him.

But if it is not followed up with more leaders going down (that the ISI absolutely knows the where abouts of ),and a dismantleling of the financing and training of Jihadist…then it will be back to whack a mole and securing Afghanistan will be incredibly hard.

Obama is paying the Taliban hundereds of millions of dollars and promising intel,weapons,and a lot of political clout….I hope it works out better than the “smart power” failures of Iran,Israel/Palestine,Russia,and much of the rest of the world he was supposed to save.

Baxter Greene on February 16, 2010 at 8:50 PM

whats the difference? so #2 is caught, lawyered up and we’ll get nothing out of him becasue we wont pour water on his head

so now #3 becomes #2. big f@cking deal

its like the afgan obama photo op “surge” we tell them we’re coming, and they already know when we’re leaving. so why would they even stay and fight. they’ll just pull back and soon as pantywaste adhere’s to his july pullout, they’ll go back

BRILLIANT STRATEGERY!!! pathetic

sidewinder22 on February 16, 2010 at 9:10 PM

So…who has custody of the alleged gentleman? There seems the usual Muslim muddle of who and where he was taken. If the Paks have him they aren’t going to turn him over to America to be tortured are they?

Grow Fins…sorry I am so hateful to you. Did you love a Muslim once? Did he show you what Islam tastes like? Sorry for your loss oh staunch defender of Islam.

BL@KBIRD on February 16, 2010 at 9:16 PM

why the hell would would someone reference time and newsweek, the 2 most leftist magazines out there?

oh yeah, its allpundant – a big lib d-bag. i forgot

sidewinder22 on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Grow Fins

Perhaps a strongly worded letter to Ed or Allah will get your wish.

BL@KBIRD on February 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM

ZERO playing tough with Pockistan, not very likely. It was an accidental catch. Everybody makes mistakes.

tarpon on February 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Hmmm. Hanged if he does; hanged if he doesn’t. To be consistent, the AG has to read this guy his rights and give him a lawyer.

under on February 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM

How does all of this square with that foreign-policy expert Joe Biden’s claim that the Taliban are not a problem?

onlineanalyst on February 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Jamie M. Fly of the Foreign Policy Initiative offers congratulations, as well as some cautionary observations, about the capture of Banadar: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGYxNDllYmFjN2Q1MTcxOGVmZTRjYmEyZjY1NmFkYTI=

onlineanalyst on February 16, 2010 at 9:39 PM

India has just succesfully launched a nuclear capable submarine launched missile and also the Agni-III nuclear capable missile with a range of 1,800 miles. Within a year the range will be increased again.
If I were Pakistan I’d be sweating it out and be looking for friendlier relations with the west.

OxyCon on February 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM

I love how everybody on this website seems to forget that Obama campaigned on stepping up anti-terrorist efforts in Pakistan (a pledge for which he was criticized by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain).

Nonfactor on February 16, 2010 at 10:16 PM

fourdeucer on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM

True.
There is no point in letting the world or your enemy know how you tracked them down.
Once known it becomes useless.

DSchoen on February 16, 2010 at 10:29 PM

I hope they are using humane yet stressful interrogation techniques on him! And by humane, I mean the effective alternative to torture formerly known as waterboarding.

Maybe if we just rename waterboarding something nice, like . . . oh, I dunno, ‘reclining rainbow rehydration therapy’ or something . . . maybe the loony left and their panderers in congress would be OK with it. They seem to be OK with terrorism if they can call it ‘man caused disasters’ so that should work.

starboardhelm on February 16, 2010 at 11:02 PM

The ISI = The Taliban.

Now that we’ve captured this giant turd let’s quickly Mirandize him and get him into that new Illinois prison so that he can have 3 square meals a day, TV, access to US Con rights, heating/AC, etc.

My preference would be to torture him for all he knows– Edward I style– then execute him.

Dick Turpin on February 16, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Get some bad press,bomb a radar sight in Iraq.
Get some bad press,let the CIA catch a bad guy.
Any similarities?
Clenis all over again,but of course Bambi can’t win in 2012.

DDT on February 17, 2010 at 12:18 AM

My oh my, President Toonces caught a big Taliban fish. I don’t care how they get caught and by who, as long as they get caught. Nice job Toonces. Now finish the job and nab OBL and Mullah Omar before anymore of our soldiers get killed.

Old Fritz on February 17, 2010 at 12:21 AM

I love how everybody on this website seems to forget that Obama campaigned on stepping up anti-terrorist efforts in Pakistan (a pledge for which he was criticized by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain).

Nonfactor on February 16, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Yes, ObaMao’s method of “stepping up anti-terrorist efforts” is to throw lots of money at the problem in order to “educate” the people and bring them out of poverty. It’s sort of like spreading the wealth writ large as any “community organizer” sees the world.

onlineanalyst on February 17, 2010 at 12:55 AM

To trust Pakistan on anything is to trust the three-card Monte shark or the used-car salesman with the red face.

These guys have been double-dealing the entire world from day one. Remember A.Q. Khan? Does anyone believe that he operated unilaterally? It is entirely possible that Khan and his network are responsible for forwarding Iran’s nuclear knowhow by leaps and bounds, for a price.

We can ally with Pakistan in the short run against a common enemy, but it isn’t clear to this hillbilly that we truly have an enemy in common with the ISI and certain elements in Pakistan. The question that needs to be considered above all is: Who is truly running the show in Pakistan?

Is the formal government in charge? Is the military? Is it the ISI? Is it a hodge-podge that changes from day to day depending on who can extort the most with the least effort?

We need Pakistan to help us shut down the Taliban. But do we need them to the point that we shut our eyes to the fact that they are playing us like a fiddle and aiding the Taliban all the while?

I submit that if the Pakistani government and/or military cannot guarantee, and then back up that guarantee with action, that they will combat the Taliban tooth and nail, then we should commit to a policy of ignoring the porous, sometimes vague boundaries between the Afghan/Paki border; and operate under the assumption that we are on our own.

These guys would be formidable at a poker table or a chessboard.

Oh, I forgot. Ojesus has that humongous brain and all of that sophistication and sh!t. Never mind.

hillbillyjim on February 17, 2010 at 5:11 AM

Biden will explain how he caught this guy in about a month or you can wait for the Clooney/Damon movie later this year (before November elections)to see the real story! LOL

shov74 on February 17, 2010 at 5:33 AM

When will Obowma award Obowma the congressional medal of honor for this great military victory? He is, after all, the ONLY one he has been waiting for. He is soooo cool ice sticks to him.

dthorny on February 17, 2010 at 6:53 AM

How soon will the Pakistanis let him go?

albill on February 17, 2010 at 7:48 AM

I love how everybody on this website seems to forget that Obama campaigned on stepping up anti-terrorist efforts in Pakistan (a pledge for which he was criticized by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain).

Nonfactor on February 16, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Excuse me, but we read his words and watch the news around here. Mr. Obama campaigned on removing our troops from Afghanistan, because it was lost, in his opinion and that of the genius VP Biden, and forcing the CIA, through pure fricking magic (PFM) to target the Taliban wherever the CIA could find them, including inside Pakistan, a sovereign country which has not been declared an enemy, and yet we are bombing it weekly to eliminate Taliban and al Qaeda terrorists. This initiative was pondered by the Bush administration, and found to be untenable for that administration because the NY Times and liberal media leaked it’s plans to the world, and then Dhimmicrats in Congress raised Holy Hell over “Presidential directed assassinations” of these same terrorists as illegal attacks and violations of Pakistan’s sovereignty. They campaigned against the CIA interrogating anyone we caught, but somehow insisted, through PFM means, they find and target Taliban and al Qaeda and kill them wherever, or in whatever, sovereign country they existed.

Explain to me again how bombing Pakistan without regard to their sovereignty is fine if Obama does it, and evil if Bush does it, and back it up with action against those who outed our efforts in Congress, and used their liberal media mouthpieces to bash a policy under Bush which could have done the same thing that Obama is doing now, without the slightest peep of complaint from the NY Times.

I love how everybody on this website seems to forget that Obama campaigned on stepping up anti-terrorist efforts in Pakistan. I love how folks who think his Nibs is a demi-god can ignore how they and their peers obstructed progress in the War On Terror, and then blamed Bush for failure to end the war and find bin Ladin. FIFY.

If you aren’t part of the solution, nimrod, you are part of the problem. Dhimmicrats: Cowards of the first order, using GI blood to win political points, completely incapable of fighting terrorists unless their cheerleading section is completely onboard, and losers in the race for Integrity.

You can quote me if you wish.

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 17, 2010 at 9:18 AM

What if, as Time claims, the CIA came to him with info that Baradar was in a certain area of Karachi — and was suspected of being in a certain building, perhaps? It’d be a huge risk for the U.S. to take a blind shot at someone in a Pakistani population center, but it’d be a huge risk for Pakistan’s government too. The popular backlash would be directed at the U.S. but Islamabad would bear the brunt of the outrage. Given how desperately U.S. intel wanted this guy, maybe The One finally called Pakistan’s bluff and told them that either ISI can go in there, quickly and quietly, and snatch Baradar or we can go in there with Predators and make a mess of the whole place.

Given how Obama is so worried about the possibility that waterboarding KSM or trying him in Gitmo would incite terrorism, it’s doubtful that he would have risked a Predator strike in a major city in Pakistan, with many civilian deaths, which would be blamed on the USA because we are the only country with Predators.

The Pakistani government probably doesn’t mind Predator strikes on terrorist hideouts when they are isolated houses in Waziristan–there are few civilian deaths, the locals are probably glad to get rid of the terrorists anyway, and the US is doing all the dirty work. But perhaps the terrorists are deliberately hiding in cities, where they believe that they would be immune from Predator strikes due to backlash from high civilian casualties. If they fear being ratted out by Pakistani civilians, they may move back out into Waziristan, where they would become easier targets for Predator strikes.

IMHO the Pakistanis were probably led to arrest Baradar by “playing the India card”, the US threatening to aid India if Pakistan didn’t go after Taliban leaders.

Not a bad “strategery”, but did Obama really direct this strategy, or was this Hillary Clinton or somebody at the State Department borrowing a page from the Bush playbook? After all, Bush made a very highly publicized trip to India in 2008 promising economic and military cooperation with India, possibly laying the groundwork (behind the scenes) for pressuring the Pakistanis to go after the Taliban, or risk a worse confrontation with India. Also, Hillary Clinton was highly critical during the 2008 campaign of Obama’s threat to invade Pakistan to get Bin Laden, but as Secretary of State, she might be using India as a foil to blackmail or bluff the Pakistanis into going after Taliban leaders.

Steve Z on February 17, 2010 at 10:33 AM

I love how everybody on this website seems to forget that Obama campaigned on stepping up anti-terrorist efforts in Pakistan (a pledge for which he was criticized by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain).

Nonfactor on February 16, 2010 at 10:16 PM

That’s not quite what he said, but I think you and I both know that. He said he’d send in troops to Pakistan. That’s what they campaigned against.

strictnein on February 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM

This is rich. Allahpundit, who can’t figure out the Mount Vernon Statement, purports to analyze the covert operations leading to the capture of the Taliban’s number two guy. AND he’s relying on Time magazine, Newsweek, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and the Magic 8-Ball. OK, I made up the last two…

netherman79 on February 17, 2010 at 2:43 PM