Good news: GOP, conservative leaders, tea partiers all planning separate right-wing manifestos
posted at 8:55 pm on February 16, 2010 by Allahpundit
Actually, the GOP’s manifesto is a list of policies they plan to enact if they take back Congress, but close enough.
Senate Republicans will lay out a 10-point election year agenda this spring, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) suggested on Tuesday morning.
McCain said Republicans would craft a list of 10 legislative pledges which they would seek to enact within the first 60 days of taking back control of Congress, if they were to do so in this fall’s elections.
“We Republicans have to provide — and we will later this spring — a positive vision with what we want to do for the country,” McCain said during an interview on KFYI radio in Arizona.
The Arizona senator said that those 10 promises could include things such as a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, and absolute cuts in federal spending.
Let’s count up the documents in the works: (1) The GOP’s policy list; (2) tea partiers’ “Contract from America”; (3) the “Mount Vernon manifesto” being drafted by conservative leaders; (4) Boehner’s “Contract with America” redux; and (5) whatever it is that Michael Steele and the RNC are reportedly drafting. On top of that you’ve got (6) the 2008 Republican Party platform, which the RNC recently reaffirmed as an informal litmus test for prospective Republican candidates, and of course (7) influential freelance statements of principles like Glenn Beck’s 9-12 Project.
I understand the impetus behind all this — grassroots conservatives don’t trust the GOP and want to try to bind congressional leaders as best they can to core concerns — but you’re guaranteeing yourself the sort of disappointment that the left is now struggling with vis-a-vis the Blue Dogs. Progressives thought that 60 Democrats meant 60 liberals, or at least 50 liberals plus 10 weak-tea centrists who could be bullied, but of course it hasn’t played out that way. The balance of power is in the center, which is why people like Lieberman continue to be able to dictate terms to Harry Reid. When the GOP regains power (and even in 2012 or 2014, it’s unlikely to be with a 60-seat majority), they’ll face the same problem with Snowe and Collins and Scotty B. Point being, you’re going to have to water down conservative programs to keep moderates like them in the fold or draw off people like Ben Nelson, and watering down programs necessarily means compromising on core principles sometimes. Unless you think you can elect 60 hardcore Reagan Republicans — which, I hasten to add, even Reagan couldn’t do while the Reagan revolution was in full swing — you’re bound to see those principles betrayed. Which isn’t the end of the world: It helps to stick a firm stake in solid conservative ground so that the Republican chieftains who are leashed to it don’t stray too far. But they will stray, because they have to in order to pass legislation. We’re all on the same page about that, yes?
Exit question: What do you guys think about the proposed planks for the “Contract from America”? I like the term limits and sunset provisions, not so crazy about the kooky line that the tax code can’t be longer the Constitution.









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What, did the boss order you guys to ignore Paul Ryan’s Roadmap for America?
StevefromMKE on February 16, 2010 at 8:56 PM
I will personally strangle any conservative that splits up the GOP vote. For free.
Coronagold on February 16, 2010 at 8:58 PM
I may agree on the issues more with the tea party folks but will support the republicans over them if it means keeping pelosi and reid in power.
lavell12 on February 16, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Less talky talky. More walky walky.
OhioCoastie on February 16, 2010 at 8:59 PM
This is the problem with conservatives… too much half-arsed efforts, too little muscle behind any one of them… the same thing happened to health care… this is a huge problem…
ninjapirate on February 16, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Good luck getting porkmeisters like Cochran of Alabama and Shelby of Mississippi signing onto that.
Wethal on February 16, 2010 at 9:02 PM
I’d settle for no single bill being longer than the Constitution.
Pipe dream, I know.
Russ on February 16, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Ummm. I know the point you’re trying to make, but don’t you think it’s a little early to be placing Brown in that company? Give him a chance, yeah?
Weight of Glory on February 16, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Democrats and liberals eat this kind of division up. All of us – conservatives, Republicans, Tea Partiers, moderates – need to focus on the common things that bring us together, and not point fingers of blame at one another. Pragmatism and conservatism can exist together to a certain point – and until the threat of a swing to statism is severely diminished, we’re not at that point yet.
Having several different “manifestos” unnecessarily muddies the waters. And each faction is going to pout if it doesn’t get its way. Quite frankly, we can’t afford to let our voices get fractured.
Wellsy on February 16, 2010 at 9:04 PM
‘Right-wing’ manifestos already exist. They’re called the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence. All of this ‘Contract with’ crap has to end. Focus on the great guidelines that we already have instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
joejm65 on February 16, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Where is Gingrich when you need him? He’s good at making lists. Better yet, Letterman. Plus more cowbell.
GnuBreed on February 16, 2010 at 9:04 PM
What do I like?
Well I know I don’t like term limits. OK, actually it depends on what term limits means. (Sounding like Bill Clinton?) If you think about it term limits are already within our power — we just don’t exercise it. I am for limiting some of these insane life-time politicians like Kennedy, Byrd, etc. But if it is too short, I worry. There needs to be some working memory in Congress to lead others on how to get things done. I am also afraid of people coming in and going nuclear. We have the most leverage the way it is currently set up.
PrincipledPilgrim on February 16, 2010 at 9:05 PM
With respect, no…
This past year has been disastrous and it is only going to get worse if people like John McCain are voted back in to “work” with his “friends” across the isle.
If my history is right, it took our Founding Fathers a fortnight or two to come to an agreement on the wording of a document or two.
… Put all the ideas on the table, and let’s hash them out. By Summer time, we should have a base to work from, then finance the politicians individually, and not the parties as a whole.
Seven Percent Solution on February 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM
As long as the Tea Party remains out of the reach of media’s ability, (or lack of), to define this phenomenon, it will benefit fiscal conservatives dedicated to reducing the mammoth size of our government.
The rest of the “definers” can just keep guessing—right up to November.
Rovin on February 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Really, the conservative platform need only consist of four planks:
1) Cut spending.
2) Cut taxes.
3) Kill terrorists.
4) Protect the innocent.
A fifth could be added, a la FrankJ:
5) Punch the hippies.
I’d be good with that one.
Russ on February 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM
It’s time to drop the nonsense and come together on fiscal sanity, strong defense (which includes a serious border and visa policy), fidelity to the Constitution, and last, but not least, smaller and less intrusive government.
hillbillyjim on February 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM
I couldn’t disagree with a single one. Not one. I especially like the fourth one:
Requiring each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.
kurtzz3 on February 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM
There goes the GOP again, pretending they have leadership qualities.
These putz’s in DC need to STFU and STFD, and let the people lead. They need their platform to be what we tell them it’s gonna be.
IronDioPriest on February 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM
LOL @ headline.
Might as well get it all out there now and start weeding through the crap to find some consensus between the factions.
Good Lt on February 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM
O/T
BP, ConocoPhillips and Caterpillar are quitting the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, a group that has been instrumental in building support in Washington for capping U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases.
DerKrieger on February 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM
+100
That is what I meant to say only you said it much better. I think we get into trouble when we start being reactionary. Our Founders put much thought into the form that they set up, and I think we need to tread lightly in changing it.
PrincipledPilgrim on February 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Somebody has to step up and actually be a leader. Someone that conservatives can get behind and support, who has an idea about what average Americans want, but that also understands what it takes to get things done through legislation. Oh, and someone who won’t let the Republicans slip into mediocrity, or get drunk on power and do stupid things.
And not a rock star empty suit either.
Am I asking for too much?
kam582 on February 16, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Mr. Beck:
You will never guess what I heard on the Jon-David Wells program on my drive home today. J.D. played a clip from an interview you conducted in February 2009 with the Jersey Girls. It was very interesting. It was amazing to hear you say the same things that Debra Medina said to you last week! That’s right, you were saying what she said to you last week! It begs the question why have you now changed your tune? Further why have you taken to slandering Debra Medina because of what she said on your radio show? You espoused the exact same concerns she did?
Why Glenn? Why are you such a staunch supporter of Sarah Palin who is campaigning in Texas for the corrupt RINO Rick Perry? Why did you slander Ms. Medina after saying the same things she said on your show? I think you need to beg Ms. Medina to come back on your show, and you have a lot of explaining to do to her.
paulsur on February 16, 2010 at 9:09 PM
I think the tagline you were searching for was “clarity.”
notropis on February 16, 2010 at 9:10 PM
Repeal unnecessary and unconstitutional federal programs, not just enacting even more “conservative” programs.
The Dean on February 16, 2010 at 9:10 PM
Yeah, great strategy: Divide and Don’t Conquer.
missl on February 16, 2010 at 9:10 PM
AP, got it– I thought the same thing. BTW, Sean Hannity has a new book coming out “Conservative Victory” outlining several principles.
Back in the day, “Common Sense” by Paine led the way. With this snowstorm of stuff, something has to be exceptional to float to the top of the pack. Moreover, it has to be beautifully simple.
“A” for effort for all these people. Now whittle all these 1,000 bright ideas down to three and go from there.
Starting points.
ted c on February 16, 2010 at 9:11 PM
I didn’t get that either. I guess the reasoning is that if a whole country can be founded on x number of words then no law should ever have to exceed that. Anymore than that is just room for pork stuffing.
I can see no reason why the tax law couldn’t fit on a single sheet of paper when it comes to individuals and families. How complicated does it have to be to be fair?
The bulk of it would take up exactly 1 line.
1. Everybody pays X% in Federal Taxes.
Guardian on February 16, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Let’s start a “Hot Air Manifesto”. I’ll start it off:
1. End all poverty immigration, legal and illegal
2. End dual citizenship and force those who have it to choose one and swear off all other allegiances.
3. The federal government will usurp no more powers of the states and will reverse those programs which it has already usurped in defiance of the Tenth Amendment, and it will do so in a timely matter.
Buddahpundit on February 16, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Russ,
I know this might cost a few votes, but I’d like to run every environmental lobbyist out of DC, and drill baby drill!
Rovin on February 16, 2010 at 9:13 PM
If the GOP had any brains, any brains at all, they would embrace the tea partiers and either adopt their contract, or adopt the 95% of it they agree with.
JustTruth101 on February 16, 2010 at 9:13 PM
Everybody wants their document to be “historic,” and I can understand that. I’m just wary of the sectarianism and parochial power struggles that might obscure the broad agreement everyone shares on the important issues.
Repurblican on February 16, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Uh, manner.
Buddahpundit on February 16, 2010 at 9:14 PM
and a free Humpbot for everyone~! Catch a rainbow yo!
ted c on February 16, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Why are you writing to Glenn Beck via a thread at Hot Air?
Type it on a piece of paper, stuff it in a bottle, and toss it into the ocean. Assuming you’re some place on the East Coast south of New York, he’s sure to get it.
Either that, or try reverse polarization on the tinfoil on your windows. It will turn them from shields into transmitters. Then tap out the message in Morse Code on the window frame with a tablespoon.
notropis on February 16, 2010 at 9:15 PM
The Committee of Five was established by the Continental Congress on June 11. The Committee presented the Draft to Congress on June 28.
The Constitution took about a year to ratify.
Holger on February 16, 2010 at 9:15 PM
I don’t know how all this is going to shake out in 2010 and 2012, but I’m not looking for a 60 seat Republican majority to come in and begin the process to abolish the Department of Education in one fell swoop. All I want is a pivot point upon a clear conservative ideology that begins to move in a direction and upon a platform that is both practical and consistent with that ideology. The pace that that movement travels at is where all the “moderate vs. conservative” debate can take place. A truly conservative ideology, which limits the reach of the Federal Government, will allow each state to tackle their own issues at their own paces in their own ways; allowing for a far truer manifestation of bipartisanship and moderate-ism. We can, as a party and movement, control the direction, even if we can’t control the pace.
Weight of Glory on February 16, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Russ on February 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM
yeah, simple. So it can fit on my hand.
ted c on February 16, 2010 at 9:15 PM
The Holy Trinity?
SouthernGent on February 16, 2010 at 9:16 PM
The issue is will we allow the LEFT, to frame the debate, or by putting out these docs, will it engender real Debate?
Just one phrase, from the Mt. Vernon group, resonated with me… and its the term Constitutional Conservative.
Not Social Con… not even Fiscal Con… Not Libertarian… but I do believe the Founders ORIGIONALY had about the correct balance of Freedom vs. Government.
NONE of these docs are END positions… but like the Federalist papers, they will open up Debate…
So I see all of these as GOOD things.
Romeo13 on February 16, 2010 at 9:16 PM
here’s my manifesto
Mo’ Government, Mo’ Problems
blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 9:16 PM
To be sure, I’d have to look at them all again but off hand I like the crux of each of them. With some revision and refinement plus better wording I think they would make a dandy contract.
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 9:17 PM
Because I have nothing better to do?
paulsur on February 16, 2010 at 9:17 PM
I disagree, I think that all these efforts are very good for the party. At the end of the day, they will all say the exact same things. A They will all have a thing or two extra and a thing or two missing from other proposals.
The core of every last one of them will be constitutional governance, smaller government, reduced or no deficit spending with hopeful option for reduction of debt, a continued reduction of the welfare state.
What other things might they stand for? How about energy productivity, fewer regulations, more freedom, lower taxes or better designed taxes, the privatization of Social Security and Medicare.
I for one want to know what a person soliciting my vote stands for, and having that person persuade me that he is a great guy is not going to wash, I want specifics of his core beliefs for a long term goal as well as his initial direction once elected. Short of gaining my trust, I will not vote for the person, even if that means a progressive liberal democrat takes the seat, at least I have turned my back on my values in order to only have half as much of my freedom stolen from me by a supposed ally.
astonerii on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.
Is there a mantra that sums it all up better than this?
Good Lt on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM
No no no no no. The strength of the tea party is in its anonymity, its formlessness. If the GOP had any brains, they’d take the lessons from the tea party, develop a platform upon it, and then win. Harnessing the tea party is like harnessing lightning, it’ll shock the hell out you and make you sh!t your pants, but a millisecond later the energy will be gone. It’s an energy source, it’s not a surfboard.
ted c on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM
It’s fine that the tea party peeps and others want to come up with their own “manifestos”, but it’s the GOP that counts. Although I think it’s a big mistake to do this. It’s fine to set goals and have a plan, but don’t make some manifesto out of it a la “Contract with America”.
JetBoy on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM
Dear John McCain,
Please retire.
Thank You.
RealMc on February 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM
echooooooo chamber
blatantblue on February 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Touche’
notropis on February 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM
“far. But they will stray, because they have to in order to pass legislation. We’re all on the same page about that, yes?”
not exactly…………….
We would be a lot better off if they would (1) peg SS and Medicare to longevity, (2) overrule the rescinding of the Bush tax cuts, and
(3) NEVER AGAIN PASS ANOTHER LAW.
notagool on February 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Oh, I just remembered, the bullet item on education was bad. We should totally ban the Feds from education.
That said, I know it won’t happen all immediately, so I’m willing to compromise in having it done in one year. :-)
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM
This is the strongest defense… The GOP had better get their act together instead of thinking the US’s presence everywhere but the actual US boarder (including incoming flights) is the solution to defending our country.
MeatHeadinCA on February 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM
I totally disagree that Lieberman represents the center.
Look at what McCain is saying: balanced budget amendment and cut spending. That’s the new center. Lieberman’s constituency groups – unions, government workers, social welfare recipients, trial lawyers – will not let him agree to cut spending. He is not the center. Because Obama and co. (and yes, George Bush) have so screwed up the economy, the center has moved rightward.
chris999 on February 16, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Is there a mantra that sums it all up better than this?
[Good Lt on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM]
I like it a lot. Did you just make that up?
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM
This is all good, lets hear everyone’s ideas and work from there. Before people were complaining about a lack of a message and then when people start putting ideas forth eyeore here bitches about that.
echosyst on February 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM
This is all good, lets hear everyone’s ideas and work from there. Before people were complaining about a lack of a message and then when people start putting ideas forth eyeore here b*tches about that.
echosyst on February 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM
It looks like a horse designed by a bureaucratic committee and I don’t think it will even fit on Shaquille O’Neal’s hand. If they must come up with a list, can’t they come up with something short and snappy?
MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Conservatives should think realistic…
There should be a list of 5-7 things… memory studies show that if you want lists to stick then you keep it to around 7 units long… every item should be targeted towards a certain group…
ninjapirate on February 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM
It’s still early, I’d just chill about it. The mid terms aren’t for another 8 months. There’s a good chance that something will rise to the top.
I’m betting it will be the GOP list of Ten things. And I tell you the Balanced Budget Amendment and Term limits should be at the top of the list.
And hey Hot Airians, what’s wrong with a shopper having options? Let’s just look at it like it’s the equivalent of a Conservative Supercenter with a bunch of choices at the checkout register….
<>
“should I buy this one?”
“mmmm, that one looks good”
“what are the dems offering? oh, that crap, no don’t want that”
“what’s that over here? Woooo, we like that one”.
Let’s give the voter options, and let THEM decide.
PappyD61 on February 16, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Point of oprder — Yje Newt Gingrich contract with America was no where on the list of things that won in 1994. Having been a major player in the Defoley-ate campaign, I can tell you it was the AW ban not the who knew contract with America that won back the House in 1994.
You need to start with the right premise before you can work from there.
And personally, I have no interest in McCain’s RINOs 10 point plan for anything. Before long McCain will be trying to tell us he wasn’t for AMNESTY either … Oh wait, he said that today. Lairs aren’t very reliable.
How about the RINOs sign on to principles and values.
tarpon on February 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Alinsky—use their own rule books against them.
*bet on it*
Once MSNBC gets a hold of these, it’ll be 7 mos of talking points. This is good and worthy effort, but it needs to be translated into victory.
Generals don’t have 20 plans. They start with 3, and then choose one. We can’t be going 20 different ways.
ted c on February 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM
EXCELLENT……BUMPER STICKER IDEA OF THE DECADE!!!!
Someone please forward this to Cafe Press, asap.
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.
Is there a mantra that sums it all up better than this?
Good Lt on February 16, 2010 at 9:18 PM
PappyD61 on February 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM
I really like the proposals in the Contract From America. That line about the tax code, I think was more of one of those “spirit” things.
The tax code is too long. It gives too much power to our politicians. It needs to be simple, short and fair.
p0s3r on February 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Heard it from Dennis Prager.
Not sure if he made that up or if he got it somewhere.
Good bumper sticker.
Better than that insufferable, banal “COEXIST” nonsense.
Good Lt on February 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Let me pee on the parade by saying a balanced budget amendment is a mistake, even with a 2/3 requirement for tax increases. It’s not just that the amendment won’t happen. It’s that modest deficit spending is sometimes OK. It’s that if you use static revenue analysis for tax cuts, you won’t have them, because SRA says that tax cuts lose revenue.
I could go on, but I won’t.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on February 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Roses are Red
Violates are Blue
Obama and his gang of suffocating morons and psychopaths must go
Don’t you think so too?
MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM
I actually think that it is too soon to trot out this ploy so soon after 1994. Especially if everyone is going to have something. Laura Ingraham has something she’s asking politicians to sign onto. Too much, I will ignore all of them.
Cindy Munford on February 16, 2010 at 9:28 PM
ViolatesViolets are BlueFreudian slip.
MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:29 PM
How about this one for the 2010 elections……
Obamacare 2015….
DEATH PANELS FOR ALL….
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Doctors+back+right/2568891/story.html
PappyD61 on February 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Er… Shelby is from Alabama. We here is Mississippi have the other spendbag Thad, I need $950K for an outdoor trail, Cochran and a Republican named Roger Wicker.
Since McCain once said he did not give a damn what the people thought; I do not give a damn what the man says. If his lips are moving he is lying in my book. I do not care what manifesto he signs.
Tea party people can do whatever and hold folks accountable, but I second the sentiment that the GOP is in reality the only “party” which matters. From my experience, tea party people in my neck of the woods are about state and local issues, and finding solid Constitution believing candidates. I am not seeing the tea party people operating in the terms of being a political party with a manifesto.
If DeMint is part of what is going down in VA, I am all for it.
freeus on February 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM
Cheshire Cat on February 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM
Nope. That’s about it. Just have to convince the GOP that they can’t make a “better” bigger government that also makes a bigger citizen.”
Weight of Glory on February 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Obamacare: enthusiastically approved by 9 out of 10 morticians.
MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM
The GOP should offer two manifestos, one right wing, and one extreme right wing.
Then say, “choose”.
OldEnglish on February 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM
I would have agreed with you 10 years ago or so, but now we are borrowing money we will never be able to pay back and debt service costs are going to eat us up. The balanced budget amendment is a necessity now. Borrowing has to stop, and the American people have got to decide: do they want more government (which must be paid for), or do they want to keep more of their own money. That debate has to take place now.
chris999 on February 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM
Come and get me, fat boy.
2Brave2Bscared on February 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM
[Cheshire Cat on February 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM]
That’s why I think the most important plank is term limits. Even twelve years each, or thereabouts, give them way too much time for the bonding impulse to take effect but term limits will help minimize the damages.
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM
A “manifesto” we can all support: The Bill of Federalism.
It’s got it all.
Best of all, we don’t need any help from the turds in DC to get it moving.
More here.
OhioCoastie on February 16, 2010 at 9:42 PM
The Tea Party ideas, in general, are too scattershot. They strike me as a mixed bag of specific ideas and principles without a rigorous enough underlying set of principles. Among other flaws, nobody will agree with all and few with most of the ideas. Some are too restrictive to be meaningfully implemented. Many have little chance of being implemented.
I would rather see a list of directional themes supported by few tangible recommendations.
For example:
Theme – restrict the growth of government. Example – require a 60% majority to add new federal programs.
Theme – discourage professional politicians. Example – implement term limits.
Theme – strictly adhere to the Constitution. Example – each new bill should cite the authorizing constitutional clause(s).
Theme – support free enterprise. Example – eliminate corporate taxes and capital gains taxes.
notagool on February 16, 2010 at 9:43 PM
If they were required to live in army barracks and eat army food we wouldn’t have to worry much about many of them staying to long.
MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:43 PM
Instead of Term Limits, how about this.
A Set length of time Congress can be in session per year, say 1 month every season (Fall, Winter, Spring and Summer) except for emergency sessions or extreme times such as war.
Set length of time that Senators and Representatives must spend in their home state or district every year, say 1 month per season.
This would limit the damage Congress can do far more than term limits.
Holger on February 16, 2010 at 9:45 PM
I agree wholeheartedly.
Keep it simple, and don’t overreach. We need to stop the madness that is currently going on in DC first and foremost. Then we can hash out the details.
Remember, these guys are still trying to find a way to foist Hellcare on us; even after the upbraiding in VA and NJ, and the smack in the back of the head in MA.
Before we get ahead of ourselves, we need to do well in November in order to put an end to the leftist steamroller once and for all.
hillbillyjim on February 16, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM
You make a good point. Twelve years is more than enough for the house. If they’re the next Henry Clay they can move on to the senate.
What you don’t want is hacks like Waxman, Frank and CBCers who get sent back term after term and then end up as committee chairmen (Rangel, Conyers).
chris999 on February 16, 2010 at 9:48 PM
That would probably work very well … … except for Barney Frank.
Jeckle on February 16, 2010 at 9:50 PM
Wonderful, count on the GOP and conservatives to screw this up.
The contract with America was released just a couple of months before the election.
Don’t release this now, how stupid are these people?
In 1994 it was a surprise, now there will be no surprise, just fighting the last war.
The list on Daily Caller is very unimpressive.
Soros/Obama are feeling better all the time.
r keller on February 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM
Then we’re all donefer – because the “center” will not phase out Social Security, Medicare, or other entitlement programs that are strangling our system. The Soviet Union fell after about 70 years of it’s socialist experiment. We’re on the same track to do exactly the same thing with the “New Deal”.
There’s a lot of us out here who aren’t interested in electing people who just work around the fringes without solving the basic problems. So if you ask me to vote for a RINO who is simply going to reach accross the isle to expand government with the Democrats whenever it suits them – no thanks.
If we don’t address the problem – we’re going to fail as a nation. If we elect centrists who nibble at the symptoms – we will make this nation last long enough for it to collapse on our kids and grandkids.
No thanks – if it’s going to collapse – I’d rather deal with it myself now than have my kids have to deal with it in the future. We made the mess – we need to suffer the consequences.
HondaV65 on February 16, 2010 at 9:53 PM
If they were required to live in army barracks and eat army food we wouldn’t have to worry much about many of them staying to long.
[MB4 on February 16, 2010 at 9:43 PM]
That was exactly the scenario that went through my mind and why I noted term limits wouldn’t prevent the bonding. But you’re right that most couldn’t hack the military process that achieves it.
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 9:53 PM
I think it’s great that groups are not waiting around for the GOP to decide what’s important. Let us all put some ideas out there and see what sticks.
roux on February 16, 2010 at 9:53 PM
No.
That’s how politics work in normal times: normally. If 2012 is “normal,” then, yes, John McCain and Joe Lieberman might as well be running the country from where they are today. In an epochal election, the center moves, struggling to catch up with and avoid being destroyed by the most dynamic forces, wherever they are located.
The Dems had a chance in the wake of Obamamania and the financial crisis. They completely blew it for a bunch of interrelated reasons. The odds are that the Rs, left to their own devices would do the same thing again. The difference would be if our economic and political position in the world, rather than having recovered, appears to be slipping away – or worse. Otherwise, whether it’s Ø or anyone else, R or D, the progressive neo-liberal state as we know it will be re-elected anyway.
CK MacLeod on February 16, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Is there any chance a Democrat can win the Senate Seat in Arizona?
Dr Evil on February 16, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Damn – that’s good … and I agree!
HondaV65 on February 16, 2010 at 9:58 PM
And BINGO was his Name, O.
RealMc on February 16, 2010 at 9:59 PM
I think it appears to be a sad lack of imagination. I agree, they are on a roll, stick to basics and run interference so they don’t have to spend most of 2011 undoing what the Left muscles through.
Cindy Munford on February 16, 2010 at 10:00 PM
No. They’ve been passing laws for 225+ years — all the best ones were taken long ago. To pass laws for the sake of passing laws, at this point, is to guarantee an ever-expanding pile of legislative garbage.
cthulhu on February 16, 2010 at 10:01 PM
A republican (sorta) won in MA………
Alice in Wonderland the movie is coming out……….
We are in BIZZARO world folks………
GIRD YOUR LOINS.
RealMc on February 16, 2010 at 10:01 PM
[Holger on February 16, 2010 at 9:45 PM]
I don’t know. It seems that would put them give them an upper hand in arguments. They’d say it hampers their ability to get things done when we want things done.
I prefer a different approach. Eliminate all perks, particularly pensions, for elected officials and pay them a set amount no matter how long they stay in session and cut them a check only when the session ends for the year.
Dusty on February 16, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Didn’t read all the posts, so apologize if this reiterates what’s already been said:
I loved watching “my girl” Sarah on O’Reilly, and I think she did just dandy. But, here’s the big BUT:
It’s not a blast at Sarah, but each and every conservative that gets interviewed in the press.
They ACCEPT the premise that their opinion is the minority opinion.
If they would first refute this and then–substantively–argue why…UBER game change!
Chewy the Lab on February 16, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Hell no. Government is the purpose, not some sideshow to the main business of getting elected. We don’t need to organize around electing people who WILL NOT do the right thing. We had enough of this disgusting drift to the center in 2005. Remember that? 59 votes in the Senate, a majority of the House, the Presidency, a comfy Supreme Court–and what got done? We were told that was the best we could expect, too.
Figure what we want the law to be,
Elect people who will enact it,
Hold them accountable.
Reform, not Maintain!
Chris_Balsz on February 16, 2010 at 10:05 PM
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