Report: Obama considering indefinite detention of terrorists without trial
posted at 9:11 pm on February 15, 2010 by Allahpundit
This makes two posts in a row where old news, for whatever reason, has suddenly become new news. Remember when the New York Times reported on this, er, last May? Remember when, later that same day, The One got freaked out by all the heat he was taking from Dick Cheney and decided to give a speech at the National Archives in front of the Constitution — which included this little nugget near the end?
We’re going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who’ve received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States.
Let me repeat: I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people. Al Qaeda terrorists and their affiliates are at war with the United States, and those that we capture — like other prisoners of war — must be prevented from attacking us again. Having said that, we must recognize that these detention policies cannot be unbounded. They can’t be based simply on what I or the executive branch decide alone. That’s why my administration has begun to reshape the standards that apply to ensure that they are in line with the rule of law. We must have clear, defensible, and lawful standards for those who fall into this category. We must have fair procedures so that we don’t make mistakes. We must have a thorough process of periodic review, so that any prolonged detention is carefully evaluated and justified.
He promised to work with Congress to develop an “appropriate legal regime”; then, the next month, he started drafting an executive order that would let him hold detainees indefinitely. Now, it seems, we’re back to the congressional approach:
The White House is considering endorsing a law that would allow the indefinite detention of some alleged terrorists without trial as part of efforts to break a logjam with Congress over President Barack Obama’s plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday…
Civil liberties advocates and many who back Obama’s effort to close Guantanamo have opposed a preventive detention law as a departure from the tradition of prosecuting and punishing individuals for specific crimes. Some critics have also expressed worries that such a law would be hard to limit and could be extended well beyond Al Qaeda operatives.
Asked why the administration had become more open to a detention statute, Graham cited recent court rulings and comments by several federal judges who said the legal standards for detaining enemy prisoners are too vague…
“I’m sure that that’s what Sen. Graham thinks [but] I don’t have any reason to think the administration has changed its view on this. The president was quite clear he does not want to legislate a system of preventative detention,” said Elisa Massimino of Human Rights First. “In both private conversations and in public, the attorney general and other people in the administration said they’re committed to driving the people detained without charge to zero. I think that would be inconsistent with a pledge to do that.”
Yes, well, according to the NYT, these days the attorney general is increasingly consulting with the White House’s political team. Don’t be surprised to find tomorrow that the idea of releasing hardboiled jihadis into Afghanistan because there’s not enough evidence to prosecute them is quite a bit more nuanced for Eric Holder than it used to be. Exit question via David Frum: Why does Dick Cheney continue to attack Obama instead of pointing out that, in some respects on terrorism, The One is actually out-Bushing Bush? No wonder the White House wants to tangle with Cheney. The more they squabble with him, the easier it is to convince their base that they’re actually high-minded civil libertarians who would never do anything as nefarious and neocon-ish as, er, detaining people indefinitely without trial.










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The Left will be crushed.
portlandon on February 15, 2010 at 9:13 PM
lib heads exploding in 5…4…3…2…
cmsinaz on February 15, 2010 at 9:15 PM
I blame Bush.
Red Cloud on February 15, 2010 at 9:15 PM
The White House ought not to tangle with Cheney, who can rub their noses in it at any time.
GaltBlvnAtty on February 15, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Which means that is exactly what he is going to do…
Enter Executive Orders, stage left.
… By the way, what does one wear to a ‘re-education camp’ these days, an Obama T-shirt?
Seven Percent Solution on February 15, 2010 at 9:17 PM
You’ve been DICKED!!!
lavell12 on February 15, 2010 at 9:17 PM
winner!
cmsinaz on February 15, 2010 at 9:18 PM
Oh boy what a relief…
I thought the headline was about Obama’s new policies towards the Tea Parties!
katy on February 15, 2010 at 9:19 PM
love it
cmsinaz on February 15, 2010 at 9:19 PM
The “Left” doesn’t care about this anymore.
The detainees aren’t “terrorists”, and even “suspects” is a stretch given some of what’s been found in Guantanamo.
The Dean on February 15, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Word from the left….War? What war? Huh, bad guys? Terrorists? Whatcha mean?
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 9:21 PM
I had forgotten about David Frum…
d1carter on February 15, 2010 at 9:21 PM
All hail President Pantload Expiration Date!!!
BigWyo on February 15, 2010 at 9:21 PM
Can’t we just execute these terrorists than have nothing to worry about?
lavell12 on February 15, 2010 at 9:21 PM
NYT: Taliban’s top leader, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, has been captured by American and Pakistani intelligence services.
amerpundit on February 15, 2010 at 9:22 PM
weebles wobble but they won’t fall down…
cmsinaz on February 15, 2010 at 9:23 PM
quick, get the comfy chair. and some milk.
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Was he mirandized? Given a public defender or one of Eric Holders finest?
katy on February 15, 2010 at 9:25 PM
He’s just molting his skin out of necessity to change his image a bit.
Nothing has changed.
Itchee Dryback on February 15, 2010 at 9:27 PM
You have the right to remain silent,
Anything you do or say can be used against you in a court of law…
You have a right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, one will be appointed to represent you…..
portlandon on February 15, 2010 at 9:28 PM
I notice a whole lot of these things have a ‘considering’ or an ‘is open to’…’hasn’t ruled out’….’mulling over’….
Not a whole lot of ‘decides’ or ‘enacts’ or ‘is firm on’….
BigWyo on February 15, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Mainstream media attempting to draw distinctions between Obama’s “new” policy and Bush’s “old” policy begins in 3… 2… 1….
IronDioPriest on February 15, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Circle the square and indict yourself for war crimes Mr. B. Hussein Obama!
daesleeper on February 15, 2010 at 9:28 PM
This is an unwinnable fight for O’Bozo.
His best argument is that, as AP puts it — he thinks he can OutBush Cheney. But his base hates Bush and Cheney and there are only about a million video clips of O’Bozo declaring Bush and Cheney to be anti-constitutional War Criminals, or something. So he’s only making the left look stupid and weak as his adopts the Bush-Cheney position on terrorists that he literally ran for office condemning
On the right…never mind. The right quite correctly sees O’Bozo as a Hyde Park pansy and maybe a closet Marxist, and he couldn’t change that if he was filmed beheading Osama Bin Laden on the steps of the Capitol.
Independents? Heh. They are basically all former Republican conservatives, apparently. The Democrats are not likely to persuade independents that they are serious about anything but taxing and spending.
Jaibones on February 15, 2010 at 9:29 PM
HABEAS CORPUS! HABEAS CORPUS!
Moonbat mode off.
BDavis on February 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/31/unreal-u-s-trades-top-iranian-backed-iraqi-terrorist-for-british-hostage/
His group has already taken another hostage (was that last week or the week before?)
I know he wasn’t at Gitmo but doesn’t this go against Obama’s
pledge? or do soldiers and security personnel in Iraq not count?
journeyintothewhirlwind on February 15, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Rachael Maddow on Obama.
daesleeper on February 15, 2010 at 9:33 PM
No, this is winnable for him. He needs to do what is moral, right and proper for the protection of the American people. If/when all the other political answers fail, then protecting the people is always the right answer. He can win on that one, and that is where he should focus on winning.
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 9:34 PM
NYT: The Taliban military chief has been interrogated, apparently without legal representation.
By the way, a round of applause for our CIA operatives is due.
amerpundit on February 15, 2010 at 9:34 PM
I’m guessing thats the story of Barry’s life. Just vote “present” and then wiggle in the direction of the blowing wind.
Itchee Dryback on February 15, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Obama’s list of terrorists to detain without trial:
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Woo, unnamed CIA operatives./
Buy Danish on February 15, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Consequence: No Speedo trial for the underwear bomber.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on February 15, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Sometimes my commander-in-chief confuses me with his logic. Bless his heart.
Rightwingguy on February 15, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Anyone else see the irony that everytime that Obama’s security policies are questioned he claims they are doing what Bush did?
lavell12 on February 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Well this is on par with Obama choosing plastic over paper at the grocery store to the Left.
David2.0 on February 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM
It was the “let me repeat” preface , when I hear that my brain says : “Here comes another lie”.
It is my inherent self – preservation that stops the programmed…..The woods at night are dark and deep, but I have promises to keep……..and miles to go before I sleep.
KZnextzone on February 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM
“Can I eat my waffles for crying out loud…!”
Hog Wild on February 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM
OMG! Decisions are above Obama’s paygrade…
TN Mom on February 15, 2010 at 9:41 PM
He is lyin
He doesn’t mean a word of it
macncheez on February 15, 2010 at 9:41 PM
I watched this whole clip. Surprisingly lucid and sharply critical of the 0ne’s detention policies and ad hoc legal plan for incarceration.
Maddow. +1
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 9:43 PM
Mr. Cheney’s goal is to push the Obama administration to adopt the policy he thinks is correct. He probably thought that President Bush was not tough enough in his efforts against the terrorists. Every time he gets President Obama to adopt a tougher policy than President Bush, and publicly defend that policy, it is an advance for Mr. Cheney’s preferred policy.
President Obama’s campaign statements work against him in fighting Mr. Cheney’s criticisms. President Obama must act tougher than President Bush in order to counter the criticism that he is soft on terrorists. Mr. Cheney counts on that, and therefore continues with the criticism.
The longer-term payoff is that the next time a Republican is President, he can respond to Democratic criticism with a shrug of the shoulders and the statement, “I’m just continuing the policies I inherited from my Democratic predecessor.”
dirc on February 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM
DUH! I wondered when he’d start thinking rationally about terrorism. Too bad the left will crucify him for thinking.
I don’t think it will matter much politically for him. Soetoro needs to just go get those crutches now … lame. His own party and the American people have had it with him forever — even if he gave each American a $500,000 bailout.
Ricohoc on February 15, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Define “terrorists”…
SouthernGent on February 15, 2010 at 9:48 PM
But..but..I thought we elected Obama because he was anti-Bush?
Indefinite detentions? This is what Bush said at the end of 2001 before Gitmo was built and the activist organizations began their rant about human rights. Is that crickets I hear?
Electrongod on February 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM
If you can stomach going on the lefty forums, the head-exploding that’s going on over this is hilarious.
Dark-Star on February 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Not to re-education camp, but to your own funeral. There are rules don’t cha know…
Hog Wild on February 15, 2010 at 9:50 PM
Do tell. Have they any good things to say about Obama?
Electrongod on February 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM
How ironic that the more things Bush did that were good the more Obama claims credit for them
How pathetic
Defector01 on February 15, 2010 at 9:54 PM
well, grab some of it and post it here if its worth a laugh or give us a linky por favor.
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 9:56 PM
Not unless you count the completely brainwashed Obamabots. Equations to BusHitler are rampant, as are correct observations that their golden boy has sold them all up the river.
Dark-Star on February 15, 2010 at 9:56 PM
Don’t get too excited.
I think he’s referring to those other terrorists. You know, the pro-lifers, vets, libertarians and anyone with a “Don’t Tread on Me” bumper sticker.
JellyToast on February 15, 2010 at 9:58 PM
When Bush came to office, he said that America has very few options left. Obama campaigned on all sorts of new options for America and once he was Prez, he started his new direction for America (apology tour, etc.). But The One now sees that this isn’t working and has to admit that being Prez is not easy as it had looked from the outside. Obama has to become something that he is not and never dreamed of, but in the end, he will be the greatest one-term Prez; Bush-lite.
Electrongod on February 15, 2010 at 9:59 PM
ObamaBush is my Homeboy?TN Mom on February 15, 2010 at 10:01 PM
I’ll do my best. Here’s a good one for a start:
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/authors-bush-torture-memos-cleared-misconduct/
The first comment string from the top runs almost the whole gamut of lefty outrage on this subject:
“ANOTHER DISGUSTING SELL-OUT BY OUR MR. “CHANGE” OBAMA”
“War criminal Obama hasn’t sold out anything. People are showing their willful ignorance by saying that. He worked FOR the Bush regime as a senator but most people don’t know that because they didn’t care to examine his senatorial voting record before they voted for him.”
“The only real change that will ever take place is if the people in this country get off their ass and start doing something.”
“Good luck with that. People are too busy watching television.
The only time people get up and do something is when some sh**head like Glenn Beck rouses the rabble. Then it’s torch-and-pitchfork time.”
Dark-Star on February 15, 2010 at 10:01 PM
Another good one:
http://www.campusprogress.org/opinions/3942/obama-didnt-ban-torture
Dark-Star on February 15, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Yes Yessss
Define ‘terrorists’ Mr Prezisadunce
Name some names
before you tell us what you plan to do to them
macncheez on February 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM
They now think that The One is an operative of the Bush regime. This is great!
Electrongod on February 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM
That Scott Brown win has worked wonders, gaaaawwwwwwllllleeee.
Left is right. Up is down. Grass is blue and the sky is green. Now, Obama is actually thinking about treating blood thirsty terrorists who don’t care about anything but religious zealoutry….like blood thirsty terrorists who don’t care about anything but religious zealoutry.
Wow! Will wonders never cease?
JoeinTX on February 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM
A promise broken before it was ever made.
unclesmrgol on February 15, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Whoa–thanks Dark Star! If I weren’t such a stupid hick, I’d say that this law dude just choked down a big ol’ glassful of someday-we’re-gonna-try-Obama-as-a-war-criminal or something like that. His words as quoted, not mine.
Heads explodin’ is right….lookout for the skull shrapnel.
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 10:12 PM
hell hath no fury like the liberal pantywaists scorned, or something like that.
ted c on February 15, 2010 at 10:13 PM
And #3, from one of the most reliable and unbiased fact-checking websites…(ROTFLOL)
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/torture-margolized
Dark-Star on February 15, 2010 at 10:14 PM
This may not endear them to their base for long as I am given to understand there are quite a number of folks whom their base would like very much to detain indefinitely without trial. Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney himself, Jim Treacher, the now notorious domestic terrorist who wantonly attack that government vehicle as it was shadowing members of the notorious Tea Bag insurgents.
MB4 on February 15, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Unfortunately, you’d be wrong for the most part.
See…in looney libtard land, those people are the terrorists. Palin and Rush are apparently in the same league as wanton murderers and arsonists. *shrug*
Dark-Star on February 15, 2010 at 10:23 PM
From the link Dark-Star posted.
Incredible! Bush’s 3rd term. Obama didn’t start out that way but he is beginning to see that there are few options left. The right path may just be the path that Bush took.
Electrongod on February 15, 2010 at 10:24 PM
Code Pink?…Hello?…Code Piiiinnnnk! Hmmm.
ronsfi on February 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh don’t tell the ACLU! What? They already know? Well….carry on then.
btw…welcome back Allah. Hope you had a great vacation!
capejasmine on February 15, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Obama’s re-election campaign slogan will be, “The more things change, the more they stay the same.” Except to get worse, of course.
NoLeftTurn on February 15, 2010 at 10:31 PM
W did it.
LastRick on February 15, 2010 at 10:33 PM
But that’s not dithering or inexperience or a complete and utter void of leadership skill you’re witnessing. Obama is just so smart, so thoughtful, so evenhanded. He’s just weighing his options . . . and weighing them . . . and weighing them. The actual hard work of making a decision and acting on it will have to be carried out by someone else.
NoLeftTurn on February 15, 2010 at 10:42 PM
NoLeftTurn: But Obama could at some later date decide to get personally involved in this issue.
GaltBlvnAtty on February 15, 2010 at 10:44 PM
Another post from Dark-Star’s link.
WTF!!?? Your media makes you believe things are peachy because that is what you want to hear. You don’t want to know about reality, because if you knew, you wouldn’t have pulled the lever for Obama. At least this poster new that there would be another rethug administration.
Electrongod on February 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Obama to the Hope&Change crowd: I won!
TN Mom on February 15, 2010 at 10:57 PM
He’s probably also considering indefinite detention of critics of his administration without trial…
wildcat84 on February 15, 2010 at 11:08 PM
It’s one thing to lock them up under the “law of war” (presuming that the war doesn’t go on forever), but Obama’s attempts to to create permanent detention or “Preventive Detention” using a Constitutional basis under civil and criminal law is quite terrifying.
J_Crater on February 15, 2010 at 11:09 PM
One click answer:
“Miss me Yet?”
Nelsa on February 15, 2010 at 11:20 PM
Cracked elite egghead shells?
Del Dolemonte on February 15, 2010 at 11:30 PM
I happen to believe that islam will ultimately have to be outlawed as a foreign seditious POLITICAL entity that does not acknowledge the supremacy of any law or loyalty that transcends their own sick and twisted sharia law.
Unfortunately it’s going to have to get worse than it is now for America to wake up. Probably will take French car-beques happening in Dearbornistan or Minneapolistan.
wildcat84 on February 15, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Wait! I’m pretty GWB did this, that can’t be right – Obama agrees a Bush tactic is the correct way to deal with these people? I though we moved on to an age of hope and change where the President would charm our enemies and treat them with respect?
Sharr on February 15, 2010 at 11:50 PM
Obama; you can call me Ray,
or you can call me jay…..
Sonosam on February 16, 2010 at 12:15 AM
What an amateur this president is. Not that I’m surprised mind you. It’s just that knowing he’s an amateur, and then seeing it played out day-in & day-out makes one wonder if they’re ever going to learn how to run the country. (and I don’t mean into the ground, they’ve got that down pat) My dogs are quicker learners than the folks in this administration! Oh well, while you’re at it Mr. President, why not bring back the enhanced interrogation techniques. No sarcasm intended.
galvestonian on February 16, 2010 at 12:21 AM
Imagine Cheney saying, “I congratulate President Obama on his wisdom in following the effective and prudent policies of his predecessor, George Bush. I look forward to seeing more of that.”
OMG! The libs’ heads really would explode!
Do it, Dick, do it!
JimC on February 16, 2010 at 2:35 AM
By all means, detain them indefinitely, but be sure to pipe into their cells, 24/7, The Unprecedented’s speeches (sans applause).
They’ll beg to be waterboarded; it’s less cruel.
ya2daup on February 16, 2010 at 6:08 AM
I wonder if Olby will have a SUPER SPECIAL COMMENT tonight.
angryed on February 16, 2010 at 7:00 AM
David Frum, David Brooks, Christopher Buckley…..
Who cares what they have to say?
olesparkie on February 16, 2010 at 7:34 AM
Pee Wee Herman mentality plus he looks alot like him
bluegrass on February 16, 2010 at 9:56 AM
He lathers up his finger, sticks it in the air and then reconsiders his proclamation set in stone.
CynicalOptimist on February 16, 2010 at 4:32 PM
Obama, ca 2008: We can’t torture
terroristsMuslim prayer warriors at Gitmo without trial !Military tribunals are kangaroo courts!
Gitmo is a recruiting tool for human disaster causers.
Obama, Jan 2009: I will close Gitmo within one year.
Obama, Nov 2009: We’ll put the Muslim prayer warriors in my home state!
We’ll give Khaled Sheik Mohammad a fair trial in New York, then we’ll execute him.
Obama, Jan 2010: Nobody wants the Muslim Prayer Warriors. Better keep them in Gitmo.
Obama, Feb 2010: Nobody wants KSM in New York. How about a military trial?
If we can’t do civilian trials or military trials, who needs a trial anyway? Just lock ‘em up and throw away the key!
Cheney: We told you so! How about those failed policies of the past, Mr. Knowitall?
Steve Z on February 16, 2010 at 5:02 PM