Former CRU chief admits warming may not be unprecedented

posted at 10:54 am on February 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

In a rather stunning series of admissions, the suspended chief of the East Anglia CRU now admits that the warming seen in the late 20th century may not be unprecedented after all, that the planet has stopped warming for the last 15 years despite the predictions of AGW advocates, and that his own record-keeping has been poor.  Phil Jones, who stepped down at least temporarily from his position at the CRU when its e-mails exposed a series of embarrassing attempts by climate scientists to undermine careers of skeptics and to hide contradictory data, now says that the entire basis of the “hockey stick” graph could have been invalid:

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.  … The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

But that’s just the start:

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming. …

And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.

Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries.

But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.

Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.

‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’

The “hockey stick” graph has already been shown to be mainly a creation of graph-scaling bias, but this gets to the heart of the entire argument.  During the MWP, farmers grew crops on Greenland for a couple of centuries.  Until now, AGW advocates insisted that the warming only took place in the northern hemisphere.  If that warming was indeed global, then it dwarfs anything seen in the 20th century, as these two charts from Climate Audit, via  Sonic Frog, demonstrate:

If the massive warming seen in Europe occurred around the world, then what we have seen in the 20th century would be almost certainly a moderate, natural, cyclical warming coming out of a cold trough.  It would also call into question what exactly a good temperature would be for the Earth.  After all, even if the second graph only applied to the northern hemisphere, the increased temperatures didn’t cause the end of life on the planet; indeed, food became more plentiful, and the melting of the polar-region ice didn’t create massive catastrophes.  Further underscoring this interpretation are the cooling cycles seen in the mid-century and last fifteen years or so, expecially since the 1940s saw a huge increase in carbon emissions due to wartime production.

Jones’ late admissions demonstrate that there is nothing “settled” about AGW, and that the process and the data are too murky for any declarations of certainty.

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Sorry Warmers. Your house of cards has not only fallen, it is on fire.

IronDioPriest on February 14, 2010 at 10:57 AM

It takes a while for truth to get it’s shoes on and laced up. But eventually … Do you think the fact that lawyers are looking up his shorts had anything to do with this ‘admission’?

tarpon on February 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM

But we’re still all going to die by 2050, right?

LibTired on February 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Will anyone notice? Hello, is anyone there?

Fuquay Steve on February 14, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Still they persist. Can only be for money or fame, surely even they do not truly believe they’re right. Al won’t care anymore either since he’s made his millions and got his prize. By the way, where’s he been lately? Don’t hear from him much.

jeanie on February 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM

The way things are working out, the AGW advocates are soon to be the world’s ‘deniers’.

Expect a troll invasion of this thread in 5…4…3…

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM

But we’re still all going to die by 2050, right?

LibTired on February 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM

I’m pretty sure I will. *_-

thomasaur on February 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Team Enviromental Wackos should just stop screwing
around,and haul the Sun,off to court,and sue the suns
*ss off,for failure to keep a constant,none melting
ice caps temperatures!!

Then,Team Green,should haul the Earths *ss off to
court,and be tried for the deliberate murder of
humans!!

Two can tango with Crazy talk!!(snark).

canopfor on February 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Still they persist. Can only be for money or fame, surely even they do not truly believe they’re right.

Or control.

Disturb the Universe on February 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Nothing to see here, keep moving.

Algore/off

rmel80 on February 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Jones’ late admissions demonstrate that there is nothing “settled” about AGW, and that the process and the data are too murky for any declarations of certainty.

Great article up to here, Ed, but I’d say the AGW debate is largely settled. It is a hoax until proven otherwise. Don’t let the lying “scientists” still maintain the offense on this power grab. We don’t have to prove it doesn’t exist, the burden of proof is on them — with unmodified data! Oh, and until that data is forthcoming, every global warmer should be the laughingstock tarred-and-feathered of the world for bringing us to the brink of economic ruin and global governance!

Christian Conservative on February 14, 2010 at 11:04 AM

But we’re still all going to die by 2050, right?

LibTired on February 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM

LibTired: If we make it through 2012!

canopfor on February 14, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Expect a troll invasion of this thread in 5…4…3…

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM

They won’t show up until the discussion has slowed down. They’ll start by quoting this am’s posts and asking why no one is responding.

thomasaur on February 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM

There was a period of even warmer temperatures than the MWP, it was the holocene maximum. Further evidence, global warming is not man made.

nazo311 on February 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Damn, I really liked the movie Water World.

Electrongod on February 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Science is hard. Politics is easy. You don’t have to worry about facts.

entropent on February 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM

When 100s of million people have their cause of death written on their death certificates as AGW then I will be convinced.

fourdeucer on February 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM

But we’re still all going to die by 2050, right?

LibTired on February 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Oh yes. the Left will insist we all die because of something we did. Probably AGR. Anthropogenic Global Racism. Or something like that.

Guardian on February 14, 2010 at 11:07 AM

These Warmers have too much Green to loose and that “green” would be cash.

yoda on February 14, 2010 at 11:08 AM

The fat lady is singing behind a curtain of snow.

RandyChandler on February 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM

So I won’t get ocean front property in Idaho?

Electrongod on February 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

His admissions mean nothing, because they were not “peer reviewed”!

Dale on February 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Another AGW scam bites the dust.

But even with this, it isn’t the garlic-tipped, silver trimmed, wooden steak. What is, and the evidence is mounting, is the wholesale manipulation of the temperature record, via selective site use and doctoring of raw data.

Dusty on February 14, 2010 at 11:11 AM

It bears noting that the bottom graph is the IPCC graph from 1991. The top graph is the IPCC graph from 2001.

It’s amazing how much history you can change with statistics.

drjohn on February 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM

If Algore is reading this, then he’s probably wishing now that he hadn’t invented the internet.

RedWinged Blackbird on February 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM

The Winter of Their Discontent

http://diversitylane.wordpress.com/

canopfor on February 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM

But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.

To me, this is the money quote.

Was there a magical force field at the equator during the MWP that kept the southern hemisphere ‘normal’? What about the ocean currents to carry heat into a region or out of it? Guess they couldn’t get past the force field.

I can continue the logical arguments here, but it’s a waste against AGW advocates; they have their minds made up. The rest of us can figure out further details at our leisure.

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 11:14 AM

If Algore is reading this, then he’s probably wishing now that he hadn’t invented the internet.

RedWinged Blackbird on February 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM

FTW

thomasaur on February 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM

People are constantly arguing the facts without realising that this isn’t about facts. The AGW leaders, in another life, would be hawking ginsu knives and selling meat door to door. They are a good suit and a degree away from sending out Nigerian scam emails

billhedrick on February 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM

This is the kind of sh*t that happens when you stop hanging people.

JiangxiDad on February 14, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Al won’t care anymore either since he’s made his millions and got his prize. By the way, where’s he been lately? Don’t hear from him much.

jeanie on February 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Just read a fawning review of his latest book, which means there are still plenty of Leftist college kids buying his crap:

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978046763&grpId=3659174697241980

Del Dolemonte on February 14, 2010 at 11:18 AM

They are a good suit and a degree away from sending out Nigerian scam emails

billhedrick on February 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM

It’s clever, and correct. But it’s also a chilling example of what happens when good people tolerate evil. I think there is much blame to go around.

JiangxiDad on February 14, 2010 at 11:19 AM

What all this means is this simple fact: The science is anything but settled. That may seem like an obvious statement, but without the science being settled no public official has the ability to impose ANY form of redistributive or regulatory regime upon citizens, companies, or economies as a whole. Hold on to that phrase, the science is NOT settled. So get your filthy paws off my incandescent bulbs, political fools. Next stop, investigate and defund the EPA.

Weight of Glory on February 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM

We need a Congressional investigation.

Oh wait, they’re in on the scam.

JammieWearingFool on February 14, 2010 at 11:23 AM

This is so cool, more please.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2010 at 11:24 AM

And now, finally, blogs should ban commenters promoting the debunked theory of man-made global warming. Those crazy Warmers!

Emperor Norton on February 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Don’t worry, the enviro-communists will go through all manner of contortions and spin this into “proof” that even more money and research is needed to investigate.

darwin on February 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM

I wonder what those cars looked like back then?

CWforFreedom on February 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM

What all this means is this simple fact: The science is anything but settled.

Weight of Glory on February 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Seems it was never science to begin with.

darwin on February 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Al Bore to declare: “Science is STILL settled” in 3-2-1.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 14, 2010 at 11:27 AM

It’s clever, and correct. But it’s also a chilling example of what happens when good people tolerate evil. I think there is much blame to go around.

JiangxiDad on February 14, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Damn straight! Not one good person of prominence on the inside to just say, “hey, we’re getting a little carried away with this!” It’s rather disappointing.

mossberg500 on February 14, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Seems it was never science to begin with.

darwin on February 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM

True.

Weight of Glory on February 14, 2010 at 11:27 AM

AGW= Almighty Gods Will

fourdeucer on February 14, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Shorter Jones – AGW ate my data and I can’t back anything up.

Like any religion that has gone past its expiration date I expect we will still see AGW believers for a decade or so… they will slowly die off like the ‘population bomb’ believers and the ‘food shortages in the ’90s’ enthusiats. Luckily the Y2K hand-wavers have gotten over theirs. Soon it will be like seeing Elvis and every so often you will get a report of a believer just wanting to believe.

ajacksonian on February 14, 2010 at 11:30 AM

They warmists will just use this to claim how effective the Black Death and 30 Years Wars were to healing Mother Gaia.

pedestrian on February 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM

And the best part is we didn’t have to do a thing except to say “I told you so.”

Old rule of thumb: if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.

KillerKane on February 14, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Ed,

I am surprised that you left out Sonic Frog’s most damning bit. That the IPCC’s supposed concencus was a farce even amongst their own scientists contributing to te report.

Of the 1117 reports turned in a grand total of, wait for it… 13 came down definatively that AGW was a certainty!

This what the settled science looks like? I would say catagoerically yes! Because settled science is suck a rarity that it almost never occurs. When it does it is called a “Law”, “Newton’s Law of Gravity”, “Lienitz’s Law of Indiscernables” etc. Even Eistein’s “Theory of Relativity” and “Darwin’s Theory of Evolution”, while considered “Accepted Theory” none the less are still relagated to the realm of theory.

Anyone who remotely follows the advance of “science” would the relativey immature concept of AGW had not gone through the rigors of the “Scientific Method” to unequivicably be declare as “settled” or it would have been referred to as “Jones’ Law of AGW”!

Speaking of law, when are law the lawsuits going to start flying? This surely is the greatest fraud ever attempted, bar none!

Archimedes on February 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Obama is the Global Warming of politics.

rob verdi on February 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM

AGW is a hoax ,hot air hardest hit..

the_nile on February 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Liar

It’s a clear case, Herr Kommissar
‘Cause all the children know
They’re all slidin’ down into the valley
They’re all slipping on the same snow…

Alles klar, Herr Kommissar

OK, one more:

Poets, priests and politicians [and enviro-fascists]
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no one’s jamming their transmission
‘Cos when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
Their innocence will pull me through

Knott Buyinit on February 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

Does this sound as stupid to everyone else as it does to me?

chemman on February 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

I wonder how long until Phil Jones is branded a traitor, and lefties start calling for him to be put in prison.

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Damn! That’s “Leibnitz’s Law of Undiscernables”. I just got outta bed and still am not totally cognizant here, sorry folks.

Archimedes on February 14, 2010 at 11:36 AM

AGW’s fundamental dishonesty has been known by all who cared to pay attention since the first day it became national news.

There are two things that are true about any sudden announcement that “we’re all going to die” or “we’re all going to die if we don’t _____”.

1) It is scientifically unsound. Actual scientists don’t make dramatic claims without extensive verification and peer review, so any legitimate threat to humanity would “well up” over a period of months and years as those involved leak information out bit by bit. Skeptics will attack those leaks with full ferocity, only backing off when they are unable to disprove the information. That is what skeptics are supposed to do.
2) It is being propagated by “progressives”. Progressives have as their goal the replacement of the old with all of it’s well-documented flaws by the new, with flaws that are either yet unknown or can be denied on the grounds that we can’t know what will happen or “scientists say”, which means at least two people who can be construed as having some affiliation with science are willing to risk some small portion of their credibility on it.

Immolate on February 14, 2010 at 11:37 AM

So will the EPA now un-declare CO2 as a harmful pollutant? Not a chance. That is still the govt’s plan to get deeper into our pockets. They must have this money to continue social engineering.

GnuBreed on February 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Hmmmmmm.

Looks like it’s time to go back to the Supreme Court.

Every major element of the ‘science’ used for the ‘carbon ruling’ has turned out to be based on fraudulent work.

Courts don’t like it when they’re lied to, even ‘liberal’ judges have no sense of humor when comes to that.

‘Strike while the iron is hot’, comes to mind.

CPT. Charles on February 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Is Red State banning Warmthers?

Basilsbest on February 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM

For Professor Phil Jones and all the other AGW believers who were taking the virtual Jim Jones solution on Global Warming. Someone switched the potion and poured in a little Truth.

How does it taste?

donh525 on February 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM

I say, the errors in AGW is unprecedented! Unprecedented I say.

Fuquay Steve on February 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Why is there no data from the Southern Hemisphere? Because

A) there is less temperate land mass in the Southern Hemisphere

B) Much of the “record” of higher temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period are actual written records by literate societies.

Most Southern Hemisphere civilizations in the temperate zones were preliterate at the time of the Medieval Warm Period. Even the literate societies were in a very early stage of literacy, where writing was still restricted to the priestly caste. If a Mayan merchant wasn’t able to write and discard a piece of paper or potsherd saying “I paid Bob 45 potatoes for his llama,” we’d never find out about how some now-extinct tribe they traded with out near Tierra Del Fuego found themselves able to grow warm-weather crops.

Sekhmet on February 14, 2010 at 11:46 AM

But we’re still all going to die by 2050, right?

LibTired on February 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM

I’m pretty sure AGE is going to kill me by 2050.

PatMac on February 14, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Not just a nail in the AGW coffin, but a carriage bolt this.

But if a tree falls… and nobody hears it?

Just read a fawning review of his latest book, which means there are still plenty of Leftist college kids buying his crap:

Del Dolemonte on February 14, 2010 at 11:18 AM

AGW is deeply discredited, but little good it does if the public doesn’t know it.

Doc Zero has a really good essay (in the Greenroom) on the importance of using litigation to take Climategate over the heads of MSM and subject the ‘science’ of AGW to public scrutiny: Resolving the Global Warming Fraud

petefrt on February 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Looks like the warmers have a weaker case to stand upon than do birfers.

“Although you may not agree with the science, global climate change is something we need to contend with.”

/Obama

ted c on February 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM

petefrt on February 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Scopes Monkey Trial for Anthropogenic Climate Change.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 11:49 AM

The American elite media will be all over this story…

d1carter on February 14, 2010 at 11:52 AM

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming. …

Translation: that means no warming that exceeds chance variation.

ted c on February 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM

On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.

I’m pretty sure it was warmer during the age of the dinosaurs. Jones’ admissions & concessions still do not acknowledge natural cycles in earth’s temperature variation.

rbj on February 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM

This is so beautiful I think I may cry.

russcote on February 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Lucky for us the EPA doesn’t have to use science and can regulate CO2 levels as directed by Henry Waxman.

a capella on February 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM

‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.

Much debate? Much debate, huh? Do you mean that debate over that science that algore was pretty convinced was already settled? Is that the voluminous debate to which you are referring former-Professor Jones?

ted c on February 14, 2010 at 12:00 PM

I’m pretty sure AGE is going to kill me by 2050.

PatMac on February 14, 2010 at 11:46 AM

LOL

Now THERE’s an example of settled science — AGE, not AGW.

notropis on February 14, 2010 at 12:03 PM

The White House is pretty convinced that several “thousands of scientists” have concluded that climate change is happening. How does one square this now with Jones’ assertion that there is no statistically significant warming in last 15 years. Either it is happeninng, and it is significant, or it is simply normal variation that is no different than past normal variation. Which is it White House?

ted c on February 14, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Ed, this is totally red meat. Let’s devour this bad boy this week.

ted c on February 14, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Future Warmist Meme:

Medieval Warm Period was first evidence of man-made global warming.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:06 PM

For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

Does this sound as stupid to everyone else as it does to me?
chemman on February 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

No trees in the Southern Hemisphere?

Fake8 on February 14, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Boy, talk about ‘settled science’. Wonder if Overbite is going to call Dr. Phil the worst person of the week for puncturing his balooney ideology? Nah, the libtard media will again try to sweep this under the rug.

eaglewingz08 on February 14, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Scopes Monkey Trial for Anthropogenic Climate Change.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 11:49 AM

That’s the idea. Use litigation to get the message out over the heads of MSM.

petefrt on February 14, 2010 at 12:10 PM

There is evidence that the MWP was a global affair. In New Zealand for example they found evidence that the globe was on average 75 C warmer than the most recent warming trend. This comes from a Stalagmite and Tree Rings.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Ed, this is totally red meat. Let’s devour this bad boy this week.

ted c on February 14, 2010 at 12:04 PM

I’d like a double serving, please. Make mine rare.

petefrt on February 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Oh, and lgf has now banned Phil Jones.

rbj on February 14, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Over the past 2000 years there are five climactic trends.

You had the Roman Warm Period, Dark Age Cooling, the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age and the Modern Warm Period.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:10 PM

MWP could only be global, as the atmosphere is a dynamic system. Unless, like I postulated earlier, there was a force field at the equator that confined warming to the northern hemisphere.

But the warmers will never want to believe it.

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

The hockey stick was actually Al Gore’s assets. They spiked from $2 million to over $100 million in the early part of the 21st century.

Mojave Mark on February 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Warmers when they find out that weather is cyclical.

yoda on February 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Ok, where are the ‘mission posters’, at an emergency talking points meeting?

Yoop on February 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM

It has to be, even the Holocene Optimum while having higher temps in the Northern Hemisphere than the Southern Hemisphere still showed higher temps at the Poles.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Let me rewrite that.

Any regional climactic changes will impact global climate. The Holocene Optimum was really hot for the Northern Hemisphere but the Southern Hemisphere still showed warming, even about .8 to 1.6 Celsius warming in the Antarctic.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Why is there no data from the Southern Hemisphere? Because

A) there is less temperate land mass in the Southern Hemisphere

Sekhmet on February 14, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Continental drift comes home to roost.

Yoop on February 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

This all going to be interesting. To keep AGW, the warmers are going to have pretty much toss the entire field of Fluid Dynamics. Say goodbye to Bernoulli’s Principle and all that!

Liam on February 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Sorry Warmers. Your house of cards has not only fallen, it is on fire.

IronDioPriest on February 14, 2010 at 10:57 AM

The really committed ones will start yammering about how the carbon sinks are at capacity and therefore we are headed for climate disaster.

Of course that begs the question about the actual affect CO2 has on climate, the catastrophic view being entirely undermined by the constant revelations of bad data, lost data, and data manipulation.

There was also a study that indicated the carbon sinks may not be at capacity. I’m not sure what the outcome of that was in the peer review literature though.

aikidoka on February 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM

We will all be killed by herds of rampaging inter-galactic wild bull elephants from space…..

….unless you give me money….RIGHT NOW!!!! …so I can stop the elephants and help the economy by creating grey jobs!!

You can’t afford to wait until it is too late to save the universe!!!

Hey, you bought into AGW, which only affects one planet…and I just need a few hundred billion…

landlines on February 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Why is there no data from the Southern Hemisphere? Because

A) there is less temperate land mass in the Southern Hemisphere

B) Much of the “record” of higher temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period are actual written records by literate societies.

Most Southern Hemisphere civilizations in the temperate zones were preliterate at the time of the Medieval Warm Period. Even the literate societies were in a very early stage of literacy, where writing was still restricted to the priestly caste. If a Mayan merchant wasn’t able to write and discard a piece of paper or potsherd saying “I paid Bob 45 potatoes for his llama,” we’d never find out about how some now-extinct tribe they traded with out near Tierra Del Fuego found themselves able to grow warm-weather crops.

Sekhmet on February 14, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Good points.

aikidoka on February 14, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Any regional climactic changes will impact global climate.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Exactly. Weather is not static. It takes place in a fluid medium that is constantly seeking but never achieving equilibrium for any appreciable length of time. Transference can be reasonably assumed.

Yoop on February 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM

As per the Southern Hemisphere:

In the 13th Century large portions of S. America, most of southern Africa and all of Australia were hunter-gatherer societies or primitive agricultural societies. Written records are going to be exceptionally rare.

Moreover, the broad-depth of inquiry into climate change via non-written records (tree rings and the like) has been done in the Northern Hemisphere.

Holger on February 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Sorry Warmers. Your house of cards has not only fallen, it is on fire.

IronDioPriest on February 14, 2010 at 10:57 AM

A deck full of Jokers.

BobMbx on February 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM

As with so many fields that leftists infest, simple, basic logic is the first thing to go out the window.

‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented.

True.

On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’

False. Just from the Vostok cores we see that there were many other instances of high temperature on Earth (on a very regular basis – after we pull out of ice ages) and it is impossible to know exactly how high those temperatures were, though they look to be the same as they have now been for the past couple thousand years.

It is no surprise that Jones does not understand this simple exercise in logic. What is a shame is that such demented thinking should have been identified long ago and served to have his academic career cut short – at least in any of the “sciences”. Jones has the sort of grasp on logic that one finds in the humanities and among lawyers.

neurosculptor on February 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM

It makes me wonder. If these advocates of AGW are so willing to ignore the false data, and lies that were perpetrated, then how can they accuse anyone, of not believing in science? Jones all but admits here, that it’s all based on lies. So what other kind of science to AGW advocates believe in? Bleeding a person, to make the disease go away? Believing that sharing the same cup makes a girl pregnant? Hmmmmmmm?

capejasmine on February 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM

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