Obama officially invites GOP, Dems to health-care summit

posted at 10:55 am on February 13, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The invitations have gone out to leadership in both parties to attend Barack Obama’s ostensibly bipartisan summit on health care.  Is this the event of the social season, a political debate, or Kabuki theater?  Depending on who answers, it seems that no one is quite sure what to expect from any of the participants, assuming the debate takes place at all:

The White House formally invited Republicans on Friday to attend a health-care summit Feb. 25, calling it “the next step” in the process of reforming the country’s broken health insurance system and pledging to post the text of a reform proposal online before the gathering.

In a letter to lawmakers, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the half-day meeting at Blair House would include the top Democratic and Republican congressional leaders and the ranking members in committees that deal with health care.

Outlining the format for a session some Republicans have derided as little more than political theater, the Obama advisers said both parties would be allowed to invite four other members each to the discussion, to begin at 10 a.m. and be televised live.

This comes after leaks on Capitol Hill assert that Democrats have already agreed on the “trick” to push the current Senate bill through the House and use reconciliation for a series of tax and spending fixes demanded by Nancy Pelosi’s progressive caucus.  That would make the summit entirely moot, as any agreement reached for a new, bipartisan approach at the summit would require the reintroduction of amended bills to both chambers — essentially starting the process from Step 1 over again.   Republicans have already called foul on this development, and demanded that Democrats tear up the existing bills as a prerequisite for the debate:

A statement from Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner.

“This leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Are they excluding governors, state legislators, CBO, and rank-and-file congressional Democrats who have opposed Obamacare and are the reason the president hasn’t had a bill to sign? Are Congressional Democrats still working behind closed doors with White House support on a ‘pre-negotiated package’ that can be rammed through Congress after the summit via legislative tricks? Or are they willing to start over with a blank sheet of paper? We need answers before we know if the White House is more interested in partisan theater than in facilitating a productive dialogue about solutions.”

The structure of the debate also should raise some eyebrows.  Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.  Obama has hardly maintained an independent position over the past several months, openly cheerleading Democratic ideas while ignoring (until forced to recognize) competing Republican proposals:

The format of the Feb. 25 summit has the feel of a quasi-debate, at least at the beginning. The president will give opening remarks, followed by remarks from a Republican leader and a Democratic leader, according to the letter.

The president will then moderate discussion on four topics: insurance reforms, cost containment, expanding coverage, and the impact health reform legislation will have on deficit reduction, the letter stated.

In any political debate, having a moderator with an explicit interest in the outcome is completely unacceptable.  How hard would it have been to find a retired elder statesperson to act as moderator?  Howard Baker, Lee Hamilton, Bob Dole, and even Bill Frist comes to mind here, although Frist may have been too recent for the comfort of Democrats.  Someone could have gotten on the phone with former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor to ask if she was available.

Obama’s political standing as President hangs in the balance on the outcome of his all-in on health care.  Let him argue along with the Democrats on the panel, but if Obama’s moderating, it will be less of a bipartisan debate than a “Welcome to the parlor, said the spider to the fly” arrangement.

I’ve got a better idea.  If Obama wants to truly find a bipartisan arrangement, then let him meet with the leaders of both parties at the White House and run the meeting in a manner that will find one, rather than concoct a ridiculous structure that will produce nothing but another photo op for himself.  If he wants an open debate, let’s put off the ObamaCare debate until after the midterm elections and let the candidates debate it on the stump in every Congressional district and state.  We’ll see by the election results who wins that debate.

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I’ll have a Blue Moon.

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

This is a setup for failure.

Spirit of 1776 on February 13, 2010 at 10:58 AM

why should the GOP attend unless Brennan resigns, and I say this as someone who thinks this meeting can be a real opportunity to defeat the left.?

rob verdi on February 13, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Kabuki

ted c on February 13, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Three little mice sat down to spin;
Along came Miss Pussy and she peeped in;
“What are you doing, my fine little men?”
“We’re weaving coats for gentlemen.”
“Shall I come in and cut off your threads?”
“No, no, Miss Pussy, you’d bite off our heads.”
“Oh, no, I’ll not; I’ll help you spin.”
“That may be so, but you can’t come in.”

SurferDoc on February 13, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I’ll have a Blue Moon.

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

This is a setup for failure.

Spirit of 1776 on February 13, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I agree.

nyx on February 13, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Never ever forget this is all about the Won. The R’s should know by now they can’t make deals with the devil and come out with clean hands.

Kissmygrits on February 13, 2010 at 11:03 AM

It’s a bit late for all that. “Sorry, I tried to rape you. What are you doing Friday night?”

alliebobbitt on February 13, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

If Obama is the moderator, then forget the spectacle… it’s stupid… just send in straw men because that’s all Obama will be attacking…

ninjapirate on February 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Barack Obama’s Ostensibly Bipartisan Summit…. What should the acronym be for this?

Electrongod on February 13, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Just say no.

Philly on February 13, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Don’t fall for it Republicans . . . selling your soul to the devil leads you down an irreversible path. Only a fool would participate in this obvious setup.

rplat on February 13, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Nonsense. But let’s see if they fall for it.

Asher on February 13, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Like i said, this is stupid… Obama can’t be the moderator… he doesn’t listen… he has this odd dialectic where he fauxes empathy by repeating in parodist fashion his opponents position and then pivoting hard left… it’s ridiculous….

ninjapirate on February 13, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

So he’ll be the stiff pr!ck in the room.

thomasaur on February 13, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Pure political kabuki.

Obama as moderator? now, that’s funny.

I think O’Connor remains on the list of senior federal judges who remain available to sit as special judges appointed to hear particular cases, if so, she would probably be unavailable.

Ed’s last idea is best. The whole idea of Obama’s debate/summit is designed to focus attention on His Glorious Self while making Republicans look like obstructionists, not to make real progress on rational reforms to control health care costs.

If Obama and the Dems refuse to tear up the monstrosities proposed in the House ans Senate bills and start over, Republicans need to stay away and hammer on the futility of starting with bills a majority of Americans vehemently oppose. Perhaps they should hold their own summit, and invite any Dems willing to start over to participate.

novaculus on February 13, 2010 at 11:07 AM

The longer this health care boondoggle goes on, the more loathsome the Democrats reveal themselves. I love how the Democrats are now demanding the Republicans put forth their own comprehensive bill—a bill didn’t even exist when the Senate voted to pass one!

Despicable. All of them.

WesternActor on February 13, 2010 at 11:07 AM

The way this bho likes to talk and hear his voice, he probably will talk more than half the time. I hope the r’s come loaded for bear!
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letget on February 13, 2010 at 11:09 AM

This is a scam. Fuggedaboutit. Don’t even send one GOP representative – the deck is stacked against you.

Philly on February 13, 2010 at 11:09 AM

The White House formally invited Republicans on Friday to attend a health-care summit Feb. 25, calling it “the next step” in the process of reforming the country’s broken health insurance system and pledging to post the text of a reform proposal online before the gathering.

Hey Barry,
You’d probably come off as a little bit more honest about your intentions if you waited until after the meeting to post the reform proposal online. You know, in case you get some valuable ideas from the Republicans and want to incorporate them.

joe_doufu on February 13, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Never ever forget this is all about the Won. The R’s should know by now they can’t make deals with the devil and come out with clean hands.

Kissmygrits on February 13, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Yup

nyx on February 13, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Meanwhile, 0bama plans on becoming a dictator:

With much of his legislative agenda stalled in Congress, President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html

This “summit” is a smokescreen for 0bama to cover his plans for simply ruling America – he’s not even pretending to govern anymore.

Rebar on February 13, 2010 at 11:11 AM

He’s trying to reinforce the professorial, cool, detached image.

a capella on February 13, 2010 at 11:11 AM

If the GOP attends this ‘meeting’, they will be the biggest bunch of fools on the planet.

Let them own it. The only objective here is to to paint the GOP as obstructionists, then hang that over their head for an excuse to use the nuke option to pass this.

tatersalad on February 13, 2010 at 11:12 AM

***
If someone offered you the Captain’s hat on the Titanic–with the iceberg in sight yet–why would you want to take it?
***
One morning long ago my young son looked out the front door window and saw a skunk standing in front of the door. He told me about the critter and said, “Dad–why don’t you go outside and get that skunk out of here?”
***
No thanks–let Comrade Obama and his minions handle the skunk themselves. Don’t give them any political cover for this already done deal.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on February 13, 2010 at 11:13 AM

I have a small nitpick with the GOP strategy: they are demanding that Obama “start over”, “scrap both the bills”, etc.

I think the public would be more receptive to different wording:

“It sounds like all Democrats are willing to do is pile any GOP proposals on top of their indecipherable 2,100-page bills. Adding a few hundred pages is the opposite of what the public demands. The Democrats have to abandon those huge bills before meaningful dialogue can take place.”

It may seem like a small thing, but the public HATES those two thousand page bills. There’s just too much room for chicanery in there. Citing all those pages catches the public’s ear.

jeanneb on February 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM

You can’t have a meeting on something you plan on adopting through reconciliation. Patently dishonest. Why I think it will be portrayed as that is beyond me. It is just another blatant example of how stupid they think the electorate is. You can only insult and bully people for so long before they push back. See you in November.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Obama pivoted so hard in January that he went full circle, right back to Obamacare, instead of focusing on Jobs.

Jobs and the Economy are America’s number one Priority. Republicans should just tell Obama to pound sand, we’ll talk about it after November.

Mord on February 13, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Moderating seems like a weighty task for TOTUS.

Is this a wise move on Obama’s part?

Disturb the Universe on February 13, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

Obama as moderator is absolutely unacceptable.

Any debate structured as Obama v. dozens of GOP is a loser. Make Ryan the GOP spokesman. Make it, as CK suggests, Obama v. Ryan… with perhaps a few follow up questions from the others at the end.

If Obama were serious about finding ‘bipartisan’ solutions, he wouldn’t have put this on TV. It’s no more than a PR scam.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Don’t do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maquis on February 13, 2010 at 11:20 AM

This is a setup for failure.

Spirit of 1776 on February 13, 2010 at 10:58 AM

One would hope. But I think the intent of the set up is to make Obama appear to the nation to the “man in the middle”, the voice of reason between ideologically opposed views.

ProfessorMiao on February 13, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

This man’s arrogance knows no bounds. This will just be another lecture from Barry.

I’ve changed my position…….Republican’s just say no, but make sure you tell the world why.

Not only is Barry a liar, he’s also a cheater.

Knucklehead on February 13, 2010 at 11:22 AM

You can’t have a meeting on something you plan on adopting through reconciliation. Patently dishonest.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Agreed. But would you suggest GOP attend or stay away?

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 11:23 AM

One week after leaking the news that the nukyaler option is probably going to be utilized, the ‘rats have suddenly decided to hold a “summit”?

Bullsnacks. Call their bluff and tell them to go ahead with the nuke option and watch the entire house of cards collapse around them.

Bishop on February 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM

“I Won” has already posted the rules, and anything that’s outside of his rules will only be discussed to the point where it’s determined to be outside the rules! And HE will make that determination.

Why then, would anyone in their right mind even bother going?

It’s like walking into a whirling propeller blade.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 13, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Go, but slam down a gauntlet. No to government-controlled, or heavily-regulated insurance. And then walk out, if necessary.

ParisParamus on February 13, 2010 at 11:30 AM

“It’s a trap!” -Admiral Ackbar

wildcat84 on February 13, 2010 at 11:32 AM

As moderator, he can cut off any speaker when he wants. Like when the GOP is scoring points.

Wethal on February 13, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Either way Obama intends to use this summit for propaganda purposes. Fail to see why the GOP invitees should not make it perfectly clear that they know this and attend anyway. Obama is going to make them the patsies in either scenario. At least if they attend they can point this out line by line, event by event and put the lie to much of it. If they do not go, they will not have the necessary evidence to expose this dog and pony show for what it is.

jeanie on February 13, 2010 at 11:34 AM

The Republican leadership had better come up with a strong strategy for dealing with blatant falsehoods and fictional anecdotes.

First time Obama pops off with a whopper, state “that’s just not-believable”
Second Offense: “You lie!”
Third: Walk-out.

Personally, I’d approve an even stronger strategy, but the above would do.

Jason Coleman on February 13, 2010 at 11:35 AM

The response:
“Summit? But why? You haven’t asked for our input before now. You told us you could do it without us and our ideas.”

Say ‘no’ politely and with just that faint touch of acid. The stab they expect, the acid, never.

ajacksonian on February 13, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Agreed. But would you suggest GOP attend or stay away?

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 11:23 AM

I know you aimed that question at another but I couldn’t resist offering my view. I say the GOP should stay away.

Ever see the movie The Name of the Rose? A sub-plot of the story, set in the 12th Century, is where Church Elders debate an issue with some of the smaller Orders–like Franciscans. That’s about how I see this little soiree Obow and the Dems are trying to set up.

The issue being debated in the movie was whether the Church should be rich, and did Christ own the cloak the Romans gambled over. While the movie and book were somewhat anti-Catholic, I can transpose the Dems to the rich and arrogant Elders from the movie; the Elders rigged the game, then stormed away after other events.

The GOP needs to stay away from this death trap. It’s also sort of like a trial in a dictatorship, where the jury returns ‘the expected verdict.’

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Bullsnacks. Call their bluff and tell them to go ahead with the nuke option and watch the entire house of cards collapse around them.

Bishop on February 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Amen. I hope they do it. I am investing in pitchfork and torch stocks as we speak.

VegasRick on February 13, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Bullsnacks. Call their bluff and tell them to go ahead with the nuke option and watch the entire house of cards collapse around them.

Bishop on February 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM

yup, what the Bish said. If they think the mob rabble they’ve already seen at the Tea Parties is so fringey and insignificant, let them try the nuke option. Ignore us at your own peril.

Pleaeeaase, dhimmies, just try it! Go ahead. Make my day.

Fishoutofwater on February 13, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Why start over at all? No one is falling for this crap anymore (apart from MSNBC viewers).

If healthcare is such a huge deal, and there are so many issues to be addressed, why not tackle them one at a time?

The only way to solve problems is to lump them all into thousand page bills?

That’s what the people in D.C. don’t seem to understand. It’s the bribes, pork, and paybacks stuffed into these bills that people hate. It’s the backroom deals, the items snuck in after voting, the fact that these clowns don’t bother to read the bills.

Some of them will get it after the midterms and even more will get it in 2012. Sadly, it won’t take long for the new batch of reps and senators to be tainted.

reaganaut on February 13, 2010 at 11:38 AM

The Republicans would be MONUMENTAL IDIOTS to participate in any discussion that Obama moderates.

Repeat MONUMENTAL IDIOTS, MONUMENTAL IDIOTS, MONUMENTAL IDIOTS, MONUMENTAL IDIOTS.

notagool on February 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM

I just don’t trust the Republicans to handle this situation.

mobydutch on February 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM

How sad is this… the event is nothing more than political theater.. and yet Republicans are now in a Catch 22- if they dont go, they will be painted as everything from pussies to .. well..obstructionist. If they do go, they will show as much “splendid sparkling form” as they did at the GOP retreat… which showed how unprepped they are to debate with Obama, no matter how much of a liar he is.

The one person who disappoints me more than any one else is Dr.Coburn.. for heaven’s sakes, he is a Doctor and actually has more experience with health care than this Chicago Curruptocrat.. and he has gone completely silent – it is so pathetic for him not to openly call Obama’s bluff. Never been so disappointed in a man i truly admire.

I hope to God that the GOP has enough brains not to fall for this nonsense and take this issue directly to the voters – if voters think that the GOP is the reason that health care reform has failed let them say so at the polls in 2010 – Democrats can then come back with a 100 seat majority in Congress and 25 seat majority in the Senate.. and can have the public option, single payer or what ever.

nagee76 on February 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Bullsnacks. Call their bluff and tell them to go ahead with the nuke option and watch the entire house of cards collapse around them.

Bishop on February 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM

That’s exactly what they want.

“We bent over backwards to accommodate the Republicans, but – as you’ve just seen – they won’t even sit down and accept our invitation to produce bi-partisan legislation. Therefore, we have to go the reconciliation route”.

And I say LET ‘EM! I’m willing to let the voters decide in November.

The legal challenges as to the constitutionality are all prepared, ready to file upon signing, so either shiite or get off the pot.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM

I still wonder if Nancy has the votes to pass the Senate bill. Even if she cleans it up with reconciliation, she has to ask her caucus first to vote in favor of the Cornhusker Kickback, the Louisiana Purchase, not to mention abortion language that uses accounting gimmicks to federally subsidize elective abortion coverage.

I think this farce is inpart try to win over the Dem votes she doesn’t have yet. Her members are going to have to tell the voters, “Yes, we voted for stuff we didn’t approve of. But then we took it out later.” Shades of Kerry and 2004.

Wethal on February 13, 2010 at 11:43 AM

It is Kabuki theater and the GOP has to get out there now and explain why. They should also restate their positions and suggest that a real summit, moderated independently and where their proposals get equal consideration is the only worthwhile exercise. Anything else is a dog and pony show with stuffed animals.

Extrafishy on February 13, 2010 at 11:44 AM

The GOP should buy TV time for 2/24 and lay out their plan. And they should get to work and have a plan.

Wethal on February 13, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Don’t forget, the time for debate was over last August.

myrenovations on February 13, 2010 at 11:48 AM

We told ya so you Republicans, it’s a set up and you are already looking foolish and vulnerable to the Master Community Organizer man.

Republicans attending their own funeral. You will be so sorry when this all turns to sh** for you. Obama playing you all like a Marlin on Zane Grey’s boat. It’s his party , his rules , his ball and he is also the referee, great level playing field,yeh ?

Thanks for throwing the drowning Obama a lifeline. THIRD PARTY TIME if you balls this one up.

Is there not one Republican with any testicles to say NO ?

Sandybourne on February 13, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Some blogs are raising alarms, based on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s interview with Roll Call and prior remarks made by one of her aides, that House Democrats will pass the Senate health care bill and then iron out differences in the budget reconciliation process.

No, they won’t. Here are four reasons why:

1. What are you waiting for?

This is the same tactic Majority Leader Steny Hoyer hinted at over three weeks ago, on the eve of Scott Brown’s election. It is the same tactic that Democrats supposedly decided on about two weeks ago. Pelosi could have brought the bill up for a vote any time last week, but didn’t. (For obvious reasons she couldn’t this week.) She didn’t because she doesn’t have the votes. Her threats now are little more than saying, “Yes, but I’m serious this time! Really.”

2. Remember Bart Stupak?

Last anyone heard, the Michigan Democrat was still threatening to withhold his support of any bill that didn’t prevent public money from funding abortion, and supposedly he had 10 to 11 Democrats who would go along with him. The Senate bill doesn’t have sufficient abortion protections for Stupak, and it’s unlikely reconciliation could be used to fix it. (Reconciliation can only be used for issues germane to the budget; policy issues like abortion don’t qualify). IBD has put in a call to Stupak’s office to see if he’s changed his position, but the smart money says he hasn’t.

Update: Stupak’s press secretary tells IBD abortion is not the only problem the congressman has with the Senate bill. She pointed IBD to an op-ed Stupak penned for the Detroit News about a month ago, in which he also took issue with the lack of a public option in the Senate bill and how it dealt with Medicaid payments. These are also probably issues that cannot be resolved in reconciliation.

3. 218…217…216…

The number of votes Pelosi has keeps shrinking. She already lost two votes she had for the House bill with Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., retiring and Rep. Joseph Cao, R-La., suggesting he wouldn’t vote for the bill again. That brought Pelosi down to the bare majority of 218. The death this week of Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., drops it to 217. And in about two weeks it will fall to 216, with the retirement of Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, who is leaving to run for governor.

Setting that aside, the soonest Pelosi would be back to 218 is May 18, the likely date of the special election to replace Murtha (the election to replace Wexler occurs on April 13.) Wexler’s seat is likely safe for Democrats, but Murtha’s is seen as a tossup.

Pelosi also risks losing some progressive Democrats since the Senate bill contains no public option. She could pick up some Blue Dogs like Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pa. But:

4. 54% say wait until after November.

That’s the result of a new Rasmussen poll showing that respondents want to select new representatives and senators before Congress goes back to work on health care reform. 61% say that Congress should scrap the current reform and start over.

Independents don’t like how President Obama has handled health care by 57%-23%, according to February’s IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index. Those who feel strongly oppose his performance on the issue by 41%-6%.

Scott Brown’s Massachusetts upset sent a clear message to Democratic lawmakers that ObamaCare is a political loser.

Pelosi may be “committed” to passing the Senate bill and using reconciliation. But Democrats in tough races, and there are lots of them, are probably more committed to winning in November. And they can read polls.

Hogberg’s Capitol Blog on Investor’s Business Daily. (HT: Amspec blog)

And to add: May 18 would be too later for reconciliaton, because there are apparently timelines, and it must be done by April. This blogpost came before Kennedy’s decision not to run for re-election in RI, too, which must make those in other seats that once seemed safe even more nervous..

I hope Hogberg’s right, but I still want the GOP to stay away from this farce of a summit.

Wethal on February 13, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Obama and the Dems are relying on the democrats ability to talk over people, talk faster and lie lie lie to fool the American people. If the GOP goes, they need to very smart about how they present themselves and their arguments. They cannot allow themselves to be walked all over. The GOP made a huge mistake when it invited Obama to speak to them and he just steam rolled all over them, acting like a school teacher scolding bad pupils. They better not allow that again. Also, what the American people wanted televised were the actual legislative processes and actual meetings with lobbyists and Obama, which led to the current “bill”, not some set up TV op. This should be called the Blaire Witch Hunt of the GOP.

immigrantchick on February 13, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Would it now be interesting if the GOP takes Sarah Palin with them? Way too risky for such a huge issue, but if she really is as brilliant as some make her out to be, maybe it would be a good idea.

immigrantchick on February 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM

immigrantchick on February 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Both sides would dump on her for about ten reasons I can think of, off the top of my head.

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:01 PM

…just send in straw men because that’s all Obama will be attacking…

ninjapirate on February 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM

It’s a shame they’re all such politicians worried about reelection and want little more than to hold onto their power. Accept his invitation and then have aides carry in professionally-made scarecrows to place in the chairs, each with nametags of some of Obama’s more favored arguments creations.

rogerb on February 13, 2010 at 12:02 PM

The GOP would have to be total imbeciles to take part in this fiasco. Health scare is dead. Period. There is no reason to talk about it, especially not with a lying sack of sh!t like the Indonesian imbecile and the useful idiot dems. UNCONSTITUTIONAL HEALTH SCARE IS DEAD. Let it rest.

What the GOP need sot concentrate on, now, is killing the rest of the un-American, un-Constitutional, moronic legislation and regulation that the America-hating dems are still trying to shove down our throats.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:04 PM

The GOP should go and turn the tables on this subterfuge.

All they have to do it’s make statements within their questions like- “Obviously the Government will have to deny tests or treatment in order to cut costs,” or “This enormous 2000+ health care bill was written behind closed doors without any Republicans what are you hiding from the American people?”

redridinghood on February 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM

mobydutch on February 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM

my fear as well…this is one awful mess that gets worse everyday….

cmsinaz on February 13, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

So, there’ll be free beer then?

Left Coast Right Mind on February 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Don’t. Do. It.

There is nothing wrong, at this time and place in our history, with being “The Party of NO.”

Nichevo on February 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Left Coast Right Mind on February 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM

if there’s newcastle, count me in :)

cmsinaz on February 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Agreed. But would you suggest GOP attend or stay away?

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 11:23 AM

At this point I don’t know how they decline. The president and Congress are suppose to be equal in stature. I believe that it could be a chance to showcase their suggestions and to knock down the portrait of crazed ideologs they have been painted. I think the Republicans have the public on their side and small corrective moves compared to 2000 pages will be more palatable. I trust the people, look at the polls, they know they are being scammed. Only Mr. Obama believes that he hasn’t explained it well enough.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.

what an absolute farce! but the msm will hail this the best meeting since he took office, yada, yada, yada

cmsinaz on February 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM

At this point I don’t know how they decline.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Easy. “No.”

Health scare is dead. Why go to a meeting about a dead bill that was un-Constitutional, anyway?

There is no reason for the GOP to take part in anything about a dead, un-Constitutional rape of our nation.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM

What’s the full list? I don’t have time to slog through every committee to see who the “ranking members” are. What I want to know is: Are doctors like Rep. Tom Price, on the list or not?

Buy Danish on February 13, 2010 at 12:18 PM

cmsinaz on February 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM

My favorite brand is WOS. (Whatever’s On Sale)

But hey, if one Republican shows up, it’ll be a “bi-partisan” waste of time.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM

The GOP needs to stay away from this death trap. It’s also sort of like a trial in a dictatorship, where the jury returns ‘the expected verdict.’

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 11:36 AM

That was my first reaction too. But, as CK pointed out yesterday, the momentum’s on our side, and refusing to attend would damage that momentum. So the question is how to restructure the event to neutralize its threat. First, reject Obama as the moderator. Second, recast it from a town hall show format to a debate between Obama and Ryan, as the GOP spokesman, with a very few followup questions from the rest of the GOP at the end.

Can Ryan handle it? I think so. He’ll certainly do better than 90% of the rest of the GOP asking talking point questions for the TV cameras.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM

At this point I don’t know how they decline.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Makes me feel better. I’ve come to that position very reluctantly, and still not real comfortable with it. It’s clearly an Obamatrap and I have a very bad feeling about even getting near it. But I’m persuaded the damage from a no-show would exceed the risks of making an appearance, provided we can restructure the event into basically an Obama v. Ryan debate with a ‘neutral’ moderator, as Krauthammer suggests.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Republicans will be absolute fools to take part in this- so no doubt they will, under some foolish notion of bipartisanship and, perhaps, a hankering for some media time.

They need to tell Obama no- and assert loudly and publicly as often as possible that comprehensive health care reform is a mistake. They need to push the idea that changing such a large and complex part of the economy can only be done one step at a time. Offer up tort reform and opening up inter-state competition as two places to start. If Democrats want more they need to be able to sell each individual idea to the American people- not hide them in a 2000 plus page bill that no one will have time to read or examine before being voted on.

Given HCR’s polling numbers this is an easy sell- even Republicans should be able to do it. Remember more than 80% of people like the coverage they have- and the state of the economy is such that more spending will only serve to hurry the USA down the road to financial ruin even faster.

Keep it simple, GOP, for goodness sake- and the sake of America.

Jay Mac on February 13, 2010 at 12:27 PM

If I ran the GOP I would have two rules:

1) It is infront of an audience
2) It is not in the DC area.

lavell12 on February 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Channel Nancy Reagan: “JUST SAY NO!”

SouthernGent on February 13, 2010 at 12:31 PM

This is the kind of crap the GOP gets themselves into when they shift from doing what is right to wanting people to like them.
If I may, our founders did not try to appease King George! Our founders did not design our constitution to appease the public! They did not create the Bill of Rights to be loved by the people! When they crafted the Declaration of Independence they did not create a Declaration of bipartisanship! Or a Declaration of commonality or friendship or of fairness for all! It was their own death warrant they were signing! They pledged their properties, fortunes and lives to stand on a principle of self governance! Is there anyone left in congress that understand that?

I realize the GOP has been sticking together and making some improvements, but they still do not at times seem to be understanding the role they need to play! They have not been sent to Washington to “get things done!” They are there to defend the greatest document ever written outside of the Bible! That being, the United States Constitution!

A free Christian America never had to appease a single nation to rise to the greatest power on this earth! A free Christian America never had to reach out to a particular group or avoid offending any other people to attract the millions that have come to our shores!
If the GOP continues to stand for freedom and our founding principles it will not have to worry about appearing bipartisan to the nation! If the GOP continues to defend our Bill of Rights and limited government and articulates those ideas and policies effectively, it will not have to worry about attracting voters! They will come! The money will flow!
Just as strong free America never has to worry about losing its appeal to all those who yearn for freedom around the globe, so too a political party that is strong and clearly represents the values of a strong free America will never lose its appeal to citizens around this nation!

JellyToast on February 13, 2010 at 12:32 PM

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM

“No” is tempting but I still think the Republicans have the upper hand. Their ideas are better and haven’t gotten a lot of publicity. They don’t have any bribes of members or healthcare players attached to their plan. To have this meeting then sneak their bill through with some pretzel form of reconciliation is a p.r. disaster for the Democrats. I have also noticed that when the press portrays the president of giving a masterful performance they are usually by themselves in that belief. It make take a day or two but the cracks appear.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:32 PM

If they don’t go the MSM will have a field day with the Party Of NO meme and the Republicans never had any ideas, just like we told you.
They should go, but not agree to anything or walk out in disgust.

redridinghood on February 13, 2010 at 12:33 PM

But, as CK pointed out yesterday, the momentum’s on our side, and refusing to attend would damage that momentum.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM

I have to respectfully disagree, pete. I think America considers the health care monstrosity dead (after having dealt it something like 8 death blows, already, only to see it revived and resumed by an insane Indonesian and the useful idiots on the Hill) and just doesn’t even understand why there would be a meeting about the fate of a dead bill and a hated idea.

The GOP should leave their chairs empty. There is nothing to talk to The Precedent or the idiot dems about.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:34 PM

He’s trying to reinforce the professorial, cool, detached image.

a capella on February 13, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Capo, didn’t you get the memo? The DEMLIBPROG arbiters of PC have uncovered more code. The latest code word discovery: professor = uppity = racist. That is, at least when it is used by Tea Party folks (aka whitey, those minorities participating in Tea Party events are Uncle Toms and Oreos) in reference to The Won.

I presume you did get them memo on the other recent code discovery, pickup truck = racist.

novaculus on February 13, 2010 at 12:34 PM

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM

You raise excellent points, most about momentum. I see that, and anticipate this get-together is an attempt to shut down the momentum. The GOP can use this if they’re smart, but I don’t believe that are.

I’d be willing to change my view if the GOP does things like NVN did during the Paris Peace Talks–maybe argue about the size and shape of the conference table, so to speak? I also like another HA poster’s idea of the GOP buying air time the night before, to explain the Party’s view clearly without interruption or nitpicking of details. Nitpicking is the Dem way of doing things, going from nit to nit to eventually throw off the topic.

Your idea about one person of the delegation presenting the case is a good one, too. The other GOP delegates don’t argue themselves, but let one person speak for them. Other points to defend should be handled quietly to the designated speaker for the GOP side.

But…this matter can’t be resolved in one single day, in one get-together. I still think it’s a death traps as the Dems are setting the agenda. Maybe–just maybe–this can be made to work for us. If the GOP is smart enough, going in with a solid plan, I might change my mind.

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

If they don’t go the MSM will have a field day with the Party Of NO meme and the Republicans never had any ideas, just like we told you.
They should go, but not agree to anything or walk out in disgust.

redridinghood on February 13, 2010 at 12:33 PM

And still end up being labeled ‘the party of no’.

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Makes me feel better. I’ve come to that position very reluctantly, and still not real comfortable with it. It’s clearly an Obamatrap and I have a very bad feeling about even getting near it. But I’m persuaded the damage from a no-show would exceed the risks of making an appearance, provided we can restructure the event into basically an Obama v. Ryan debate with a ‘neutral’ moderator, as Krauthammer suggests.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM

I don’t trust the communist at all. It’s like trusting a crocodile hoping that he will eat you last.
The GOP can get away with being the party of no, especially on health care. It’s a trap. No means no.

nyx on February 13, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Obama officially invites GOP, Dems to health-care summit

You’ve never needed them before, I mean you won didn’t you? What’s changed to make you consider talking to them now? Ever hear the term “Day late and a dollar short?” Hang in there sport cause we’re winning, and you’re not invited.

Oldnuke on February 13, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Healthcare Summit ? ?

Hasn’t both Houses of Congress been exactly this for about 12 months ?

The Republicans are “Members” of Congress, OBAMA is the only one that HAS TO BE INVITED . . . .you know, the SOTU speech was an Invite to “O” by Congress.

If it not a Tradition, lets don’t CHANGE it to suit the Marxist Harvard Grad (=Retard)

JayTee on February 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM

I don’t believe the president will allow himself to get into a debate with Rep. Ryan although I would buy tickets to Mr. Krauthammer’s idea. Maybe I am underestimating the president and I know that I definitely swim against the tide with my belief that he is a light weight.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM

They should all drive there in pick up trucks.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM

The president will then moderate discussion on four topics: insurance reforms, cost containment, expanding coverage, and the impact health reform legislation will have on deficit reduction, the letter stated.

Besides the participants and structure, there’s the agenda. Will the Pubs offer their own, or simply accede? Hint: does absence of “liability reform” or the loaded phrase “impact…on deficit reduction” sound just peachy?

I’m agnostic.

Barnestormer on February 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM

And still end up being labeled ‘the party of no’.

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:36 PM

but with big cojones ….which could be impressive.

It’s all in the way they play the game.

redridinghood on February 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM

“No” is tempting but I still think the Republicans have the upper hand. Their ideas are better and haven’t gotten a lot of publicity.

But, getting publicity is not a reason to help revive a dead health care bill that is un-Constitutonal and never should have been considered, in the first place. If the GOP doesn’t get their message out about health care, so what? Americans don’t even want to hear about health care.

They don’t have any bribes of members or healthcare players attached to their plan. To have this meeting then sneak their bill through with some pretzel form of reconciliation is a p.r. disaster for the Democrats.

Dems don’t care. They are toast, anyway. The Congressional dems thought, when they first allied with The Precedent, that they were joining in on a robbery – a rape of the tresury and of wealthy people. But what they have finally figured out is that The Precedent isn’t looking to go rob the bank, he’s wearing a suicide vest and is just looking to destroy the bank and kill everyone around it – which includes his dem accomplices.

I have also noticed that when the press portrays the president of giving a masterful performance they are usually by themselves in that belief. It make take a day or two but the cracks appear.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:32 PM

That’s very true, and most Americans no longer buy the idiocy and un-American nature of The Precedent. But this is no reason to lend any sort of credibility or legitimacy to the health scare monstrosity, which is more akin to treason than to health care reform. The GOP would have to be insane to participate in anything that lends any sort of legitimacy to the Precedential/Dem insanity that is the zombie health scare bill. Let it die.

It’s far more important for the GOP to work on stopping the murder of our nation via global warming crap and enviro-lunacy. That is what is important, now. Let the idiot left talk amonst themselves about their health scare. All the GOP has to say about it, if asked, is that it is un-Consitutional and stupid and not even worth looking at, as that is the honest truth.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM

What can the Dems possibly hope to accomplish in a half-day summit – what to have for lunch? The Republicans should call them on the brevity of this meeting, and show up with a detailed schedule guaranteed to take several days of negotiations. Make the Dems commit the time to actually discussing and working out the issues – if that’s what they really want to do.

Mr. Pickles on February 13, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I have to respectfully disagree, pete. I think America considers the health care monstrosity dead …

The GOP should leave their chairs empty. There is nothing to talk to The Precedent or the idiot dems about.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:34 PM

My heart’s sure with ya, but my pea brain hurts. How about we figure a way to show up, and set up pre-conditions to walk out before it’s over? A walk-out might be just the ticket, if done well.

In a better world, we’d just tell the Bamster to pound sand, then forget about it.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Maybe I am underestimating the president and I know that I definitely swim against the tide with my belief that he is a light weight.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM

You are correct that The PRecedent is a lightweight. Actually, he would have to improve to be a lightweight. The Precedent is a fairly stupid azz with a bad attitude and not an ounce of American sensibilities about him. He is a joke. But, that’s what affirmative action picks usually are. But, even in the realm of affirmative action, The Precedent is historically pathetic, inept, and just plain stupid.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Sorry, I realize that my comment may appear like a rude complaint to Ed. It’s not…

Buy Danish on February 13, 2010 at 12:50 PM

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 12:48 PM

A walk out is a nice idea, but the GOP would never have the guts for that. I still am very, very, very much in favor of the GOP not attending. I see no reason to bother talking about dead legislation or an issue that America just doesn’t care about.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM

This already has been debated and Obama and the libs lost. Remember, if Coakley won in MA, Obama would have signed the bill on the morning of his SOTU.

There is just flat out no point in meeting over a dead horse.

If I were the GOP leadership, I would schedule a jobs conference at the same time with leaders of the business community and invite the Dem’s to participate if they would like.

tatersalad on February 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Kabuki

ted c on February 13, 2010 at 11:00 AM

With out reading all the previous comments, I think this whole scenerio is a “frog and the scorpion” situation where even a desperate Obama, (scorpion), to get across the river of electoral discontent, will sting the frog. It’s just their nature and they really can’t help it.

Rovin on February 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM

It’s not that I don’t sympathize with your view but after 14 months of “the adults are in charge” when clearly they are not, I just can’t encourage them not to go. I agree that the Bill is dead along with the Democrat reelection chances. I think the Republican’s standing toe to toe with the president shows they are ready to be back, if not in the majority, an insurmountable minority.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM

The GOP can use this if they’re smart, but I don’t believe that are.
Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

That my biggest worry too. When it comes to tactics, we are the stupid party.

I’d be willing to change my view if the GOP does things like NVN did during the Paris Peace Talks–maybe argue about the size and shape of the conference table, so to speak?
Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Yep, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a walk-out upon pre-defined, pre-publicized conditions… for example, if it’s found Obama has a secret deal in his pocket, or they plan to ram something through by reconciliation, we could use the event to announce that finding for all the world to see, then march out as a response to Obama’s bad faith dealings. Set ‘em up for a walk-out.

I also like another HA poster’s idea of the GOP buying air time the night before
Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Me too.

But…this matter can’t be resolved in one single day, in one get-together. I still think it’s a death traps as the Dems are setting the agenda.
Liam on February 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

You’re right, this event is not designed to settle anything about health care. It’s a PR stunt designed to demonstrate moderates and independents that the GOP is the party of no.

It’s clearly an Obamatrap. Don’t let them paint us as the party of no. Make them paint us as the party of hell no. Showing up carries big risks, but it has good upside potential too, if it’s restructured so we can turn BO’s PR stunt into a PR stunt of our own.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:05 PM

but with big cojones ….which could be impressive.

It’s all in the way they play the game.

redridinghood on February 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Actually, it’ll end up more being how the MSM presents it all.

Not attending: party of no

Attending, but debating: party of no

Attending, debating, and walking out: party of no, in a huff

Attending, debating, agreeing: party of no finally buckles and therefore, by extension, has no credibility. Vote Democrat!

If we had an unbiased press, this would all be different. But we don’t. So I can’t see a ‘win’ for the GOP no matter what. Which is why I say they stay away, present their own case where they can, and deny the Dems any chance to make them look bad. The way i live my life, I rather look bad on my own and learn from it, than end up looking worse because I gave my enemies chance to make look that way.

To add a hint of humor: I can screw up on my own, thank ye very much. I don’t need anyone’s help. LOL

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 1:07 PM

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