Obama officially invites GOP, Dems to health-care summit

posted at 10:55 am on February 13, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The invitations have gone out to leadership in both parties to attend Barack Obama’s ostensibly bipartisan summit on health care.  Is this the event of the social season, a political debate, or Kabuki theater?  Depending on who answers, it seems that no one is quite sure what to expect from any of the participants, assuming the debate takes place at all:

The White House formally invited Republicans on Friday to attend a health-care summit Feb. 25, calling it “the next step” in the process of reforming the country’s broken health insurance system and pledging to post the text of a reform proposal online before the gathering.

In a letter to lawmakers, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the half-day meeting at Blair House would include the top Democratic and Republican congressional leaders and the ranking members in committees that deal with health care.

Outlining the format for a session some Republicans have derided as little more than political theater, the Obama advisers said both parties would be allowed to invite four other members each to the discussion, to begin at 10 a.m. and be televised live.

This comes after leaks on Capitol Hill assert that Democrats have already agreed on the “trick” to push the current Senate bill through the House and use reconciliation for a series of tax and spending fixes demanded by Nancy Pelosi’s progressive caucus.  That would make the summit entirely moot, as any agreement reached for a new, bipartisan approach at the summit would require the reintroduction of amended bills to both chambers — essentially starting the process from Step 1 over again.   Republicans have already called foul on this development, and demanded that Democrats tear up the existing bills as a prerequisite for the debate:

A statement from Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner.

“This leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Are they excluding governors, state legislators, CBO, and rank-and-file congressional Democrats who have opposed Obamacare and are the reason the president hasn’t had a bill to sign? Are Congressional Democrats still working behind closed doors with White House support on a ‘pre-negotiated package’ that can be rammed through Congress after the summit via legislative tricks? Or are they willing to start over with a blank sheet of paper? We need answers before we know if the White House is more interested in partisan theater than in facilitating a productive dialogue about solutions.”

The structure of the debate also should raise some eyebrows.  Obama’s invitation makes him the moderator of the event, which is a risible notion.  Obama has hardly maintained an independent position over the past several months, openly cheerleading Democratic ideas while ignoring (until forced to recognize) competing Republican proposals:

The format of the Feb. 25 summit has the feel of a quasi-debate, at least at the beginning. The president will give opening remarks, followed by remarks from a Republican leader and a Democratic leader, according to the letter.

The president will then moderate discussion on four topics: insurance reforms, cost containment, expanding coverage, and the impact health reform legislation will have on deficit reduction, the letter stated.

In any political debate, having a moderator with an explicit interest in the outcome is completely unacceptable.  How hard would it have been to find a retired elder statesperson to act as moderator?  Howard Baker, Lee Hamilton, Bob Dole, and even Bill Frist comes to mind here, although Frist may have been too recent for the comfort of Democrats.  Someone could have gotten on the phone with former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor to ask if she was available.

Obama’s political standing as President hangs in the balance on the outcome of his all-in on health care.  Let him argue along with the Democrats on the panel, but if Obama’s moderating, it will be less of a bipartisan debate than a “Welcome to the parlor, said the spider to the fly” arrangement.

I’ve got a better idea.  If Obama wants to truly find a bipartisan arrangement, then let him meet with the leaders of both parties at the White House and run the meeting in a manner that will find one, rather than concoct a ridiculous structure that will produce nothing but another photo op for himself.  If he wants an open debate, let’s put off the ObamaCare debate until after the midterm elections and let the candidates debate it on the stump in every Congressional district and state.  We’ll see by the election results who wins that debate.

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Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM

I hear you, Cindy. We just disagree on how best to deal with this situation. Not a terrible disagreement, though, since the GOP going to the meeting is not that big of a risk, as The Precedent and the dems are going to try whatever they are going to try, independent of anything the GOP does outside of Congress.

However, the GOP attending does lend some legitimacy to the idea that the health scare is not really dead (though the GOP has no actual impact on that, outside of the filibuster, when it’s available). I don’t find that fatal, but I find it unconstructive, at best.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Obama loves the open debate meme because you can always seem to win debates when you are not constrained by the truth!

Christian Conservative on February 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:05 PM

I’m not a Pub; the Party hasn’t represented me for 20 years. I’m not conservative because of the GOP. I’m conservative because I believe in Original Intent. Remember, too–I used to be a hard-core liberal.

I’m bored with PR stunts, really. I want my government to do right by the Constitution, and that alone. Yes, I know–American politics has always involved public relations.

About the only PR I want is what a candidate will do to help get government off our backs and out of our wallets. We get a government like that, the rest will take care of itself.

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I don’t believe the president will allow himself to get into a debate with Rep. Ryan…

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Good point. You’re probably right. So let’s showcase the Bamster’s refusal to engage in a fair and balanced debate.

Beyond that, I profoundly dread the prospect of a townhall-like forum with Obama lecturing, schooling us from on high in front of the TV cameras. I can’t think of any way we could expect to emerge undamaged from a forum structured like that.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Make a counter offer. Say you’ll attend if the White House and Senate/House Dems make a public pledge not to use reconcilliation to pass any part of a heath care bill.

PackerBronco on February 13, 2010 at 1:17 PM

The idea is to let republicans tinker with the fringes of the already approved dem scheme so as to give the process the patina of bipartisanship…Republicans should speak with one voice and be very clear that the existing schemes are not acceptable…they do not need tweeking but burial.

JIMV on February 13, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM

And I woudl add to my response, above, a reiteration of a point I made earlier:

Americans don’t care about health care legislation right now. Not in the least. If the dems want to do something on health care, then they can start work on getting that $500 billion in “Medicare waste” and taking projected spending DOWN. They based their idiotic plans on this existing, so they can do this, and they have no reason not to.

If the GOP just stuck to that message, the dems would shut up about health scare. The Precedent wouldn’t be stopped, as his motivations for pushing this are far different from those of the useful idiots on the Hill, but Congress would seriously abandon him – as they are trying to do, now. A GOP non-attendance would help push that dem rev0lt. They are the dems’ “Green Rev0lution”.

(I almost missed the moderation words! PC sucks.)

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM

nyx on February 13, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Who said anything about trusting him? Yep, it would be like trusting a crocodile to eat you last.

As you suggest, it’s not designed to be a substantive dialogue, but rather a PR stunt. What I’m wondering is how to turn Obama’s PR stunt into a table-turning PR stunt of our own.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Maybe it is because I wasn’t angry enough at the Republicans to vote Democrat or stay home but I stay in a complete state of shock at where this country is in the space of 14 months. I just keep saying to myself, “Really?” Seriously, what the firetruck is going on?

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM

The chances are all too good for my tastes that hindsight will show you closer to right on this than me. Thanks for the insights. I’m quite unsettled over what I think about this. Not a happy camper over the whole thing either. I feel like we’ve been Alinskied.

Mr. Obama, will you kiss me?

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Has anybody notice that the two of the biggest suggestions by the Republicans, tort reform and interstate purchasing power, are never addressed? The tort reform, I believe has a record of success in Texas and California, and variations of Obamacare have records of failure in Tennessee, Maine and Massachusetts. But when they are mentioned Democrats do that “interesting” thing and move on. Suggests to me that they know they are winners but go against their contributing base.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM

notice = noticed. Sorry.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:33 PM

This is pointless political theater aimed at showing the Republicans as servants of Obama. Our President is no mediator, but he plays one on TV.

Republicans have not agreed to waste one dollar on a new entitlement or close one insurance company, as of today; and by not going, they keep that victory intact. If they can’t explain that as a win, perhaps they’re not really ready for prime time, either.

Chris_Balsz on February 13, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Liam on February 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I understand. It seems our nature, as conservatives and libertarians, to live-and-let-live, and focus on doing the right thing in the faith that the rest will take care of itself.

I was a lefty too, until my mid-30′s. Reagan won me over.

As you say, I also want a government that restores Constitutional government. First we need to get it elected.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Make a counter offer. Say you’ll attend if the White House and Senate/House Dems make a public pledge not to use reconcilliation to pass any part of a heath care bill.

PackerBronco on February 13, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Cantor and Boehner already tried that with their initial letter. The Dems sinply ignore what the GOP says and proceeds to set out the groundrules.

Wethal on February 13, 2010 at 1:42 PM

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Heh. I like your walk-out idea, but I don’t think that’s in the realm of possibilities.

All-in-all, this is just going to be a blip, anyway. The Precedent is already starting to move on reinvigorating the enviro-attack on us (I love the way he’s glomming onto global warming, at the moment – it’s freaking hysterical) so I think health scare will either just fade into the background or the dems will do something really, really, really stupid.

We’ll see. The effect of the last “summit” was about zero.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Suggests to me that they know they are winners but go against their contributing base.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Suggests the same to me. Tort reform and interstate insurance are prospective home runs. The left knows it, and prefers it kept under the carpet.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Cantor and Boehner already tried that with their initial letter. The Dems sinply ignore what the GOP says and proceeds to set out the groundrules.

Wethal on February 13, 2010 at 1:42 PM

If it’s one think the GOP knows how to do, and do well, it’s…

R o l l . O v e r

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:49 PM

Is Obama going to have his coconut shells there for his shell game and take bets as well? This is a trap being orchestrated by a conman who happens to be the President of the United States.

Weber48IDA on February 13, 2010 at 1:53 PM

They should all drive there in pick up trucks
Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM

There you go Cindy..great idea. Hopefully, they take a copy of the 2000+ page scam that the Democrats have ready to ram down our throats and a copy of the Republican Health Plan as a visual for the C-Span viewers.

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Hopefully, they take a copy of the 2000+ page scam that the Democrats have ready to ram down our throats and a copy of the Republican Health Plan yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Yes, please copies for everyone. And I mean every member of the press. I know visuals (pickup and 2000 page Bills) are cheap showmanship but they work.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 2:24 PM

are cheap showmanship but they work
Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Our Congressman will be in the area for a dinner in the next and I will have an opportunity to tell him about the paper props…love the pickup idea!!!

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:30 PM

in the next week and

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:31 PM

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Our guys are so dumb sometimes. During the Christmas break I tried to get my representative to have town halls to get the public dissatisfaction back into the news but he wrote back and whined about how big his district is and that telephone townhalls were more efficient. What a horse’s patoot, have more then one. No grasp of the big picture.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 2:36 PM

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Our guys are so dumb sometimes. During the Christmas break I tried to get my representative to have town halls to get the public dissatisfaction back into the news but he wrote back and whined about how big his district is and that telephone townhalls were more efficient. What a horse’s patoot, have more then one. No grasp of the big picture.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 2:36 PM

What “next step”? The next step is to put flowers on the grave of Obamunism health care.

Mojave Mark on February 13, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Where’s the hard pivot?

ConDem on February 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Obama as “moderator”? He’ll never be moderate about running his mouth.

This is crap; walk away.

ya2daup on February 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Hmmm, the bipartisan summit to elicit the best ideas quickly turns to a debate with a partisan inexperienced moderator where the outcome has already been decided by Senate Democrats. Did I get that right?

katablog.com on February 13, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Our guys are so dumb sometimes. During the Christmas break I tried to get my representative to have town halls to get the public dissatisfaction back into the news but he wrote back and whined about how big his district is and that telephone townhalls were more efficient. What a horse’s patoot, have more then one. No grasp of the big picture.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Nebraskan politicians better “get it”, because they saw what happened to Ben Nelson. I told my Representative last November during a meeting that people are very angry and Washington D.C. had better start listening to us. He told me that anger is no way to get things done. My comment was, “You want to make a bet?” The very next month, Nelson made his famous YES vote on the Healthcare Plan and he found out how angry we are. Believe me, they better listen to us.

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

but I stay in a complete state of shock at where this country is in the space of 14 months. I just keep saying to myself, “Really?” Seriously, what the firetruck is going on?

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM

If misery loves company, consider yourself very miserable. There’s a lot of us saying the same thing. It’s truly unbelievable that our beloved country could deteriorate so quickly.

katablog.com on February 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM

I told my Representative last November during a meeting that people are very angry and Washington D.C. had better start listening to us. He told me that anger is no way to get things done.

No, trade your vote for the biggest bad of goodies – that’s the way to get “things” done these days. They have all forgotten that they work for us. This Obamacare summit proves that when 65% of Americans want the Senate and House to start over. They ain’t listening and furthermore couldn’t care less.

katablog.com on February 13, 2010 at 2:59 PM

You foolish Republicans losers, please attend with two large slices of bread , cos you are the meat in the Obama sandwich. Your going get your backsides kicked back to Sunday by giving the loser a chance to screw you over. You just cannot win this one, NO ,NO NO.

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Sandybourne on February 13, 2010 at 3:17 PM

No, trade your vote for the biggest bad of goodies – that’s the way to get “things” done these days. They have all forgotten that they work for us. This Obamacare summit proves that when 65% of Americans want the Senate and House to start over. They ain’t listening and furthermore couldn’t care less.

katablog.com on February 13, 2010 at 2:59 PM

If they don’t listen, then we need to vote them out. Representatives come up for election every two years and as much as I like my Representative, I will vote against him in the next Primary if he gives in to the Democrats scheme. It might take a few elections, but Politicians will figure out that they work for us and we will vote them out if they aren’t listening.

yoda on February 13, 2010 at 3:20 PM

If the dems want to do something on health care, then they can start work on getting that $500 billion in “Medicare waste” and taking projected spending DOWN.

neurosculptor on February 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM

That’s not waste waste. It’s more like statutory waste. (There has to be a new statute–2000 pages or so, I believe).

Barnestormer on February 13, 2010 at 3:53 PM

…what the firetruck is going on?

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Uh oh, Cindy is mad. (As we all are.)

publiuspen on February 13, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Stand back and have the courage to watch the S.S. Liberalism sink!!!!!

Don’t rescue the crew or the Captain here!!!!

PappyD61 on February 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM

As you suggest, it’s not designed to be a substantive dialogue, but rather a PR stunt. What I’m wondering is how to turn Obama’s PR stunt into a table-turning PR stunt of our own.

petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM

That won’t happen. The Media is in the pocket of the Democrats and they set the narrative. Even if the GOP stunt is PR genius, they are still going to be labeled the party of no.

nyx on February 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM

As long as reconciliation is still on the table…this is a waste of time.

Republicans can still bypass the image of the “party of no” by hammering this daily.

1. Tear up the bill/reconciliation has to be off the table

2. Equal time (the Presidents time is considered “democratic time”)

3. Independent moderator

4. Demand follow up time to each question to keep Obama from filibustering and evading questions.


5. Demand that the democrats reveal what deals were made behind closed doors with lobbyist and other officials they met with.


6. No limits on what can be discussed concerning the Health Bill.This bill effects a lot more than the 4 areas that Obama wants to pigeon hole it in(quality of care,legal issues like the government forcing people to accept this or face severe penalties,the failure of government run health care in other countries…..)

No need to run from Obama….we have the facts and the people on our side with this.

The question is,does the GOP have the Cheney balls to call Obama out on this 3 card Monty, demand consensus on the platform /conditions,and put the right people up there to call him out on his lies.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM

The GOP had better fight like hell, even in front of the cameras, to represent and relay the message that the majority of Americans want the fascists and BHO to hear – Start From The Beginning!!

Even harder if the fascists and BHO try to Plan B the public.

madmonkphotog on February 13, 2010 at 6:40 PM

This whole Health Care bill was crafted behind closed doors with lobbyist and special interest,Republicans locked out of negotiations,and parlor tricks to make the CBO numbers look better.

The American public hates this a lot more than the “party of no” line the democrats are pushing.

This is a perfect platform to expose this on the National stage..especially since OBama is still doing the governments business in the shadows:

(via Drudge)

President Obama Signs Law Raising Public Debt Limit from $12.4 Trillion to $14.3 Trillion
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/02/president-obama-signs-law-raising-public-debt-limit-from-124-trillion-to-143-trillion.html

Behind closed doors and with no cameras present, President Obama signed into law Friday afternoon the bill raising the public debt limit from $12.394 trillion to $14.294 trillion.

..and Obama is setting in motion the type of “dictatorship” policies that he and liberals accused Bush of for 8 years.
Obama knows that he cannot get his liberal agenda passed by congressional means so he will now use the “executive privilage” that liberals are on record for over 8 years accusing Bush of with lines like “subverting our Constitution” and bypassing the checks and balances of our system:

Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power
By PETER BAKER
Published: February 12, 2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html

WASHINGTON — With much of his legislative agenda stalled in Congress, President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities.

This corrupt and secretive avenue the democrats have elected to take in doing the peoples business is totally against the “open” and “transparent” way of conducting business Obama promised the American people.
The American people do not believe what the President is saying anymore and this should be hammered home aggressively concerning this Health Care Debate.

The Republicans should also ask for more time since the terms have just now been publicized and the Health Care bill is yet to be made available.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM

I seriously doubt the ability of Eric Cantor to take on the Obama Health Care Machine. The Republicans need a very good stradegy session. In fact, they need someone like Rush or Beck to give them some tips; however, I know that Cantor is very threatened by Rush, and he would not be open to any worthwhile guidance. To me, it appears that the Republicans will be going into the lions den waving a stick. If the Repubs crap this up, I just don’t know what will happen.

mobydutch on February 13, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Repubs:
“Mr. Pinnochio,
Healthscare? Seems the people of West Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts have spoken loudly, along with most other states that Healthcare is DEAD and the people prefer that we work on reducing the deficit and generating jobs.
A good start to reducing the deficit would be to work on cutting the waste in Medicare. Therefore we respectfully submit that we cannot attend this summitt as the science is settled and the public does not want us messing with their Healthcare! We would be glad to meet with you in Dec. 2010 to discuss our plans, until then…. NO THANKS!”

dhunter on February 13, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM

You’re forgetting that the Dems and the MSM don’t care about the facts! If they did, we wouldn’t still be talking about Global Warming or Obamacare.

flytier on February 13, 2010 at 11:22 PM

IMNSHO Bambi & Co. have no ethics and no morals. I deign to insult weasels by comparison.

The greater separation Republicans can produce from Democrats, the better. D’rats are all in for socialism/fascism/progressiveism or anything but the 230+ years of American success. D’rats intend to change America into a pasture for D’rat graze and defecation.

Ain’t gonna happen. Since last April, Americans have calmly, happily and, at their own expense exposed the failure of Teh Won.

Now it is only two years and eleven months to Official Rejection. Even less if November is included. Rejection is a lot slower than that ‘Peachment but is longer lasting.

Party of No my A$$, PONMA, can draw every bit of PUMA to reject all the lies of Teh Won & Co. Rejection has already started in VA, NJ and MA. No “compromise” and Rejection wins in November.

Caststeel on February 14, 2010 at 5:09 AM

Christian Conservative on February 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM
petefrt on February 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM
nyx on February 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Like walking through the jungle and passing the body parts of prior meals.

You don’t have to go back as far as the debates or the campaign to see how this will work.

REMEMBER THE ATTACK ON THE SUPREME COURT IN THE SOTU???

He misunderstood the ruling (or lied), insulted them to their faces, Dems cheered and the media gave him an Annie Oakley. (Annie Oakley is a complete pass).

Fight fire with fire! I posted an idea. You should, too. THE GOP needs to do courageous, cheap grandstanding.

It distracts the dragon the Dems ride. (Dragon: The media and pop culture)

IlikedAUH2O on February 14, 2010 at 7:42 AM

A meeting – like Solozzo and McCluskey meeting Michael at Louie’s Restaurant in the Bronx???

Only, who plays what part? If the Republicans are Michael (and Clemenza can hide the gun behind the toilet), I’d say go for it.

If not, then we go to the mattresses.

J.J. Sefton on February 14, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Apparently, they have convinced Boehner that it is “reconciliation” …

A productive bipartisan discussion should begin with a clean sheet of paper. We now know that instead of starting the ‘bipartisan’ health care ’summit’ on Feb. 25 with a clean sheet of paper, the president and his party intend to arrive with a new bill written behind closed doors exclusively by Democrats — a backroom deal that will transform one-sixth of our nation’s economy and affect every family and small business in America. They will then engage a largely handpicked audience in a televised ‘dialogue’ according to a script they have largely pre-determined. They will do this as a precursor to embarking on a legislative course that Democratic congressional aides acknowledge has also been pre-determined — a partisan course that relies on parliamentary tricks to circumvent the will of the American people and engineer a pre-determined outcome. It doesn’t sound much like bipartisanship to me.

For the weak minded, that’s a NO to the health care summit.

J_Crater on February 14, 2010 at 9:54 AM

I told my Representative last November during a meeting that people are very angry and Washington D.C. had better start listening to us. He told me that anger is no way to get things done.

Really?
No way to get things done, ever? Never?
Ask him if we should have been angry over 9/11. I would like to read his response to that during a public forum.
I don’t know, I bet a lot of Americans were angry over Pearl Harbor. I know Jimmy Doolittle was. Anger can be a great motivator. When he loses his next election send him a card to let him know he was really wrong about that.

JellyToast on February 14, 2010 at 1:34 PM

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