Did Palin’s position “deteriorate significantly” in WaPo/ABC poll?
posted at 7:03 pm on February 11, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
The Washington Post claims that its latest polling that Sarah Palin’s polling position has “deteriorated significantly” in its latest polling, which has created two types of mail in my in-box this afternoon. One type accuses me of not reporting the news because it’s bad for Palin, and the other accuses me of planning to report the news because it’s bad for Palin. The only trouble with both theories is that the poll numbers didn’t really change all that much:
Two-thirds of Americans are “dissatisfied” or downright “angry” about the way the federal government is working, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. On average, the public estimates that 53 cents of every tax dollar they send to Washington is “wasted.”
Despite the disapproval of government, few Americans say they know much about the “tea party” movement, which emerged last year and attracted voters angry at a government they thought was spending recklessly and overstepping its constitutional powers. And the new poll shows that the political standing of former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who was the keynote speaker last week at the first National Tea Party Convention, has deteriorated significantly.
The opening is clear: Public dissatisfaction with how Washington operates is at its highest level in Post-ABC polling in more than a decade — since the months after the Republican-led government shutdown in 1996 — and negative ratings of the two major parties hover near record highs.
But nearly two-thirds of those polled say they know just some, very little or nothing about what the tea party movement stands for. About one in eight says they know “a great deal” about the positions of tea party groups, but the lack of information does not erase the appeal: About 45 percent of all Americans say they agree at least somewhat with tea partiers on issues, including majorities of Republicans and independents.
Which national politician has the most identification with the Tea Party movement? Sarah Palin, of course, who spoke at the Tea Party Nation convention this past week. If the Republicans and independents feel so positively about the movement that Palin supports so strongly, does it make any sense that Palin’s standing among the same people would “deteriorate significantly”?
Well, no, because it hasn’t, at least not that much. The WaPo/ABC poll in November showed Palin’s numbers as 43/52, and the previous July at 40/53 (among adults, not registered or likely voters). This poll has her at 37/55, drifting a bit from November but within the MOE of July’s numbers, right after she resigned as governor. The one caveat I’d attach to that is that those earlier samples were ridiculously tilted in favor of Democrats, with 11- and 14-point gaps, while Democrats have a six-point advantage in this poll. I’d expect to see a bump upwards with the more realistic sample, but it’s more statistical noise than a “significant deterioration of support.”
In comparison, let’s see how the Post reported Obama’s approval ratings:
Obama’s overall approval rating is holding steady, with 51 percent of respondents giving him positive marks and 46 percent rating him negatively.
Here are Obama’s approval/disapproval from the same surveys as those on Palin:
- 2/8/10 (this week): 51/46
- 11/15/09: 56/42
- 7/18/09: 59/37
In the three-month period, Obama lost nine points in the gap to Palin’s nine, and in the seven-month period losing 17 points to Palin’s five. Which person’s position has “deteriorated significantly” in that comparison? If Palin’s is a significant deterioration, then Obama’s is a free-fall, not “holding steady.” It appears that the Post has a much different standard for analyzing a politician who hasn’t yet committed to run for any office yet and the President of the United States, and that may be as it should — but the POTUS should be held to the higher standard.
Addendum: Happy birthday to Gov. Palin, too.
Update: I dropped in on some comment threads last night to let people know that Allahpundit is on vacation, but I figured this was a good post to use to remind everyone and let people know who hadn’t heard. He’ll be back on Monday.









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That makes no sense that people would complain that you aren’t posting enough about Palin, if they dislike her. Who was it, the White House?
chunderroad on February 11, 2010 at 8:24 PM
51% approval? On what planet is that?
angryed on February 11, 2010 at 8:24 PM
Polls.
HornetSting on February 11, 2010 at 8:25 PM
Pluto. But to be fair, its not a planet anymore and its questionable whether it will win approval as the 58th state.
El_Terrible on February 11, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Chris Wallace responds to Joe Scarborough and has praise for Sarah Palin.
KittyLowrey on February 11, 2010 at 8:34 PM
I think some Palinistas use intimidation to prevent or deflect criticism of her by using personal attacks. Thin skin syndrome apparently isn’t restricted to Obama worshipers. She isn’t perfect.
a capella on February 11, 2010 at 8:34 PM
What’d you say about me?! OH Yea?? Come here a minute.
El_Terrible on February 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Palin has spoken about less government, less taxes, more jobs, energy independence, and supporting our troops
Has she ever commented on immigration, sovereignty, open borders, foreign policy, foreign trade, or China?
Please post links if you have any references to her stand on these issues. Thanks.
PrincipledPilgrim on February 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Stop saying things like that or I will claw your eyes out!
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Brian1972 on February 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM
WaPo/ABC? It’s a wonder those two left wing rags don’t have her at 10/90. For some reason the left is scared to death of this small woman.
rplat on February 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Thanks. Worth every second. Wallace wasn’t holding back was he? The Son-of-Sam line is gonna down in the annals of world-class snark. Scarborough’s got major pie-face tonight.
RepubChica on February 11, 2010 at 8:43 PM
I question the timing of this poll.
Actually I question the sample of this poll.
Ignore the Palin questions here and look at the Obama/policy questions…
He is upside down on Health care, the Economy, the budget deficit and job creation but this sample says he is totally kicking ass on terrorism +56 to -39…Really, and he has 51 to 46% approval.
The people in this survey believe the one is more trustworthy on EVERY issue than any Repub.
The people in this survey believe the failure of DemSupermajorityCongress to pass Obamacare is entirely the Repubs fault.
The people in this survey believe are almost evenly split on the support for Obamcare.
And they overwhelmingly believe that Government should force employers to provide health insurance and that Government should force all Americans to get health insurance.
I would really like to know where they found this Dem. 32%, Repub. 26% and Ind. 39% sample that is also Lib. 24%, Mod. 36% and Conservative 37%.
They either found an entire town filled with “concern trolls” or they just called Joe Bidens house.
A. Weasel on February 11, 2010 at 8:48 PM
The irony of the liberal media using biased polling to try and diminish Palin is the following: anyone insecure enough to not want to like Palin unless “everyone else does” is a probably a Kool-aid drinking libtard to begin with. If your desire to root for whatever is popular trumps your desire to support what is right, we don’t want you on our side anyway.
Kataklysmic on February 11, 2010 at 8:49 PM
:)
I will be pleased to vote for her if she runs for president or support her if she doesn’t. I get impatient with some of her supporters, however.
a capella on February 11, 2010 at 8:53 PM
HAPPY 46th BIRFDAY TO THE WASILLY HILLBILLY!!!
She’s our own little Trailer Trash from way up norf. We luvs you Sarah Heeth Paylin.
We don’t care that yous where da wrong bracelet color, you write on your hands, you think there are only 50 states not the 57 that there really is. We forgives you for thinking that there is an Austrian language, and that Cohrman is actually prounounced CORPSE-MAN. We won’t remember that your brokes your pledge about not raising taxes on the middle class and then being an “AGNOSTIC” about those same taxes incweese. And foregets about losing them Olympics yous tried to bring to Chicaggo. Sarah was da one that did and said all that stuff right?
Yous Rocks Sarahcooter!!!
PappyD61 on February 11, 2010 at 8:55 PM
She’s a whole lot closer than whoever is in second place. Way far ahead.
If you start practicing now, by inauguration day “President Palin” will just roll off your tongue like a sweet nothing.
platypus on February 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Slightly O/T, regarding polling:
Just in case you ever wondered how they get some of those poll results…
A telephone poll called me at dinner last night. I normally just hang up on them, but just for the hell of it decided to answer. After a few neutral questions, I was asked if I was “a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or Other”. I said that I was a conservative.
The young woman conducting the poll made a few keyboard clicks, and then asked “if the congressional elections were today, would you vote for the Republican or Democrat”. I replied that I would vote for the conservative.
Again, she keyed something into her computer, and then started on the next question. Just on a whim, however, I interrupted her and asked what she had entered for my last response, since “conservative” had not been one of the choices. She replied without hesitation “Oh, I just put you down as ‘don’t care’”.
At that point I told her that the conversation was over, and that I wanted my participation in her survey cancelled. Don’t know if that happened, however, or if I was entered as another sheeple.
bofh on February 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM
A WaPo/ABC poll has the credibility of a three strike con artist. It should go straight to the circular file.
davo on February 11, 2010 at 9:10 PM
The Post has an agenda. They hope that you treat their agenda as reality. The Post agenda did not work during the Virginia gubinatorial elections. Maybe it’s time to bring George Allen, and stuff the maccaca crap up Katharine Weymouth’s ass.
BottomLine5 on February 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Hey Ed and friends–just got done watching “Miracle” about the 1980 US Hockey team that won the gold medal and beat the Soviets for the first time since 1960. This Olympics is the 30 year anniversary of that win–at a time when national malaise, Iranian hostages, energy costs, interest rates and inflation had this country in knots. This win lifted American spirits when we needed them the most and ushered in the Reagan administration.
“Who do you play for?”
ted c on February 11, 2010 at 9:13 PM
Yeah, the first is probably a measure of how much the tea partiers have been slammed in the media, the second a measure of how much people are in tune with tea party politics.
ddrintn on February 11, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Actually, it’s seemed in the past that the more Palin presents herself, the better her numbers are. The exact opposite with Obama. The guy has talked non-stop since ’08 and his numbers are falling.
ddrintn on February 11, 2010 at 9:18 PM
I don’t think so. Anninca is more even-handed about Palin. The other does nothing but snipe about Palin in every Palin thread. I noticed that she doesn’t post in other threads much – unless it’s about Palin.
Some people (on right as well as on the left) are obsessed with Sarah Palin and wish nothing but malice upon her. On another blog I read, this woman who pontificates about coming to Jesus all the time spits out such baleful, vile things about Palin. She thinks she’s a Christian, but when it comes to Sarah Palin, that it stuns me that she doesn’t even see what she is doing. She is pure viciousness when it comes to Sarah Palin.
It’s mostly women who do this. It’s got to be envy over the way men love Sarah. I’m a woman and it doesn’t bother me in the least. I trust her and she’s got the right conservative creds for me, so I’m with her.
atheling on February 11, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Yup!
KittyLowrey on February 11, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Propaganda; just like the claim that Iraq is a victory for Obama. Propaganda.
ahem on February 11, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Then quit the personal attacks on Palin. Attack her stances on the issues, not her freaking hair, or hands, or bracelets, or education, or speech patterns. Why the hell can’t you see that you’re whining about being treated exactly the same way you treat Palin?
Who among us says she is perfect? Apparently, that’s a problem you have with her, not us. We all know she’s not perfect, but her conservative principles are sound and she has a record to prove it. Show us any other pol who can say the same.
What is it with you people who can’t see that she is one of us? Or is it that you yourself is part of the elite club that can’t bear a pleb’s rise?
atheling on February 11, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Bloody hell, too much wine:
You yourself are a part…
atheling on February 11, 2010 at 9:25 PM
She’s discussed foreign policy and trade with Bill O’Reilly, Chris Wallace, and Glenn Beck. Don’t you watch and listen to any of her interviews?
I gave you names. Go to Conservatives4Palin or YouTube to hunt them down yourself.
atheling on February 11, 2010 at 9:27 PM
My favorite: “Joe lives out where the trollies don’t run at night.” LOL! Never heard that one before, but I’m going to file it away for future use.
NoLeftTurn on February 11, 2010 at 9:29 PM
It appears that some of the polling was done before her speech on Saturday night,i.e., Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Her best appearance since her vp acceptance speech was on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.
Jasper61 on February 11, 2010 at 9:34 PM
She won’t be the candidate that takes on Obama in 2012.
So who cares where she sits in the polls.
David2.0 on February 11, 2010 at 9:44 PM
Thanks for reinforcing my point.
a capella on February 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM
FTR, some info on Reagan I found will searching around Time’s site:
Seems the voters in 1980 weren’t buying this claptrap that a rock-ribbed conservative wasn’t electable. ;o)
NoLeftTurn on February 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM
The more the LSM attacks Governor Palin the more convinced I become that she must be our candidate for president in 2012. They always attack the one they fear the most. She is the only republican who makes the base go bonkers. That effect is what brings out the vote and they know it.
scrubjay on February 11, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Oh yeah, right! You’re full of it and you know it!
atheling on February 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM
You know the Palin criticism that cracks me up? It’s the “She talks about low taxes and helping small business and returning limited government, but she doesn’t say how she would do those things,” comments. These things are all as simple as they sound, and are, also, quite inseparable.
Stupid people are infatuated with the complex.
pugwriter on February 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM
The hair-trigger to responses of criticism of Palin stems from the fact that most criticism of her boils down to “she’s stupid” or “she’s unelectable”. The first is an ad hominem which plays into MSM/moonbat meme territory; the second is ridiculous 2 years away from the first primary. If you want to criticize her by saying she’d be squishy on immigration or tax policy or health care, have at it. I don’t criticize Romney or any other potential candidate for their hair or wardrobe or speech patterns or that they’re “unelectable” simply because DKos says nasty things about them.
ddrintn on February 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM
cbs/new york slimes poll – only 39% favorabilty for pantywaste obama
its great watching this loser crash and burn
sidewinder22 on February 11, 2010 at 10:31 PM
ted c on February 11, 2010 at 9:13 PM
Thank’s needed that.
heshtesh on February 11, 2010 at 10:40 PM
I am aware of that. On this thread, anniekc ventured the opinion that Palin might have needed to raise her game a bit before going back into the national spotlight. It wasn’t personal; I took it to mean she needed a bit more seasoning. I don’t happen to agree with it, but anniekc was then immediately attacked for making a punctuation error in her post and it went downhill from there. After watching the Obama worship spectacle, I get a bit uneasy when I see some of the same symptoms exhibited on our side.
a capella on February 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM
I think people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Don’t you?
atheling on February 11, 2010 at 10:52 PM
I didn’t attack her; I asked how exactly she expected Palin to “sharpen her game” or whatever the phrase was. It’s damned if she does or doesn’t, as usual; she’s learning (I hope) to “sharpen her game” by getting out there. People expect full-blown policy papers from Palin, I guess, that they don’t really expect from any others.
ddrintn on February 11, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Metro on February 11, 2010 at 11:00 PM
CUUUUUUUUUUUDA
Metro on February 11, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Look, I’m perfectly happy with Palin the way she is at ths point in the trail. Until her interview with Wallace, I thought, like Coulter, she was much more effective in making specific points in her writing rather than speeches. But, she is coming along nicely with the speeches now. I thought she took a step backward when she first started making Fox appearences and was just repeating boilerplate, but she seems to have recognized that and corrected it. She has superb political instincts but I want her at the top of her game if she does decide to run and would have to debate Obama. She’s got a lot of time for polish.
a capella on February 11, 2010 at 11:06 PM
I agree she still needs “polish”. She should probably study Margaret Thatcher’s delivery and style in interviews. Not that she needs a plummy British accent, she just needs to slow it down and focus like a laser.
ddrintn on February 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Palin is so common.
And so is her sense.
GO SARAH!
profitsbeard on February 12, 2010 at 12:23 AM
Which national politician has the most identification with the Tea Party movement?
Well that would be the same one that has the most identification with anyone in the world that wishes America to remain a republic, and that is of course Sarah Palin.
Everyone is still confusing the tea party as an entity and it is not.
It Is Americans that believe in God and the constitution and also that the future is going to be better than the past.
Sarah will become the next enigma in American history and she is indispensible.
She is mysterious, idealistic, pragmatic, misunderstood, paradoxical, hypocritical.
She is the stuff of America and thats who we, the Tea Party are, and that’s why she will be the center of our national discourse.
If there is such a thing as an American spirit the she is it.
My personal take on the way she surely thinks of our country and our people would match those thoughts of Thomas Jefferson when he said “we cannot be complacent until two conditions are met: every human being born on this continent has a right to equal, indeed identical treatment in the machine of the law, irrespective of race, gender, creed or class of origin. And secondly, everyone born on this continent has a right to roughly equal opportunity at modest prosperity. And until those conditions are met, we cannot rest. When those conditions are met, we may say, as Jefferson said he would, “Nunc dimittus”: “now you may dismiss me; my work is done.”
We are hurtling towards full blown progressivisim which some have characterized as equal to marxisim, socialisim, and leading to communisim, but personaly, I see progressivisim as more insidious than them all becuase it is is system founded and formed from trickery, lies, and manipulation.
Her work and ours has just begun.
mrcarter123 on February 12, 2010 at 1:04 AM
Maybe, maybe not, but purposely driving up the word count on ‘Palinista’ – a dubious term in the best of times – on an open forum is the bright red flag here, don’t you agree?
Like calling “our own” people names like ‘Palinista’ and ‘teabagger’? I’ll keep that in mind.
RD on February 12, 2010 at 5:59 AM
Indeed. What are the odds that rushing this poll out to market right before a major speech with national coverage, AND a full interview on one of the Sunday network news shows, was a concidence?
Precisely.
Whoa – that’s got to qualify for a Ba-tard Pollster from Hell award.
RD on February 12, 2010 at 6:05 AM
Er, “Congratulations for kicking the prompter habit”? “Dang, no more Barack O’Prompta jokes”? I dunno… why don’t you tell us.
RD on February 12, 2010 at 6:10 AM
My only “dissatifaction” with Palin right now is her plans to stump for McCain. She. Owes. Him. Nothing! His people backstabbed her and wrote salacious tell-all books about her supposed transgressions with the McCain team. F’m.
Dandapani on February 12, 2010 at 7:46 AM
That’s what I say too when I’m job hunting.
lionheart on February 12, 2010 at 8:58 AM
This WaPo poll is a major outlier. The pollster.com average, despite being dragged down by this junk poll, still has her approve/disapprove fairly close, at 42-47.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php
Jon0815 on February 12, 2010 at 8:59 AM
Thank you Ed. I like getting my “Well Duh” moment out of the way before 8 am. I have a few other statements of equivalence I’d like to share:
Water is wet
Gravity sucks
dhimmicraps are stupid.
Blacksmith8 on February 12, 2010 at 9:00 AM
The left always shows us who and what they fear the most besides truth and facts…
Number one on their fear list is Sarah Palin. Number two is the Tea Party Movement. Now that it is clear to anything with an I.Q. above 100, that Palin is 100% on board with the TPM, the left is in full panic mode…
Quite frankly, this is fun to watch.
Keemo on February 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM
WAPO polled a independent group of union members, school teachers, social workers and the banjo player from Deliverance.
SurferDoc on February 12, 2010 at 9:14 AM
I can only imagine what you people would be screetching [sic] had Obama or Biden written crib notes on their hands.
hottieinthehouse on February 11, 2010 at 7:29 PM
We people think there’s a great difference between scribbling a couple of reminders on your hand before making an important speech and setting up a teleprompter in a Elementary School Classroom because you’re afraid of facing the sycophantic Media without one. It seems your beauty is exceeded only by your grace and intelligence.
kingsjester on February 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM
She has written numerous essays on a variety of subjects on her FB page. In case you’re too lazy to look them up, I will give you the link to one of them which includes language on China.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139069028434
This may be beyond your comprehension, but most people give speeches that relate to a particular audience, or in the case of an interview, they are expected to limit their comments to answering the interviewer’s questions in short sound bites.
There is no need at this time for Palin to issue policy statements because she’s not running for anything. If she announces her candidacy for a particular office, then it will be reasonable to expect policy positions from her. In the meantime. she can continue to live in Obummer’s head rent-free.
NoNails on February 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM
Look Palin has a very fanatical group that likes him. But the vast majority of Americans have a very negative view of her. Most Americans don’t want a CnC that runs around saying “You Betcha!”. End of story.
Chekote on February 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM
The fall isn’t in how popular Palin is, it’s in the qualified question.
11/09 – 60% said she was unqualified to become POTUS
02/10 – 71% said she was unqualified to become POTUS.
Worse, a majority of Republicans said she was unqualified.
It does not matter how popular you are if you can’t get past the competency question IMHO.
I think the Tea Party speech was a missed opportunity. Prime time would have been a great time to talk specifics and improve the competency perceptions.
NextGen on February 12, 2010 at 9:38 AM
The Tea Parties started out on the right foot but they have since being infiltrated by assorted nuts like the Paulians. They need to trade their three foils hats for tin foil hats. I think that’s more appropriate.
Chekote on February 12, 2010 at 9:39 AM
NextGen
Don’t try to reason with the Palinistas. It is a cult of personality just like Obama. They see a couple of million in books sales and think that’s enough to win the WH.
Chekote on February 12, 2010 at 9:40 AM
She has written numerous essays on a variety of subjects on her FB page. In case you’re too lazy to look them up, I will give you the link to one of them which includes language on China.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139069028434
This may be beyond your comprehension, but most people give speeches that relate to a particular audience, or in the case of an interview, they are expected to limit their comments to answering the interviewer’s questions in short sound bites.
There is no need at this time for Palin to issue policy statements because she’s not running for anything. If she announces her candidacy for a particular office, then it will be reasonable to expect policy positions from her. In the meantime. she can continue to live in Obummer’s head rent-free.
NoNails on February 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM
NoNails on February 12, 2010 at 9:40 AM
My guess is that a lot of people are turned off by the typical conservative character they see from the tea party movement; older, white, small town, southern, etc. If the tea party movement doesn’t develop a broader, younger, more urban face, it will be reduced to a vehicle of “the conservative base” in the Republican party, which has a national appeal of 30 percent at the most.
Note: I’m not saying the tea party movement should become moderate and bipartisan. They should offer a clear alternative to socialism, stand for Liberty. But they have to make it palatable for libertarians and disaffected Dems.
modifiedcontent on February 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM
modifiedcontent on February 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM
BetseyRoss on February 12, 2010 at 9:52 AM
No. I will agree with you that labeling as “trolls” all those with different points of view is an effective method of preventing dissent.
a capella on February 12, 2010 at 9:53 AM
LOL!
redridinghood on February 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM
serial posting meme setter lacks credibility.
daesleeper on February 12, 2010 at 10:02 AM
serial posting meme setter lacks credibility.
daesleeper on February 12, 2010 at 10:02 AM
She’s just torqued at Palin because she’s Pro-Life.
kingsjester on February 12, 2010 at 10:07 AM
The poll sounds about right to me. Sarah’s plan, obviously, is to speak generally. That alone won’t, of course, overcome the problem she had. This week’s interview with Wallace was good, and I note that the ratings were way up. That tells me a lot of people are taking a second look.
I personally think people poll negatively when they are in that place of evaluating someone. She’s got an open window, though.
She’s already done really well to stop comparing everything to Alaska or her job there. That was smart. Now, she can start to flesh out her ideas.
I personally think she’s becoming more relaxed and fluid almost daily.
AnninCA on February 12, 2010 at 10:19 AM
Interesting Tea Party background.
And do recall beyond the historical setting of modern conservatism that Palin endorses Rep. Ron Paul.
Pass the salt.
maverick muse on February 12, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Palin seems to have dropped about 5 points in this poll.
The 0bama approval numbers in this poll are ~5 points higher than general opinion polls.
Approving of 0bama in this climate seems to corrrelate positively with disliking Palin.
Do the math. Unchanged.
Sekhmet on February 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM
What people think of Sarah Palin in a WaPo poll right now means very little. Sarah Palin holds no elective office, and is not running for elective office, although she is a former Governor and Vice Presidential candidate.
While I personally believe that her decision to resign the Governorship of Alaska was a huge mistake, which might incite some voters to believe she is a “quitter”, she has now become more of a political commentator. The next elections are not Presidential, but Congressional, but Sarah Palin isn’t running for Congress. She is trying to be a “team player” right now, and sees the “Tea Party” movement as a vehicle to bringing conservative ideas and candidates to power in Congress. Right now, the “Tea Party” movement is more about criticizing the Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress for their over-reach to the left, but eventually it will have to unite around some positive ideas for the country, which can be used as a platform to take back Congress in November.
Whether or not Sarah Palin is the best leader for the conservative movement remains to be seen, and as others have pointed out, she may need to “sharpen her game” and make some specific proposals over the next few months to gain credibility with independent voters. But if Palin may not be THE leader of conservatives, she is A leader, and liberals fear her as a powerful messenger against their agenda, who now has nothing to lose! So they try to “shoot the messenger” by portraying her as dumb, but as she continues to speak, and Obama obstinately pursues policies the American people have rejected, independent voters might start believing that Sarah Palin makes more sense than Obama. She hasn’t reached the “tipping point” in her favor yet, but there’s still a long time before the 2012 election.
Sarah Palin has time on her side–may she use it wisely!
Steve Z on February 12, 2010 at 11:12 AM
What “people” are turned off by them? People who wouldn’t join a tea party in the first place? Fence sitters, people considering joining? And what is the “typical conservative character”? And how do others determine what is “typical”? By attending a tea party and actually meeting typical attendees, or through media coverage of what a tea party or “typical” tea party person is?
Sounds to me like there is a kind of tautology of perception going on with the tea party, along with a set of assumptions, fed and framed by the media. I’ve been to tea parties. I only met a bunch of Americans. It never occurred to me to see them as “conservative” (though I suppose many were) — there was some other binding energy going on that had far more to do with an American sense of independence and individuality and outrage over authoritarianism than with party.
rrpjr on February 12, 2010 at 11:24 AM
People like me. I want Obama gone, socialism reversed and the Constitution restored. I want to live in a free, capitalist country. But I’m not signing up to return the clueless “conservative base” base back to power.
If the tea party movement is just another vehicle for conservatives, I’ll have to look elsewhere.
modifiedcontent on February 12, 2010 at 11:39 AM
That points out this problem:
NEOCONSERVATIVES are not the same as CONSERVATIVES.
Neoconservatives used conservatives, and when the conservatives thought they were making an alliance with the neocons via the Contract With America, everyone found out that it was foolish to trust neoconservatives who promoted socialism as “compassionate conservatism.”
The neoconservative power base running the GOP is what the Tea Party eschews about so-called “conservatives”.
And the ability to pirate grassroots conservative momentum to injure the grassroots conservatism is the point of today’s arguments. Follow the money.
maverick muse on February 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM
Oh barf. What a fraud. Esther?
Grow Fins on February 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM
rrpjr on February 12, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Your points are solid.
And it is of monumental importance for conservatives to note well our recent transformations led by opportunists who seemed so trustworthy because they said all the “right” words despite what they did with the power we gave them.
maverick muse on February 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM
America better wise up. Get your act together, throw some cold water on your face, something. The MSM is doing it’s darned best to minimize the Tea Party movement, which is a movement to save our liberties on this land. That’s all it is, it’s not racist, it’s not anti-Obama, etc. Why people want to dismiss Sarah Palin and the Tea Parties is beyond me. Life is not going to be hopey changey peachy under Obama, and if you go around believing that you are extremely naive or you are in on the coup.
long_cat on February 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Palin first needed to establish herself as truly beloved by the conservative base.
That took more than the VP run.
Next? She starts to flesh out opinions that have broader appeal.
AnninCA on February 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM
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I like Sarah Palin’s record as governor of Alaska. And I like the way that she does what she believes is right–in her personal life–as well as she did for the taxpayers of Alaska. She took on the corrupt politicians and improved things.
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What a concept! SARAH’CUDA for POTUS, JOHN BOLTON for VP in 2012. The AMERICA FIRST ticket.
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She is much more qualified to be POTUS than Community “Organizer” (aka extorter) Comrade Obama was–or is.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on February 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM
And here is my rant on Long March Libertarianism: Is your problem with the conservative movement based on established libertarian criticism of the conservative movement, or when you think back to your college years and your exposure to Gramscian-dominated popular culture—-were you relentlessly propagandized against all things conservative to where even if you agree with 99.9% of what the modern conservative movement is about, the label “conservative” is absolute poison to you?
Think about it.
Sekhmet on February 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I supported the Iraq war. Neoconservatives were the former Reagan Democrats; urban working class Dems who wanted a strong defense. I’d call myself neocon before I’d call myself conservative.
modifiedcontent on February 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Rush is tearing boy wonder a new one right now. He is absolutely ripping him.
ted c on February 12, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Yes, like pretty much anyone under 40.
More importantly, what you probably call (economic) conservatism is called liberalism everywhere else in the world. In the Netherlands, where I’m from, the liberals are the “evil capitalists”.
Conservatism is a different ideology, based in the church or in the European context the monarchy and nobility.
I’m a classic liberal, like the Founding Fathers. But in America liberalism was coopted by the socialists. Again, Socialist Party of America presidential candidate Norman Thomas in 1948:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”
Conservatives now claim they are the heirs of the ideas on which the United States were founded. They are not. America was founded on liberalism, real liberalism, classic liberalism, which is NOT socialism and not the c**p the Obamacrats are peddling.
modifiedcontent on February 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM
I don’t remember the media or pollsters being this obsesses with anyone else ever.
They hate her but they can’t quit her. Rehab wouldn’t help their addiction, the only cure - President Palin!
lonestar1 on February 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Palin hasn’t remotely convinced anyone yet that she should be the next president.
However, she’s done a fabulous job of convincing people to consider her seriously. That’s not easily polled. That is more about her ratings.
I think the danger will be when her message is finally understood and strikes people as “stale.”
We’re not there yet.
AnninCA on February 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM
–Dr. Axelrod, 2/11/10
james23 on February 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM
That just makes more sense.
daesleeper on February 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM
From the Economist/youguv poll released today:
Palin’s favorables among Republicans and conservatives:
REPUBLICANS: 76%
CONSERVATIVES 76.6%
For Palin fans, these are two most important stats right now. The first rule of politics: secure your base of support. Everything else is excelsior.
technopeasant on February 12, 2010 at 1:10 PM
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And what study of the fine synpases of decision-making thresholds demonstrates that she’s done a “fabulous” job of convincing people to consider her “seriously” but a so-far fruitless job of convincing people to consider that seriously.
This is silly. She hasn’t convinced you. Fair enough. But check out her Facebook page sometime for those she HAS convinced.
Bu the way, this whole argument about how Sarah has done such a commendable job of proving to people she’s not a hick idiot — and congratulations to her for that! — but that she has a long way to go before she can prove her worth and caliber for the awesome job of imposing her backwoods Alaskan prerogatives on Washington is about as transparently condescending as it gets. Palin doesn’t need such sham encouragement, and I’m sure gives little regard to it.
rrpjr on February 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Oh, well, you guys can ignore these polls. I personally watch the ones in the GOP, which shows her way ahead of Romney, but close to Huckabee.
That tells the story of where the GOP really is at.
My guess is that Romney is dead in the water. He’s just too much like Crist.
A new face, a new breath of fresh air into the GOP, and people will think about it.
My own political barameter is that people absolutely know they want the liberal agenda stopped. But they could vote GOP locally and still give Obama his second term. That would be “polite.”
So whoever might cut through “polite” will need to really have a big, big coalition.
Sarah definitely has the support from a “small, small” coalition now.
Can she grow it?
We’ll wait and see.
AnninCA on February 12, 2010 at 1:28 PM
I was too young.
Where can a person access old poll #s like that, anyway?
Badger40 on February 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM
If the Wasilla Hillbilwee is such a doofus….then….
….why columns like this?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a4hIeftRVyvE
PappyD61 on February 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Does that mean we can expect to get back to our regular program of mocking, deriding and slighting Sarah Palin??
EasyEight on February 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM
From Dale Robertson – TeaParty.org – Frontpage –
WARNING
TEA PARTY IN DANGER
AprilOrit on February 12, 2010 at 6:41 PM
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