Breaking: Birmingham Planned Parenthood clinic put on probation

posted at 3:40 pm on February 10, 2010 by Cassy Fiano

Breaking news: a Birmingham Planned Parenthood clinic has been placed on probation due to Lila Rose’s undercover work with the Mona Lisa project.

A Birmingham abortion clinic that was targeted in an undercover sting by anti-abortion activists has been put on probation by the state.
State health officials tell The Associated Press that the Planned Parenthood clinic has until next week to present its plan to correct violations involving minors receiving abortions.

Investigators with the department said records at the clinic showed several minors aged 13-15 had received abortions without proper verification of parental consent since November 2008.

Activists with “Live Action,” a California-based anti-abortion group, posed as a pregnant 14-year-old girl who needed a secret abortion. In an audio tape from the visit, an employee allegedly suggests that someone other than a parent or legal guardian could give consent.

The group’s claim last year led Alabama health officials to investigate.

Here is the video that prompted the investigation:

This is a huge victory for Live Action and for Lila Rose. Lila went undercover at eight Planned Parenthood clinics in the Mona Lisa project, and there have been multiple other violations uncovered across the country. Yet so far, this is the only clinic that has seen repercussions. This particular clinic was found to not only cover up the rape of a minor, but also to try to circumvent parental notification laws. Sadly, what we’ve all speculated about has turned out to be true. It’s only acting when Lila Rose and Jackie Stollar go into these clinics, but how many real underaged girls — scared, confused girls who could possibly be victims of abuse — is this happening to? This clinic was found to have several records of this happening. Imagine how many girls across the country are victims of pedophiles and abusers, and are taken advantage of by an evil organization out for blood and money.

Thankfully, this clinic is being held accountable — but what about the other seven? And don’t forget, Planned Parenthood still receives millions in taxpayer dollars from our government.

It is one thing to be for abortion, but there is absolutely no defense whatsoever for what is happening in these Planned Parenthood clinics. Lila Rose has done a fantastic job exposing them for what they really are, and it’s too bad that this is the only clinic so far to have to potentially face justice for their illegal and immoral activities.

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Thankfully, this clinic is being held accountable — but what about the other seven? And don’t forget, Planned Parenthood still receives millions in taxpayer dollars from our government.

Which is why PP’s tax-exempt status should be targeted. And, for the record, I don’t call being put on probation as being held accountable. That’s like getting a warning citation instead of a speeding ticket.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Good for Lila! But where are the rest of the investigations and probations? And when do we cut funding for this kill for hire group. (And speaking of funding, isn’t ACORN still getting funding from the Federal Govt?

Christian Conservative on February 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM

State health officials tell The Associated Press that the Planned Parenthood clinic has until next week to present its plan to correct violations involving minors receiving abortions.

At least this center will have to go through the motions, but it really is at best a slap on the wrist. They’ll put together a report saying things like, “oh, from now on we’ll be sure to report all cases of statutory rape and follow the guidlines on parental concent, honest and truly” and the state will let it go because there was a “Process” and a “Plan of correction” now in place.

But nothing will really change.

She at least forced their hand this far, and should be commended for her work. Maybe if it is kept in the public eye long enough, more substinative actions can be taken.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Stunning victory. However, I expect big abortion and their #1 fan (who currently resides in the white house) to attempt to hit back twice as hard and give Rose the O’Keefe treatment.

As an aside, if you haven’t read the Abortion chapter in “The Marketing of Evil” by David Kupelian, make a B-line to the bookstore right now. It is the single most damning indictment I have ever read by anyone of anything.

Kataklysmic on February 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM

but how many real underaged girls — scared, confused girls who could possibly be victims of abuse — is this happening to?

ALL OF THEM.

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trapeze on February 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM

It’s about time. Time to hold PP’s feet to the fire.

caygeon on February 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Thank you Lila!
Thanks, Cassy.

OmahaConservative on February 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM

NOW was right. That Tebow ad is creating an environment where its wrong to for Planned Parenthood to break the law and hide rape. What is the world coming to?

El_Terrible on February 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Next weeks headlines: Lila Rose to be arrested for attempted bugging of PP phones lines.

csdeven on February 10, 2010 at 3:51 PM

13 ?

That is so sad.

bridgetown on February 10, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Too bad babies don’t get a waiting/probation period before having their skulls crushed.

SouthernGent on February 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Even unborn girls have rights.

seven on February 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Activists with “Live Action,” a California-based anti-abortion group,

Sorry, but that phrase really rubs me the wrong way.

Can’t the MSM call it “pro-life” rather than “anti-abortion?”

I notice they never hesitate to call pro-abortionists “pro-chioice.”

UltimateBob on February 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Excellent! One down, and how many to go? :D

capejasmine on February 10, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Thankfully, this clinic is being held accountable — but what about the other seven? And don’t forget, Planned

Parenthood still receives millions in taxpayer dollars from our government.
Which is why PP’s tax-exempt status should be targeted. And, for the record, I don’t call being put on probation as being held accountable. That’s like getting a warning citation instead of a speeding ticket.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

–So you should be just as happy to target the Catholic Church’s tax-exempt status, right?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM

The catholic church is highly subsidized by the federal government.

daesleeper on February 10, 2010 at 4:04 PM

The catholic church is highly subsidized by the federal government.

daesleeper on February 10, 2010 at 4:04 PM

So is every ‘religion’. Catholics just a bigger presence. Your point?

Dark-Star on February 10, 2010 at 4:06 PM

–So you should be just as happy to target the Catholic Church’s tax-exempt status, right?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM

I hope you didn’t dislocate your shoulder during that stretch.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 4:08 PM

All right, who was badmouthing the social conservatives in Alabama yesterday? In a state like Vermont, there would be little to no pressure to do anything.

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:08 PM

I’m generally sympathetic to the pro-life position but I have to say this was not shocking or offensive at all really. I mean, 14 and 31… ok. Not exactly kosher but I’m not feelin the rage.

Dash on February 10, 2010 at 4:08 PM

The catholic church is highly subsidized by the federal government.

daesleeper on February 10, 2010 at 4:04 PM

–Not sure it’s really a significant direct subsidy for the Church itself. Tax-exempt status, deduction of contributions for income tax purposes, exemption of some housing expenses for priests/ministers and some payments for food/services for some kids (like lunch and breakfast supplemental payments) is all that I’m aware of.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM

I’m generally sympathetic to the pro-life position but I have to say this was not shocking or offensive at all really. I mean, 14 and 31… ok. Not exactly kosher but I’m not feelin the rage.

Dash on February 10, 2010 at 4:08 PM

I have a 15 yo daughter… I would be enraged… which would include me invoking my 2nd amendment rights.

14 and 31… not that bad? Are you insane?

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Too bad babies don’t get a waiting/probation period before having their skulls crushed.

SouthernGent on February 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM

I want to live in a world where human life is given the same protections afforded to baby seals.

While I laud the efforts of Lila Rose, I am pessimistic that it amounts to much. PP of Birmingham got caught clearly violating the law and they got “probation.” The reality is that the social/cultural baggage of abortion makes the left defend the indefensible. No matter what one’s view of abortion, a pregnant 14-year-old requires investigation to determine the circumstances.

I have to wonder how many underage girls who are victims of incest or serial rape by an adult are regular patrons of PP’s policy of no-questions-asked abortion services. PP should not be defending their affiliates who break the law and, yet, I get the sense that they don’t give a damn so long as they get to keep on killing human beings. Birmingham is merely an inconvenience not a real change of policy.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:12 PM

–So you should be just as happy to target the Catholic Church’s tax-exempt status, right?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Please elaborate.

What in the h*ll justifies tax-exempt status for a for-profit abortion mill?

At a minimum, PP’s tax-exempt status ought to be downgraded from tax-favored 501(c)(3) public charity status to some other kind of tax-exempt entity to which tax-deductible contributions cannot be made.

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2010 at 4:12 PM

So you should be just as happy to target the Catholic Church’s tax-exempt status, right?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM
I hope you didn’t dislocate your shoulder during that stretch.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 4:08 PM

–Catholic Church: Well over 5000 confirmed cases of actual child abuse by priests and others in at least three countries (Ireland, Canada, US) in the last fifty years and the subsequent covering up of the abuses and the movement of priests involved.

–PP: Approximately 20 cases of “fake” child abuse (i.e., they didn’t happen) by others not properly reported by PP.

-You’re right. There is no comparison.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM

The catholic church is highly subsidized by the federal government.

daesleeper on February 10, 2010 at 4:04 PM

How so? Are there budget items sending federal dollars to the coffers of archdioceses around the country?

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Their deceptive and fraudulent actions and arguments have caused me to distrust those who claim to be “Pro-Choice”.

jay12 on February 10, 2010 at 4:17 PM

–PP: Approximately 20 cases of “fake” child abuse (i.e., they didn’t happen) by others not properly reported by PP.

-You’re right. There is no comparison.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM

And, you know, the millions of people they’ve murdered for profit, but whatever.

TheUnrepentantGeek on February 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM

The catholic church is highly subsidized by the federal government.

daesleeper on February 10, 2010 at 4:04 PM
How so? Are there budget items sending federal dollars to the coffers of archdioceses around the country?

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM

–Of course, Catholic hospitals do get a significant amount of Medicare funds from the US and state governments.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:19 PM

–PP: Approximately 20 cases of “fake” child abuse (i.e., they didn’t happen) by others not properly reported by PP.

-You’re right. There is no comparison.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Planned Parenthood: Millions of cases of murders of children in the womb. Documented attempted extermination of American citizens with less desirable traits.

Narutoboy on February 10, 2010 at 4:19 PM

–PP: Approximately 20 cases of “fake” child abuse (i.e., they didn’t happen) by others not properly reported by PP.

-You’re right. There is no comparison.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM
And, you know, the millions of people they’ve murdered for profit, but whatever.

TheUnrepentantGeek on February 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM

–Some of us don’t consider those to be “people” “murdered”, but whatever.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

-You’re right. There is no comparison.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Comment

At least you admit it.

OK, I was just kidding with that last comment, but what I would really want to see happen is priests who are found guilty to go to jail, and higher ups found guilty of covering it up go to jail as well.

And I have to wonder why you used the Catholic Church as an example, and not the more appropriate example of the public school system which also has a large number of child abuse/”inappropriate” interactions rate of students and teachers as well as administrative coverups. They are also federally funded, and more directly so than the Catholic Church. But I guess some axes are more fun to grind than others.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

So you should be just as happy to target the Catholic Church’s tax-exempt status, right?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Your lies over abortion in the Dems bills for healthcare in the House and Senate prove that nobody should take your comments seriously.

I don’t know why you are so committed to killing innocent life. Nor do I care. You’ve proven yourself a radical single-issue mouthpiece for people who view abortion as nothing more than a medical procedure. Your view (which I reject) is bad enough when the vessel is a slutty twenty-something with an inconvenient consequence of a drunken binge. It is far more serious when an underage girl shows up pregnant but you would rather the 14-year-old be ignored to protect the “right” of that slutty twenty-something.

Don’t procreate. You are pure evil.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Your moral equivalence is showing.

fourdeucer on February 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM

As soon as people lose interest, the suspension will be lifted.

MarkTheGreat on February 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM

–Catholic Church: Well over 5000 confirmed cases of actual child abuse by priests and others in at least three countries (Ireland, Canada, US) in the last fifty years and the subsequent covering up of the abuses and the movement of priests involved.

–PP: Approximately 20 cases of “fake” child abuse (i.e., they didn’t happen) by others not properly reported by PP.

-You’re right. There is no comparison.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM

For the record, I’d rather have 100 Catholic churches in my town than 1 PP office. Does anyone here disagree?

Goldenavatar on February 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Some of us don’t consider those to be “people” “murdered”, but whatever.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Yeah, whatever. You were that non-person at one point.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM

For the record, I’d rather have 100 Catholic churches in my town than 1 PP office. Does anyone here disagree?

Goldenavatar on February 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Is neither an option?

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM

I have a 15 yo daughter… I would be enraged… which would include me invoking my 2nd amendment rights.

14 and 31… not that bad? Are you insane?

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Of course you would as the mom or dad. You need a PP person to fill you in that your daughter is dating a 31 year old though? Good luck with that. 2nd amendment comment, while I can understand it, is also why she’d never in a million years let you find out or tell PP if they would spread the word.

Dash on February 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM

OK, I was just kidding with that last comment, but what I would really want to see happen is priests who are found guilty to go to jail, and higher ups found guilty of covering it up go to jail as well.

And I have to wonder why you used the Catholic Church as an example, and not the more appropriate example of the public school system which also has a large number of child abuse/”inappropriate” interactions rate of students and teachers as well as administrative coverups.

–The Catholic church has a tax exemption, they’ve plead guilty to child abuse and paid well over $100 million of fines and the sexual abuses tended to be by priests. The schools don’t have a tax exemption, the “inappropriate” interactions may not really be sexual abuses (is brushing against someone the equivalent of anal sex with children?), the abuses may not have happened by teachers, priests are in a much more esteemed position in regards to children than most teachers or administrative aides and so abused their position of trust to a much larger extent, and school administrators haven’t generally moved teachers around once abuse was reported.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Dash on February 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM

You missed your own point… you argued that 14 and 31 is no big deal.

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Kataklysmic
thanks for the tip. Just ordered the book on Amazon. Don’t know how I missed this one.

highninside on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

I don’t know why you are so committed to killing innocent life. Nor do I care. You’ve proven yourself a radical single-issue mouthpiece for people who view abortion as nothing more than a medical procedure. Your view (which I reject) is bad enough when the vessel is a slutty twenty-something with an inconvenient consequence of a drunken binge. It is far more serious when an underage girl shows up pregnant but you would rather the 14-year-old be ignored to protect the “right” of that slutty twenty-something.

Don’t procreate. You are pure evil.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM

–I already have, twice. I’m sure you’re trying to do the same back in D.C. but you probably can’t find anyone willing to have sex with you for money or otherwise. Given the male/female population in DC that says alot.

Remember that this abuse did not actually take place.

And I question the judgment and sanity of anyone who would voluntarily leave Texas for D.C. like you just did.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Some of us don’t consider those to be “people” “murdered”, but whatever.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Give your Mom an extra Hug and Kiss on Mothers day. She could have chosen to have you removed. Like a festering tumor.

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

For the record, I’d rather have 100 Catholic churches in my town than 1 PP office. Does anyone here disagree?
Goldenavatar on February 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Are the church congregations filled with the same Catholics who voted for PBHO?

Bishop on February 10, 2010 at 4:31 PM

For the record, I’d rather have 100 Catholic churches in my town than 1 PP office. Does anyone here disagree?

Goldenavatar on February 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I don’t but I’d point out the obvious. I don’t have any problems with the idea of an organization committed to helping out inform the public about reproductive options than I do with the stated mission of the ACLU.

My problem with PP is that they are not a neutral organization. Abortions are profitable for them because they run clinics to provide the services. Advising females to consider adoption does not put one dime into PP’s coffers. They have a built-in motivation to kill.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:31 PM

I don’t but I’d point out the obvious. I don’t have any problems with the idea of an organization committed to helping out inform the public about reproductive options than I do with the stated mission of the ACLU.

My problem with PP is that they are not a neutral organization. Abortions are profitable for them because they run clinics to provide the services. Advising females to consider adoption does not put one dime into PP’s coffers. They have a built-in motivation to kill.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:31 PM

–Doesn’t PP also provide birth control and other medical counseling? Doesn’t that also put money into PP’s coffers.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Seriously, Jim, you’ve hit rock bottom when you begin questioning someone’s sex life as a retort on the forums.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:34 PM

I’m sure you’re trying to do the same back in D.C. but you probably can’t find anyone willing to have sex with you for money or otherwise.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

What a slime you are “Jimbo”. Even among Trolls, you rank down with the worst of them.

I think it’s BAN HAMMER TIME.

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I’m sure you’re trying to do the same back in D.C. but you probably can’t find anyone willing to have sex with you for money or otherwise.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

What a slime you are “Jimbo”. Even among Trolls, you rank down with the worst of them.

I think it’s BAN HAMMER TIME.

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:35 PM

+10

My thought exactly as I read that vile and personal attack…

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Waiting for your outrage for PP. You made the equivalence arguement but you can’t show where the Catholic Church sanctions abortion or pre-marital sex. PP is in business for the sole purpose of the destruction of human life. The Catholic Church is in business to preserve that life for eternity.

fourdeucer on February 10, 2010 at 4:38 PM

I do not think Jim ought be banned. His presence and posting is instructive on the nature of abortion supporters, and ought be seen more often so that people might understand the nature of this evil.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:38 PM

I think it’s BAN HAMMER TIME.

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:35 PM

If people were instabanned merely for sexual insults, HA’s population would be significantly smaller.

Even that venom-spewing hag Janos was only given the boot after making X-rated slurs that involved children.

Dark-Star on February 10, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Seriously, Jim, you’ve hit rock bottom when you begin questioning someone’s sex life as a retort on the forums.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:34 PM

–Who said anything about questioning? He told me not to procreate. I said he couldn’t. What’s the fake outrage?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:40 PM

The schools don’t have a tax exemption, the “inappropriate” interactions may not really be sexual abuses (is brushing against someone the equivalent of anal sex with children?), the abuses may not have happened by teachers, priests are in a much more esteemed position in regards to children than most teachers or administrative aides and so abused their position of trust to a much larger extent, and school administrators haven’t generally moved teachers around once abuse was reported.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

The schools don’t have a tax exemption, they are completely funded by taxes, salaries, rent, everything! I can’t believe you included that in your response to be honest.

Maybe not every single episode of “inappropriate interactions” may be sexual abuse but it seems like once a week there is a news story of a teacher having sex with an underaged student, and there are plenty of cases of sexual abuse of students that are very much on par with anal rape.

I’m glad to see you feel that children hold preiests in higher regard than teachers, but it simply isn’t necessarily ture. Children hold all adults with high esteem, especially ones that control their daily activity.

Teachers are often shifted either to other schools (up to high school if the abuse was in elementary etc) and to pretend otherwise is silly.

You seem to think I’m excusing pedophile preists and those who cover up their crimes. I’ll state again for you that I think they belong in jail.

You could have salvaged some credibility if instead of defending the child abuse in the public school system you instead admitted that it occured and was wrong. Instead, you’re digging a deeper and sillier hole for youself.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 4:41 PM

I already have, twice. I’m sure you’re trying to do the same back in D.C. but you probably can’t find anyone willing to have sex with you for money or otherwise. Given the male/female population in DC that says alot.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

This is a personal attack that is totally uncalled for. You don’t know anything about me. How dare you!

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:44 PM

We’re sorry, Jimbo. We all thought that that was a person/human being growing a woman’s womb. Evidently, it’s a puppy or some other inconsequential life form. /sarc

kingsjester on February 10, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Jim, I can’t muster outrage at you, I just really don’t care that much about the comment. And really, I think we’re all big enough to take a few petty insults.

Advising you not to procreate is a comment meant to imply that you ought not spread your particular philosophical ideas to your children, whereas “you can’t get laid lol” is, really, just internet slur.

Indeed you did procreate, and I applaud not aborting those children. Now, do yourself, and all the world, but especially those girls/that girl a favor, and never advise them to have an abortion. I quite literally beg you.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:44 PM

–Who said anything about questioning? He told me not to procreate. I said he couldn’t. What’s the fake outrage?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:40 PM

That’s the sanitized version… here’s the real thing:

but you probably can’t find anyone willing to have sex with you for money or otherwise.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Maybe not every single episode of “inappropriate interactions” may be sexual abuse but it seems like once a week there is a news story of a teacher having sex with an underaged student, and there are plenty of cases of sexual abuse of students that are very much on par with anal rape.

I’m glad to see you feel that children hold preiests in higher regard than teachers, but it simply isn’t necessarily ture. Children hold all adults with high esteem, especially ones that control their daily activity.

Teachers are often shifted either to other schools (up to high school if the abuse was in elementary etc) and to pretend otherwise is silly.

You seem to think I’m excusing pedophile preists and those who cover up their crimes. I’ll state again for you that I think they belong in jail.

You could have salvaged some credibility if instead of defending the child abuse in the public school system you instead admitted that it occured and was wrong. Instead, you’re digging a deeper and sillier hole for youself.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 4:41 PM

–There are approximately 3.5 million elementary and secondary school teachers in the US, plus probably at least a million support people. There are 41,000 priests in the US. Run the number of actual/reported violations as a percent.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM

This is a personal attack that is totally uncalled for. You don’t know anything about me. How dare you!

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 4:44 PM

–Then how dare you tell me not to have children. It’s the same thing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM

We’re sorry, Jimbo. We all thought that that was a person/human being growing a woman’s womb. Evidently, it’s a puppy or some other inconsequential life form. /sarc

kingsjester on February 10, 2010 at 4:44 PM

If he/she was a puppy… they’d be chaining themselves to the doors to protect them.

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM

–Then how dare you tell me not to have children. It’s the same thing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Nice try… but nobody is buying the equivalence.

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Offhand, I will make the comment that, speaking from a purely male standpoint, I believe that the majority of teenage males that end up getting molested by an adult female teacher will not see it as the molestation that it is, and never bother to report it, so that it might occur again.

That’s how most teenage boys are. Teenage girls are a far cry different, in my very humble opinion.

Whether this amounts to anything statistically relevant, I cannot say. I merely thought it pertinent to the topic.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:48 PM

–Who said anything about questioning? He told me not to procreate. I said he couldn’t. What’s the fake outrage?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:40 PM

back pedaling much?

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:49 PM

–Then how dare you tell me not to have children. It’s the same thing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM
Nice try… but nobody is buying the equivalence.

mankai on February 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM

–I am. I don’t care if you’re not. You might want to try to explain how “Don’t procreate. You’re pure evil” isn’t a personal attack while “I’m sure you’re trying to do the same back in D.C. but you probably can’t find anyone willing to have sex with you for money or otherwise. Given the male/female population in DC that says alot” isn’t.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:50 PM

–Who said anything about questioning? He told me not to procreate. I said he couldn’t. What’s the fake outrage?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:40 PM
back pedaling much?

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:49 PM

–Not backpedaling at all.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:50 PM

._. I would recommend that everyone drop that particular bit. Amusing as it was to see thrown down as a weak retort, it isn’t worth the energy being input.

As to pure evil, that’s something you’ll have to deal with, Jim, you are in conversation with people who believe you to be defending murder. You’ll get snapped at – I think it’s actually why you hang around these threads.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Then how dare you tell me not to have children. It’s the same thing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Highhopes: Don’t have Children

Jimbo3: You couldn’t find a Whore to have sex with.

One of these things is not like the other.

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:53 PM

It is one thing to be for abortion, but there is absolutely no defense whatsoever for what is happening in these Planned Parenthood clinics.

As Jimbo demonstrates, once you promote abortion, you’re a moral outlaw.
Just because it involves preteens don’t make it wrong!
Just because it involves raped preteens don’t make it wrong!
Just because the State of Georgia made it illegal don’t make it wrong!
You can’t moderate abortion anymore than you can find middle ground on slavery.

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 4:56 PM

You can’t moderate abortion anymore than you can find middle ground on slavery.

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Quote of the Day please.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Highhopes: Don’t have Children

Jimbo3: You couldn’t find a Whore to have sex with.

One of these things is not like the other.

portlandon on February 10, 2010 at 4:53 PM

–Actual Jimbo3 line: You couldn’t find a Whore to have sex with

or otherwise

.

–Ok. You’re right. I’m pretty sure he could actually find a whore willing to have sex with him in DC of all places. You win.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM

As to pure evil, that’s something you’ll have to deal with, Jim, you are in conversation with people who believe you to be defending murder. You’ll get snapped at – I think it’s actually why you hang around these threads.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM

–I didn’t defend PP. What I said was that it’s hard to believe that you want to remove PP’s tax exemption for these relatively small number of “fake” violations when you don’t seem to have any problem with keeping the Catholic Church’s tax-exemption for the thousands of real violations that its priests have committted over the years and then covered up. That’s the moral equivalency I find disturbing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:01 PM

–There are approximately 3.5 million elementary and secondary school teachers in the US, plus probably at least a million support people. There are 41,000 priests in the US. Run the number of actual/reported violations as a percent.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM

So since a smaller percentage of teachers are abusing children it’s ok? Because you have yet to condemn child abuse in the school system. And as I’ve said for now the 3rd (and honestly final, this is getting dull) time, I THINK PEDOPHILES BELONG IN JAIL! I don’t care if they wear a robe or always have a #2 pencil on them.

Even being a Roman Catholic, I am more than capable of condemning bad actions of some of their members.

Too bad you seem to be incapable of doing the same for school but that doesn’t fit into your anti-Catholic meme.

Those abused children need help, not to have the abuse rationalized as being relatively few per capita.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:01 PM

The argument is not limited to this thread.

Incidentally, I’m not Catholic.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 5:02 PM

–The Catholic church has a tax exemption, they’ve plead guilty to child abuse and paid well over $100 million of fines and the sexual abuses tended to be by priests. The schools don’t have a tax exemption, the “inappropriate” interactions may not really be sexual abuses (is brushing against someone the equivalent of anal sex with children?), the abuses may not have happened by teachers, priests are in a much more esteemed position in regards to children than most teachers or administrative aides and so abused their position of trust to a much larger extent, and school administrators haven’t generally moved teachers around once abuse was reported.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

The Catholic Church has not pled guilty to child abuse. Individual homosexual priests have done that.

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Shouldn’t their name be Planned NON-Parenthood?

profitsbeard on February 10, 2010 at 5:10 PM

–Some of us don’t consider those to be “people” “murdered”, but whatever.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

The inability of the country to euphemize the wholesale slaughter of children in the womb is breathtaking.

It’s telling that the reasons for denying the humanity of a thing that is alive with a unique and distinctly human genetic code is that it’s only an arbitrary number of days along in its development and/or some random woman doesn’t think it’s a human. It’s nothing more than a standard of convenience that favors the strong over the weak and those with voices over the voiceless.

TheUnrepentantGeek on February 10, 2010 at 5:12 PM

I should say, “the ability of the country.”

Nevertheless, convenient euphemisms like “fetus” only diminish the humanity of the unborn in the eyes of those too cowardly or ashamed to to admit the obvious truth.

A fetus will never be born anything but a human being. Either give a logically consistent reason why it’s worth protecting 5 minutes out of the womb, but disposable garbage a few short months before or admit that you don’t particularly value innocent human life and have done with it.

If only the poor kids could vote. Perhaps that would stir some sympathy.

TheUnrepentantGeek on February 10, 2010 at 5:19 PM

“Some” people thought Hitler was the Bomb.

“Some” people think Chavez is a great guy.

“Some” people think injecting heroine into their body makes them cool.

“Some” people think an abortion does not involve the death of a human being.

They are all wrong.

–Some of us don’t consider those to be “people” “murdered”, but whatever.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

If having an abortion doesn’t kill a baby, why do women use the reason of “I don’t want a baby”. If it isn’t a baby, why have the abortion?

BobMbx on February 10, 2010 at 5:22 PM

If only the poor kids could vote. Perhaps that would stir some sympathy.

TheUnrepentantGeek on February 10, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Liberals would fiercely defend them and accuse right-wingers of wanting to abort them. Guaranteed voting bloc for future elections.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 5:23 PM

So since a smaller percentage of teachers are abusing children it’s ok? Because you have yet to condemn child abuse in the school system.

And I have to wonder why you used the Catholic Church as an example, and not the more appropriate example of the public school system which also has a large number of child abuse/”inappropriate” interactions rate of students and teachers as well as administrative coverups.

So since a smaller percentage of teachers are abusing children it’s ok? Because you have yet to condemn child abuse in the school system. And as I’ve said for now the 3rd (and honestly final, this is getting dull) time, I THINK PEDOPHILES BELONG IN JAIL! I don’t care if they wear a robe or always have a #2 pencil on them.

Even being a Roman Catholic, I am more than capable of condemning bad actions of some of their members.

Too bad you seem to be incapable of doing the same for school but that doesn’t fit into your anti-Catholic meme.

Those abused children need help, not to have the abuse rationalized as being relatively few per capita.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 5:01 PM

-When did I ever defend real sexual abuse in the public school system? You said that it was a “large” number. I pointed out that you needed to determine the percentages to see how significant the raw numbers really were. A claim of 1000 instances of sexual abuse by priests would be a 2.5% rate, assuming no priest was involved twice. A 2.5% rate by teachers in the public schools would amount to close to 90000 instances, again assuming no teacher was involved twice, or about 1600 reports per week.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Then how dare you tell me not to have children. It’s the same thing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM

No it is not the same thing. Not even close.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Public schools don’t have tax exemptions, because they don’t pay taxes…but they do impose taxes, which is worse then tax exemptions…and to add to that, schools also do not pay sales taxes on anything they purchase.
Jimbo3, this must be at least a dozen times you have been corrected in giving out false and misleading information…you just make this stuff up as you go along, don’t you?
We laugh at you lame attempt at shoring up your debate with false information…

right2bright on February 10, 2010 at 5:27 PM

The Catholic Church has not pled guilty to child abuse. Individual homosexual priests have done that.

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2010 at 5:06 PM

–Several dioceses in the US have gone into bankruptcy as a result of the claims, so they must have been involved in civil suits involving a failure to properly supervise, etc.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM

BTW

This was the “clinic” that was bombed back in 1998. I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference between this abortion factory and the PP abortion factory other than the nice pretty pink web site and the location close to UAB.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Then how dare you tell me not to have children. It’s the same thing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM
No it is not the same thing. Not even close.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:24 PM

–Then explain why.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Planned Prenthood being faithful to their mission of killing human beings and priests being unfaithful to their mission of saving human beings are only equivalent to someone lacking good judgement.

fourdeucer on February 10, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Public schools don’t have tax exemptions, because they don’t pay taxes…but they do impose taxes, which is worse then tax exemptions…and to add to that, schools also do not pay sales taxes on anything they purchase.
Jimbo3, this must be at least a dozen times you have been corrected in giving out false and misleading information…you just make this stuff up as you go along, don’t you?
We laugh at you lame attempt at shoring up your debate with false information…

right2bright on February 10, 2010 at 5:27 PM

–Public schools are usually owned by a unit of the local government. They’re not privately owned and so no tax exemption is needed. And it’s government units that impose the taxes.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:33 PM

BTW

This was the “clinic” that was bombed back in 1998. I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference between this abortion factory and the PP abortion factory other than the nice pretty pink web site and the location close to UAB.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM

–So are you saying you’d like to see it bombed again?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM

-When did I ever defend real sexual abuse in the public school system?

You still have yet to condemn it.

And saying that there isn’t as much abuse as there are in other institutions doesn’t count as condemning it.

In fact, implying that the amount that occurs is a small percentage is actually dismissing it.

But if you won’t condemn the abuse in the public school system, would you at least (in the interest of what this thread was supposed to be about) commend Lila Rose on her great work in exposing an industrial-wide intent to cover up sexual abuse in minors and circumventing laws regarding parental consent/notification for/of abortions?

After all, running the numbers as a percentage, going to 8 different centers and finding this number of violations should be pretty significant, right?

And stop calling them “fake” abuses. As far as the PP counsellers knew the abuse was very real and they utterly failed to report it to the proper authorities. A violation such as that from anyone in the medical profession usually results in penalties far greater than probation, and if shown to occur on a serial basis results in loss of licenses and potentially criminal prosecution.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Lord almighty, you really ARE a scaredy cat, aren’t you?

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 5:36 PM

You still have yet to condemn it.

And saying that there isn’t as much abuse as there are in other institutions doesn’t count as condemning it.

In fact, implying that the amount that occurs is a small percentage is actually dismissing it.

But if you won’t condemn the abuse in the public school system, would you at least (in the interest of what this thread was supposed to be about) commend Lila Rose on her great work in exposing an industrial-wide intent to cover up sexual abuse in minors and circumventing laws regarding parental consent/notification for/of abortions?

After all, running the numbers as a percentage, going to 8 different centers and finding this number of violations should be pretty significant, right?

And stop calling them “fake” abuses. As far as the PP counsellers knew the abuse was very real and they utterly failed to report it to the proper authorities. A violation such as that from anyone in the medical profession usually results in penalties far greater than probation, and if shown to occur on a serial basis results in loss of licenses and potentially criminal prosecution.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 5:35 PM

–I condemn it. Happy now. But I still think you’re pure evil if you think that a failure to report a fake violation (and, in some of these cases, it’s not at all clear that the law requires a report in particular cases because of the actual language of the statute) is the same as the systematic real sexual abuse of children by up to 4% of your priests, the failure to take steps to stop that abuse and the attempt to cover up the abuse.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Planned Parenthood still receives millions in taxpayer dollars from our government.

The Republican’s let Democrats fund the Left with taxpayer money. How idiotic is that?

TheBigOldDog on February 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM
Lord almighty, you really ARE a scaredy cat, aren’t you?

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 5:36 PM

–So what was the whole point of the post by highhopes then? Did he want us to have their website in case we wanted to make some appointments?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM

BTW

This was the “clinic” that was bombed back in 1998. I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference between this abortion factory and the PP abortion factory other than the nice pretty pink web site and the location close to UAB.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Did you notice the banner- Providing Caring,Safe,Confidential Services? They can’t even be open and honest on their own website.

fourdeucer on February 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

–I didn’t defend PP. What I said was that it’s hard to believe that you want to remove PP’s tax exemption for these relatively small number of “fake” violations when you don’t seem to have any problem with keeping the Catholic Church’s tax-exemption for the thousands of real violations that its priests have committted over the years and then covered up. That’s the moral equivalency I find disturbing.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Riiiigght…you didn’t defend PP…you just trolled a thread condemning PP for trying to violate state law regarding notification (as a lawyer I’m sure you know that nobody ever beat a prostitution sting by asserting the whore was really a cop…) with a totally extraneous and irrelevant comparision out of your own mind. And then demand we all answer to THAT. But what gets me, is you claim to be moral, and TOTALLY ignore the thirty million Ukranians starved to death by Stalin. WHERE IS YOUR SOUL?

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Riiiigght…you didn’t defend PP…you just trolled a thread condemning PP for trying to violate state law regarding notification (as a lawyer I’m sure you know that nobody ever beat a prostitution sting by asserting the whore was really a cop…) with a totally extraneous and irrelevant comparision out of your own mind.

Let’s review the start of the bidding:

“Thankfully, this clinic is being held accountable — but what about the other seven? And don’t forget, Planned Parenthood still receives millions in taxpayer dollars from our government.

Which is why PP’s tax-exempt status should be targeted. And, for the record, I don’t call being put on probation as being held accountable. That’s like getting a warning citation instead of a speeding ticket.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

–So you should be just as happy to target the Catholic Church’s tax-exempt status, right?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM”

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:49 PM

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