Breaking: Birmingham Planned Parenthood clinic put on probation

posted at 3:40 pm on February 10, 2010 by Cassy Fiano

Breaking news: a Birmingham Planned Parenthood clinic has been placed on probation due to Lila Rose’s undercover work with the Mona Lisa project.

A Birmingham abortion clinic that was targeted in an undercover sting by anti-abortion activists has been put on probation by the state.
State health officials tell The Associated Press that the Planned Parenthood clinic has until next week to present its plan to correct violations involving minors receiving abortions.

Investigators with the department said records at the clinic showed several minors aged 13-15 had received abortions without proper verification of parental consent since November 2008.

Activists with “Live Action,” a California-based anti-abortion group, posed as a pregnant 14-year-old girl who needed a secret abortion. In an audio tape from the visit, an employee allegedly suggests that someone other than a parent or legal guardian could give consent.

The group’s claim last year led Alabama health officials to investigate.

Here is the video that prompted the investigation:

This is a huge victory for Live Action and for Lila Rose. Lila went undercover at eight Planned Parenthood clinics in the Mona Lisa project, and there have been multiple other violations uncovered across the country. Yet so far, this is the only clinic that has seen repercussions. This particular clinic was found to not only cover up the rape of a minor, but also to try to circumvent parental notification laws. Sadly, what we’ve all speculated about has turned out to be true. It’s only acting when Lila Rose and Jackie Stollar go into these clinics, but how many real underaged girls — scared, confused girls who could possibly be victims of abuse — is this happening to? This clinic was found to have several records of this happening. Imagine how many girls across the country are victims of pedophiles and abusers, and are taken advantage of by an evil organization out for blood and money.

Thankfully, this clinic is being held accountable — but what about the other seven? And don’t forget, Planned Parenthood still receives millions in taxpayer dollars from our government.

It is one thing to be for abortion, but there is absolutely no defense whatsoever for what is happening in these Planned Parenthood clinics. Lila Rose has done a fantastic job exposing them for what they really are, and it’s too bad that this is the only clinic so far to have to potentially face justice for their illegal and immoral activities.

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But what gets me, is you claim to be moral, and TOTALLY ignore the thirty million Ukranians starved to death by Stalin. WHERE IS YOUR SOUL?

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

–I’m fine with my soul. It’s here. What I’m worried about is where your mind is after that last statement.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:51 PM

So are you saying you’d like to see it bombed again?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM

You need to be banned. It’s one thing to make personal attacks against me. It is another thing entirely to suggest that I’m advocating violence.

Again. Why are you not banned?

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

–So what was the whole point of the post by highhopes then? Did he want us to have their website in case we wanted to make some appointments?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I am not sure why the clinic was brought up. Saying that his/her desire is to bomb it is the usual stretching and cowardice you display in most other threads, so that would be my reasoning for dubbing it as such.

I did notice the flowery, frilly nature of said site, which does indeed turn the stomach.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

–I condemn it. Happy now. But I still think you’re pure evil if you think that a failure to report a fake violation (and, in some of these cases, it’s not at all clear that the law requires a report in particular cases because of the actual language of the statute) is the same as the systematic real sexual abuse of children by up to 4% of your priests, the failure to take steps to stop that abuse and the attempt to cover up the abuse.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:40 PM

I am happy. See, condemning child abuse isn’t so hard, is it?

And I’m not quite sure how much plainer I can be than saying, anyone who is a pedophile belongs in jail. Anyone who covers up for a pedophile belongs in jail.

But it isn’t at all unclear about reporting abuse. There is no state that I’m aware of where the age of sexual consent is 13. As fas as I am aware, in every state if medical or educational professionals even SUSPECT abuse they are compelled to report it. A pregnant 13 year old girl who claimes to be impregnated by a 30-something year old man is by anyone’s (who isn’t a pedophile) definition sexual abuse.

Even if the statues are somehow unclear, human decency should make the choice clear.

But why the moral equilivance? Why do you think I’m pure evil for frowning on pedophilia and people who cover it up?
I’ve stated more times than even you can pretend to ignore that I want all pedophiles and people who cover them up jailed. A PP counsellor who sees a 13 year old claiming to have been impregnated by a 30-something year old and instead of reporting it, tells the 13 year old how to cover the whole thing up is pretty evil to me.

Why isn’t she evil to you?

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

–I’m fine with my soul.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:51 PM

(o.o)/ And that’s why you’re called pure evil.

KinleyArdal on February 10, 2010 at 5:56 PM

So are you saying you’d like to see it bombed again?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM
You need to be banned. It’s one thing to make personal attacks against me. It is another thing entirely to suggest that I’m advocating violence.

Again. Why are you not banned?

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

–I didn’t “suggest” that you’re advocating violence. I asked if that’s what you wanted to happen since you didn’t explain why you wrote that post. Do you want to explain why you all of a sudden wrote a post with a link to a bombed abortion clinic?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Do you want to explain why you all of a sudden wrote a post with a link to a bombed abortion clinic?

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Why haven’t you been banned you mindless troll? I hate it that morons like you can taint a thread with your crap.

I provided that link because that event is the touchstone for you monsters. Every single discussion of abortion factories reference that particular bombing as if it proves your pro-murder stance is justified by a single death of a security guard. I wanted to demonstrate that there is little difference between PP and this abortion factory. I proved my point but you are still and evil idiot that needs to be banned for your attacks.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 6:04 PM

But it isn’t at all unclear about reporting abuse. There is no state that I’m aware of where the age of sexual consent is 13. As fas as I am aware, in every state if medical or educational professionals even SUSPECT abuse they are compelled to report it. A pregnant 13 year old girl who claimes to be impregnated by a 30-something year old man is by anyone’s (who isn’t a pedophile) definition sexual abuse.

I’ve stated more times than even you can pretend to ignore that I want all pedophiles and people who cover them up jailed. A PP counsellor who sees a 13 year old claiming to have been impregnated by a 30-something year old and instead of reporting it, tells the 13 year old how to cover the whole thing up is pretty evil to me.

Why isn’t she evil to you?

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

–In some cases, PP and doctors may not be permitted to disclose health-related information to third parties because of HIPAA. You, for instance, can report child abuse to the police if it qualifies as child abuse but in roughly a third of the states it’s only child abuse if a parent or guardian committed the abuse. And in some other states “health authorities” don’t include people like receptionists, etc., so it depends on who it was reported to.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:05 PM

I provided that link because that event is the touchstone for you monsters. Every single discussion of abortion factories reference that particular bombing as if it proves your pro-murder stance is justified by a single death of a security guard…..
highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 6:04 PM

–This discussion of abortion on this thread never discussed that bombing until you brought it up.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:07 PM

But it isn’t at all unclear about reporting abuse. There is no state that I’m aware of where the age of sexual consent is 13. As fas as I am aware, in every state if medical or educational professionals even SUSPECT abuse they are compelled to report it. A pregnant 13 year old girl who claimes to be impregnated by a 30-something year old man is by anyone’s (who isn’t a pedophile) definition sexual abuse.

It’s not that clear in many states, according to this 2004 report (which is likely out of date):
http://www.hhs.gov/opa/pubs/statutory-rape-state-laws.pdf

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:09 PM

This discussion of abortion on this thread never discussed that bombing until you brought it up.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:07 PM

You are a simpleton.

CWforFreedom on February 10, 2010 at 6:10 PM

This discussion of abortion on this thread never discussed that bombing until you brought it up.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:07 PM

What discussion? This thread is nothing but your moronic bleatings about abortion and your own issues with the Roman Catholic Church and those of us with a point of view you can’t stand. That isn’t a discussion- you dirty troll.

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 6:11 PM

It’s not that clear in many states, according to this 2004 report (which is likely out of date):
http://www.hhs.gov/opa/pubs/statutory-rape-state-laws.pdf

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:09 PM

So if the law isn’t clear then in your mind it is okay to do a 13 year old. I’m impressed with your thinking. Not.

chemman on February 10, 2010 at 6:20 PM

–In some cases, PP and doctors may not be permitted to disclose health-related information to third parties because of HIPAA. You, for instance, can report child abuse to the police if it qualifies as child abuse but in roughly a third of the states it’s only child abuse if a parent or guardian committed the abuse. And in some other states “health authorities” don’t include people like receptionists, etc., so it depends on who it was reported to.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 6:05 PM

1. HIPAA, 45 CFR 160, says

(c) The provision of State law, including State procedures established under such law, as applicable, provides for the reporting of disease or injury, child abuse, birth, or death, or for the conduct of public health surveillance, investigation, or intervention.

so the idea that there’s real confusion about telling the cops about a girl being raped is silly.

2. I think you’ll find in any regulated profession, the boss can’t duck mandated duties by saying, “Oh, well, that situation involved Sheila, and she’s just staff”.

3. Of course, it does not matter, to a clinic operating in GA, whether 2/3rds, or 4/5ths, or 5, of the 50 states in the Union, require something of a clinic; what matters is what the State of Georgia orders them to do.

4. I very much doubt the State of Georgia totally screwed up by punishing PP for something the laws of the State of Georgia don’t require them to do; so you can stop offering statements of probability that it was required in Georgia.

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Jimbo3 is a straight up liar. He speaks from a foundation of moral depravity and peppers his posts with fake or made-up statistics, i.e., there are 5000 confirmed cases of priest abuse. Where did you get that statistic? Oh, let me guess, wikipedia?

Every time you post, it is something that drags down the level of discourse and is ugly and perverted in nature, i.e., when you proudly proclaimed and defended that you would encourage your daughter to have an abortion.

You strike me as someone who really loves to see human nature degraded and debauched. A father who would encourage his daughter to experience the hell of killing her own child is the ultimate debaucher and sexually creepy to the max. You also strike me as someone who relishes pornograpy.

You think because you can string together a sentence or two that these other things are hidden, but I can assure you, you are transparent as glass. You come on line only to degrade others with the darkness in your own life. Your enthusiasm for death and destruction is truly weird and spooky. It must make your legs tingle to know that PP is the largest abortion provider in the USA.

I hope someday you will arise from the filth in which you now lay; you were not made for such low and loathsome ways.

I hope others on this site realize that answering your baited, false and hateful posts only drags us all down while giving you a sense of power and fulfillment for all of the most disgusting reasons.

People need to stop giving you the benefit of civil conversation/allowing you to hijack a thread, when all you have to offer is dreck.

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Birmingham is in AL, isn’t it?

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 6:24 PM

I appreciate you posting that link. I’m going to post the law in AL, where the center was put on probation. It’s pretty clear to anyone by this guidline that reporting by the PP center was manditory.

ALABAMA
A. Statutory Rape—Criminal Offenses
An individual is deemed incapable of consent if he or she is less than 16 years of age,1 with the
following exceptions:
· Sexual intercourse with a victim who is greater than 12 years of age and less than 16 years of
age is not considered rape if the defendant is less than 2 years older than the victim.2
· Sexual contact with a victim who is greater than 12 years of age and less than 16 years of age
is legal as long as the defendant is less than 19 years of age.3
Children under 12 years of age are unable to consent to a sexual act regardless of the age of the
defendant (although the act is only considered rape in cases where the defendant is at least 16
years of age)

So, a 13 year old stating she was impregnated by a 30-something year old is by definition in the state of AL statutory rape.

Let’s look at the part about manditory reporters…

B. Child Abuse Reporting Requirements
1. Inclusion of statutory rape in reporting requirements
Alabama statutes require mandated reporters to report all instances where they suspect a child
to be a victim of child abuse.

2. Mandatory reporters
Mandatory reporters include: physical and mental health providers; school teachers and
officials; law enforcement officials; social workers; day care workers or employees; or any other
person called upon to render aid or medical assistance to any child.

There is nothing difficult or unclear here. They were MANDATED to report the suspected abuse and didn’t. And it was caught on tape. Just getting a probationary status doesn’t go nearly far enough.

Do you still maintain that covering up for child abuse is only evil if done by the Catholic Church, or are you ready to admit it’s pretty evil no matter who does it, even people who perform or help to perform abortions?

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 6:41 PM

You need to be banned. It’s one thing to make personal attacks against me. It is another thing entirely to suggest that I’m advocating violence.

Again. Why are you not banned?

highhopes on February 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

You really are a pompous ass highhopes. Save the fake outrage and grow a spine. You whine like a little girl.

Jimbo, I’ve recently changed my mind on the abortion issue and would categorize myself as pro-life at this point. This change was based on scientific and civil liberties reasons and not any sort of biblical mumbo jumbo. You’ve got to know that you’re wasting your time arguing this issue with bat sh*t crazy fundamentalists such as highhopes.

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM

Glad you saw the light on the basic facts of life and death.
However, you really are barking up the wrong tree when you decide to insult the Word of God, Chrisians in general and highopes in particular. His posts have always been articulate, intelligent and insightful. I don’t see that with you, here.

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 6:53 PM

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 6:53 PM

I have no problem “insulting” fundamentalists of whatever stripe, religious or otherwise. To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, “fundamentalism poisons everything”. BTW, I’ve not seen much intelligence or insight from you either, so neener ,neener, neener.

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 6:57 PM

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 6:53 PM

I have no problem “insulting” fundamentalists of whatever stripe, religious or otherwise. To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, “fundamentalism poisons everything”. BTW, I’ve not seen much intelligence or insight from you either, so neener ,neener, neener.

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 6:57 PM

As you say, you may have no problem doing any of the above, but your post certainly proves that you do have big problems.

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 7:01 PM

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 7:01 PM

And therein lies the rub. To folks like you, anybody who doesn’t believe your version of THE TRUTH has “big problems”. Save the sanctimonious BS for somebody willing to buy such nonsense. You’re being scammed tiger…organized religion is a racket and fundamentalist religion is dangerous and poisonous.

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 7:10 PM

This change was based on scientific and civil liberties reasons and not any sort of biblical mumbo jumbo. You’ve got to know that you’re wasting your time arguing this issue with bat sh*t crazy fundamentalists…

And therein lies the rub. To folks like you, anybody who doesn’t believe your version of THE TRUTH has “big problems”. Save the sanctimonious BS for somebody willing to buy such nonsense. You’re being scammed…

Chris_Balsz on February 10, 2010 at 7:12 PM

Chris, buddy. I realize you’re trying to be clever, but that last post really only makes sense inside that head of yours. Just sayin’ brah.

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 7:19 PM

“Fundamentalism poisons everything” dakine on February 10, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Doesn’t being fundamentally opposed to people with fundamental religious beliefs that do not adhere to your own set of strict basic principles not make you a fundamentalist? It’s just a theory but your Hitchens quote does bear it out.

mike_NC9 on February 10, 2010 at 7:22 PM

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 7:01 PM

And therein lies the rub. To folks like you, anybody who doesn’t believe your version of THE TRUTH has “big problems”. Save the sanctimonious BS for somebody willing to buy such nonsense. You’re being scammed tiger…organized religion is a racket and fundamentalist religion is dangerous and poisonous.

dakine on February 10, 2010 at 7:10 PM

No, dakine. You have no idea where the rub lies. “Folks like me” (I assume you mean Christians, and not in a complimentary way), do not scold you for whether or not you are a believer. You make that choice with your God-given free will.

However, You are being called on the carpet for an insulting bigotry which you seem to be learning at the knee of your hero, Christopher Hitchens. May I quote you here? Let’s see, “biblical mumbo jumbo”; “sanctimonious BS”; and the ever popular “batsh8t crazy fundamentalists”. How do you get off throwing out such ugly little insults, and how small a person does that show you to be?

If you really want to read something that will lift your spirit and help your soul, Hitchens is not your man. Why don’t you go online at http://www.vatican.va and try reading any letter or encyclical by John Paul II? Pick something that piques curiosity or your desire for knowledge. Just to show that you have some idea of what the big bad Christians really are saying. If you used your powers of reason to come to a pro-life position, maybe you could use the same to learn more about Christianity. And not from those who are ignorant misrepresenters, as is Hitchens. Just a thought.

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM

As one who thinks that a woman should be able to choose abortion and has a right to her own body, I find PP to be a disgusting organization. Minors do not have the rights of adults, even if one sides with notion that a woman has a right to choose an abortion. Aside from provisions for judicial bypass in extraordinary circumstances, I firmly believe that parental notification is fully justified.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2010 at 8:00 PM

I guess Jimbo can’t bring himself to admit that even people who aren’t part of the Catholic Church that cover up for pedophilia are evil. Too bad, that article he linked to was great to prove the opposite of his point.

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Activists with “Live Action,” a California-based anti-abortion group,

Sorry, but that phrase really rubs me the wrong way.

Can’t the MSM call it “pro-life” rather than “anti-abortion?”

I notice they never hesitate to call pro-abortionists “pro-chioice.”

UltimateBob on February 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I’d rather them (pro-lifers) be called the “anti-murder activists.”

citrus on February 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Very soon the Planned Parenthoods and Acorns of the world are going to have to play it straight because they will never know who is a true customer and who is planning a sting operation. That is what I call turning the tables. Or as Alinsky says, \”Make them play by their own rules.\” You make your living lying, then don\’t be surprised when other play the \”bearing false witness\” game upon you.

PrincipledPilgrim on February 10, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Jimbo,, are you the abortion expert on Hotair? If you are so proud of aborting babies then why are you ashamed of having pictures of these poor souls hidden from the public? You once said it was no worse then someone being operated on but people who are being operated are being helped and those who are aborted are being eliminated permanently. The Catholic Church with all of its bad things is still trying to help people and support life. PP is an evil place that promotes abortions and death. The place reeks of Stalin’s gulags and Hitlers death camps. Someday you will have to answer for this stuff.

garydt on February 10, 2010 at 11:37 PM

I was catching up on all the comments when I saw Jimbo3 talking about reporting laws. It looks like people have already mentioned that the law is pretty clear.

I investigate child abuse. The law in my state is very clear who is a mandated reporter. In fact, you have 48 hours to make a report to the state. It’s simple, these people hid what was a reportable offense. Hell, if you want take abortion out of the equation. They still broke the law.*

*I guess I should say allegedly for any lawyer types.

4k78 on February 11, 2010 at 12:19 AM

–Some of us don’t consider those to be “people” “murdered”, but whatever.

Jimbo3 on February 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Yeah, and some people didn’t condsider those “negroes” to be “people” either, but whatever.

CDeb on February 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM

Oh my! Are Obama’s Feds in the Justice Department gonna let some measly state law enforcement yokels get away with this?

olesparkie on February 11, 2010 at 8:44 AM

God help your dark soul, Jimbo3. *shakes head*

Lady Heather on February 11, 2010 at 9:53 AM

You come on line only to degrade others with the darkness in your own life.

People need to stop giving you the benefit of civil conversation/allowing you to hijack a thread, when all you have to offer is dreck.

tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Amen Tigerlilly. And for a guy that said he supported Obamas Health Care Bill because he was not able to pay for his own, he sure spends a lot of time on line. Get off the computer, get a second job and quit asking for handouts.

hawkdriver on February 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Jimbo3 is a straight up liar. He speaks from a foundation of moral depravity and peppers his posts with fake or made-up statistics, i.e., there are 5000 confirmed cases of priest abuse. Where did you get that statistic? Oh, let me guess, wikipedia?
……..
tigerlily on February 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM

In a statement, read out by Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi in September 2009, the Holy See stated “We know now that in the last 50 years somewhere between 1.5% and 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse cases,” adding that this figure was comparable with that of other groups and denominations.

Jimbo3 on February 15, 2010 at 5:23 PM

. Mandatory reporters
Mandatory reporters include: physical and mental health providers; school teachers and
officials; law enforcement officials; social workers; day care workers or employees; or any other
person called upon to render aid or medical assistance to any child.
There is nothing difficult or unclear here. They were MANDATED to report the suspected abuse and didn’t. And it was caught on tape. Just getting a probationary status doesn’t go nearly far enough.

…….

DrAllecon on February 10, 2010 at 6:41 PM

–Depending on if they fit the definition of “physical and mental health providers”. A receptionist wouldn’t necessarily be one.

Jimbo3 on February 15, 2010 at 5:25 PM

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