Obama to hold health-care symposium with Republicans

posted at 10:55 am on February 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

In an effort to rescue the drowning ObamaCare bill, Barack Obama will hold a televised meeting with leaders in Congress to attempt to advance some kind of reform effort this year.  The White House has set half a day aside on February 25th for an open meeting on fresh ideas for a compromise that can pass both chambers of Congress and get to his desk for a signature.  However, leaders of both parties feel pessimistic about the chance for anything other than a photo op:

President Barack Obama is planning to host a televised meeting with Republican and Democratic congressional leaders on health care reform.

The Feb. 25 meeting is an attempt to reach across the aisle but not a signal that the president plans to start over, as Republicans have demanded, a White House official said.

“I want to come back [after the Presidents Day congressional recess] and have a large meeting — Republicans and Democrats — to go through, systematically, all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward,” Obama said in an interview with Katie Couric during CBS’s Super Bowl pre-game show Sunday.

Many critics contend that Obama intends on using the forum to shift the blame for ObamaCare’s failure onto the Republicans, and certainly there’s nothing he’d like better.  However, Obama and the Democrats had all of the votes they needed for almost seven months to pass ObamaCare without the GOP — and they failed to get it done.  Now that Scott Brown has assumed his seat in the Senate, Democrats have no chance to move forward on this bill without getting Republicans involved.

The real motive for Obama is to address two criticisms that have overwhelmed public perception of his presidency after the first year.  The backroom wheeling and dealing on ObamaCare made a mockery of his claims to have heightened transparency in Washington, especially since November.  The Cornhusker Kickback and the Louisiana Purchase showed that Democrats are just as bad as anyone they’ve criticized for shabby and shady deals, and actually a good deal worse.  Obama himself invited union lobbyists while locking out Republicans in the first two weeks of January, apparently convinced that Martha Coakley would hold that Massachusetts seat for the Democrats.

Obama wants the meeting televised so that he can start claiming transparency again, but also to demonstrate some leadership.  Al Franken’s angry dressing-down of David Axelrod last week showed that Congressional Democrats are fed up with a President who likes to talk endlessly about himself but refuses to engage and take on some of the political risk he shoves onto them instead.  His White House has become adrift and increasingly disconnected from the public, which is part of the reason why his approval numbers have sunk this quickly.  A televised event like this will restore some of the veneer of leadership Obama has lost.

Still, there is a significant risk that Republicans will get attacked from all quarters during this round-robin event, and Hugh Hewitt offers some good advice to Rep. John Boehner and Sen. Mitch McConnell in three points Republicans must make:

1.  There can be no comprehensive health care cost control and thus no real health care reform without tort reform.  In addition to a national cap on pain and suffering damages similar to California’s, we will offer some other keys to controlling the cost of defensive medicine in this country.  We urge you to ask your colleagues to refrain from immediately rushing to the defense of the plaintiffs’ bar.  The only way to stop the rising cost of medicine is to stop the need for doctors to practice with a lawyer on both shoulders.

2.  There is an enormous need for an interstate market in health care policies.  We should move immediately to eliminate this artificial and extremely expensive obstacle to the lowering of the cost of health insurance.

3.  There can be no long term confidence in our health care system without confidence in a growing, vibrant and robust economy, one freed from crippling entitlement debt and massive borrowing.  Therefore we will use our last presentation to acquaint you and your colleagues with the details of Congressman Paul Ryan’s “Roadmap,” which we believe could be enacted in parallel with comprehensive health care reform thus setting our domestic policy house in order.

Hugh finishes with an insistence on holding a similar forum on national security in order to discuss Mirandizing terrorists, which wouldn’t be a bad forum to watch, either.

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ninjapirate on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

The “party of NO” image is OK with me.

jodetoad on February 8, 2010 at 11:29 AM

I think this is the right time to push a GOP solution.

I really do.

AnninCA on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Baxter Greene on February 8, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Jim DeMint
Tom Coburn, M.D.

Wethal on February 8, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Bring them on…
…..just be ready this time.

…one question on Coburn

Is he one of the Republicans that whined about running away from Obama on this and suggested that they avoid anymore televised events….?????

Baxter Greene on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Republicans should refuse to show up unless democrats stop their current back door negotiations…

ninjapirate on February 8, 2010 at 11:35 AM

The GOp should demand time for Ryan to present his plan at this meeting with equal staging to Obama.

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM

That will never happen. Obama couldn’t even answer Ryan’s questions at the last GOP summit and cut Ryan off.

Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM

BTW, I love how he now wants to hear republican ideas… even though all last year he refused to meet with republicans for like 7 months all the while saying that they had ho ideas…

ninjapirate on February 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Don’t GO! Without the scrapping of the current bill this is just a raise the Titanic effort on the backs of the Repubs by Pinnochio. he will lie, misstate, mislead and mis characterise and the media will play the soundbites that make Pinnochio look good and the Repubs look foolish. Instead schedule a nationally televised address to the people by the selected Repub to address tort reform , portability and healthcare saving accounts.

IF YOU WRESTLE WITH A PIG THE PIG LOVES IT AND YOU GET DIRTY!
Nothing good will come of a debate with Pinnochio!

dhunter on February 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM

This smells like a total trap for Republicans. The MSM will pick apart everything, feed Obowmao’s ego, support the Dems in every way, and paint a picture of an elitist party beholding to big business–namely the Pubs. I wonder how much face nose-in-the-air time O will get.

I swear, if O met Narcissus, he’d tell the Greek to quit staring into the pool and pay attention to him.

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM

one question on Coburn

Is he one of the Republicans that whined about running away from Obama on this and suggested that they avoid anymore televised events….?????

Baxter Greene on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Never mind …
….that was John Cornyn..

Baxter Greene on February 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

What a bunch of B.S. It’s just a chance to get his ugly mug on the T.V. again. “If” the Republicans go, I hope they get in there and don’t say “no”. They should say “HELL NO”. People out here will stand up and cheer.

suzyk on February 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

I think this is the right time to push a GOP solution.

I really do.

AnninCA on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

There is only one GOP solution. A do-over. Scrap what’s out there and start anew. You don’t need a photo op with Obama to say that. How can they possiblly put a fix on 2000 pages of regulations? If that’s what Obama wants then lets start with reading every single page on live television.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Perhaps the GOP won’t fall for this trap:

Republicans gave a chilly reception Monday to President Barack Obama’s invitation to discuss health care in a bipartisan, televised setting later this month, part of the White House effort to revive the stalled legislation.

The House and Senate GOP leaders said Obama and his fellow Democrats must shelve their long-debated health care bill, which was on the verge of becoming law until Republican Scott Brown won a special Senate election in Massachusetts last month. The White House says Obama has no plans to do so but is willing to hear Republicans’ ideas.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_health_care

Rebar on February 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Did you hear Ryan on Don and Roma this morning? Tha guy is good. Obama’s handlers would not allow Ryan to be on stage with Ryan mono y mono. I think Ryan would grab that mop and use it on Obama.

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Sebelius: Obama Will ‘Accelerate’ Health-Care after Summit [Daniel Foster]

It looks as though the White House is prepared for one more health-care reform push after the “summit” scheduled for the end of the month:

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Monday that President Obama is willing to “add various elements” to health care legislation suggested by Republican lawmakers during an upcoming bipartisan meeting on the topic. But he won’t change the entire plan and he is “absolutely not” hitting the reset button on the legislative process, the former Kansas governor insisted.

In a brief interview with the Huffington Post following a speech to an audience of health care professionals, Sebelius said that the president views the bipartisan meeting as a needed pivot to move reform forward. Asked if he will expedite the legislative process following his various sit-downs with congressional Republicans, she replied:

“I certainly think so. I think he sees this as a step to actually accelerating the process forward. He wants to move forward. He wants a bill at his desk and he sees this as kind of closing the loop and let’s go.”

NRO

As noted in my post above, while this bipartisan photo-op is going on, the Dems will still try to work out reconciliation behind closed doors.

They will use this summit to reassure wavering Dems that they can vote for reconciliation, because if the GOP objects, the response will be:

“Well the GOP had its chance to suggest changes at the meeting. Since they weren’t helpful the Dems just had to push through with reconciliation.”

Therefore, the reconciliation push through was the GOP’s fault.

Wethal on February 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

A little tactical advice for the Repubs, when caught in a near ambush the best tactic is to rush the enemy with all guns blazing. The other option is to sit in the kill zone and get dead.

Make the point that the current legislation is junk and rather then trying to put a band aid on a patient that is hemmoraghing it is time to start over. Their is no sense looking for Republican ideas to further bloat the current bill. Make it clear that while you have ideas, they need to be part of a new legislative effort.

Make sure to stress that if the Democrats had allowed you to present your ideas earlier they may not be in the mess. The true party of NO was the Dems. As in, no you can’t attend this closed door session. No there are no bennies in this for you. No your constituents are not as important as union leaders.

Be prepared to respond to the Dems constant “human interest” stories that they are going to tell to appeal to the emotion of the issue.

Just A Grunt on February 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Paul Ryan.

Wethal on February 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM
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Yup:)

ohiobabe on February 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

The GOp should demand time for Ryan to present his plan at this meeting with equal staging to Obama.

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM

That will never happen. Obama couldn’t even answer Ryan’s questions at the last GOP summit and cut Ryan off.

Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Then the GOP wins…..

I think that is a Great Idea…..
…demand equal time to present our plan…..
……..no equal time ….no televised meeting.

Baxter Greene on February 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Make sure to stress that if the Democrats had allowed you to present your ideas earlier they may not be in the mess. The true party of NO was the Dems. As in, no you can’t attend this closed door session. No there are no bennies in this for you. No your constituents are not as important as union leaders.

Exactly…

ninjapirate on February 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

A televised event like this will restore some of the veneer of leadership Obama has lost.

Ed, you said it best. The one word is the operative word….

PrincipledPilgrim on February 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Still, there is a significant risk that Republicans will get attacked from all quarters during this round-robin event

Ya think?

No doubt R’s didn’t negotiate this well. There should be provision for a 50/50 split for face time on TV. The R’s say their stuff, the O’s say their stuff.

Then pull the plug and talk about more serious stuff, like the debt that the O’s luv so much…yum yum, lets spend some more OPM.

In fact let’s just call it OGM, Other Generations’ Money.

r keller on February 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM

If the GOP is dumb enough to agree with this ruse, they deserve to die as a political party.

Seriously, just ignore the TOTUS and kill off ObamaCare once and for all.

Norwegian on February 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

I think this is the right time to push a GOP solution.

I really do.

AnninCA on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Oh, please. The GOP ideas about health insurance are out there and have been out there since the beginning. They take all of two minutes to explain to anyone. There is nothing that needs to be “pushed” – other than the idea that The Precedent has an IQ around 73 and shouldn’t be trusted on anything that takes more than two brain cells.

Tell me Ann, how do you even begin to reason with someone who thinks there are such things as “profit and earnings ratios”? Do you understand what that phrase said about the intelligence (extreme lack, thereof) of The Precedent? Talking to such a profound idiot about anything serious, anything that requires more than an 8th grade level of mathematical sophistication, would be like explaining quantum theory to a worm.

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

No doubt R’s didn’t negotiate this well. There should be provision for a 50/50 split for face time on TV. The R’s say their stuff, the O’s say their stuff.

BTW, what is the format of this little summit?

Republicans should refuse to go if Obama gets to control the conversation… if Obama gets to command control then Republicans should just send straw men in their place…

ninjapirate on February 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

demand equal time to present our plan…..
……..no equal time ….no televised meeting.

Baxter Greene on February 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM

That exactly what I would do as a GOP leader. If the GOP is not treated as equals, then declare the meeting a farce and do not attend.

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 11:45 AM

I think this is the right time to push a GOP solution.

I really do.

AnninCA on February 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

There’s no such thing as a political solution. No political party, no ideology, no government can solve problems. People, themselves, are the solutions and always have been.

Remove restrictions imposed by government, and the people prosper. Government didn’t create the McCormick Reaper, which allowed more efficient harvesting so people wouldn’t go hungry. In time, because of it, America had a surplus of food. The government didn’t make that happen. One man with a vision made it happen.

Maybe even the cotton gin decreased a ‘need’ for slaves in America. Government didn’t create that, either. It was Eli Whitney–one man.

Solutions to problems happen fastest and best when people aren’t restricted by government.

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

In his rallying cry to a crowd of cheering supporters on Thursday, Mr. Obama described, in the clearest terms yet, his vision of how to enact comprehensive health legislation: House and Senate Democrats would resolve their differences and decide on a “final bill.” They would then invite “our Republican friends to present their ideas.” The president would convene a meeting of Democrats, Republicans and health care experts to debate the proposals, in plain-spoken terms, for the benefit of the American people.

From Karl’s Green Room post.

It sounds like the Dems secretly work out their differences before 2/25. Then they publicly present the 2000+ pages to the GOP, and say “what’s wrong with it?” Most likely having given the GOP no time to read it, too.

Wethal on February 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Danger! Will Robinson, Danger!
Stupid Party Congresscritters about to work their Magic!

james23 on February 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

I look forward to watching Obama wipe the floor with the party of No.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Please, tell me the GOP is not dumb enough to walk into this beartrap, again. Reagan could eat Barry’s lunch in this kind of setting. There is no one in the GOP in Reagan’s league. Just say no, GOP. Then run, not walk, away from this ‘offer’.

JimP on February 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Solutions to problems happen fastest and best when people aren’t restricted by government.

Liam

That sure worked with Civil Rights didn’t it?

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Obama continuously claims that 30+ million people are denied affordable Health Insurance.

If 10 Million of those people can afford it, but chose not to buy it, ask Obama why he expects the American people to purchase Health Insurance for the ‘wealthy’. You know the democrats would be running ads 24/7 howling about “Free Health Insurance for the Wealthy” if the tables were turned.

If another 10 Million of those people already qualify for government assistance but are not using it, then ask him why we need another massive government program for these same people.

If he can’t be honest about the 30 Million number, then we have nothing more to talk about.

cntrlfrk on February 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Please, tell me the GOP is not dumb enough to walk into this beartrap, again. Reagan could eat Barry’s lunch in this kind of setting. There is no one in the GOP in Reagan’s league. Just say no, GOP. Then run, not walk, away from this ‘offer’.

You’re right. The GOP knows that on a level playing field their “ideas” just can’t pass muster.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM

IMO, the Republican position on health care reform (or whatever they are calling it today) should be: You all have monkeyed around with this for a full year while our economy is sinking and people are still losing their jobs. Our ideas on health care reform are well known: 1. allow sale of insurance across state lines to increase competition and reduce cost, 2. tort reform to reduce costs of defensive medicine and malpractice insurance (which is passed on to consumers), 3. no mandates, 4. no federal government involvement in deciding what is, or isn’t, included in any health insurance policy – let the markets decide once competition is opened, 5. encourage transparency of health care costs to consumers and encourage consumers to be prudent purchasers of health care. We don’t need a photo op and we don’t want to get dragged into the mess you have made of the health care issue. You get back to us when you are ready to pass a bill that has the five points listed above – and no others. In the meantime, we’ll be right over here still working on ways to help our economy grow and help businesses provide much needed jobs to our countrymen.

jdp629 on February 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Be prepared to respond to the Dems constant “human interest” stories that they are going to tell to appeal to the emotion of the issue.

Those damn humans with their emotions.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Did you hear Ryan on Don and Roma this morning? Tha guy is good. Obama’s handlers would not allow Ryan to be on stage with Ryan mono y mono. I think Ryan would grab that mop and use it on Obama.

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Haven’t listened to Don and Roma since the Gacy Day Parade.

Too early, I’m still snoozing. LOL!

Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM

That sure worked with Civil Rights didn’t it?

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Yes, it did. MLK and those with him weren’t shot for opposing Jim Crow laws and all else that held black Americans from the rights enjoyed by whites. The people made the difference, not the government.

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM

have a bad feeling about this but they have to go in, however, they had better bring their cajones and be prepared to take him down…dear leader is a worthless hap, they need to call him out…

cmsinaz on February 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I look forward to watching Obama wipe the floor with the party of No.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

He couldn’t wipe the floor with his Senate of 60. Loser

LOL.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM

The GOP knows that on a level playing field their “ideas” just can’t pass muster.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM

More has to do with reluctance at calling Obama a liar when it is warranted and to rudely interrupt him when he goes on and on against another strawman argument, no one in the GOP or anywhere else is making.

Obama doesn’t care about their ideas. If he did, they are all in plain view.

All he wants is one last chance to lasso this health care “reform” albatross and he thinks his charming personality can save the sewer Pelosi and Reid built while he was out apologizing for America and holding fund raisers.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

There can be no comprehensive health care cost control and thus no real health care reform without tort reform. In addition to a national cap on pain and suffering damages similar to California’s, we will offer some other keys to controlling the cost of defensive medicine in this country. We urge you to ask your colleagues to refrain from immediately rushing to the defense of the plaintiffs’ bar. The only way to stop the rising cost of medicine is to stop the need for doctors to practice with a lawyer on both shoulders.

–One of my doctors in Texas (which has the $250K cap) says he still practices preventive medicine. He said that it’s the people on Medicaid or welfare or otherwise get free care that he’s worried about, because those people are much more likely to sue.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

This is an ambush with the media ready pile on. Now we get to see whether the repubs are the same as dems to settle Glen Beck’s point of view. If the Repubs lay down or miss this opportunity to ‘win’ the day to are complicit with the destruction of this country.

serendip2b on February 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 11:45 AM

but look who we have…mcconnell will just let it through

cmsinaz on February 8, 2010 at 11:55 AM

I look forward to watching Obama wipe the floor with the party of No.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Wiping the floor is about the only thing that your Indonesian imbecile is qualified (or eligible) to do. Grab a mop, moron.

And, in case you missed it, Massachusetts voted for someone SPECIFICALLY to say “No!!!” to your un-Constitutional, un-American, Indonesian-style health care takeover.

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

That sure worked with Civil Rights didn’t it?

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Did government resolve that? When’s the parade?

There’s no such thing as a political solution. No political party, no ideology, no government can solve problems. People, themselves, are the solutions and always have been.

Exactly. Showcase the Party of No: No federal responsibility, No interference with the market, No new entitlements.

Chris_Balsz on February 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Indonesian

Racist. He’s as American as you are.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

President Barack Obama is planning to host a televised meeting with Republican and Democratic congressional leaders on health care reform.

Republicans need to go from “the party of no” to “the party of hell no”!
What have the Republicans to gain from this meeting? Absolutely nothing! And what to they stand to lose? Every advantage they now have.
There will be three entities involved in this meeting. The Democrats, the Republicans, and Obama. Does anyone smell a rat here.
Run from this Republicans! The trap looms.
Please show us you’ve gotten smarter than this.

donh525 on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

This guy is the biggest f’n phony on the planet. If there are still Americans that believe his b.s., shame on you

rjoco1 on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Racist. He’s as American as you are.
Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Maybe. But he sure doesn’t act like he’s from around here.

kingsjester on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Republicans gave a chilly reception Monday to President Barack Obama’s invitation to discuss health care in a bipartisan, televised setting later this month, part of the White House effort to revive the stalled legislation.

–So, the GOP want to let the US public know it’s afraid to talk to Obama and the public on TV about health care? Boy, that sends a strong message about the GOP in general and the GOP leadership.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Who in his right mind would enter a Poker game where the deck is stacked, the cards are marked, and you don’t know the markings?

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Racist. He’s as American as you are.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

LOL.

“I was a little Jakarta street kid.” — The Precedent

Yep. Really American, there. We can tell by how he respects our institutions, traditions and Constitution …

You traitors have let your masks slip off. There is nowhere for you to hide your obvious hate of America. Your election of an ineligible third worlder who is more Indonesian in his sensibilities than American was your shark jump.

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Racist. He’s as American as you are.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Are you old enough to use such language? Just askin’, because….

donh525 on February 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Racist. He’s as American as you are.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Really? I don’t recall traveling around the world at taxpayer expense, bad mouthing my country in every hell hole third world dictatorship.

Barack Obama physically occupies a space in America. That’s all I will concede. He’s nothing to me otherwise.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

–So, the GOP want to let the US public know it’s afraid to talk to Obama and the public on TV about health care? Boy, that sends a strong message about the GOP in general and the GOP leadership.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM

The donks spent six months behind closed doors putting together the healthcare plan from hell. They didn’t want the republicans, the media, or anyone else to know what they were up to.

I say the donks were the scaredy-cats, hinding in their closet safe from any scrutiny.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

You traitors have let your masks slip off. There is nowhere for you to hide your obvious hate of America. Your election of an ineligible third worlder who is more Indonesian in his sensibilities than American was your shark jump.

Indonesian “sensibilities”? So being a citizen isn’t enough now? Now we have to pass the “sensibility” test? Who administers it? You? The Tea Party movement? And you wonder why people call you a bigot.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

I say the donks were the scaredy-cats, hinding in their closet safe from any scrutiny.

fogw

We’ll see. Maybe Sarah Peron can jot a few notes down on her palm pilot and have a real debate. We’ll see how “powerful” she is then.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM

My prognostication:

The President and the dems will pretend to listen to republican ideas. They will shoot down those ideas with emotion-driven, fantasy-based rhetoric. They will not discuss any provision already included in the existing house and senate bills. They will, in the end, promise to try to include at least one republican proposal in a separate bill so as to proclaim bipartisan support. Having given bipartisanship ‘the old college try’ and in doing so, giving scared dems and just maybe a republican or two political cover, they will attempt to ram the senate bill through the house.

ROCnPhilly on February 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Indonesian “sensibilities”? So being a citizen isn’t enough now?

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

It never was enough, genius. That’s what the whole “natrual born citizen” clause was for. And dual nationals, as your Precedent admitted he held, are not natural born citizens.

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM


So, the GOP want to let the US public know it’s afraid to talk to Obama and the public on TV about health care? Boy, that sends a strong message about the GOP in general and the GOP leadership.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM
The donks spent six months behind closed doors putting together the healthcare plan from hell. They didn’t want the republicans, the media, or anyone else to know what they were up to.

I say the donks were the scaredy-cats, hinding in their closet safe from any scrutiny.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

–That was then, this is now.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Why don’t you crawl back into your hole? Again, here you are calling people racists and bigots, while doing everything you can to take the thread in another direction.

FO.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Princess Obama:

Save me Obi-Wan Republicans, you’re my only hope!

Let him twist in the wind of his own blowing.

The Dems: the Party of Oh no!

profitsbeard on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Let the President know that this meeting only takes place at the start of a legislative process, not the end of one. If he wants a meeting the agreement is: nothing to happen on the legislation already in process on this topic. Any meeting is NOT about the current bills and that this is starting completely and utterly over and that nothing will be done that will add to the federal payroll, add to the deficit, add to the debt, increase the size or power of government… nothing to intrude on the liberty of the people more than it has been trampled on already by the government and perhaps, just perhaps, wresting control of some areas away from the government because it is good fiscal policy and ensures the power is where it belongs with the people of the United States.

Otherwise, empty room time.

You ask for a wide-ranging ideas session at the start of a process. Which includes both houses.

Not the end of a failed process where you are asking for a lifeline. You may get handed some rope, however, but not a lifeline. When Obama walks into an empty room, convene elsewhere and talk directly to the American People about what you would like to see and why you are not in the room with the President.

I’m sure the Republican leadership won’t understand this and seeks some limelight and get tarred with the process. I detest ‘bi-partisanship’ as it has only gotten us more and more government.

The President is playing partisan politics: play back you fools. He wants this game, hand it to him in the most partisan fashion you can muster. He threw out the old rule book and put in the oldest one… time to remember that you are targets at all time now. Play that game and play it hard and twice as hard back at him, just as he wants to do to you.

If you can.

ajacksonian on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

So, the GOP want to let the US public know it’s afraid to talk to Obama and the public on TV about health care? Boy, that sends a strong message about the GOP in general and the GOP leadership.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Is not how those televised talks conducted not important? Should the GOP play a part in a forum that does not provide them equal standing to the President? Will the “party of NO” have 10 minute to prevent their “no existing” plan?

WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

There’s nothing more American than distrusting and disliking fraudulent politicians and monarchs who want to confiscate our money and order us around.

Barack Obama and the Democrats can take their 2,000+ pages of health care “reform” and shove it straight up their asses.

Is that clear enough?

NoDonkey on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

We’ll see. Maybe Sarah Peron can jot a few notes down on her palm pilot and have a real debate. We’ll see how “powerful” she is then.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Off topic again.

FO.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Why would they even be discussing this with Obama? The Executive Branch doesn’t make laws.

The MSM and Obama work together, so a “discussion” with Obama televised at an hour nobody will watch it, then with a few soundbites by the MSM at 6:30, is going to be a PR victory for Obama, and he knows it.

If Obama really wants a debate, have someone from Fox News interview him about health care. But he is too scared for that.

Gabe on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Now we have to pass the “sensibility” test?

About the same as Dems believing Bush was so ‘dumb’ he didn’t deserve to be President. And those who voted for him were dumber, according to all inferences in the media for eight years. And anyone who votes other than Democrat is an idiot, too. Who would administer those imaginary IQ tests?

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Why don’t you crawl back into your hole?

Nah. Sorry.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Racist. He’s as American as you are.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Sigh. Haven’t you learned yet that screaming “Racist!” doesn’t work around normal people the way it works around your kook fellow travelers?

Saying something about a (half!) black man does not automatically make the comment or the commenter racist.

For example, if one says that Obama is un-American, that really has nothing to do with race or skin color.

Crawl on back to the fever swamps.

misterpeasea on February 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

–That was then, this is now.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Profound idiocy.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

About the same as Dems believing Bush was so ‘dumb’ he didn’t deserve to be President. And those who voted for him were dumber, according to all inferences in the media for eight years. And anyone who votes other than Democrat is an idiot, too. Who would administer those imaginary IQ tests?

Liam

What does Bush have to do with it? I though the left was always accused of playing the Boosh card.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

–That was then, this is now.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Profound idiocy.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

–Yeah. By you.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

misterpeasea

Calling him Indonesian when he’s an American is a subtle form of race baiting. Would he call John McCain Panamanian?

Didn’t think so.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

What does Bush have to do with it? I though the left was always accused of playing the Boosh card.
Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:08pm

About as much as Sarah Palin has to do with it.

kingsjester on February 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

–So, the GOP want to let the US public know it’s afraid to talk to Obama and the public on TV about health care? Boy, that sends a strong message about the GOP in general and the GOP leadership.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM

No, it will let the US public see that Republicans can set their own agenda, and work toward it in their own way, without acceding to an obvious 3 way with them being on the bottom.

The strong message is, the American people don’t want this piece of crap, and until you scrap it and start over, there will be no meeting.

donh525 on February 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

–Yeah. By you.

Jimbo3 on February 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Thanks for proving my point. Again.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

I look forward to watching Obama wipe the floor with the party of No.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

REM sleep is a beautiful thing.

LibTired on February 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Off topic again.

FO.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Thread hijack underway.

a capella on February 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM

I look forward to watching Obama wipe the floor with the party of No.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

No, like chess, is an excellent game of skill. The trick is knowing when to blindside-tackle your opponent. I think the Republicans ought to ignore the topic of the meeting — Obamacare, and tackle the real issue confronting the American people — jobs. Such an act would make Obama look senile — keeps talking about things the people don’t want.

I’d love it to go there — have him give his healthcare speech, and then take over with a jobs agenda.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

We’ll see. Maybe Sarah Peron can jot a few notes down on her palm pilot and have a real debate. We’ll see how “powerful” she is then.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Or maybe Apple will come out with a handheld iTelePrompter so that she, like our president, can then bypass the whole thinking process when talking to school children or about “corpsemen”.

ROCnPhilly on February 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Calling him Indonesian when he’s an American is a subtle form of race baiting.

Is it racist to call Barack Obama an unqualified, corrupt, incompetent jackass?

Because those can come in any color.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Would he call John McCain Panamanian?

Didn’t think so.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Did McShame do his elementary school (when personalities are formed and world views are set in personalities) in Panama? Did McShame ever say, “I was a little Panamanian street kid.”? Did McShame hold back any of his important documentation, when requested, to establish his nationality status? Did McShame admit to having held other citizenships (British and Kenyan, for the Indonesian imbecile, along with being registered at Indonesian schools that, as far as we are aware, only took Indonesian citizens? Did McShame carry the name of a Panamanian father?

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

About as much as Sarah Palin has to do with it.

kingsjester

Palin’s a contender. Bush is history.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

That sure worked with Civil Rights didn’t it?

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Oh oh, let me do this one! Lack of healthcare is exactly like slavery!

Fins, you gotta do better than that.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Palin’s a contender. Bush is history.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Ah, but history has a habit of rearing up and biting one in the hinie. At least that’s what Obama keeps saying….

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Did McShame do his elementary school (when personalities are formed and world views are set in personalities) in Panama? Did McShame ever say, “I was a little Panamanian street kid.”? Did McShame hold back any of his important documentation, when requested, to establish his nationality status? Did McShame admit to having held other citizenships (British and Kenyan, for the Indonesian imbecile, along with being registered at Indonesian schools that, as far as we are aware, only took Indonesian citizens? Did McShame carry the name of a Panamanian father?

Sigh.

A birther. I knew it.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Thread hijack underway.

a capella on February 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Funny how the trolls show up thinking Obama has the upper hand again because he wants his mug on TV to talk about a subject nobody has any interest in anymore.

Thats called a success to our bridge-dwellers.

fogw on February 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Sigh.

A birther. I knew it.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

That’s the best you can do, huh? LOL.

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

neurosculptor on February 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

That seems kind of harsh rhetoric there. I actually agree with Ann in this regard, but only an idiot would accept the setting of his opponents choosing. The GOP needs to start advertising their ideas (again) because the press and Obama are specifically asking for them. Before now, the President didn’t even want to let the Republicans in the same building, and now he is almost groveling for us to save his butt. If played correctly, the GOP will be able to make significant changes to the new health care bill.

txaggie on February 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

You’re right. The GOP knows that on a level playing field their “ideas” just can’t pass muster.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM

They’ve been doing OK even with the field tilted in favor of the Democrats. 60 vote majority, own party’s President in office, and they still can’t shoot straight.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Palin’s a contender. Bush is history.
Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

It’s 2010. She’s not running for Senate or Congress. The President Election is still quite aways off and she has not declared her candidacy. Feeling a little scared, are you?
The Healthcare Bill is dead and the Emperor has no clothes.

kingsjester on February 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

ObaMao pulls the trusty canard–oh well, downright lie–that most economists agree with the Dem plan. That lie should be shot down repeatedly with detailed assessments from economists that disagree. Then, a Ryan plan idea should be interjected that demonstrates how the American people benefit from this alternative. Finally, the GOP spokesman should say that it is time to go back to the drawing board because the current bill is weak and unsustainable.

onlineanalyst on February 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

What does Bush have to do with it? I though the left was always accused of playing the Boosh card.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM

About as much as Palin, who you mentioned. I wasn’t talking about Bush, but responding to your own post of 12:03. Which you know; you got the gist of it.

I simply responded to you, in kind, calling you on your own parameters. If you don’t get that, that’s your problem.

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Calling him Indonesian when he’s an American is a subtle form of race baiting. Would he call John McCain Panamanian?
Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Did you forget we called him Juan McCain?

Chris_Balsz on February 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Racist. He’s as American as you are.

Grow Fins on February 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Thank you.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM

60 vote majority, own party’s President in office, and they still can’t shoot straight.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM

That’s because they don’t own guns. They rely on body guards, and running to Charlton Heston to borrow his when things get really tough.

Liam on February 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM

A televised meeting?

Just say NO. Don’t even bother to show. Hey, remember “We won”? F**k Barry the Indonesian and his Idiots. They’re the current heavyweight champ, and they’re on the ropes; now is not the time to get sucker-punched by a clearly phony effort to ‘make nice’.

Doorgunner on February 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM

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