Newest target of tea partiers: Er, Ron Paul

posted at 9:49 pm on February 8, 2010 by Allahpundit

I’m officially confused. I thought the tea party was all about small government. Or was WaPo right that no one’s quite sure what the tea party’s all about anymore?

Paul, the Gulf Coast congressman whose 2008 presidential run excited libertarians nationwide, even though he didn’t get much traction overall, is considered by many to be the “father of the Tea Parties.” But he has three opponents in the March Republican primary – more than he has faced in his past six primary campaigns combined…

John Gay, Paul’s third opponent, said he has attended several Tea Parties and related meetings. Both Wall, a machine supervisor, and Graney, a former small-business owner, have helped organize local rallies.

Tea Party associations aside, many of the challengers’ criticisms echo concerns of Paul’s past opponents: that he is too focused on his national ambitions; that his views are too extreme; that he doesn’t support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; that he votes “no” on everything, including federal aid for his district after Hurricane Ike.

“The word I keep hearing is ‘ineffective,’ ” said Gay, a school business administrator. “This district is not really being represented as it could be.”

The only sin Paul’s clearly guilty of in tea-party eyes is earmarking; his foreign policy is obviously a major issue, but unless I missed a memo, there’s no concrete foreign policy (i.e. isolationist vs. interventionist) that’s been settled on by a majority of tea partiers. Palin took a clear stance on national security issues in her speech, but that was the whole point of A.C. Kleinheider’s objection to it — that she was grafting neoconservative Republican ideas on terrorism onto a movement that ultimately has little to do with that. Exit question: If not even Ron Paul’s safe from tea party challenges, who is? Palin, and probably Marco Rubio, and … who else?


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I live in Houston and take it from me…Ron Paul’s an IDIOT…

Ltlgeneral64 on February 8, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Worse: he’s a kook!

I’m sure a lot of people in Rockport, Aransas County, Victoria and Port Lavaca don’t like what this man has been saying. (Rockport is served in radio and TV by Corpus Christi, in another district. They’ve been in touch with people from NAS Corpus, NAS Kingsville and the former NS Ingleside to realize Paul is a nut.

Hope clearer heads prevail there.

newton on February 9, 2010 at 12:28 AM

If he would just stick to domestic budgetary matters he might be ok. But he opens his mouth on any other subject and shows that he is as loony as Perot was. Sorry, Paul would probably do better by running for office at the state or local level.

Sporty1946 on February 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Worse: he’s a kook!

Oh, lay your hand on the dashboard and say, “Hallelujah!”

He sho ’nuff is.

tree hugging sister on February 9, 2010 at 12:38 AM

How long has Paul been in congress? Perhaps that’s why he is the newest target. Is that really so difficult to figure out?

jdkchem on February 9, 2010 at 12:42 AM

Ron Paul is a conman, a huckster, a low life liar.

He’s supposed to be all about financial matters, yet he’s one of the biggest porkbarrellers in the House – hundreds of millions every year, and he’s been there for 20+ years. And don’t give me that usual; ronbot dodge that he’s only “bring some of that tax money from his district back” crap – pork is pork even when it’s Ron Paul’s pork.

Moreover, all his talk talk talk about “Constitution” and “liberty”: what exactly has he done in those 20 odd years besides grunt at the public trough? Nothing, he hasn’t passed a single bill, quite possibly a record for the most failed representative ever.

And all that needs to be mentioned about his foreign policy – he’s on record as saying all America needs for defense… is a few submarines.

How can anyone wonder why the teaparty wants to get rid of this lunatic liar? When he first ran he promised to support term limits, after 20+ years it’s time, and past time, for the voters of his district to fulfill that promise and send him packing.

Rebar on February 9, 2010 at 12:57 AM

Ron Paul is ridiculously weak on defense of this nation and refuses to face the nature of our enemy. Of course same people are displeased with half a loaf if they can get the whole loaf instead, small government big defense.
{^_^}

herself on February 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM

Run, don’t walk, from the nearest Ron Paul bumper sticker.

desertdweller on February 9, 2010 at 1:19 AM

How long has Paul been in congress? Perhaps that’s why he is the newest target. Is that really so difficult to figure out?

Since 1996

Spathi on February 9, 2010 at 1:30 AM

As a tea partier, for me its simple. There isn’t much difference between a tea partier and a 9-12er.

Ron Paul isn’t a 9-12er.

Conservative Voice on February 9, 2010 at 1:53 AM

I wonder if this will finally convince Charles Johnson of LGF to quit smearing Tea Party people as Ron Paul’s useful idiots?

Ron Paul calls himself a Constitutionalist, not a libertarian. I’d still not support him even if he were a libertarian. The Libertarian Party in your country appears to consist of a muddy mix of conservative isolationists and rothbardians with the nutty flavor of Alex Jones added in. I’m sticking with the libertarians in the randian mold. I’m neither an isolationist nor a conspiracy theorist, and will cheer on any government that sends its ~volunteer~ troops to fight tyranny anywhere and at any time. Human nature is set in stone and therefore the conditions of existence necessary for the proper survival of each of us by dint of our human nature is set in stone. Hence freedom is inalienable for ~everyone~ just like the need for oxygen. Those are facts no country’s borders can alter. Therefore the moral right to physically stop an evildoer from causing harm to innocent others does not become an immoral act when done across a border.

Tony.

FierceGuppy on February 9, 2010 at 2:48 AM

Surprise! The “tea party” is currently about resurrecting the glorious Cheney/Bush years.

Either they want Bush or they just hate the President’s skin color. That’s what it’s become There have been no spending cut proposals or anything on the deficit, including that Sarah Palin speech. Without specifics, they are all phony fiscal conservatives. Objective #1 is war all over the world. That was what the vast majority of Palin’s speech was about.

As far as this upcoming race, Dr. Paul has a $2 million war chest while his opponents have about $20,000 combined. These guys are throwing their money away.

The Dean on February 9, 2010 at 3:00 AM

Either they want Bush or they just hate the President’s skin color. That’s what it’s become There have been no spending cut proposals or anything on the deficit, including that Sarah Palin speech.

Your kidding right? I guess you have not been to an actual tea party eh?

gdonovan on February 9, 2010 at 4:54 AM

blatantblue on February 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM

It is really annoying when allahpundit constantly makes the misinformed statement that Dr. Paul is an isolationist when he is clearly a non-interventionist. BIG difference.

RightXBrigade on February 8, 2010 at 10:06 PMRon Paul is an isolationist. As a Libertarian, I can tell you, the Left side of our movement, get real defensive about that label, but it sticks. If they weren’t isolationists than they’d care about for instance Movimiento Libertario and Otto Guevara who just ran for President in Costa Rica, or Libertarian Geert Wilders running for President in The Netherlands. But visit any Ron Paul forum, or LewRockwell.com, and you will see ZERO news about libertarian movements in other countries. It’s all about Liberty for one-self, others be damned.

Fortunately, there are a great many of us Libertarians trying to bring our movement back to a Pro-Defense view.

As for Ron Paul, I live in the District. I’m torn. He’s 100% fantastic on domestic issues, and 100% horrendous on foreign policy. You might say he’s a “50%-er” libertarian. Perhaps not good enough?

Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican

ericdondero on February 9, 2010 at 5:38 AM

Ron Paul, aside from a complete loon on national defense has sympathized with, if not out and out supported 9-11 truthers. Sorry, but whatever his other virtues are, the man is radioactive.

MJBrutus on February 9, 2010 at 5:57 AM

No putatively conservative politician today — with the exception [in some areas] of Ron Paul — has the idealism of a Goldwater

Unfortunately, toward the end of his career, Goldwater fell victim to senility. Paul, as others have noted, is just plain nuts.

Mr. Grump on February 9, 2010 at 6:09 AM

FierceGuppy on February 9, 2010 at 2:48 AM

Who cares what LGF thinks.

True_King on February 9, 2010 at 6:31 AM

RightXBrigade on February 8, 2010 at 10:06 PMRon Paul is an isolationist. As a Libertarian, I can tell you, the Left side of our movement, get real defensive about that label, but it sticks. If they weren’t isolationists than they’d care about for instance Movimiento Libertario and Otto Guevara who just ran for President in Costa Rica, or Libertarian Geert Wilders running for President in The Netherlands. But visit any Ron Paul forum, or LewRockwell.com, and you will see ZERO news about libertarian movements in other countries. It’s all about Liberty for one-self, others be damned.

Costa Rica? 97% of Americans who don’t care one bit about what happens there get the ridiculous “isolationist” label? Vast majority of Busher foreign policy advocates care about two countries, Israel first, and America second, but mostly because they help Israel the most. You can blast me all you want for pointing that out, but that doesn’t change the fact and it doesn’t change what they really think.

The Dean on February 9, 2010 at 6:47 AM

From Kleinheider:

Palin talked about standing up to Iran, defending Israel and making the world safe for Democracy. All noble goals, I suppose, but what was she doing justifying and perpetuating the foreign policy of George Bush at a tea party convention?
========================================================

AP has it exactly upside down. Kleinheider is a Pat Buchanan Jew hater that wants the Tea Party folks to be a one issue group: populist fiscal policy with hatred for big bbusiness. And Kleinheider tells us that the Tea Party has nothing to do with Ronald Reagan, that Ronald Reagan is in the past and should be forgotten. He misses the point on that too. Reagan was the anti- Establishment Republican…which is exactly what the Tea Partiers are.

No, AP, stop with the bogus alliterations to Jews by saying ” she was grafting neoconservative Republican ideas on terrorism onto a movement that ultimately has little to do with that” In case you have not noticed, from a foreign policy perspective we already have your boy Pat Buchanan in the Whitehouse…Scott Brown was very “neoconservative” in his his foreign policy and he won.

AP, you have been watching too much Morning Joe

georgealbert on February 9, 2010 at 6:47 AM

“is considered by many to be the “father of the Tea Parties.”

Seeing as how this is the first I have heard of him associated with them, I think that claim is false.

JeffinSac on February 9, 2010 at 6:51 AM

Perhaps its due to the fact that he is a loon.

vcferlita on February 9, 2010 at 7:09 AM

I should add to my above post that her camp’s policy of war on Iran would actually be harmful and perhaps even lethal to Israel’s security, despite what they want, if Iran or even the rest of the region retaliates. The only way to gain actual security is through peace.

The Dean on February 9, 2010 at 7:10 AM

The only sin Paul’s clearly guilty of in tea-party eyes is earmarking

And being a lunatic. Maybe the Tea Party is refreshingly anti-lunatic? That’d be nice.

Lehosh on February 9, 2010 at 7:29 AM

Note to Allah …

If you want to know what the “Tea Party” is all about – maybe go to a few meetings of your local tea party to see for yourself? Like most of us out here have?

Your mistake is in believing that there is some kind of “national” message or platform for the Tea Party movement – the only message the Tea Party movement has is “LIBERTY”. Beyond that – all politics are local. This tea party cell decides to challenge Ron Paul – any other might not.

It’s very easy to understand.

HondaV65 on February 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM

The Dean on February 9, 2010 at 6:47 AM

Yep, the JOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSS!

The only way to gain actual security is through peace.

The Dean on February 9, 2010 at 7:10 AM

The only way to gain actual peace is to defeat your enemies.

catmman on February 9, 2010 at 7:55 AM

that she was grafting neoconservative Republican ideas on terrorism onto a movement that ultimately has little to do with that.

Actually she was giving a speech stating her opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. The problem with all of you members of the “media” branch of the self annointed political elite is that you view everything through the limited and biased lens of your exagerrated and overwrought opinions of yourselves.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2010 at 7:56 AM

Note to Allah …

If you want to know what the “Tea Party” is all about – maybe go to a few meetings of your local tea party to see for yourself? Like most of us out here have?

Your mistake is in believing that there is some kind of “national” message or platform for the Tea Party movement – the only message the Tea Party movement has is “LIBERTY”. Beyond that – all politics are local. This tea party cell decides to challenge Ron Paul – any other might not.

It’s very easy to understand.

HondaV65 on February 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM

Are you suggesting people actually go to a Tea Party and learn something vs. reading articles by libtards to acquire their knowledge of what the Tea Party stands for? The latter is so much easier even if that knowledge is absurdly wrong.

As for RonPaul, he’s nuttier than squirrel poop.

David in ATL on February 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM

Sarah Palin came to Billings a few months ago, for a book signing meet and greet. Many people camped out in the freezing weather to meet her. Sarah created a buzz around this town the local Liberal Media just couldn’t understand either AP…

AP asks why.. AP wonders what the big deal is with this lady.. Not likely AP will ever understand the connection between Sarah and the rest of us. Therefore, the hotair bad press on Sarah will continue with this author.

Keemo on February 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM

Your kidding right? I guess you have not been to an actual tea party eh?

gdonovan on February 9, 2010 at 4:54 AM

It’s one of the resident Paultards around here….

funky chicken on February 9, 2010 at 8:28 AM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/75_are_angry_at_government_s_current_policies

Ummmm, think this might have something to do with the Tea Party Movement… Just say-in…

Keemo on February 9, 2010 at 8:31 AM

Our very first Pensacola Tea Party almost blew up because of a Ronulan. The organizer had an emergency in the family, so had to step away from the organizing for a few days. In the interim, the nice, young, unassuming kid he gave the con to starting sending out email dictats on everything from sign making to talking points. Where he made his mistake was including his website and a link to some Ronulan propaganda page (meetthetruth.org) for “more info”.

We exposed him to both the email list and our Swillers. My post on the subject was suddenly overrun with Ronulans in attack mode. Freaking WHACK jobs.

And you know what has me concerned? John Stossel’s Facebook posts (whihc I assume link to a Fox column/blog) are 3 out of 4 times “Ron Paul Says…” WHAT is up with that?

tree hugging sister on February 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM

If your guy doesn’t measure up, it’s time for change. Throw’m all out.
Skandia Recluse on February 8, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Hmmmm. I’d like to throw you off the island.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2010 at 7:56 AM

Actually she was giving a speech stating her opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.

It’s never nothing more, nothing less with Sarah. Even if that was her most sincere intention, her most ardent followers would make it something more. That being said, I have no problem with the Tea Party movement adopting “neoconservative Republican ideas”.

The problem with all of you members of the “media” branch of the self annointed political elite is that you view everything through the limited and biased lens of your exagerrated and overwrought opinions of yourselves.

What a buffoonish comment! Hot Air (and Allah specifically) represents the “self annointed political elite”? In the blogosphere, power comes from the people – specifically from readers, so it’s impossible to be “self annointed”.

Moreover, how can one have an “overwrought” opinion of oneself? But hey, “overwrought” is a good description for your comment.

Buy Danish on February 9, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Ron Paul, aside from a complete loon on national defense has sympathized with, if not out and out supported 9-11 truthers. Sorry, but whatever his other virtues are, the man is radioactive.

MJBrutus on February 9, 2010 at 5:57 AM

Yep. If the trutherism made Van Jones radioactive, Ron Paul’s trutherism should do the same to him.

As for Ron Paul, I live in the District. I’m torn. He’s 100% fantastic on domestic issues, and 100% horrendous on foreign policy. You might say he’s a “50%-er” libertarian. Perhaps not good enough?

Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican

ericdondero on February 9, 2010 at 5:38 AM

9/11 trutherism
Stormfront associations and other racist/antisemitic content in his newsletters over many years
“Health Freedom Act” which is just an open door for quacks and snake oil salesmen

That’s just off the top of my head…

funky chicken on February 9, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Geez AP that has to be the worst case of thread baiting I’ve seen you do yet…and that says alot. Ron Paul is a Dennis Kucinich. Yeah they may not agree on some things but the fact that they do agree on others, and their complete belief in them, is enough to scare anyone. But then you knew that when you posted your comment.

Deanna on February 9, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Exit question: If not even Ron Paul’s safe from tea party challenges, who is? Palin, and probably Marco Rubio, and … who else?

No one should be free from being challenged. They should always be kept in check, otherwise why keep the movement going?

Ron Paul however should be tarred, feathered and run out on a rail. Guys a friggin’ idiot.

rollthedice on February 9, 2010 at 8:37 AM

Our very first Pensacola Tea Party almost blew up because of a Ronulan. The organizer had an emergency in the family, so had to step away from the organizing for a few days. In the interim, the nice, young, unassuming kid he gave the con to starting sending out email dictats on everything from sign making to talking points. Where he made his mistake was including his website and a link to some Ronulan propaganda page (meetthetruth.org) for “more info”.

We exposed him to both the email list and our Swillers. My post on the subject was suddenly overrun with Ronulans in attack mode. Freaking WHACK jobs.

And you know what has me concerned? John Stossel’s Facebook posts (whihc I assume link to a Fox column/blog) are 3 out of 4 times “Ron Paul Says…” WHAT is up with that?

tree hugging sister on February 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM

The Ronulans have worked very hard to intertwine themselves into the Tea Party movement, and have achieved some leadership positions in it too, I’m sure.

I didn’t realize John Stossel had fallen into that camp though. How sad. Ron Paul is our Cynthia McKinney, and I have as much respect for people who run around quoting Paul as I do those who quote McKinney as a source of inspiration or expertise.

That disgust most definitely extends to Michele Bachman, who has toured around with Ron Paul of late. YUCK–why can’t people recognize that Ron Paul is a nutter and that many of his followers are also?

Why on earth did Sarah Palin publicly endorse Ron Paul’s son?

YUCK

funky chicken on February 9, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Ron Paul is our Cynthia McKinney

True dat!

He should be radioactive. PERIOD.

tree hugging sister on February 9, 2010 at 8:45 AM

As for John Stossel, check down at the bottom of his page. Wonderful links like:

Ron Paul Full Speech at Arizona State University 12.4.2009

How Keynesianism is Prolonging the Agony Ron Pauls Texas Straight Talk for Feb 08 2010

Rand Paul Rally Kentucky February 4, 2010

The Tea Party Meetings are infiltrated by Neo Conservative elements says Ron Paul

Now, he seems to have been distracted in the past couple days by Sarah Palin’s palm, etc., but you get the drift. He’ll have one or two posts on something, then a Ron Paul link’ll be schmack in the middle…which would be OKAY, if he gave anyone else that treatment, but he doesn’t.

tree hugging sister on February 9, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Saying Ron Paul is for small government is like saying a you are stopping your watch to save time.

right2bright on February 9, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Paulhroids – the hemorrhoids of American politics

In case we have all forgotten, Ron Paul likes pork…er, I mean US tax payer money for the study of Wild Shrimp.

Worse though is his association with Alex Jones and the truther movement. Ron Paul is crazy, pure and simple.

Bleed_thelizard on February 9, 2010 at 9:07 AM

Newsflash – Ron Paul is an antisemite, and the worst kind, the kind that can’t even admit it but deviously insidiously hides it behind a wall of bullshit. He’s a rat, and Allah you’re in fine form if you can write this and not address his antisemitism. Tea Partiers stand with Israel b/c they are able to distinguish between good and evil. Ron Paul has firmly chosen his side. Good Riddance.

Simona on February 9, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Not likely AP will ever understand the connection between Sarah and the rest of us. Therefore, the hotair bad press on Sarah will continue with this author.
Keemo on February 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM

allah would vote for joy behar before he would vote for Palin.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Buy Danish on February 9, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Your hero worship of a blogger is interesting. I bet you watch hollywood award shows on tv also.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM

If the tea party is about “liberty” – the Ron Paul should be one of the party’s closest friends.
I really get tired of commenters on this site bashing Dr. Paul, while I completely understand that he is not for most people on this site – he is a good man who works hard for the American people. He fights for us to have more liberty everyday, and his “no” votes on almost everything are because of his desire to shrink government.
You can disagree with his foreign policy without fumbling to use idiotic slurs like “paultards” and their like.

therambler on February 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM

“Newsflash – Ron Paul is an antisemite”
Simona –
You cannot be farther from the truth. Dr. Paul may not be into the hero worship of Israel that other politicans are but that is far from anti-Semitic.
This is a horrendous slur and you have no proof. If he was an anti-Semite do you not think that the news media would have used it to paint yet another Republican as RACIST?

therambler on February 9, 2010 at 9:26 AM

“Ron Paul is an antisemite, and the worst kind, the kind that can’t even admit it but deviously insidiously hides it behind a wall of bullshit. He’s a rat, and Allah you’re in fine form if you can write this and not address his antisemitism. Tea Partiers stand with Israel b/c they are able to distinguish between good and evil. Ron Paul has firmly chosen his side. Good Riddance.”

Simona on February 9, 2010 at 9:14 AM

That is so true. It would be libeling Nazis to compare them to Dr. Ron “Christ-hating hypocrite” Paul and his filthy anti-semitic followers. The Nazis, at least, were honest haters of humanity and the classical liberalism of our Founding Fathers.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM

“…do you not think that the news media would have used it to paint yet another Republican as RACIST?”

They don’t have to, Paul’s own associations damn him to the hell of filthy racism without any confabulation from the Lamestream media.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Allahpundit in 1959:

“Why is William F. Buckley attacking the Birchers? I thought that they were both conservative!”

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM

And with that, I apologize to the John Birch Society. They may have made goofy accusations about Ike, but they were strong on the need for national defense, unlike Paulfilth.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:36 AM

therambler on February 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Paultard…

catmman on February 9, 2010 at 9:39 AM

“Paultard…”

catmman on February 9, 2010 at 9:39 AM

With respect to the “developmentally disabled,” they have more intelligence and human decency in their bowel movements than Ron Paul has ever possessed in his life.

Please use the only appropriate term, “Paulfilth.”

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Ron Paul, 3 times more Pork than Sheila Jackson-Lee

its not just Pork and/or Foreign Policy thats the issue. Its the fact he’s nuts, lies and deceives and uses Alinsky type tactics by his supporters.

jp on February 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican

ericdondero on February 9, 2010 at 5:38 AM

For those who don’t know, Mr. Dondero was an aid to Ron Paul, and knows him very well.

Mr. Dondero, perhaps you can help me, I’ve been trying to get a full accounting of Paul’s earmarks through his entire 20 years in office, but I’ve only been able to find for the last three years, around half a billion. Would you have access to that information?

Rebar on February 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM

John Stossel’s Facebook posts (whihc I assume link to a Fox column/blog) are 3 out of 4 times “Ron Paul Says…” WHAT is up with that?

tree hugging sister on February 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Just an FYI, chance Stossel isn’t actualy running the page. Michelle Malkin’s page use to be like that and whoever was running it was not only a paultard but the worst kind occasionally linking wild conspiracy theories.

It has since changed, but someone said whoever was giving it the feed had control over several other fan pages all posting the same stuff.

jp on February 9, 2010 at 9:57 AM

“its not just Pork and/or Foreign Policy thats the issue. Its the fact he’s nuts, lies and deceives and uses Alinsky type tactics by his supporters.”

jp on February 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Yes, he’s an anti-libertarian agent provocateur, deliberate or not, with his racism, hypocrisy and general anti-American stupidity.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:58 AM

he’s basically either very ignorant or lying and deceiving his followers about US History, re Founders and Foreign Policy and the Constitution also. Which really irritates me.

attention paultards, pick up a few history books. Using your leftist Utopian logic, the Founding Fathers were warmongering, Constitution shredding Statist.

jp on February 9, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Note to Allah …

If you want to know what the “Tea Party” is all about – maybe go to a few meetings of your local tea party to see for yourself? Like most of us out here have?

Your mistake is in believing that there is some kind of “national” message or platform for the Tea Party movement – the only message the Tea Party movement has is “LIBERTY”. Beyond that – all politics are local. This tea party cell decides to challenge Ron Paul – any other might not.

It’s very easy to understand.

HondaV65 on February 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM

Are you suggesting people actually go to a Tea Party and learn something vs. reading articles by libtards to acquire their knowledge of what the Tea Party stands for? The latter is so much easier even if that knowledge is absurdly wrong.

As for RonPaul, he’s nuttier than squirrel poop.

David in ATL on February 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM

Not likely AP will ever understand the connection between Sarah and the rest of us. Therefore, the hotair bad press on Sarah will continue with this author.
Keemo on February 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM
allah would vote for joy behar before he would vote for Palin.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Allahpundit in 1959:

“Why is William F. Buckley attacking the Birchers? I thought that they were both conservative!”

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM

He lives in New York City. Nuff said.

brtex on February 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Ron Paul and his Paulnuts are screwballs who must be stopped. They’re ruining my county, and they’ll do the same to the nation.

madmonkphotog on February 9, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Ron Paul and his Paulnuts are screwballs who must be stopped. They’re ruining my county, and they’ll do the same to the nation.

madmonkphotog on February 9, 2010 at 10:06 AM

I thought it was Obama and the leftards that were doing that?

Are you wingnuts even capable of discerning a dangerous bunch of left-wing extremists who are in power right now from one lone man with a rather small following?

Dark-Star on February 9, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Go change your Depends®, Gore voting neoconservatives. Paul’s not a loon on national defense. Quite the opposite. It’s this insane, ubercostly (bipartisan) national offense/perpetual war that he opposes.

What’s loony is your glorious Bush Doctrine of never-ending war for ever-lasting peace.

And calling yourselves “small government, Constitutional conservatives” while advocating for massive spending (and the borrowing and printing that comes with it) by our biggest bureaucracy, and assaults on the our Constitutional rights in the name of “security” is a contradiction. It’s kind of sad, if not embarrassing for you, that you can’t grasp that fact.

Do you really believe that perpetual nation-building wars or isolationism are our only two options? SRSLY. You people are about as principled and inspired as the GOP beltway hacks.

Bush was right about one thing: He “redefined the Republican Party” alright. Alas…

There is no greater threat to our national security than this massive out-of-control government, its suicidal spending and our crushing national debt. Paul is one of the few people in Washington who actually gets that.

Newest target of tea partiers: Er, Ron Paul

The irony is breathtaking, considering it was the Paulites who started throwing Tea Parties back in ’07. Maybe you kids should throw a Moneybomb (more irony) for your favorite CINO running against him!

Try as these guys might, I doubt any of them stand a chance. TX-14 has got to be the smartest district in the nation, and they re-elect him by wide margins every time. But if he does lose his seat in this anti-incumbent environment, it’s fine by me. That’s the only way he would ever run for POTUS as a third party candidate, and by ’12 the U.S. will be so deep in the sh!t in so many ways his message will resonate much louder, his grassroots supporters will work tirelessly and pour millions upon millions into his coffers making him a third party contender the likes of which hasn’t been seen since Perot, and he would most likely win.

Like the old saying goes, “Be careful what you wish for…”

Rae on February 9, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Are you wingnuts even capable of discerning a dangerous bunch of left-wing extremists who are in power right now from one lone man with a rather small following?

Dark-Star on February 9, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Are we a threat or not? They can’t seem to keep their storty straight.

We’re running candidates in many more districts than the last cycle, I’ll say that much. Can’t wait to see the preliminary outcome of this expansion in operations. It won’t happen overnight, but we’re on the march at last to take ahold of the two-party mess.

The Dean on February 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM

That’s the only way he would ever run for POTUS as a third party candidate, and by ‘12 the U.S. will be so deep in the sh!t in so many ways his message will resonate much louder, his grassroots supporters will work tirelessly and pour millions upon millions into his coffers making him a third party contender the likes of which hasn’t been seen since Perot, and he would most likely win.

Like the old saying goes, “Be careful what you wish for…”

Rae on February 9, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Ron Paul already ran for president as a 3rd party candidate in 1988, he got a grand total of 0.5% of the popular vote. He also ran for the republican nomination last cycle, and despite being well funded, being in the debates, and having the most annoying cult of personality ever – he got only 5% of the republican primary votes and won zero states.

Paul only “resonates” with fools and crackpots.

Rebar on February 9, 2010 at 10:32 AM

“Are you wingnuts even capable of discerning a dangerous bunch of left-wing extremists who are in power right now from one lone man with a rather small following?”

Gee, I guess that the rotten leftists of the 1930’s were right, hating Stalinism=supporting Nazism.

One can despise both with absolutely no inconsistency.

The perverse and perverted irrationalism of Paulfilth would be unbelievable if it wasn’t directly illustrated here on the thread.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 10:34 AM

“attention paultards, pick up a few history books. Using your leftist Utopian logic, the Founding Fathers were warmongering, Constitution shredding Statist.”

Yes, they’d be drooling enemies of Jefferson and Madison in 1805 and 1815 on the subject of fighting Islamic states.

Their very existence is an attempt to discredit genuine libertarianism, namely individual liberty and universal human dignity and essence.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM

“Paul only “resonates” with fools and crackpots.”

…and racist, anti-semitic, America-haters.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM

The only reason N. Korea attacked S. Korea in 1950 was because of the US occupation!

/Ron Paul’s brain

I recently asked RP supporters on another board what they think would happen if the US pulled out of S. Korea, Japan and out of support of Taiwan…

PEACE would break out! Korea would be reunited after the “occupiers” were gone. Weeping all over Asia in joy that the Jewish cabal that put the troops there have been defeated!

I asked if the secret Jewish cabal was behind our kajillions in aid to Egypt… to which they answered that the money was just a Dhimmi-tax we are paying on Israel’s behalf (you know how effective Egypt was in her two wars with Israel… better pay the ransom!).

The answer to every question is… it’s the fault of the US because of the secret Jewish cabal that runs our foreign policy.

mankai on February 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM

He should have been drummed out of the movement after he touted the Al Queda argument that the underwear bomber was only a response to the US bombing in Yemen… despite the fact that it has been shown that he bought his tickets the day before the bombing.

When you trust AQ talking points (because “we should listen to our enemies”)… then you’ve gone over the cliff.

mankai on February 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Yes, they’d be drooling enemies of Jefferson and Madison in 1805 and 1815 on the subject of fighting Islamic states.

Their very existence is an attempt to discredit genuine libertarianism, namely individual liberty and universal human dignity and essence.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Given what they think of the Patriot Act, imagine their take on the Alien and Seditions acts or Jefferson starting the “Trail of Tears” which Jackson finished in Ga. and Tenn., pretty bloody thing.

Dangerous Nation by Robert Kagan is a must read. As is Walter Russel Meads, “Special Providence” on US Foreign Policy and history.

jp on February 9, 2010 at 10:53 AM

the Founders had a discussion, not the same as Paul’s, about a more Isolationist policy. Those that did were mocked by Free Trade advocates and those able to think in practical real world terms.

another thing to watch about Paul is his Moral Relativism, something that the Right needs nothing to do with. He does it in the realm of Foreign Policy ‘thinking’. See his talking points about “how would we FEEL if CHINA was building Military bases here…”

Which pressuposes alot of stupidity within itself, but at its root its assuming China and the USA are on the same moral playing field, both equal beacons of Human Rights.

jp on February 9, 2010 at 10:56 AM

“He should have been drummed out of the movement after he touted the Al Queda argument that the underwear bomber was only a response to the US bombing in Yemen… despite the fact that it has been shown that he bought his tickets the day before the bombing.”

Yet more proof of his lying Nazi-loving evil.

He hypocritically proclaims that he’s “pro-life,” yet he loves and supports the postpartum murder of Israeli children by the freedom-hating terrorist hellfilth.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Allahpundit lives in NY City?

So does ex-Florida resident, Joe “the CINO” Scarbag from Morning Joe. Same guy?

Maybe AP was the guy I saw on Cash Cab yesterday who was with some crazy old lady who could not help but make a negative remark toward GW Bush (accused him of being a conscientious objector).

I was tickled to see them lose it all and get kicked to the curb.

As far as Ron Paul and his Paulhroids, I say again, Space Aliens committed 911. It is a more plausible explanation than saying that our fellow Americans committed it.

Bleed_thelizard on February 9, 2010 at 11:03 AM

“Given what they think of the Patriot Act, imagine their take on the Alien and Seditions acts or Jefferson starting the “Trail of Tears” which Jackson finished in Ga. and Tenn., pretty bloody thing.”

One can only honestly condemn these breaches by the FF’s by genuinely believing in liberty and human dignity for all.

The Paulfilth can’t and don’t want to.

They’re either racist hellfilth, ignorant fools, or both.

No excuses justify their embrace of a man who’s ugly no matter the angle you look at him, inside or out.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM

“The answer to every question is… it’s the fault of the US because of the secret Jewish cabal that runs our foreign policy.”

Yep, that’s the essence of all Paulfilthery right there.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 11:11 AM

The pentaverite!

This clip alone eviscerates Paul and his lunatic followers.

daesleeper on February 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM

He hypocritically proclaims that he’s “pro-life,” yet he loves and supports the postpartum murder of Israeli children by the freedom-hating terrorist hellfilth.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Paul and his cults motto – “liberty for me, not for thee”.

Rebar on February 9, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Ron Paul spoke at at least 1 Tea Party event, last April, southeast of Houston. He seemed to be received well by most of the folks in attendance, from what I could tell.

I didn’t care for Paul’s focus during that meeting, he seemed more interested in talking about his efforts to audit the Fed, which I suppose might be a good idea, and most people were there because of their concerns about the huge bank bailouts, and the porkulous bill.

In any event, Ron Paul’s position on foreign policy is stupid, and I will vote for Tim Grainey in the March Primary.

http://www.graneyforcongress.com/

BobOfTexas on February 9, 2010 at 11:36 AM

“Paul and his cults motto – ‘liberty for me, not for thee’.”

Rebar on February 9, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Yep, the Rockwell racists and League of the South leeches can all go hang as far as I’m concerned.

Francis Parker Yockey, Jr. and his droids should drop dead and rot.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 11:40 AM

“In any event, Ron Paul’s position on foreign policy is stupid, and I will vote for Tim Grainey in the March Primary.”

Good for you. Paul and his followers are gutless moral cowards, parasites on the sacrifices that much better men (and by that I include honest traitors like Benedict Arnold) have made on behalf of their freedom.

ebrown2 on February 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM

we have a group of CLFers, Campaign for Liberty,worming their way into Republican groups here in Oakland County MI. Wonder where else they are trying to do this?
And I certainly don’t think of Ron Paul as father of the tea party!! CLFers certainly make their appearence know at the tea parties but they are not a major player.
And tea partiers certain do have National Security as a major theme. At least they do here in MI

Bullhead on February 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM

his foreign policy is obviously a major issue, but unless I missed a memo, there’s no concrete foreign policy (i.e. isolationist vs. interventionist) that’s been settled on by a majority of tea partiers.

Paul is seen as a Paulnut on foreign policy! So far out on the fringe, he’s disqualified himself. I’m sure Allah can find a tea-party guy we’ve never heard of to disagree, but that doesn’t ring true with this tea-partier.

Christian Conservative on February 9, 2010 at 11:53 AM

So do you think the war on terror is a fiction or something? Or are you merely saying that trying to change other countries is not effective and that we should just kill all the terrorists we can within a certain withdrawal timetable and leave it at that?

I’m saying that we did what we wanted in Afghanistan. We went in, ousted the Taliban who were giving asylum to Al-Qaeda. Why are we still there? Nation building DOES NOT work with these countries and these backwards people. I’ve been over there multiple times already. We are accomplishing nothing, the Rules of Engagement tie our hands to get whatever job we may have done. It is a mess. These people do not deserve our help. We need to worry about our own countrymen and getting ourselves out of all this debt. Worrying about the plight of the Afghan is not my concern and shouldn’t be our country’s concern. Let them murder each other all they want. Not our problem. And the minute some country wants to harbor terrorists who commit an attack on us? Let the country glow green for 100 years.

RightXBrigade on February 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM

He believes, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that that the terrorists would stop attacking us if we weren’t occupying their countries. This is in spite of the fact that we weren’t occupying anyone on 9/11.

There will always be islamic terrorists who want to kill anyone who is not Muslim, I agree. However, there is such thing as blowback and I am stunned by how many people think it is unpatriotic to find a motive in terrorist attacks. Does finding a motive mean sympathy for that attack? NO! When police look for motive in a murder case, does that mean that they are sympathetic to the murderer? I don’t think so. These nutbag terrorists will find any reason to attack us. We have military presence on the arabian peninsula, sure, it was sanctioned by the oppressive Saudi Government but have you noticed, most arabs HATE the Saudi family. Like I said, we don’t need to be in these shithole countries. It’s hot, the people are crazy and it’s hot! Again, F Em!

RightXBrigade on February 9, 2010 at 12:19 PM

…Does finding a motive mean sympathy for that attack? NO! When police look for motive in a murder case, does that mean that they are sympathetic to the murderer? I don’t think so…

RightXBrigade on February 9, 2010 at 12:19 PM

But it took RP only several minutes to read the AQ talking points and tell us, unequivocally, that the underwear bomber tried what he did because of the US bombing in Yemen.

He wasn’t looking for motive, he believed AQ’s press release… and was proven wrong… the guy bought his ticket a day before the Yemen bombing.

And now OBL/AQ is claiming that the US should be attacked because of AGW… should be ratify Kyoto and pass Cap and Tax so they don’t bomb us on that pretext?

mankai on February 9, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Ron Paul has damaged the Republican brand…Every time he opens his mouth he spews useless sound bytes that unfortunately reflect on Republicans and Tea Partiers alike…He purposely damaged all Republicans in the last election cycle. With no chance of winning more than a few percentage points in the primaries, he stuck around as a self-parody until the end…He should have a bounty on his head. This guy needs to be retired…

Nozzle on February 9, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Your hero worship of a blogger is interesting. I bet you watch hollywood award shows on tv also.
peacenprosperity on February 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Your comments are not interesting, but they are stunningly stupid. Because I take issue with your overwrought statement about Allah being a member of the ‘self-annointed media elite’ I am a “hero worshipper”? Oh well, Allah will not doubt be flattered to be put in the category of “heroes”. Meanwhile, I’ll be on the alert for any “hero worship” of Sarah Palin on your part.

Buy Danish on February 9, 2010 at 12:46 PM

we have a group of CLFers, Campaign for Liberty,worming their way into Republican groups here in Oakland County MI. Wonder where else they are trying to do this?

Bullhead on February 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty is very active in San Francisco, CA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkwdT6Erm8

The Ron Paul people were also relatively successful in taking over the Republican Central Committee in Alameda County, CA.
And a Google search will show the trouble they have caused for the Republican party in Florida.

The Campaign for Liberty is also running several candidates for office in 2010.

See the right side of the page on http://www.dailypaul.com/ for a list of the candidates Ron Paul is supporting so far.

Wake up Republicans!

wren on February 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM

I attended a couple of tea party events and the people were really Reaganite in general. As a Reaganite I can’t get down with Paul’s brand of Alex Jonesy “libertarianism” that claims ignoring our enemies and watching the world burn would somehow be in our interest. I’m all for using a more sensible foreign policy, but anyone who claims militant Islam is anti-American because we’re supporters of Israeli has no grasp of Islamic history or the internal drives of our enemies.

I was pleasantly surprised to see my Tea Party was filled not with Paulastinians but people who understood the threat Jihadism as well as Marxism.

Rob Taylor on February 9, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Exit question: If not even Ron Paul’s safe from tea party challenges, who is? Palin, and probably Marco Rubio, and … who else?

Answer: No one. Even Palin and Rubio are not, in fact, “safe.” Should either of them ever reveal themselves to have statist impulses, I assure you that even we loyal Tea Partiers would turn on them. I adore Palin, but I’m wary of all politicians, even her, because I know that it is natural for them to gradually allow for more and more state control in the interests of promoting conservative policies.

Interestingly, I do believe Ron Paul to be a genuine Libertarian, but I happen to think his brand leans too far toward Anarchy. I may not be keen on big government, but I know that I’d rather have a well-organized, well-funded army defending my family than be stuck doing it myself (which is not to say I wouldn’t defend my family, only that I’m more effective with my country standing with me).

I think most Tea Partiers are a lot more “moderate” – in the genuine and not leftist sense of the word – than they are portrayed. They understand, for instance, that ideological uniformity is neither possible nor desirable in a republic like America, which is why they understand the benefit of supporting a candidate like Scott Brown, who may not necessarily agree with them on all points. If we don’t support Ron Paul, it’s not because we’re ideologically inconsistent, but because we understand his brand of conservatism to be ineffective in the current political climate.

Animator Girl on February 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM

the teaparty protests i attended steered very clear of the Ron Paul interlopers who tried to claim the movement in its 1st outings as theirs….often, those w/ Paul signs were asked to leave.

No more Republicrats.

Teaparty = WE THE PEOPLE = the Constitution of the United States.

lobosan5 on February 9, 2010 at 5:30 PM

here ya go…couldn’t have said it better:

“Be wooed by the Left and by the Right, Patriots knowing full well we have a new direction in mind for America that is neither Left or Right.
Our Direction Is Forward, with the Constitution as our map, and His Word as our Light and Compass.” [email protected]

lobosan5 on February 9, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Now hold on a minute.

Didn’t Chuckles Johnson of Little Green something-or-other spend most of last summer insisting that Luap Nor was *behind* the Tea Parties?

Couldn’t mean Chuckles was mistaken, now could it?

Mew

acat on February 9, 2010 at 7:42 PM