House GOP to Obama: We’ll meet with you about ObamaCare — if you agree to start over
posted at 7:06 pm on February 8, 2010 by Allahpundit
No more reconciliation, no more backroom deals, no more dictating terms. A clean start to the process, or else they’re “reluctant” to waste their time on his little photo op. That ain’t gonna happen, needless to say: The main reason the Dems are desperate to pass O-Care at this point is simply to get their base to turn out in November, and a bill that’s watered down with real concessions to the GOP simply won’t accomplish that. If anything, it could suppress turnout as the left stays home in disgust at having had to compromise with Rethuglikkkans despite a year with a 60-vote majority. The GOP doesn’t have any incentive to compromise either, really, since tea partiers will revolt at any bill that expands federal oversight of health care. So all this is about is political posturing and framing the narrative in a way that’ll deliver the most votes in November.
In which case, this letter from Boehner and Cantor to Rahm Emanuel is a nice bit of framing.
Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward on health care in a bipartisan way, does that mean he will agree to start over so that we can develop a bill that is truly worthy of the support and confidence of the American people? Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said today that the President is “absolutely not” resetting the legislative process for health care. If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate.
Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward in a bipartisan way, does that mean he has taken off the table the idea of relying solely on Democratic votes and jamming through health care reform by way of reconciliation? As the President has noted recently, Democrats continue to hold large majorities in the House and Senate, which means they can attempt to pass a health care bill at any time through the reconciliation process. Eliminating the possibility of reconciliation would represent an important show of good faith to Republicans and the American people…
Will the President be inviting officials and lawmakers from the states to participate in this discussion? As you may know, legislation has been introduced in at least 36 state legislatures, similar to the proposal just passed by the Democratic-controlled Virginia State Senate, providing that no individual may be compelled to purchase health insurance. Additionally, governors of both parties have raised concerns about the additional costs that will be passed along to states under both the House and Senate bills…
Finally, as you know, this is the first televised White House health care meeting involving the President since last March. Many health care meetings of the closed-door variety have been held at the White House since then, including one last month where a sweetheart deal was worked out with union leaders. Will the special interest groups that the Obama Administration has cut deals with be included in this televised discussion?
More at the link. I think this is a bluff, incidentally — the GOP’s not actually going to boycott The One’s invite for a televised meeting lest it seem petulant — but using the invite as a platform to raise these issues before accepting is a shrewd move. Via the Right Scoop, here’s Limbaugh from today’s show reminding them that there’s nothing wrong, and plenty right, with saying no no no.










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This Cantor kid’s going to be one to watch. I didn’t really know much about him ’til 5-6 months ago,but I like what I’ve seen since.
The kid’s got Moxie, Moxie I tells ya.
Uncle Pinky on February 8, 2010 at 8:20 PM
GOP to Obumble: “Will you kiss me?”
justltl on February 8, 2010 at 8:21 PM
shrewd concerning that B+ hasn’t got much in the way of political horsepower left in order to shove folks around anymore now do he?
ted c on February 8, 2010 at 8:22 PM
HELL NO!!!
Seven Percent Solution on February 8, 2010 at 8:25 PM
If the MSM would do their jobs and put the letter out…and not just some watered down version…I think it would give the GOP some kind of traction to go through with it…but we’re gonna get ‘The Party of No says NO!’ and that’ll be the end of it..
Of course we’ll also get ‘Obama’s masterful plan of mercy (that we will start paying for now and wouldn’t ‘help’ anyone for 3 years) was dealt another blow by the hateful Republicans’…
I guess they could accept the televised pow wow and then read the damn thing as soon as Captain IWON finished his 409th ‘I won’t quit on the American people’ speech.
BigWyo on February 8, 2010 at 8:25 PM
Obama has responded: No.
Enoxo on February 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Well, the White House is not going to respond to the above before they accept, so I would not go and just stick to the conditions.
He may lie thru his teeth as well. He is not starting over.
Starlink on February 8, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Repuglicans
Rethuglicans
Republikkkans
Ahh yes. Feel the love.
Rightwingguy on February 8, 2010 at 8:34 PM
I think the reason they want to engage Republicans in this debate is because they know it’s poison for Democrats to even be talking about health care at this point. If they can get Republicans talking about health care, too, then they’ll all be painted with the same brush. The American people, by and large, are happy with their health care and HC insurance. They are tired of Washington dithering about this issue while the economy burns down around them. Getting the Republicans invested in this issue now helps the Dems in November because they couldn’t be painted as the only idiots still obsessed with it throughout 2010.
Again, if I were the Republicans, I would give them a neat, tidy, 100 page bill on HC reform and tell them to do whatever they want to it and get back us. We’re too busy trying to get American businesses back to hiring people and making money to bother with this right now. Somehow I think that would resonate better with the American voting public than getting both parties bogged down in the health care swamp for another 12 months.
jdp629 on February 8, 2010 at 8:35 PM
EXACTLY what I was thinking.
Kevin71 on February 8, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Exactly. O’Bama and his party are on a lifeboat with holes, and instead of bailing water to survive, he still wants to stand and lecture.
One thing you can sure say about this radical…….totally tone deaf to anyone else.
Starlink on February 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Here’s what the Republicans should say:
“Okay. Now you hold the sack open… Yes, the middle of the woods is right; it’s where they naturally run for safety. No, you don’t want the flashlight; that’ll scare’em into scattering. Now hold the bag lower, against the ground… Perfect. Now, give us about twenty-thirty minutes to get set up and we’ll be driving them snipe right to you.”
Doorgunner on February 8, 2010 at 8:47 PM
When you have the upper hand in battle or sport, you do not “spot” your opponent points if you want to win. You go for the kill.
The republicans now have the upper hand, thanks to that totally incompetent, bumbling, inarticulate, clueless, know- nothing bimbo that handed the President his ass on a platter Saturday night.
I forget who said it on a different thread, but Sarah’s direct attack at Obama on policy SHOULD (it may not, but it should)free the republicans to launch a full assault on him on policies and principle. They need to quit namby-pambying around because they are afraid of being labeled as racists. Sorry, they need to “man up” and call (OMG, but this is truly the best analogy I can make, and I will probably burn in Hell for all eternity)a spade a spade and say, no, he’s just flat out wrong!
Chewy the Lab on February 8, 2010 at 8:49 PM
I WISH I could draw. I see this political cartoon clear as a bell in my head, and it’s a beautiful thing!
Chewy the Lab on February 8, 2010 at 8:52 PM
That was quick. I wonder if the death of Murtha has anything to do with it?
And I’m sticking to my theory that the Blue Cross raises rates is some kind of a smoke screen in order to get Barry’s bill passed.
Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Before they go into the meeting, the Republicans should huddle with Rush on the sideline and have him lead them in a “We are the Party of No” cheer. :)
irishspy on February 8, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Their letter has been answered in the negative. There’s nothing more to discuss. Stay away to work on something useful – like meaningful actions to revive prospects for gainful and productive employment.
Mr. Runs-At-The-Mouth will say whatever, but who cares?
ya2daup on February 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Don’t meet with Obama-mao. It is merely a photo op which will be spun positively for him…Advance your own agenda without Obama. Talk about the economy and the deficit…Healthcare is playing Obama’s game…Stop playing by his rules…Sieze the initiative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nozzle on February 8, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Which insurer plans to raise premiums?
Do the benefits remain unchanged or does the new premium rates reflect coverage additions which would be mandated under the proposed reform package?
News2Use on February 8, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Obama: “See, I offered you the opportunity to work FOR the American people. Instead, you, the republican party chose your own selfish political ambitions over what would be the right thing for the country: to work together to find tough answers to tough questions and make tough decisions and adopt tough solutions. When the ice cream is on the left of the plate, it makes the right look like a popsicle (add reverb, please).
Today, is an in-famous (pronounced IN-Famous, because, we are, afterall reading TOTUS)day, and a sad one. The middle east has always been a difficult country for that region, and the republican party is to governance, as Discovery Channel is to Cable News. But, let me be clear, I won’t let these obstructionist republicans set the agenda for Umerca. I will set it. Therefore, I propose to hold a healthcare summit with myself. This will be televised on all the major networks and cable news and will run from 9:00am Eastern time to 5:00pm ET for four consecutive days. This will be manditory viewing for anyone who wishes to claim a deduction on their tax return, and employers will be required to carry it and allow their “workers” to view it….blah, blah, blah, blah…
Chewy the Lab on February 8, 2010 at 9:13 PM
Republicans should DEFINATELY refuse to meet with Bambi if he doesn’t accept the fact that starting over is the ONLY way to develop a workable health care plan.Tha Democrap’s plan as usual has been to write a counter productive bill that is so complicated that no one can understand it,then imply compromise (that will be easy to circumvent)so as to get their insane bill passed.
Republicans should tell the Bambino to $hit in his hat.
DDT on February 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM
the Republicans are not obliged to yoke w/Obamao & the rest of the Dumbs as they continue to hoist this millstone around their neck & jump in the Potomac. They ought to have the stones to do what Rush suggests – be the party of “hell no!” and the party of “where are the jobs – the REAL ones, not the imaginary ‘saved or created’ ones!”
kscheuller on February 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM
The Republicans are, I think now forced to say “No” too, lest they lose face on this matter.
With this form of brinksmanship, Obama had far more to lose than the Republicans. I’m surprised at Gibbs’ message.
unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM
<blockquoteI think this is a bluff
You gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. I didn’t hear Rush completely rule it out. Obama is sweating out whether to call or go all in.
mike_NC9 on February 8, 2010 at 9:24 PM
The Republicans had damned well better go in with a set of balls this time. “Bipartisan” means a 2-way street, not Barry’s one-way Obama Boulevard. And if The One is not willing to start over, SCREWED HIM – WALK OUT!
GarandFan on February 8, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Tell Obama that he needs a RESET button… then hand him one.
Make sure this one does NOT translate into ‘overcharge’ as he is already doing that.
ajacksonian on February 8, 2010 at 9:26 PM
We need a big red button in the halls of Congress. One that says do not touch. And then we touch it.
Coronagold on February 8, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Call Cantor, Boehner and your own rep and tell them NO. Promise a contribution if they do not participate, then follow through if they honor our voice.
PrincipledPilgrim on February 8, 2010 at 9:50 PM
(sigh) That what’s the Senate’s supposed to be there for.
Scopper on February 8, 2010 at 10:02 PM
I think that is a great idea. Let only Boehner, Cantor, Ryan and McConnell show up and say “take it or leave it!” There is no need for all GOP congressmen to go for his photo op.
JAM on February 8, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Heh. +1000
+2000 if it’s attached to weaponry targeting Iran’s nuclear capability.
unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM
HEH!!
Wow, haven’t even thought of the good old snipe hunt in many years….
BigWyo on February 8, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Ask Obama: if you think the bright lights of television are so wonderful for showing the truth of a process now, why did you break the promise you made over and over, and negotiate in the dark up until now, and why do you act like the deal that resulted is the moral high ground on which those negotiations must begin?
Go ahead, ask him MSM, I dare you. No, you don’t want to expose this con that you are a key part of.
drunyan8315 on February 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Why would the GOP even think of going when the WON is just going to say NO! Just say NO GOP!
fbcmusicman on February 8, 2010 at 10:57 PM
If they meet it should be in congress, where laws are written, not in the White House. If they meet it must not be a meeting chaired by Obama.
GaltBlvnAtty on February 8, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Tell Obambi to pound sand! This is an obvious ploy to show his “bipartisanship” and jam through the democrap bill. Cooperating with him will be complicity in passing the dem bill. This is an obvious trap and the RINOs are going to jump right in!
jwp1964 on February 9, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Checkmate!
SilentWatcher on February 9, 2010 at 12:59 AM
True however the “House” bill only passed wit one or two votes over the 218 they needed.
DSchoen on February 9, 2010 at 5:18 AM
Ok, so Lord Bozo has said “no!” and “All I want is for you to vote for what WE want.”
The GOP needs to come out strong and say, “The President just wants our help passing the existing bill and we say, HELL NO!”
Grow a pair, GOP.
dogsoldier on February 9, 2010 at 8:37 AM
What the GOP should say to Obama:
The Party of Yes (What the PEOPLE want):
1. Tort Reform–caps on malpractice awards.
2. Free and Fair Markets–anyone can buy health insurance in any state.
3. Minimum standards for low-cost, high-deductible “catastrophic” health insurance, available in all states.
4. No refusal for pre-existing conditions.
5. Enable formation of private, for-profit health-care co-ops, to buy group plans from large insurers and sell insurance to individuals and small businesses at lower rates.
The Party of No (what the PEOPLE don’t want!)
1. NO public option!
2. NO mandates or fines on people who don’t have insurance.
3. NO taxes on private health insurance.
4. NO cuts in Medicare.
Take it or leave it.
Steve Z on February 9, 2010 at 10:28 AM
So far, pretty smart by the Repubs.
But, of course, they will fold, and get sucked into the web of lies and end up getting eaten for dinner.
notagool on February 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM
What year was this? The Democrats did not spend the last year with a 60-vote majority. Have you already managed to block out the Franken-Coleman recount? The Specter switch? The death of Ted Kennedy?
The Dems had a supermajority for four months, much of which was spent in recess. I’m not saying this entirely invalidates your point, but let’s not twist the facts here.
orange on February 9, 2010 at 12:02 PM
President Obama, to host a televised bipartisan health care meeting February 25th.
Rep Thaddeus McCotter On Cavuto 9 February 2010. Sitting in for Neil Cavuto, Charles Payne, asks Rep McCotter.
“Is the GOP up for this, are you going to take the bait.”
Thaddeus McCotter responds “I certainly don’t think we should take the bait.
GOP not goin there.
Dr Evil on February 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM
GOP will meet with Obama when Obama starts over.
It sounds good, so long as the Mulligan isn’t the same old same old Socialist growth of bureaucracy especially given our nation’s financial meltdown from DEBT/SPENDING/CORRUPTION.
CUT THE FRAUD
LEGISLATE TORT REFORM
CUT COSTS OF SIMPLE CATASTROPHIC POLICIES
RESCIND FREE CARE TO NON-US CITIZENS
RESCIND REGULATION AGAINST INTERSTATE POLICIES
KEEP THE IRS OUT OF PERSONAL HEALTH
PROHIBIT FURTHER “ENTITLEMENT” PROGRAMS
maverick muse on February 9, 2010 at 12:46 PM
The GOP has had long enough to assimilate the conservative health care reform agenda. Sent those requirements to Obama as the grounds upon which to meet.
The ONLY mandate from American voters in 2008 was for this new administration to CUT TAXES, to spend less.
maverick muse on February 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM
That one by itself would take a hell of a lot of pressure off states near Mexico.
Although you’ll have a hard time getting it passed with all the bleeding-heart idiots…
Dark-Star on February 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Perhaps not. I think that several of them are slowly realizing that the tea party participants aren’t just angry with the Democrats. The Republicans want to keep their phony-baloney jobs as well and they can also hear the drumbeats, see the raised pitchforks and smell the burning torches. More than any other motivation, they exist to get reelected. If they see conservatism as ascendent, they will jump on board for self-preservation. That’s OK with me for the short term as long as it gets them to vote against Ob+ama. We can always replace their duplicitous a$$es with real conservatives down the road.
SKYFOX on February 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Hmmm this is a good tack. But the message will probably be turned by the Whitehouse.
Start over. Yes. Best response under the circumstances.
petunia on February 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM
You have the empty suit on the run. Don’t give an inch Republicans!
FireBlogger on February 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM
Precisely. A point Rush repeated for the slow learners. “He has no plan.”
Which point the Boehner/Cantor letter 1) should have made explicit and 2)could have reinforced with an offer to present the GOP plan. Result: instant offense/defense role reversal.
Barnestormer on February 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM
It’s started. Oh, it’s started.
Bush “Miss Me Yet?” Billboard Appears Near Highway
Mary in LA on February 9, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Republicans didn’t “do nothing”.
They stopped Obama.
That is something indeed.
And something that should be rewarded with a return to power to see if they learned the lessons of 2006 and 2008.
petunia on February 9, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Why hasn’t any GOP leader proposed a “safe harbor” plan where any insurance company can issue the same policy in all 50 states, free of any state regulation, provided it meets certain criteria.
What criteria? Certain basic coverages could be mandated, but most of it can and should be a la carte so the consumers can decided what they want for themselves. Also, the cost of these plans should be fully deductible by the consumers as well as being completely portable. It is easy enough for Congress to preempt any state regulation with respect to such plans (the “safe harbor”), and there would be a lot of fighting over what coverages must be included and when coverage could be denied, but it would be a workable, free-market solution that could get support from both sides (GOP: we’ve got a free-market solution that empowers the individual to choose the type of health care he wants. Dems: We’ve fought for mandatory coverages and protections for you, etc.).
The biggest issue I see with respect to this type of plan would be over denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions. I don’t see an easy solution to that one, but perhaps a waiting period (1-2 years) with respect to pre-existing conditions could work actuarially. It would prevent someone who fell ill on Tuesday from gaming the system by purchasing insurance 3 days later. Thoughts?
secarr on February 9, 2010 at 3:11 PM
TN Mom on February 8, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Hey Mom…you referenced that they should seek information re: the special deals made to obtain the votes. Check out Michael Burgess’ (TX 26) press release regarding this very issue.
These lame-tards are obstructionists and we know it, and everyone we know will know it too…
http://burgess.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=167895
STAY HARD, PUBS!
Yellowdog12 on February 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I liked the letter. The President’s response should be interesting. Next up: The Palin post script.
(Come on, you know it’s coming!) ;-)
itzWicks on February 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Burgess is my representative, I don’t have any problem with the stance he has taken toward health insurance reform, the man is a medical doctor, he might just have some valuable input re health insurance reform.
Dr Evil on February 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM
They have already sent the GOP plan/ideas to the President. It was my understanding that prior to the “You Lie!” speech, the GOP had sent several ideas to the White House. I know they have a website which contains their ideas. So why go to this when President PassTheBuck can click and print them?
If the GOP goes to this meeting, the third party lovers are going to have a field day. Just say no GOP, just say no!
freeus on February 9, 2010 at 4:57 PM
Barrack;
“You Republicans are all going to Hell if you don’t pass my HealthCare Bill”.
Cybergeezer on February 9, 2010 at 5:15 PM
Dr Evil on February 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM
Hey Doc…then we’re neighbors. I also think highly of Burgess. Did you attend the rally at his office in Lewisville a few months ago? We caused quite a traffic jam on 35. Heh.
Yellowdog12 on February 9, 2010 at 8:50 PM
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