Did Iran overreach?
posted at 12:15 pm on February 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
When Iran announced yesterday that it would accelerate enrichment of uranium as it made an agreement with the West and the UN all but impossible, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad may have expected its opponents to rush to make yet another counteroffer. Certainly, given the weakness demonstrated over the past couple of years, he had every reason to expect another round of the Nuclear Hokey Pokey. Today, though, one of its closest trading partners has called for “serious measures” after Ahmadinejad’s announcement — and it’s one that has been mainly protective of Iran:
Officials from the United States, France and Russia called Monday for stronger measures against Tehran after Iran told the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency that it would begin enriching its stockpile of uranium to power a medical reactor in Tehran. In Paris, the visiting United States defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, told a news conference that “the only path that is left to us at this point” was to exert greater pressure on the Iranian authorities, Reuters reported.
Separately, Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner of France said “the only thing we can do, alas, is apply sanctions given that negotiations are impossible.” In Moscow, Konstantin I. Kosachyov, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of the Russian parliament, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as urging the international community to prepare “serious measures.”
How serious is Russia? They have already suspended missile shipments to Tehran, until now somewhat quietly:
Iran had been attempting to buy S-300 surface-to-air missiles from Russia, apparently to protect its nuclear facilities from airstrikes. Despite strong Western pressure not to supply the missiles, Russia has not given a clear indication of its intentions.
The official IRNA news agency quoted the Air Force commander, Heshmatollah Kassiri, as saying that, since Russia had for “unacceptable reasons” not delivered the missiles, “in the near future, a new locally made air defense system will be unveiled by the country’s experts and scientists which is as powerful as the S-300 missile defense system, or even stronger.”
Iran needs the SAMs to keep the Israelis from bombing their nuclear-development sites. Their own native systems are not adequate for the job, and the continued risk-taking on Ahmadinejad’s part means that he needs the defensive systems more than ever now. Russia had held its cards close to the vest until now on the S-300s, but the cat seems out of the bag now. If Moscow is as upset over this announcement as their statement appears, those missiles will not make it to Iran, and the sites will be left more exposed to air raids as a result.
Iran has one more trump card: China. China has joined Russia in blocking the more “serious measures” that Russia seems ready to support now. Without China on board, the UN won’t be able to authorize any new sanctions against Tehran, let alone actually enforce them — at which, as we saw with the Oil for Food fiasco, the UN doesn’t do particularly well anyway.
Other than cutting off all trade with Iran, sanctions will probably not do much good at this point, as the mullahs now need the weapon to justify all of the pain they have inflicted on the country in their pursuit of nukes. A complete embargo might be enough to spur a movement to depose the mullahs for wrecking Iranian standing in the world; the Iranian people seem on the verge of conducting a counterrevolution anyway, and it won’t take much to catalyze the nascent anger in the general population. In the end, only regime change will give a chance of eliminating the nuclear threat posed by the Iranian mullahcracy — and Western policies should have that in mind as the ultimate goal.









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Apparently Hillary’s reset button is finally working /s
MeatHeadinCA on February 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM
And one more time………….
Where’s Hillary?
Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM
conservatives vastly exaggerate the threat that Iran poses. Also, as far as I’m aware of, they have no missile capability to reach the US…so why do we care again?
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Truly, we are down to the embargo or bomb stage. Either will cause oil prices to soar, but one will not cost us as much in blood and treasure. Do a reverse Iran and smuggle in a bunch of weapons to their people. That might help as well.
GnuBreed on February 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM
China doesn’t care, so where is the optimism?
Russia probably sold Iran all the technology it needs for it’s own missle defense systems instead of directly selling them missles to keep their hands clean on the surface.
Russia cannot be trusted, their motivations haven’t seen the light of day for 75 years. China just doesn’t want to mess up a good economic thing the got going with Iran.
Iran will keep on doing what it wants. The West will keep on talking tough and doing nothing. And China and Russia will block all attempts at cracking down on Iran.
Square One says, “Welcome back.”
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:26 PM
“Iran is a tiny country…”
And atoms are even tinier.
What’s to fear?
profitsbeard on February 8, 2010 at 12:26 PM
conservatives vastly exaggerate the threat that Iran poses. Also, as far as I’m aware of, they have no missile capability to reach the US…so why do we care again?
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM
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Because we’ve always cared about protecting freedom and liberty from the evils of tyranny everywhere in the world? That’s just a guess of course.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Who says they have to be employed strategically against the American heartland? CENTCOM won’t be in too good a shape if Iraq, Qatar and Kuwait decide not to host us anymore.
Chris_Balsz on February 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Russia will fold last minute as they always do. They have learned this from the democrats and their lying ways.
bluegrass on February 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM
yeah, that strategy worked well in….oh, nevermind.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Blockade
Philly on February 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM
I know why Conservatives are worried. Maybe you should ask Obama why he is worried.
PappaMac on February 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM
So because they can’t hit the US they pose no threat to the rest of the world? Hmm……let’s see, you don’t mind paying $25.00 for a gallon of gasoline.
Johnnyreb on February 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM
then let’s leave that shithole altogether and let them suffer their fate.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM
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Not to mention N. Korea has the missle technology to reach the US.
You under-estimate what a nuclear Iran will do tot he Middle East. They will all want nukes. A nuclear Middle East just puts a smile on your face doesn’t is?
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM
1) you think Iran wants gas to go that high? hell no
2) their only allies – china and russia – would be mighty pissed if that happens
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Israel, you moron. Please try again.
Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Touche!
scalleywag on February 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Hillary will emerge when she knows it will be to her advantage. She is smart to keep her head down and avoid Maobama’s negatives.
Philly on February 8, 2010 at 12:30 PM
well, that\’s an idiotic and costly philosophy (ie Iraq and Afgan bankrupting us slowly but surely like it did Russia)
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:31 PM
So if Iran can launch a satellite, they have no hope to soon be able to have a missle capabale of hitting the US?
WashJeff on February 8, 2010 at 12:31 PM
1) you think Iran wants gas to go that high? hell no
2) their only allies – china and russia – would be mighty pissed if that happens
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM
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Iran can basically cut off crude oil distribution to the world.
Iran doesn’t want gas to go high because they don’t have the ability to refine oil into gasoline (but that’s why they are buddy buddy with China).
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Is Israel a state of the US now? why do I care?
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM
well, that\’s an idiotic and costly philosophy (ie Iraq and Afgan bankrupting us slowly but surely like it did Russia)
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:31 PM
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Obama’s Porkulus 1 cost more than those wars.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Yes but just think of all the treasonous lepers that will lose their lives if Iran attacks Israel.
Johnnyreb on February 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Is Israel a state of the US now? why do I care?
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM
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Why do you care so much about giving lazy fools everything they need for free with my money, bankrupting everything, but you have no desire to help protect our greatest allies in the world?
Priorities.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Palin Steele, do remember or have ever heard of a man named Neville Chamberlain? How about Clement Atlee? Well……
LarryG on February 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM
1) thats a load of bull faeces. Stimulus cost 800 billion. The wars cost over a trillion. And we have only spent about 10% of the stimulus, so only spent about 100 billion.
2) the stimulus helped AMERICANs..unemployment funds, infrastructure programs, etc.
The wars are helping some desert living scum.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Regime change.
Philly on February 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM
You must be off from school today because of all of the snow.
Get off the computer and go outside and make a snowman or snow angels, you fool.
Knucklehead on February 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Sorry about the omission – should have said “do you”
LarryG on February 8, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Palin Steele would prefer that Iran nuke Isreal. Fits right in with the Progressive ideology, plus it’s quicker and more cost efficient than Holocaust Part 2.
It’s just that an Anti-Semite won’t just come out and say that, but it’s obvious that’s what they want from their comments.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Israel is prob one of the major reasons the muslims hate us so much.
Our alliance costs us far more than we gain.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:36 PM
So my guess is that you wouldn’t care about a second holocaust?
And besides, it’s not like they could load a weapon onto a hijacked freighter and send it suicide bomber style into NYC or any other port city right?
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 12:36 PM
lol, so now I’m an antisemite…lovely. /s
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Palin Steele shows his ignorance.
Philly on February 8, 2010 at 12:39 PM
1) thats a load of bull faeces. Stimulus cost 800 billion. The wars cost over a trillion. And we have only spent about 10% of the stimulus, so only spent about 100 billion.
2) the stimulus helped AMERICANs..unemployment funds, infrastructure programs, etc.
The wars are helping some desert living scum.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM
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The stimulus helped State Gov’ts paste over budget deficits so they can worry about them in the future and just keep on living the liberal fantasy.
Other than wealthy Democrat donors, I haven’t heard of anyone being helped by Porkulus.
And are you admitting that the Porkulus is a dismal failure? A slush fund for the 2010 Democrat election effort perhaps?
But it’s nice of you to come out of the closet and admit your blatant racist personality with the “desert scum” line. Good job.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Probably?
Gee one would think you far-Left National Socialist moonbats would much more sure of yourselves.
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Palin Steele = typical moonbat Maobamite
Philly on February 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM
It’s just that an Anti-Semite won’t just come out and say that, but it’s obvious that’s what they want from their comments.
lol, so now I’m an antisemite…lovely. /s
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM
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I can’t come to any other conclusion after reading your anti-Isreal comments over the past months.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Probably?
Gee one would think you far-Left National Socialist moonbats would BE much more sure of yourselves.
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Because we support a country that Muslims want to and have been trying to terminate, we are the bad guy.
Logic.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:42 PM
I’m not anti-israel. I’m just agnostic toward it, as I am virtually any country that costs us more than it benefits us.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:42 PM
The Iran topic sure brings out the nuts. Must be because it is a tiny country.
ORconservative on February 8, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Russia: The backbone to stop Iran that America lacks. -Paid for by Vladimir Putin for President. “I’m Vladi, and I approve this message.”
BKeyser on February 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM
I’m not anti-israel. I’m just agnostic toward it, as I am virtually any country that costs us more than it benefits us.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 12:42 PM
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Then I guess I’m glad to know you are anti-Europe as well. At least you aren’t all bad.
uknowmorethanme on February 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM
Missiles? Who said anything about missiles?
I think we were talking about freighters and airliners, weren’t we?
unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM
Isreal is the reason the Muslims hate us so much? Did I read that right?
Palin Steele, are you related to AnninCA?
ORconservative on February 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM
He didn’t get the name “dum-dum” for nothin’.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on February 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM
1350 years of Imperialistic Islamic Expansionistic Total War~ conquering all of the Christian and Jewish Middle East, Christian and pagan North Africa and Egypt, sweeping into Christian Spain (and staying for 600 years) and advancing as far as France, sacking Rome at one point, dominating the Mediterranean, marching up into the Balkans, nearly taking Vienna, overwhelming Zoroastrian Persia, Buddhist Afghanistan, Hindu India, parts of China~ and that’s your best shot?
Historically blind, or purposely deceitful?
profitsbeard on February 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM
False. Anything that destabilizes the Middle East is a direct threat to our economy; a situation made much more serious by the idiots in DC blocking development of domestic energy sources.
If you have to ask, I doubt you will ever understand; though I believe you are being deliberately obtuse.
hillbillyjim on February 8, 2010 at 12:49 PM
You lie.
hillbillyjim on February 8, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Russians are conservatives now? Heh.
Barry is conservative now too? Heh.
Guess they’re not taking this stuff lightly…
1) ‘Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11′
2) 2 Israeli Navy ships passed through Suez Canal
selias on February 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Can’t we make a deal with China? Let them bomb Iran and extort them for cheap fuel and we’ll veto any UN attempt to interfere.
Darth Executor on February 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Just trying to understand here: does this mean that A-jad was unimpressed with Obama’s grammar and usage?
paul1149 on February 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Are you insane? Do you know what a nuclear war (which is what would happen between iran and israel) would do to the world?
Darth Executor on February 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Guess he’s not really into the Harvard dialect.
Darth Executor on February 8, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Hmm. Here I thought all along that it was Obama Franks Waters, LLC, Destroyers of the Nation’s Economy, which was slowly sucking the blood out of our economy…
unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Evidently expert Pro-Iranian Troll dave742 couldn’t make it so they sent it a Troll substitute.
kingsjester on February 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Dear God. People like this are running our country right now.
Youngs98 on February 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM
You don’t. The rest of us do. They are an allied state, and we have defense treaties with them.
unclesmrgol on February 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM
So, terrorist’s who obtain nuclear weapons from Iran would pose no threat?
Johan Klaus on February 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM
You are not aware of sh*t, troll…what an inane remark. Of course, what do we expect from someone called “DumDum“???
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM
I understand what you mean. You cost me more in taxes that you benefit me.
ladyingray on February 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM
You tards are missing my point.
My point is that the US should not always sacrifice its blood and treasure to protect the rest of the world.
If we always serve as the world’s protector, what incentive does it provide for other nations to step up and stand up for whats right…they could comfortably slink in the shade and wait for the Mighty USA to take of things and absorb all the wrath.
Yet, I come here, sensibly preaching this and what do I get…I get labled a antisemite.
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Let me explain this to you in simple terms:
Terrorist need on two items: Something that will blow up and a way to move it to it’s target.
Iran is steadily working on item number item one, that means all they need to strike at us or anyone else is a way to move their bomb to wherever they want to strike – that can be a missile, aircraft, ship or whatever.
Of course, it’s not like anyone’s practiced at hijacking ships, so they probably won’t use that method.
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Why don’t you shut that piehole of yours and get the heck out of here, troll…ACE kicked you out for a reason–we don’t need one more ignorant troll around here…
GO AWAY DUM-DUM!
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Because we don’t want to see hundreds of thousands of people dead.
Unlike lefties, we like people.
Except for that “being on the side of free people against tyrants” thing.
And, unlike lefties, we dislike tyrants.
Crawford on February 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Been paying attention is 8th grade Social Studies, I see…
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Is that you Peolsi? Reid? Barry?
Johan Klaus on February 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM
The same old same old.
More rope-a-dope tactics by Iran, Russia and China against the US and western Europe…
albill on February 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Won’t work. “Palin Steele” simply cannot allow himself to learn, as that would deprive him of the ability to troll.
Better he simply be denied a forum for his idiocy.
Crawford on February 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Says the villiage idiot…DumDum…
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Who says the bomb has to travel by missile? A cargo container marked as persian rugs blowing up in New York harbor or perhaps Baltimore would be plenty destructive.
MaaddMaaxx on February 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM
They could do that now if they wanted to. Nukes are not the only deadly mass area weapons ya know?
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Don’t know about that but going by the regular posters over at Ace’s, you’re a complete imbecile.
And judging from the scat you have dropped around here so far I’d have to agree.
BigWyo on February 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM
DumDum spends a lot of time in his mother’s closet…and in his sister’s underwear drawer…
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Why do you think they kicked it out of Ace’s….
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:12 PM
wow you’re obsessed with me.
also I dont have a sister. FAIL
Palin Steele on February 8, 2010 at 1:12 PM
That’s probably the case, hopefully other people can see my point.
Besides, PS probably doesn’t know the first thing about Fallout, so even IF a nuclear conflict were just limited to the middle east, it would most likely affect the rest of the planet.
Something bad happening to momma Gaia probably wouldn’t sit well with you PS, would it?
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 1:15 PM
I see what got you banned at Ace’s, Dum Dum. Your charming personality and razor sharp intellect are underwhelming.
kingsjester on February 8, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Do you have an answer to my point that the terrorists wouldn’t need to use a missile to attack us?
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM
Don’t be so mean to Dum Dum!
AsianGirlInTights on February 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM
DumDum can’t even understand simple….Poster child for Fetal Alcohol Syndrme, and all that…poor thing–I’m not sure if his mother was charged….
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Right up there on the list of dumbest things ever said here at HA.
Bishop on February 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Not to our homeland, but to our interests and our allies in the region (Israel, Iraq, KSA, etc).
Kafir on February 8, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Ha, nice try idiot…
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Hey genius, tell me exactly what we ‘win’ if we run ourselves bankrupt trying to be the world’s cop?!
How about we get our own house in order, both economically and politically, before we presume to go out and try ‘nation-building’?
Dark-Star on February 8, 2010 at 1:26 PM
They can reach orbit. In case you didn’t study much math or science in school, that means they can reach you Dum Dum
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/sc_afp/iranspace
AsianGirlInTights on February 8, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Starting with Ground Zero?
Chris_Balsz on February 8, 2010 at 1:27 PM
What will happen to us economically if our energy supplies are cut off?
Chip on February 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Are you Dum Dum’s dumber little brother?
AsianGirlInTights on February 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM
I agree with you, I don’t like the idea of being the Global Police either but the situation is never one that we can just ignore. There are no other volunteers volunteering to play security guard much less cop, so we at least need to be willing to decapitate threats in our own national self interest.
Ignoring Iran and their nuclear ambitions will give us yet another nuclear-armed basket case like Pakistan and North Korea; armed to the teeth and on the edge of anarchy.
Bishop on February 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM
1950′s US nuclear tech could make a bomb that is about the size of two 55 gallon drums stacked on one another.
Assuming that they only can get to that level of development, think of all of the ways to get a low yield nuke into a major Western city.
Here is one:
Ponder the damage a 40kt nuke going off in a container on a ship, that just happens to be getting ready to dock at Baltimore, or one that is going through the Panama Canal.
RIFs having nukes should make you have trouble sleeping at night, if it does not you lack imagination and insight.
Nathan_OH on February 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM
Exactly, let’s sit on our thumbs until they get that capacity in 10 years and are far more powerful as a result.
Because the best position to deal from is always one of weakness. Maybe they’ll take pity on us.
NoDonkey on February 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM
Ah diplomacy…such a slow, discreet process.
ernesto on February 8, 2010 at 1:35 PM
How about you review the history of American Isolationism–”GENIUS”…
lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Yes…starting with that…
The G-0 rebuilding mess really hits a nerve with me. It illustrates so well the incompetence, the infighting and the polarization that is crippling our nation.
“Drill baby drill!” – remember?
High time to quit funding that bunch of goastf**king religious zealots because we ‘need’ their oil. Heck, there’s going to be a lot more people wanting the same amount soon enough. Time to find our own supply, and let everyone else go to Sam Shady for theirs.
Dark-Star on February 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Isolationism =/= playing world policeman.
Unfortunately, we can’t just take the ‘ostrich stance’ anymore, but neither should we presume that the world would stop spinning if the US got its foreign priorities straight.
Dark-Star on February 8, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Iran doesn’t have the missile technology to reach the US. YET.
Are you actually stupid enough to believe that this will always be the case?
MarkTheGreat on February 8, 2010 at 1:40 PM
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