Senate Democrats now living in a 59-41 world on Stimulus II

posted at 10:18 am on February 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The headline says it all — Democrats Scramble to Draw GOP Support for Jobs Bill.  The change in tactics from the we-won strategy of 2009 comes from the loss of the Massachusetts seat to Scott Brown, stripping Harry Reid of his 60-vote supermajority, which actually never produced a major bill that passed into law.  Suddenly, they need to woo at least a few Republicans, which means that a jobs bill will have to have significant GOP input:

Senate Democrats are working hard behind the scenes to draw Republican support for their first official jobs bill — a struggle forced upon Democrats by the GOP upset in Massachusetts this month that snatched away their filibuster-proof majority.

Negotiations have been ongoing for weeks, as Democrats try to incorporate GOP ideas, like a popular package of tax extenders.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., while not expected to tackle any legislation in his own committee, has been working to get the support of his committee’s top Republican, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, as well as other committee Republicans, like Orrin Hatch of Utah. Hatch has joined fellow committee Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York in offering a jobs tax credit that is likely to be included in the bill, according to leadership sources.

The irony here is that if Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had allowed Republicans to contribute to the first stimulus bill (and the health-care overhaul), they probably wouldn’t have lost Massachusetts at all.  The failure of Porkulus to stimulate economic growth and job creation would have been on both parties instead of the Democrats and Barack Obama.  Instead, Pelosi and Reid high-handed the GOP and took all of the risk, expecting to get all of the reward — but instead wound up with the blame,  and the anger of the electorate.

However, the good news is entirely contained to process.  The next stimulus package — what Democrats insist on calling a jobs bill after the utter flop of their first stimulus package last year — will be a smaller-scale Porkulus, only this time with more tax cuts and credits to get Republicans on board.  Last February, there were plenty of Republicans who wanted to vote for a stimulus package but wound up voting against Porkulus in exasperation after being locked out of the process. Now that they’re on the inside, Republicans will wind up spending money in much the same manner as Democrats in Porkulus I, to much the same effect.

Take the jobs tax credit that Senators Hatch and Schumer will propose.  If it’s anything like what Obama outlined in his SOTU speech, it will be completely ineffective.  A $5000 tax credit won’t incentivize an employer to hire someone without having the demand necessary for the new hire in the first place.  A hiring decision costs many times more money than just $5000.  That credit will subsidize hiring decisions that would have taken place without the credit anyway.  They would do better to lower the capital-gains tax rate for small business investment, or eliminate it altogether, as a means to create actual private-sector growth.

The end result of the Brown election will be that Reid and Pelosi will have to do what they promised all along, and which they didn’t deliver at all: engage with the opposition.  That won’t necessarily mean a big improvement in legislation, especially on government stimulus packages, which are almost always more damaging than helpful.

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

Stay with us Scott, keep your fiscal sanity.

OmahaConservative on February 6, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Now, we will watch the memories of the Republicans!!!

mobydutch on February 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Here come the RINOs, two by two…

datadriver on February 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Now that they’re on the inside, Republicans will wind up spending money in much the same manner as Democrats in Porkulus I, to much the same effect.

It that’s true, then any conservative newcomer from outside the D.C. beltway will defeat any incumbent.

Come on, young people, run for office as a young conservative.

Skandia Recluse on February 6, 2010 at 10:23 AM

If the GOP goes along with it…the Tea Party will grow and grow and grow and grow..

bridgetown on February 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Wait, what changed? Oh, now they need Republicans. Hmmm. Our friends on the left appear to have a minimum of two faces.

perroviejo on February 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Here come the RINOs, two by two…

datadriver on February 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Yep

artist on February 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Maybe Judas Nelson, Bleccch Lincoln, and Evan Bye-Bayh will surprise us here…

OmahaConservative on February 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM

These congress-critters always have to do something when the best answer most of the time is: get out of the way.

Mord on February 6, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Gawd forbid Porkulus II! And the GOP going along with it because they get to steal from the treasury too.

I’m pissed.

solidaction on February 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM

slightly O/T, but this is funny and so true. Maybe with the new math of Brown 41 the Rats will start to get it, or not.

2ipa on February 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM

The reps should demand that every dime spent in this joke of a jobs bill be removed from the Porkulus bill. This way the deficit doesn’t increase.

csdeven on February 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM

They might get more traction with voters if they cancel Porkulus 1 to what’s been spent, then use the balance for Pork 2. Of course, I won’t one of the voters so influenced.

Maybe for once the Pubs will grow a pair and get Dems on the defensive until the November elections, when we can break the Pelosi majority.

Liam on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Just saw that Obama is back to -15 on Rasmussen today. Thank God!

Oh and Senator Brown – just say no to porkulus II

gophergirl on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

You’re just begging for them to tear down the filibuster, aren’t you?

ernesto on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I wonder if more Buying and Selling of Congress critters will be forthcoming ? Oh, and Bribes of course.

Congress doesn’t seem to be able to bring a bill to a vote unless bribes are involved.

A maximum 2 page bill, CUT TAXES and FREEZE ALL Government spending, is all that is needed. DC is frozen right now, but spending is not.

JayTee on February 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Why would an GOP senator in their right mind vote for something as unpopular as a second stimulus bill.

commodore on February 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Why do Republicans hate jobs?

LibTired on February 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Republicans will wind up spending money in much the same manner as Democrats in Porkulus I, to much the same effect.

That’s one mighty fine crystal ball you’ve got there Ed. Let’s make some money with it. Who’s going to win the Super Bowl and by how much? I still have time to lay down a bet.

TheBigOldDog on February 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Why would an GOP senator in their right mind vote for something as unpopular as a second stimulus bill.

commodore on February 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Don’t question the Crystal ball! It never misses!

TheBigOldDog on February 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM

2ipa on February 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM

lol

Disturb the Universe on February 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Hear, Hear!

A $5000 tax credit won’t incentivize an employer to hire someone without having the demand necessary for the new hire in the first place.

Should I hire 30 production workers to reap $150,000 and possibly increase productivity per person or should I hire a supervising manager at $150,000 per year to improve the productivity of the people I already have? Answer: the manager is coming on-board.

A hiring decision costs many times more money than just $5000. That credit will subsidize hiring decisions that would have taken place without the credit anyway.

And, that credit will be returned in some creative method as well.

ericdijon on February 6, 2010 at 10:33 AM

You’re just begging for them to tear down the filibuster, aren’t you?

ernesto on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

They are going to do what they think they can get away with regardless of what the Right thinks. Actions have consequences.

Cindy Munford on February 6, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Didn’t the Dems have “only” 59 votes when Porkulus I was being negotiated? Remember, that was before S.P.E.C.T.R.E. turncoated to the Democrats. All the Dems have to do is pick off one Republican.

Doughboy on February 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Brown’s election was just the first phase. Stop the insanity.

Now the hard parts begins… keeping the pressure on the idiot Republicans not to lay down and make slower but equally dangerous policy and compromise with the Dems.

katy on February 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Democrats Scramble to Draw GOP Support for Jobs Bill.

Call it the “Biden 3-Letter Word Bill”. That describes the legislation, and those behind it, to a tee.

neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Why do we need Stimulus II when they still have 80% of Stimulus I left?

darwin on February 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM

You’re just begging for them to tear down the filibuster, aren’t you?

ernesto on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

This country would absolutely erupt.

neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Why would an GOP senator in their right mind vote for something as unpopular as a second stimulus bill.

commodore on February 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Don’t question the Crystal ball! It never misses!

TheBigOldDog on February 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Senator Kay-Bailey Hutchison wonders in her race for the Republican nominee for Governor here why she signed something as unpopular as a first stimulus bill. I think her race for guv has had about as much impact as a feather landing on concrete.

Marcus on February 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM

What is a jobs bill anyway? They hire government union government workers that produce nothing, spend their time on Facebook or porn, manipulate the employment numbers, (literally and figuratively), and can’t be fired, and we pay the bill? Thanks for askin’, NO.

ontherocks on February 6, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Why do we need Stimulus II when they still have 80% of Stimulus I left?

darwin on February 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Two reasons:

1) The Dems have to appear to be doing something, anything on the economy. Since all they seem to be good at is spending money, here comes Porkulus II.

2) They’re on the verge of losing a lot of seats in November. Maybe even control of both Houses. So they need to get as many slush funds passed as possible before then.

Doughboy on February 6, 2010 at 10:39 AM

When I read that instead of creating another trillion dollar deficit the government has decided to take a chain saw to the federal budget – slaughtering herds of sacred cows – then I may sit up and take notice.

Until then, its full speed ahead to remove as many incumbents as possible in November.

Then it will be full speed ahead to give Barry the swiftest political kick in the a** of all time out of the White House.

We

turfmann on February 6, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Finally! The Republicans are forced out of hiding now that they have 41. I wonder if we’ll be seeing any 59-41 votes. The return of McCain more likely.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Gawd forbid Porkulus II! And the GOP going along with it because they get to steal from the treasury too.

I’m pissed.

solidaction on February 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM

I think that depends on what it is. If it is comprised of tax cuts and other market based incentives, then it might not be a bad thing, it might even help. If nothing else, the Republicans can talk about their ideas even if the Democrats do not go along with any of their initiatives in the end. Being part of the process does not make someone a RINO…if the finished product is fiscally sound.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:48 AM

I’ve heard from government workers just how terrible the first stimulus was. Most of the people who got the money couldn’t even spend it in the required time frame. It was a mess, and it was horribly done.

The Dean on February 6, 2010 at 10:50 AM

I reiterate what other posters have said.

No, nada, nyet.

NO JOBS BILL!

WHATSOEVER!

REPEAL PORKULUS 1!

PattyJ on February 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM

It shouldn’t be hard to find a few pubbies to bribe in the name of bipartisanship. They need to keep the pork hidden though. That’s what they’re working through, now. All Hatch needs is a a national championship for Boise State and he’ll sign anything.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Now the hard parts begins… keeping the pressure on the idiot Republicans not to lay down and make slower but equally dangerous policy and compromise with the Dems.

katy on February 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM

bingo. And just when I was finally getting used to dying a fast death, they’re gonna bring the slow one back.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Brown’s election was just the first phase. Stop the insanity.

Now the hard parts begins… keeping the pressure on the idiot Republicans not to lay down and make slower but equally dangerous policy and compromise with the Dems.

katy on February 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Idiot Republicans? Who? What Republicans voted for the first stimulus bill? And how many Republican Senators voted for Obamacare? So far the Republicans have done a pretty good job of just saying no and that is a good thing, so why call them idiots?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM

If the Republicans begin talking about “working with Democrats in a ‘bi-partisan fashion,’” there will be war and nobody’s will be safe.

pugwriter on February 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM

bingo. And just when I was finally getting used to dying a fast death, they’re gonna bring the slow one back.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Would you prefer that Brown had lost the election and the Republicans were shut out altogether?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:53 AM

If the Republicans begin talking about “working with Democrats in a ‘bi-partisan fashion,’” there will be war and nobody’s will be safe.

pugwriter on February 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM

This is ridiculous. The American people actually want these people to do something productive with themselves. They do not want them to just sit back and call each other names. The Republicans need to show that they have ideas of their own and put pressure on Democrats to work with them.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Would you prefer that Brown had lost the election and the Republicans were shut out altogether?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:53 AM

No, because there’s a chance we can win this way. But only a chance, not an assurance. It depends on what the idiot Republicans do.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM

It shouldn’t be hard to find a few pubbies to bribe in the name of bipartisanship. They need to keep the pork hidden though. That’s what they’re working through, now. All Hatch needs is a a national championship for Boise State and he’ll sign anything.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM

So, no new tax breaks or anything that might help?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM

This is ridiculous. The American people actually want these people to do something productive with themselves. They do not want them to just sit back and call each other names.

The Am. people elected Obama. I want to win, convert the enemy or destroy them. But I’m old-fashioned that way.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Would you prefer that Brown had lost the election and the Republicans were shut out altogether?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you. If you are asking me slow death or fast death,I choose fast and bloody.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM

No, because there’s a chance we can win this way. But only a chance, not an assurance. It depends on what the idiot Republicans do.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM

I don’t think the Republicans are idiots, and I don’t think the American people are idiots either and they want their government to function with some sanity, not just endless partisan wrangling and bickering that produces nothing but debt and bad feeling.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Oh, I don’t know. What about the fact that they were well on their way, and still could be, in the process of becoming a doppelganger of the Democratic Party? Content to reach across the aisle, sit on their bar stoll at the Beltway Elitist Country Club, while ignoring the wishes of their Conservative electorate? The Tea Parties and the Townhalls got their attention so now they’re acting like they want to return to Reagan Conservatism. That’s great. Kum Ba Ya. Talk is cheap. Show the American people you’re sincere, Republicans. Stand up to the Democrats in a meaningful way.

kingsjester on February 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Terrye,
The Reps. have ALWAYS layed down with Dems creating or supporting bad policy because that’s what they do.

Snowe, McCain, Collins, Graham to name the most obvious RINOs.

Why do you think they got thumped in 06 and 08?

How long have you been following politics?

katy on February 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Maybe the fiscal hawk republicans can engineer a strong jobs bill and call for the spending to actually take place and real tax cuts. If the dems promote a watered down, weak jobs bill the R’s should call it for what it is.

Kissmygrits on February 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I don’t think the Republicans are idiots, and I don’t think the American people are idiots either

I know u don’t.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you. If you are asking me slow death or fast death,I choose fast and bloody.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I see, so why do you care? If you hate everyone and everything and think it all sucks and it is just idiot Republicans and the slow death or Democrats and the fast death…then why even bother to vote?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

So this is why Cao was the only repub invited to the Super Bowl party at the White House. He’s an easy roll.

capejasmine on February 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

This is ridiculous. The American people actually want these people to do something productive with themselves. They do not want them to just sit back and call each other names. The Republicans need to show that they have ideas of their own and put pressure on Democrats to work with them.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM

You claim to have your finger on the pulse of the American people. How do you know this? Every time Congress does something, another law goes into effect and more money we don’t have gets spent. Gridlock is fine,..and I suspect more people agree with that than you think.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I know u don’t.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

At least I know how to spell you

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM

A maximum 2 page bill, CUT TAXES and FREEZE CUT BY HALF ALL Government spending, is all that is needed. DC is frozen right now, but spending is not.

JayTee on February 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM

FIFY

CC

CapedConservative on February 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I’m no economist, but something tells me the last thing we need to do right now is spend more money on something that may or may not work. We certainly don’t have any glowing reports about the first stimulus. Yet, I’ve read several articles that say we didn’t spend enough the first time, that the best thing to do right now is spend huge amounts of money and the deficits will eventually take care of themselves. Who knows which is right. I wish I had more confidence in our government to make the right decisions.

scalleywag on February 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM

You’re just begging for them to tear down the filibuster, aren’t you?

ernesto on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Won’t happen -quit dreaming Rino boy

CWforFreedom on February 6, 2010 at 11:03 AM

These corrupt Dhims were pitching HC reform as a fiscal life preserver when
Congress reform or Federal Government reform is what most of us want. But that would be like expecting sharks to live on plankton. It’s the sharks that need to go.

ontherocks on February 6, 2010 at 11:03 AM

I don’t think the Republicans are idiots, and I don’t think the American people are idiots either and they want their government to function with some sanity, not just endless partisan wrangling and bickering that produces nothing but debt and bad feeling.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM

How much legislation doesn’t produce debt?

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 11:04 AM

We must thank the Donks.
They locked us out of the trough.
But those days are gone.

Now the GOP
Will spend as much, if not more,
We are just as bad…

Haiku Guy on February 6, 2010 at 11:05 AM

You claim to have your finger on the pulse of the American people. How do you know this? Every time Congress does something, another law goes into effect and more money we don’t have gets spent. Gridlock is fine,..and I suspect more people agree with that than you think.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I don’t claim anything really. Like a lot of other people I see the polls that say the people want government to function, they want less government, but that does not mean that if the Republicans could push for and get a capitol gains tax cut they would be angry about it. I am just saying that the Republicans have a chance to push for some of their policies now, like the kind of things even conservatives like DeMint and Pence want. Now maybe people want them to do nothing. Maybe they voted for Brown because they thought he was just a pretty face and would hang out in DC, but not actually attempt to do anything with himself, but I doubt that.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:05 AM

How much legislation doesn’t produce debt?

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 11:04 AM

This is ridiculouos. Oh, I don’t know, how much debt did the Bush tax cuts produce? If you are a Democrat you will say a lot, but if you are a conservative you might have a different answer.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM

At least I know how to spell you

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Yes, I used chat slang.I thought we were having a civil conversation. I simply disagree with “you” and said so.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Keyensian theory says you should spend more to stimulate the economy. But the theory never envisioned a scenario where the existing government debt is as large as the Gross Domestic Product. In this kind of an environment, the stimulative effect of spending is more than outweighed by the contraction of available capital as government borrowing sucks up every available investment dollar.

We are so far away from a “normal” economic situation that this theory must be thrown out the window. It is just an excuese politicians use to do what politicians do, which is to buy our votes with our own money and to concentrate power in their own hands.

Haiku Guy on February 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Let see now.. 1,000,000 new jobs which translated to american thought patterns equals 1,000,000 new government positions times $ 91,000.00 per state as recently stated equals WTF…..

Washington doesn’t need to reset the button but instead needs a major attitute adjustment. A can of whoop ass at the polls. The people are sick and damn tired of these elete A-Holes ignoring us and you can believe they will speak load and clear come November.

bluegrass on February 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM

so hatch and the maine twins will triumph again

*sigh*

we have got to get new blood up there

cmsinaz on February 6, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Will the Apollo Alliance write Porkulus II, too?

Let’s not play the semantics game of the Dems. They want to reframe the issue by calling the legislation a jobs bill in order to sell it to the unwary. It will be nothing more than another stimulus to the Dem coffers via expanded bureaucracy. Voila! Look at the jobs that were created!

Government jobs do not grow an economy.

onlineanalyst on February 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM

I see, so why do you care? If you hate everyone and everything and think it all sucks and it is just idiot Republicans and the slow death or Democrats and the fast death…then why even bother to vote?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I didn’t say I hated everyone and everything. I hate my enemies and what they stand for. But like many, I think you feel such an opinion is out-of-bounds, beyond-the-pale, so I’ll just stop talking now. It was a mistake to start.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM

ernesto on February 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

You usually do much better than this. While there is going to be figurative blood in the streets come November doing a cram down might change that to literal blood in the streets.

chemman on February 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM

One reason Scott Brown was elected was the Conservatives saw the Reps finally holding fast on Obamacare.
It was a rare sight to see this kind of unity. It wasn’t necessarily for conservative reasons, but nonetheless they did it.

Once the Reps get a little power they always seem to abuse it and each RINO tends to go rogue and then the shift towards the slow, socialist agenda begins all over again.

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM

This is ridiculouos. Oh, I don’t know, how much debt did the Bush tax cuts produce? If you are a Democrat you will say a lot, but if you are a conservative you might have a different answer.

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Then why are we where we are? Our present financial situation is due to passed legislation. Both parties are involved.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 11:13 AM

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Yes Sir, that’s been the history. I’m so hoping it will be possible to change that narrative. It will be miraculous in fact.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:14 AM

They would do better to lower the capital-gains tax rate for small business investment, or eliminate it altogether, as a means to create actual private-sector growth.

Ed or anyone else, please explain how this will help. I’m all for a very low long-term capital-gains tax rate, regardless of the type of capital asset (say, investment in stock of a publicly traded company, real estate, or stock or LLC interest of a small business). But the capital-gains rate applicable to any of these investments is important only at the time the investor (or operator, in the case of the small business) cashes out. In other words, it comes into play only after the investor (or operator) has seen a significant appreciation in the value of the investment–which takes time.

To be sure, maybe reducing the capital-gains tax rate for small business investment might be an incentive for someone with a really good idea to launch the enterprise. But for the person deciding to strike out in a new venture, the tax rate seems largely irrelevant. More important, I don’t see it having much effect on job creation at all.

Obama and Congress need to (1) retain the Bush individual tax rates; (2) reduce the highest marginal large-corporation (C corporation) tax rate at least to 25%; (3) pass legislation addressing the current one-year repeal of the federal estate tax; (4) announce that card-check is abandoned; (5) announce that cap-and-trade is abandoned; (6)announce that Obamacare is abandoned–to be replaced by commonsense, no-cost reforms; and (7) announce reversal of the 3-2 SEC vote to require publicly traded companies to assess and report the supposed impact of climate change on those companies.

I’m sure that I’m just scratching the surface. Again, I just don’t see how reduction of the capital-gains rate on small business investment ties into immediate job creation. And, as Ed indicates, the tax credit idea is a joke. It’s nothing but an employment-related “Cash for Clunkers.” Maybe we can call it “Cash for Gofers.”

Members of the GOP may be stupid enough to go along just to appear bipartisan, but Obama’s proposals clearly indicate that Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. And the GOP needs to carefully explain why his proposals won’t work and, instead, go back to screaming at people that the problem is that employers are too afraid of Obama’s other agenda items to hire anyone.

BuckeyeSam on February 6, 2010 at 11:15 AM

A slick political ploy to give Porkulus II the name of “Jobs Bill”, which makes it look as though anyone who votes against it is against creating jobs.

As a small business owner, I can tell you that the $5 K proposal is dead on arrival at my place. Besides, there’s no current demand that would cause me to hire more people!

Does Obama think I’m going to hire additional workers just to earn a measly five thousand dollars in tax credits? If he does – or any politico thinks so – they’re insane.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Having run my own company and paid salaries, payroll tax, unemployment tax, and health care benefits for my employees, I can say two things:

1. I’ll never do THAT again.

2. If you want more people on the PAYROLL, this may sound crazy, but cut the PAYROLL TAX, permanently. Don’t play this kabuki with credits and other gimmicks.

greggriffith on February 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Take this jobs bill and shove it. I ain’t votin’ yes no more.

Mojave Mark on February 6, 2010 at 11:20 AM

It will be miraculous in fact.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:14 AM

It will. We can help that miracle along by staying as active and forceful as we have. Now is not the time to wait and see.

It’s time to ramp it up!

The Reps need to know we’re still on their heels like never before.

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:22 AM

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:22 AM

I’m with you. Man, Texas must be some place!

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM

So, no new tax breaks or anything that might help?

Terrye on February 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM

The only thing that will help is to free up capital. As long as the government is inhaling that capital like a black hole inhales matter businesses will not hire. The government won’t eliminate Corporate taxes or capital gains taxes which is the best way to free up the capital.

chemman on February 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Texas?

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Destroying the Democrat supermajority is the first step to sanity. The balance of power has been tilted too far in one direction, and only thorough their own incompetence have we not had Obamacare or similarly bad laws passed.

Dark-Star on February 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Texas?

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM

LOL. I thought you were a guy from Katy, TX.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM

GoldenEagle4444 on February 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM

One of the dim senators, I think from Kalifornia, asked the Zero if he could sign an executive order requiring the banks to lend the money they are holding unto. So if this so called jobs bill doesn’t work I wouldn’t be surprised if the government didn’t try to pass a law with a mandate requiring every business to hire at least one person or face a tax penalty.

chemman on February 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Once the Reps get a little power they always seem to abuse it and each RINO tends to go rogue and then the shift towards the slow, socialist agenda begins all over again.

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM

If the Dems choose to water down their socialism a notch or two the RINOs like Grassley, Collins etc. will get picked off.

The Republicans have to create conservative GOP alternatives and hold the line for them. Boehner and McConnell are already too chicken to back Ryan’s Health Care alternate. They prefer doing nothing because they don’t have any real conviction nor do they feel urgency for anything other than their own reelection.

The GOP leadership lacks passion and conviction. Steele was right, they’re not ready to lead. They have to be purged or the results of 2010 will be wasted on the small socialism of the Bush era.

rcl on February 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM

HA!…..

a chick from Colorado…

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM

chemman on February 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM

A guest on Kudlow’s show last night said that sometime during the Depression, Roosevelt disallowed businesses to retain any profits. All profits had to be paid out in the form of salary increases or new hires. If a company retained profits (had savings) they were taxed. She claimed this led to a depression within a depression, as the increased tax on businesses interfered with growth and real job creation. Failure is nothing new to Socialism.

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:31 AM

a chick from Colorado…

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Grinning. Pleased to meet you. Give ‘em hell Katy!

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Boehner and McConnell are already too chicken to back Ryan’s Health Care alternate.
rcl on February 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Ryan is a leader. He has risen to the surface in the last year and as far as I’m concerned it’s time for Boehner and McConnell to step aside.
The Tea Party needs to formulate and articulate some major changes in leadership or all of our momentum will be for nothing..

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Why do Republicans hate jobs?
LibTired on February 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Why don’t liberals HAVE jobs?

metric on February 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Anyone who buys into the “jobs bill” moniker is drinking the cool aid, and that includes Republicans in congress. It’s porkulus II or III or whatever. The Democrats threw out the hook with “jobs bill” on it and just look at the dumb Republicans chomp down on it.

I wonder how many seats it will cost Republicans to vote for this?

Being the party of no to higher taxes and spending was working.

This leads me to believe the Democrats in congress are smarter than the Republicans.

Set the hook Dems, you’re going to catch a boatload.

donh525 on February 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:31 AM

No surprise there. If true I just learned something new for the day. Thanks.

chemman on February 6, 2010 at 11:34 AM

JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:32 AM

;)… pretty funny.

I kinda liked the guy from Katy thingy though. I love Texas!

katy on February 6, 2010 at 11:35 AM

If Boehner & McConnell had a brain they’d immediately demand the unspent $500,000,000,000 from the original Stimulus Bill be REDIRECTED in lieu of any new spending on “Stimulus II”.

Just watch… I bet they won’t bring it up or support it if a member puts it forward.

They’re just as committed as the Democrats to bring as much money as possible under Federal control.

rcl on February 6, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Mark Steyn punctures the ObaMao-Dem balloon with targeted pinpricks. The upshot: Stop government spending!
http://article.nationalreview.com/424153/unsustainable/mark-steyn

onlineanalyst on February 6, 2010 at 11:36 AM

If a company retained profits (had savings) they were taxed.
JiangxiDad on February 6, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Exactly what happens to my companies corporate profits right now!

donh525 on February 6, 2010 at 11:39 AM

The headline says it all — Democrats Scramble to Draw GOP Support for Jobs Bill. The change in tactics from the we-won strategy of 2009 comes from the loss of the Massachusetts seat to Scott Brown, stripping Harry Reid of his 60-vote supermajority, which actually never produced a major bill that passed into law.

There in that statement lies the root of the problem. Congress has gauged it’s success by how much “meaningful legislation” they have passed. Enough already! There is now a law on the books against nearly everything imaginable, if there is not, there is law mandating it.

What I want is a comiittment from congress that for every law they wright from this day forward they repeal two others! Unlike pay-go rules on the deficit, we could call this give-go, as this could only result in Americans recieving greater liberties our being allowed to keep more of their own money!

Archimedes on February 6, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Maybe Judas Nelson, Bleccch Lincoln, and Evan Bye-Bayh will surprise us here…
OmahaConservative on February 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Yeah, they’ll try to throw a hail Mary touchdown in the end zone to save their political careers to try to show their constituents how much they feel their pain. Ain’t gonna’ work for Nelson.

yoda on February 6, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Brown or no Brown, keep burning the phone lines, faxes and intertubes. The one take-away from this is to keep the pressure on these people, Republican or Democrat, and let them fully understand that business as usual is over – and that we are on the warpath against “progressives.”

J.J. Sefton on February 6, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Message to senate Dems….. WE WON!!!!!

conservnut on February 6, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Comment pages: 1 2