Breitbart, Farah argue Birtherism at Tea Party convention
posted at 1:00 pm on February 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Dave Weigel has been covering the Tea Party Convention in Nashville for the Washington Independent, and earlier today walked into an unplanned but heated debate between World Net Daily’s Joseph Farah and Andrew Breitbart. Farah claimed that the Tea Party movement was partially fueled on the notion that Barack Obama isn’t really a native-born citizen of the US. When WND reporter Chelsea Schilling asked Breitbart- to comment on Farah’s speech, he criticized the attack and said the Tea Party movement would do better to focus on substance. Weigel asked Farah for a response, which led Farah to start an argument:
I told Farah that his speech was getting negative attention already, and that Breitbart, who’d taken the stage after him, had criticized the “birther” parts of the speech. Farah shook his head and walked over to Breitbart in what seemed like an attempt to debunk my question.
“Andrew is my friend,” said Farah. “He has the right to disagree, and he has the right to say anything to a socialist newspaper that he wants. And if he wants to criticize his friend to you, and he’s dumb enough to do that…”
Breitbart raised his eyebrows. “I’m dumb to do what?”
“Criticize your friend to this socialist newspaper.”
“I was talking to her,” said Breitbart, pointing to Schilling. “I was talking to you. And I was saying that I disagreed on the birther stuff.”
“OK, well, did you know that Dave Weigel from The Washington Independent was”–
“I was talking to her,” said Breitbart. “She was asking me if I thought it was was to bring it up, and I said, no. We have a lot of strong arguments to be making, and that is a primary argument. That is an argument for the primaries that did not take hold. The arguments that these people right here are making are substantive arguments. The elections in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts were all won not on birther, but on substance. And to apply to this group of people the concept that they’re all obsessed with the birth certificate, when it’s not a winning issue–”
“It is a winning issue!”
“It’s not a winning issue.”
I know Dave a little from a few meetings at events that he’s covered, and whether or not he’s “socialist” — I’d say center-left having read his work, but usually very fair — it didn’t make any difference to whom Breitbart spoke. If Breitbart was rebutting Farah’s argument, then Farah needs to address the argument, not question Breitbart’s motives in choosing Dave, which isn’t what Breitbart did. He was challenging the birth-certificate issue to Farah’s own WND reporter, and Farah leaped to an incorrect conclusion.
Moreover, Breitbart is entirely correct, and perhaps even understated the case. In the earlier exchange with Schilling, she said that her boss was asking Obama to prove something rather than disprove Birtherism, to which Breitbart responded, “When has a president ever been asked to prove his citizenship?” But in fact, Obama did do just that when he released the Certification of Live Birth in June 2008, in response to an entirely different question. That may have been the first time a Presidential candidate has ever done so, and the COLB is a document that could get Obama a passport, a driver’s license, and a Social Security number. It’s all the legal proof required. If that wasn’t enough, Obama’s political opponents found contemporaneous records of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser from August 1961.
The wins in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts over the last three months did not come from people questioning Obama’s birthplace. They resulted from grassroots opposition to the Obama-Nancy Pelosi policy agenda. Scott Brown won the seat held by the Kennedys and their cronies for almost 60 years by pushing back hard against ObamaCare and the counterterrorism policies of the White House. If anything, the continued focus on Birtherism at these rallies undercuts the mainstream nature of the opposition to the Democratic agenda and allows the media to paint it as a paranoid mob obsessed with conspiracy theories. Not only is it not a winning issue, it will hang like an albatross around the necks of conservatives who tacitly or expressly link themselves to it.
The American public rejected the birth-certificate argument in November 2008. We now have much better and more rational arguments to make against Obama and his allies in Congress. Let’s stay focused on those issues, where we have much stronger footing with a disillusioned electorate.
Update: HA commenter Knucklehead says that Carl Cameron at Fox reported a few minutes ago that other Tea Party organizations will hold a presser later today to condemn Birtherism and distance themselves from it. That sounds like a healthy decision. Also, be sure to read the rest of the exchange between Breitbart and Farah in Weigel’s article; it actually went downhill from there.
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firepilot on February 6, 2010 at 10:39 PM
If demanding we stop being politically correct in matters of national security would make us look crazy to the leftists, would you fight conservatives who insisted on national security even if they got called names for it?
Did you look at my blog? If not, look at it and tell me how any nation can survive if people are “crazy” to want the laws to be followed. If we submit to that definition of “crazy” then it is WE – not the leftists – who will have the death of this nation on their hands forever.
justincase on February 6, 2010 at 10:52 PM
Is that true? That there was an ACORN birther suit against McCain? I didn’t know that, but the notion is funny as hell and I don’t know why the Republicans wouldn’t have used it against ACORN by now if it was true, since they claim to be so against birthers. We know Obama himself is the king of the birthers for sponsoring the senate debate on McCain’s eligibility.
Buddahpundit on February 6, 2010 at 10:41 PM
Great points. The leftist’s hypocrisy and shameless projection once again on display for those with eyes to see.
tigerlily on February 6, 2010 at 10:54 PM
We should call ourselves “Nessers” ;)
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on February 6, 2010 at 10:20 PM
I like it.
tigerlily on February 6, 2010 at 10:57 PM
Maybe you did not notice, but the DNC is actually using this as an issue to paint Republicans as all being birthers. Obviously they feel no need to shy away from it.
firepilot on February 6, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Ohh the DNC is setting the argument and you want to follow their line out of fear of ridicule. I see. The DNC has not served the interests of the American people in over a generation. I don’t care what the DNC thinks or does. Let them frame the argument and give it more publicity. Let even more people see how ridiculous it is that this man is spending vast sums of money to hide his very basic records and let the American people wonder why would he do that. I HOPE the DNC tries to run with that argument.
allahallahoxenfree on February 6, 2010 at 10:25 PM
+1000 You’re burning em up without breaking a sweat,
hoxenfree.
tigerlily on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 PM
Obama is a deceiver, a dissembler
His Mom trousers are alight
From what pole or banner
Shall they dangle in the night?
What infernal serpent
Has lent him his forked tongue?
From what pit of foul deceit
Has all his hiding and all his whoppers sprung?
What red devil of mendacity
Grips his sick soul with such tenacity?
Will not one in a nation he so cruelly showers with lies
Put a court order between his empty eyes?
PercyB on February 6, 2010 at 11:09 PM
Thank you, PercyB, and to all a good night. I think. That is unless something happens here that revs up my second wind.
tigerlily on February 6, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Actually, Ed you are dead wrong. Look at the document itself. It says it is prima facie evidence. That means that it creates a presumption that the facts stated therein are true. However, a presumption can be rebutted by other compelling evidence. I have not seen any compelling evidence, but who knows with an opportunity to conduct discovery, some might be found.
I am no birther, but I do not understand the hostility towards those who want to investigate this. The true believers are deranged, but that should not put any related topic off the reservation too. Dual citizen = natural born? I don’t know. Neither do you. Give them a fair chance to establish their case.
tommylotto on February 6, 2010 at 11:26 PM
I agree with that. The ‘citizenship’ question (I hate to label it birther, just sounds cheesy) never took hold. Whether the man is authentically qualified constitutionally is irrelevant at this point. He is however unqualified professionally. THAT is what we should be focused on. Nailed it again Morrissey.
Vanbasten on February 6, 2010 at 11:30 PM
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be perilous waters
Which someone must sail
Into darkness, into danger
Into storms that rip the night
Don’t give in, don’t give up
But give thanks for the glorious fight
Are there mountains that surround us?
Are there walls that block the way?
Knock ‘em down, strip ‘em back
And forward and into the fray
When the world is saying not to
By God, you know you’ve got to march on
Never hold back your step for a moment
Look alive! Oh, your courage will grow
Yes, it’s higher and higher and into the fire we go
Into fire! Onward, ho!
PercyB on February 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM
Got a link to that? My recollection was that in an old interview when Brown was talking about Bristol Palin , Brown pointed out that Obama’s mother was only 18. The interviewer then said..”and married.” To which Brown replied, “well I don’t know about that.” And then there was that idiot Bill Hudak claiming an endorsement from Brown, which the Brown camp denied. Not exactly birther material. Or do you have some other information you’d like to share with us?
Deanna on February 6, 2010 at 11:39 PM
justincase,
I looked at your blog. It wouldn’t surprise me if obama was our first Illegal Alien President.
But to do something about it, you’d have to spend years of effort and every last ounce of political capital. Charges of “coup attempt!” and “Racism!” like you’ve never heard.
It’s fine for you to pursue it. But it is electoral suicide for us as a party or a group–just when we’re winning the argument!
I sympathize. I watched the Clintons commit crime after crime after crime. This is not the hill for us to die on. As B’rer Sun Tzu said, we need to pick our own battles in our Briar Patch.
Noel on February 6, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Liar-In-Chief’s COLB states “Date Recieved” NOT “Date Accepted” as others’ NON-FORGED COLBs say.
NightmareOnKStreet on February 6, 2010 at 11:43 PM
tommylotto on February 6, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Good points. Expanding on what you said, it is actually almost certain that Obama’s birth records in Hawaii are no longer sufficient to be prima facie evidence because they have been amended by something other than a name change or minor administrative change. More explanation at my blog at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
I have submitted my blog to Hot Air as a news tip. Neither Ed nor AP will touch it. But they have no excuse for not knowing the information that’s in there. I sent it to them before I posted any links to it here, hoping that they would pick it up. But they didn’t.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 12:11 AM
justincase, you should send your link to Texas Darlin’s blog
http://texasdarlinblog.wordpress.com
She was all over this issue and I learned a lot from her. She’s a PUMA.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on February 7, 2010 at 12:17 AM
Ooops:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com
Aslans Girl on February 7, 2010 at 12:17 AM
Noel on February 6, 2010 at 11:39 PM
I can understand what you’re saying and to be honest, I struggle over whether to believe as you do or whether to keep pursuing this.
What it comes down to for me is this: The communists have been grabbing control of our schools, universities, the sciences, media, bureaucracy, and courts. If they also get our law enforcement and military this nation is done. No amount of haggling over specific laws to pass or not will make any difference.
The Founding Fathers said that this democratic republic is ours if we can keep it. If the American people are so dumbed-down that people can look at a government overrun by the mafia and side with the mafia, then we’ve already lost. If I ever believe that my fellow countrymen have sunk to that level I will give up all political activity. Period. Because the soul of the nation would have to be dead if that were the case.
When push comes to shove the reason we have a Constitution is so that the will and/or stupidity of a simple majority can not take away the inalienable rights. The rule of law transcends who is in power. If we have to pretend that the rule of law doesn’t matter in order to be in the majority, then the lawlessness will render everything else moot.
Think about the ACORN expose’. Total evasion of the law by people our tax funds support, supposedly in the name of helping minorities vote. Out in the wide open, caught red-handed. The major media didn’t cover it but the revelations were so outrageous and damning that Congress acted to stop funding. Then a judge threw it out and all that energy spent finding out illegal activity amounted to nothing. The corruption will continue.
The point at which we know we have lost is when we are so cynical that we give up the fight. When we say nothing makes any difference anyway so why even bother with anything. That’s when our will to survive as a nation flat-lines. That is right where the mafia wants us. And we are so close to being there. Not because we can’t get laws passed or people elected, but because it doesn’t matter what laws get passed or who gets elected. The mob is still the mob and it still controls education, media, the courts, etc. Only by our saying it doesn’t matter we also consign our law enforcement, intelligence agencies, and military over to unfettered corruption.
If fighting for the rule of law is futile then everything is futile. Know what I mean?
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Well, you seem to have memorized it pretty well so it’s surprising that you didn’t provide a link to help your case.
Here’s the link that you didn’t want to provide of Brown questioning Obama’s early family history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAjCaxN-_s8&feature=player_embedded
By the way, there is good reason to question the official version of Obama’s early history because Corsi at WND proved that there couldn’t have been any nuclear family time, which makes it extremely questionable that there was ever a marriage. I don’t hold that against Obama, but I offer it as a fact for you to disprove for the purpose of defending the official story of his early childhood. Let’s just admit the lies and let the chips fall where they may.
Buddahpundit on February 7, 2010 at 12:36 AM
Amen to every god damn word!
sharrukin on February 7, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Don’t forget that John McCain’s citizenship was questioned as well. He actually had to have the Senate hold a vote on his citizenship.
JohnJ on February 7, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Shouldn’t there be some kind of follow up by now? Does someone have the link to the text of this distancing?
Buddahpundit on February 7, 2010 at 12:57 AM
some of us took an oath, before God, to defend the Constitution of the US, against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.
So, should I break my vow because some Repubs say I should not pursue this? When it is CLEARELY (IMO) a Constitutional problem?
Its like the Illegal order meme for the Military…. following an illegal order makes you lible as well for the consequences….
Romeo13 on February 7, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Results 1 – 9 of about 633,000 for hot air birthers. (0.25 seconds)
Drop the issue.
Connie on February 7, 2010 at 1:57 AM
My view on this subject is that the democrats are using it against us. Don’t you think that if “they” had the power and ability to create this huge conspiracy to hide the location of Obama’s birth, “they” could just as easily have set up a forgery to indicated his being a US Citizen?
.
What benefit is it for “them” to continue the charade, except as a tool to discredit this movement?
.
Just my 2 cents.
JeffVader on February 7, 2010 at 2:05 AM
What huge conspiracy?
Most of the information is in plain sight or hidden by legal moves we know all about. His records ARE sealed. This is not disputed.
Hawaii, Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School, Medical records, marriage licenses, Adoption records; all unreleased.
There’s no great conspiracy, just obstructionism. We saw some of the same sort of thing with John Kerry. Was that a conspiracy?
“…..the Tribune finally admitted that it was Axelrod and the Obama campaign that brought pressure on the press to demand the unsealing of M. Blair Hull divorce records, which had had their contents leaked to media outlets by the Obama campaign even earlier. The Obama campaign also helped orchestrate a demonstration by women’s groups demanding Hull’s withdrawal from the race. Coincidentally, this was the same weekend Obama’s first commercials hit the airwaves. Interestingly (or maybe not), the same exact thing happened to another of his rivals–Jack Ryan.”
These are the things we KNOW happened.
Call it what you want, but do we really need to pretend it isn’t happening, and hasn’t happened in the past?
sharrukin on February 7, 2010 at 2:26 AM
Here are a few more non winning issues of our time.
The dismantling of Social Security.
The dismantling of Medicare and Medicaid.
The the outlawing of public unions.
The outlawing of teachers unions.
The repeal of the clean air act.
The statement that Judges can and will be impeached if they make decisions based on foreign court decisions, or decisions where the constitutionality will be reviewed at a later date, because I just do not feel that now is the right time to get our country within the bounds of the constitution.
Repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments to the constitution will not likely be considered winning issues either.
Repeal of no child left behind is not likely winning.
The repeal of SCHIP.
The countless number of commerce clause expansions of federal government will not be a winning issue.
The removal of farm subsidies neither.
The tax breaks for oil companies, nope, not a winning issue.
Here is a fact. If the left does not like it, it is not a winning issue. We all think that the Tea Party is going to overcome all swill of the Progressive Media, but it will never happen if we allow them to dictate what are winning ideas and what are losers.
Here is a winning idea, forget getting Obama out of office through birtherism, but at the very same moment push to pass laws that give a transparent look into the life history of people who seek office. The higher the office, the more automatically unsealed paperwork required to qualify for the ballot. People can still vote for the person, just like I can vote for Satan Clause, but the name will never appear on official ballots unless they release the proper amount of personal history documentation. I can see that a a very winnable battle in an era where transparency is sorely needed.
Here is a winning issue statement. We will cut taxes and we will balance the budget while at the same time continuing to deliver all the same services at the same or even better quality except the ones that you do not like and we will replace those with ones that you will like. Also known as hope and change!
Yup, just let the progressive liberal media frame everything and argue under their terms. That is what the grassroots wants from our future government leaders, more of the same weak wimpy scared socially beaten worthless people who allowed our nation to fall as far as it has in our lifetimes. Reagan would be so proud of all of you, because he always knew it was never worth it to fight the media, if they said something was out of bounds, you better beleive that he dropped it fast.
astonerii on February 7, 2010 at 3:10 AM
Thanks to Ed and Andrew Breitbart for standing up for common sense. It’s NOT a winning issue and can even cause a boomerang if pushed too far. There are plenty of more substantial, winning issues we should concentrate on.
Let’s choose our battles wisely.
TedInATL on February 7, 2010 at 6:35 AM
If Obama’s a Yank, tried and true, then what does account for his divided loyalties? Let’s not get hung-up on how he got them. The problem exists.
JiangxiDad on February 7, 2010 at 7:19 AM
We don’t know it’s not a winning issue. Election 2008 proved that ignoring it is not a winning issue.
Mr Purple on February 7, 2010 at 7:34 AM
The Constitutional POTUS requirement for “natural born citizen” must NOT be discarded, whether or not it will win an election.
Of course Obama has a birth certificate. So drop the word “birther” since it was initiated to smear and distract from the Constitutional requirement that every POTUS be a natural born citizen; i.e., both parents US citizens and the baby born on legitimate US property so that the candidate is without allegiance to any other nation, certainly without citizenship to any other nation.
Casting away the prime Constitutional requirement of every candidate seeking the Presidency of the United States is wrong, foolish and stupid. Refusing to identify the point that Obama’s father was NOT an American citizen–leaving Obama NOT a natural born American citizen–simply because it is not Politically Correct and because it is not a convenient argument, that refusal to uphold the Constitution opened the way for this illegitimate man to run for office. Simply because Obama “won” the election illegitimately–financed by foreign interests, ACORN voter fraud, thugs threatening violence to intimidate voters at the polls–does NOT wipe his slate clean. Holding firm on RECORDS matters.
Basing one’s platform strictly upon what one thinks will win rather than holding to principles established by our Founding Fathers is populism vs. conservatism.
It is not necessary to either drop or focus campaign battles for Congress on the Constitutional prerequisite that every POTUS be a natural born citizen. Leaving the matter on the back burner for the moment may be a necessity. However, it is wrong to participate in the smearing of this matter as Ed and Allahpundit have consistently managed to do, promoting the word “birtherism” to pollute the specific Constitutional point at the expense of the Constitution’s validity. Whether or not it is the intent, that effectively ramps up revisionism which in turn would disqualify evidence grounding Obama’s Impeachment.
Obama should be impeached on many grounds, and evidence is on record to establish grounds on multiple issues. Far be it from a conservative to throw away Constitutional grounds because blogging and mainstream media hacks have been setting an Alinsky stage to ridicule hard liners and to lure emotional responses for public distraction to ridicule, preventing the full-fledged determination against Obama’s right to hold the office. Realists know that timing is critical. So is the record.
No critic of Obama’s ideology has a problem attacking his agenda, strategy and tactics in office. That is where the action is now. We must fight the battles that surround us. But never give up the high ground of the Constitution for revisionists to mutate.
At least leave the Constitutional matter on the back burner if you must focus all your attention elsewhere. Quit bringing it up if you find it “distasteful” or “uncomfortable”. It is not those who recognize Obama’s illegitimacy who keep rehashing the matter, but those who supposedly want to drop the matter by ERASING IT who keep rehashing the matter in order to direct the public’s frustration away from Obama and towards conservatives. And those who don’t want to address the real matter begin to hate those who won’t let go of the Constitution, though the bitter clingers of the Constitution are patient and would wait while protecting the arsenal archive for the best opportune moment to attack with the rule of law’s full force.
Meanwhile there are those who won’t carry the load, won’t preserve the record, and berate those who do.
maverick muse on February 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM
Buddahpundit on February 7, 2010 at 12:57 AM
AP and Ed cite the use of this issue in their political strategy as a reason that the issue will destroy conservatives. What they don’t mention is that the democrat plan is to use this as a WEDGE – to divide and conquer conservatives precisely because some of us think that it isn’t expedient to worry about principle.
And the sad thing is: it’s working. We’ve got people who are not going to budge from either the “winning issues” NOR the principles of the rule of law and the Constitution. But for some reason the others feel they have to attack those of us who prefer to stand on two good legs rather than cut off one to spite the other.
We can’t afford to let personalities distract us. We can’t afford to let so-called strategy distract us. Last I know, hitting somebody from TWO fronts was the reason we’re not all speaking German today.
Those who are afraid of being painted with the “crazy birther” brush – consider that the number of people who question Obama’s eligibility continues to increase EVEN THOUGH THE MAJOR MEDIA HAVE HAD THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES THREATENED IF THEY EVEN MENTION IT IN A CREDIBLE WAY. That means this spread is happening through word of mouth by people who are convinced and won’t be stopped.
And the people they speak to are being convinced. If you distance yourself from this you are actually choosing to go the wrong way in the eyes of the public in favor of swimming the same direction as the dems and media in submission to their claims that it’s the only way YOU can survive. Do you really want to do that?
Furthermore, you are playing right into the hands of the very people who want to destroy this country. The “birthers” are not fighting you. We are alongside you in every issue except this one.
The only reason this democrat strategy will work is if half of the conservatives decide that the other half has cooties and they don’t want to be embarrassed by fighting alongside them for fear they’ll get cooties too. If the rule of law, defending the Constitution, government accountability and transparency, and the need for a media that refuses to be censored by mafia threats is cooties, then I will gladly admit I’ve got them. I would be ashamed to call myself a conservative if I DIDN’T have them.
The public has those cooties. It just doesn’t know the facts which show that this is what Obama’s eligibility is about. Jeff Kuhner listened to some of the facts on Friday and did a 180-degree turn on the issue. The way we win is by stopping the argument over strategy and informing the public of the facts: This is a law enforcement issue, and if we say law enforcement is insignificant we are fools.
See http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com and follow the link at the bottom to see how Obama’s eligibility issue is a law enforcement issue.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 8:48 AM
Romeo13 on February 7, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Good point. And that’s why the people who think this is not a winning issue need to realize that the dems want one side of the conservative movement to play chicken with the other and be divided. The people who took oaths are not going to budge. Anybody who thinks that playing chicken with them is the winning strategy is not only giving up on principle but is a fool.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 8:55 AM
The American people voted in a faker in 2008 and many of them are starting to realize (as their jobs & spending power evaporate and/or their retirements vanish) so much about Zero is and remains hidden or half-answered.
Zero’s advisers and cabinet and “czars” are mostly scofflaws, tax cheats and assorted Gong Show rejects who make the Clinton administration’s freak show seem tame. The more the people realize that Zero is a fraud the more they’ll be looking for any and all details to ship him and ‘squatch back to Chicago.
viking01 on February 7, 2010 at 8:56 AM
BTW if the Old Media says something isn’t a winning issue then question their motivation in presenting such claims.
A year ago the Old Media were labeling Sarah Palin as past history. Many bought into that media dreck and still believed Zero’s Styrofoam columns were real. Several of McCain’s inept campaign advisers tried to pass the buck to her. Meanwhile Palin continues to be a rising star, the Zero Administration flinched when Palin called out the “death panels.” Yet my point isn’t so much about Palin as it is about how much the Old Media tries (lies) to say some issue or some person “can’t win” specifically because the Old Media fears such entities or persons triumphing.
viking01 on February 7, 2010 at 9:05 AM
Ed = useful idiot.
I don’t think it’s smart to make the birth an issue, but I hate when people like Ed try so hard to avoid being associated with them that they’ll lie in order to change the facts. The COLB is most certainly not evidence of being born some place. Stop saying that it is, regardless of whether or not you feel this is a political issue.
TTheoLogan on February 7, 2010 at 9:11 AM
He’s a radical progressive/Marxist. They all see the US and her allies as the problem to the world’s ills. He grew up around Marxists and radicals. That’s all he knows. His mother, his father, his grandparents; all radicals. He goes off to college and seeks them out (as noted in his autobiography).
He goes to Chicago because he already had connections in place. Valerie Jarrett’s FIL was a communist and friends with Frank Marshall Davis. Valerie Jarrett’s mother was partners with Frank Ayers; Bill Ayers’ father. You don’t jump into the Chicago political machine if you’re an outsider. Frank was the key. He put the word out to Valerie to take Barack under her wing and she was the one who introduced Barack to Bill Ayers.
You guys are focusing on his birth certificate when there are so many obvious reasons why IMO he needs to be defeated in 2012. I contend that he knows that the clock’s running on him because he said that he’d rather be a great 1 term president than a mediocre 2 term president. He knows what’s coming and can do nothing about it. But he also knows that this birther crap is tilting at windmills.
mizflame98 on February 7, 2010 at 9:32 AM
Ed: “I’d say center-left having read his work”
I thought he was libertarian, no?
Robert Bell on February 7, 2010 at 9:40 AM
I understand the differences of Mr. Breitbart and Gov. Palin on this matter. But, both have a right to their opinion, however the degree to which one point over the other has on the outcome is irrelevant and should just be shelved.
I know the legalities of citizenship and have serious concerns over the facts of President Obama’s citizenship.
Focusing on what is currently being done, by President Obama an his ideologues are doing to destroy this country is of higher concern than his citizenship. His current leadership is damaging U.S. via the credibility President Obama and his cronies have in our ability and their desire to protect this country as Constitutionally mandated.
After taking back the initiative in the ‘War on Terror’ and understanding our enemies goal, the annihilation of U.S. and what we stand for.
Only after, wining that fight conclusively, should we begin identifying those responsible for this war, their nationalities (via citizenship), and political beliefs that started the fight in the first place.
But, first and foremost let’s correctly re-identify the enemy as fundamental fanatic Islamic extremists, so we know who we are supposed to be shooting at. Secondly, let’s not forget their goal is our annihilation, the sooner the better. We must change their goal, via reducing their ability carry it out, is essential in maintaining our freedom.
So let’s stop pussy footing around the issue. Such actions resulted in a permanent stalemate in the Korean conflict and in Vietnam (an honorable mention is not winning) we did not change the World without winning WWI and WWII decisively, we must emulate the actions that enabled U.S. to win.
MSGTAS on February 7, 2010 at 9:58 AM
Don’t forget, Global Warming is settled science.
I could care less where Obama was born. I’m curious at his effort to hide any and all of his past history when others have to produce it. And the irony of it all is Obama uses other people’s so-called private information against them when it suits him. Case in point was getting the divorce particulars released in his run for office in Illinois.
Aren’t some of our so-called investigative journalists the least bit curious as to why someone would go to such lengths to block the release of information not only about their place of birth but their undergraduate and post graduate work? How else can people declare that Obama is extremely intelligent when there are no concrete facts to go on?
Haven’t many of you not been asked to produce this type of information during your life? Didn’t Bush and Kerry have to produce records from college? How else did we learn that Bush actually had better grades than Kerry?
For those who say they know what the truth is I say let them produce some concrete evidence proving it rather than just being dismissive as are the global warming advocates.
iamsaved on February 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM
I have but one question for the Birthers: was Stanley Ann Dunham, an American citizen, the mother of Barack Hussein Obama, the man elected President in 2008?
Well?
Spiny Norman on February 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM
justincase,
Yes, I do know what you mean about the rule of law. As I said, it was maddening for me to watch Hillary try to throw an innocent man in prison and for Bill to sell ICBM technology to the Chi-Comms. And to watch both of them sell pardons for votes and money.
I don’t say you should stop. Hell, who knows; you might get lucky. In fact, I think you’re already under his skin. At the Prayer breakfast, he said his faith and citizenship shouldn’t be questioned. Farah’s right about this: faith must be taken on faith, but not the facts on his certificate.
Nor is it fair to compare Birthers and Truthers.
Birthers want to see a simple document Americans must produce every day. Truthers want to see a document that proves Bush didn’t crawl up the sides of the World Trade Center like Spiderman, on the evening of Sept. 11th, dressed in black, installing dynamite on every third floor.
But…the one out of five unemployed Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about Obama’s papers. They want real solutions. We’ve got ‘em. But we’ll get sidetracked if we, as a group, focus on his technical disqualifications and not his moral and policy disqualifications.
We’re bigger than this guy.
Noel on February 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Oh please. I cannot produce a long-form birth certificate. My family lost our copy of it a long time ago. All I have is a Certificate of Live Birth, which was sufficient to obtain a passport.
Birthers and Troofers are the same breed of nutjob, and I suspect plenty of overlap between the two. CT’s tend to attract one another.
Spiny Norman on February 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM
If the LSM had reported on the Ayers connection, on the Wright connection, the Khalidi going away party tape, and so on and ignored the birth certificate, I would be more inclined to give Dear Leader the benefit of the doubt.
What I don’t get are the supposedly hardcore conservatives like Hannity and Beck and some others on the media staying away from this issue?
We have BOR insisting that only 75,000 Tea Partiers went to D.C. last year. Why? Glenn “U.S. Constitution” Beck made a big deal about the FEMA camps, and then immediately debunked them and dropped the issue. He has also made strong statements against the “Birthers”.
Hannity has seemed to lost some of that “fire” he had during the presidential election.
So, is it that they feel that they should stick to more easily proven things and that this Marxist administration will merely hang itself and be voted out of office? If so, have they said that? From what I’ve seen, they haven’t. Seems like their gut instinct is that there is nothing to the Birth issue. Would the MSNBC crowd shy away from something similar? Not that I’ve seen…and they were instrumental in getting Obama and the other radical Dems into power, so sleaze works…maybe just for them, I dunno.
I’m not willing to take this current government at face value. I don’t think we know half of what they’re up to. From time to time I consider the possibility that Fox News is actually interested in helping to spread disinformation at the worst-maybe just playing the ratings game by filling a niche. Their ability to get information seems remarkably low for a powerful news organization. What are they ignoring along with the LSM? Are they indeed part of the LSM and just throwing conservatives a few bones to make us feel informed and that someone in the media is at least doing their jobs as journalists…just a show?
Dr. ZhivBlago on February 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM
But it is. Each wants something which can never be proven to their satisfaction, no matter how much evidence for the opposing position is presented. Each paints their supporters as extremists.
Some of us are, anyway. The others fixate on little things. As Ed says in the tagline under the picture,
unclesmrgol on February 7, 2010 at 11:18 AM
On cue, a fixator on small things shows up.
unclesmrgol on February 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM
maverick muse on February 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM
Wow, I couldn’t have said it better myself!!
theaddora on February 7, 2010 at 11:24 AM
When you invite Farah to make a speech, you should expect Birtherism.
Speedwagon82 on February 7, 2010 at 11:30 AM
This is another valid point…
http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=5893
theaddora on February 7, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Birthers are not just as bad as truthers, they’re actually WORSE, at least in terms of damage to their own side. As batsh#t crazy as truthers are/were, they got a much more sympathetic hearing from the main stream media (i.e. “just asking questions”) than birthers ever have or will have.
In fact, birthers are so damaging to our side’s credibilty that I would not be at all surprised to find that a good number of them are actually astroturfers from the liberal left, of the same stripe as those who show up and scatter racist comments at right-leaning websites.
docob on February 7, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Maybe I was being too coy. I just meant that the Const. tries to disallow a leader with dual allegiances. Obama seals all his official records and past to hide his dual allegiances, and yet the questions persist. To me that means its a chink in his armor, and a legitimate place to probe, a la “I don’t think he’s born in blank, but then why the hell is he so strange and foreign?” So I’m not so focused anymore on seeing his original long-form birth certificate as I am at figuring out why he’s so un-American.
JiangxiDad on February 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Spiny Norman on February 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Short answer: We don’t know because the only (allegedly official) document anyone has ever produced on behalf of Obama is a forged COLB claiming Stanley Ann was his mother. We know his birth certificate has been amended but we can’t know for absolute sure which item was amended. It could be his mother, father, or any other thing claimed on it. Whether it’s been amended to match the forgeries that were made on the Factcheck COLB we don’t know. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
Many of the claims Obama has made in his book have been proven wrong by school and residence records available to the public. So we have no idea what all he has lied about.
So what do YOU know for sure about Obama, and on the basis of what evidence?
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Dr. ZhivBlago on February 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Fox and all other major media outlets were twice threatened by Obama’s lawyers that if they mentioned Obama’s eligibility problem they would be annihilated via “diversity requirements”. It’s Al Capone all over again. See http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373
It’s the same modus operandi Obama’s thugs used on the Chrysler lawyers, Gerald Walpin, etc. Glenn Beck mocks us because he’s got little kids and doesn’t want them getting shot at like Lou Dobbs claims his house was shot at. What these guys say on TV is tantamount to videotaped US soldiers saying they have been treated well, shown by Al Qaeda. The public knows what’s going on and they look at other clues, besides the words, to find out what’s really going on.
This is a law enforcement issue, and if people were only made aware of the facts they would absolutely be with us. The only way Obama can win on this issue where there’s already been extortion involved and corroborated by multiple involved sources… is to silence it. He’s holding the media hostage.
Ed is employed by Michelle Malkin, who is employed by Fox, who was told they would be annihilated if they reported on this. I am confident that this is why Ed – who is normally so right on – is saying what he is.
So why would Obama go to such extremes on this one issue, when he’s allowed Hannity and Beck to do expose’s on “the issues”? Well…. take a look at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/ and then help me reveal this information to the public. That is what Obama is deadly afraid of – why he has committed extortion against the media.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Can’t wait to see the firestorm this article ignites. But just for the record, I think AB is right and the BC issue won’t win elections.
In contravention with the author, a Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate. It is exacly what it says the baby was not still-born. No-one is contesting whether Obama is indeed alive, COLB’s were in place for the gathering of statistics relating to the common practice in Hawaii of mid-wifing amonst the indigenous and a carry over from Brittish rule.
Furthermore, for this reason and babies not always arriving predictably, COLB’s can be attained retoactively. One can see where a can of worms might be opened should this be delved into thoroughly. Hence one of numerous causes of the “birther” issue.
Now to seetle in and start reading the thread from the begining!
Archimedes on February 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Jeff Kuhner can have a 3-hour radio show on this subject because he only signs contracts which allow him total control of what is on his show. He said that on the radio show about this subject on Friday. Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, Malkin, etc – all the Fox people – don’t have that luxury.
Watch closely. Follow the money. You’ll see that what I’m saying pans out. Rush is independent. He’s waiting for somebody else to out the story first so the story is unimpeachable, but he’s made comments showing openness to the issue, and the grapevine is saying that he is bankrolling Leo Donofrio’s Quo Warranto suit. Just rumor on that, but Rush is not calling the “birthers” crazy.
Nor is Michael Savage – another independent voice.
The people who initially did the mocking were people who are not independent voices. They are being told what to say. Then – after the mocking makes the general public think that “birthers” are crazy – you get independent people like Andrew Breitbart arguing not so much against the evidence or importance of the issue, but arguing EXPEDIENCE. Saying that with the narrative already in place, it’s a losing issue even if it’s important and valid.
It’s the same reason people say Sarah Palin doesn’t have a chance. If the media is gonna do such crap and most people are too stupid to figure out the truth, it’s not a good battle to choose.
But at some point we HAVE to choose the battle of confronting a corrupt government and media that are intent on destroying America. (I’d also add education, arts, sciences, etc at this point as well). Until we get to the crux of the problem – the inherent dishonesty of the media that most people consider credible – we’re just swatting at gnats.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM
One last thing. I don’t consider Andrew Breitbart the enemy. He wants to expose the same kind of crap as I’m trying to expose. He’s just afraid of exposing this one because Obama’s threats have already poisoned public opinion against it. It would be a terrible mistake to throw Andrew Breitbart, Glenn Beck, or others fighting the fight on the issues under the bus.
That is what Obama wants us to do. It’s the only thing left that he CAN do to try to avert what he knows is a fatal tide of new information regarding the illegal cover-up he and his people have engaged in.
We mustn’t be divided and conquered like this. God bless Glenn Beck for what he is exposing. God bless Andrew Breitbart for what he is exposing. But I will not let Obama’s threats stop me from exposing also what I know – and what I am confident that the free people of the United States would rise up against if they were only allowed to know it.
Massachusetts – for heaven’s sake, Massachusetts! – saw the backroom deals, rule-breaking, and broken promises done by the politicians on healthcare, and DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS rejected Chicago politics.
There is no reason in the world for us to be afraid of this issue if we get the facts out there where honest people can see the slime their government and media have engaged in.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM
I wear the Birther title as proudly as the Teabagger title. A vicious smear created by the left and quickly adopted by gutless RINOs to deride and destroy the righteous uprising of citizens. Every time I hear it I know I’m headed in the right direction. A reminder of the left’s fear and misery. But truth and justice will fear no slurs. And every time Ed or AP use it they sit in the same camp as Olbermann and Maddow. That’s a bad company to be in. To all those on this thread fighting for a release of Obama’s records I say soldier on. Your path is the righteous one. And justice will prevail if we endure the long road ahead.
chicagojedi on February 7, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Give it up. Soon Limbaugh and Savage and Donofrio and you will be cast on the dust bin of history along with the likes of Galileo and Magellan.
MB4 on February 7, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Oh please. I cannot produce a long-form birth certificate. My family lost our copy of it a long time ago. All I have is a Certificate of Live Birth, which was sufficient to obtain a passport.Birthers and Troofers are the same breed of nutjob, and I suspect plenty of overlap between the two. CT’s tend to attract one another.
Spiny Norman on February 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Yep. I also lost my original certificate. One of my kid’s original had the last name spelled wrong. The COLB had it corrected. Does this mean that neither of us can be President?
Deanna on February 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Oops, I meant to quote not strike. Sorry Norman.
Deanna on February 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Deanna on February 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Typing errors are “minor administrative errors” and don’t impact the prima facie status of the certificate. In Hawaii there’s no fee for an error which is not your fault.
So if that was the amendment that was noted on your birth certificate there would be no reason to forge a certificate without note of that amendment. You would be eligible for the same thing as if that typo had not happened.
We’re not talking about a typo here.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM
So you think that comment..”I don’t know” is enough to make him birther? There is no case other than in your head. Oh, and actually I do have a very good memory.
Deanna on February 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM
You need to improve your comprehension skills. I never said there was an amendment on my birth certificate. Mine is lost. And there was no amendment noted on my kid’s. The spelling was simply changed on the COLB. When he went into the service we obtained a second COLB and the spelling was wrong again. We gave the Navy the first corrected one and we got still another COLB with the spelling correct. But again, no notation of an amendment. See, the problem is you’re talking about low level administrative workers who often circumvent things to make their lives easier. Not out of malice or fraud but out of pure laziness.
Deanna on February 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM
At least he didn’t bring up the nude photos of Obama’s mom.
ray on February 7, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I already told you why he’s so un-American. Marxist radicals are un-American by nature. But I have to ask, how do you know if he’s hiding a dual allegiance in sealed documents if they are sealed?
mizflame98 on February 7, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Breitbart & Morrisey are both wrong. Pathetic when all the information on this is uncontested and in the public arena. The COLB is a red herring and place of birth itself is irrelevant.
The entire issue is disposed of by virtue of 0 being born with dual citizenship and potentially having other citizenships as well.
Whether or not the courts will acknowledge the obvious meaning of Natural Born Citizen is a completely separate situation. The founders would be appalled and this is yet another reason why a “living breathing constitution” is anathema to freedom and liberty.
America1st on February 7, 2010 at 3:31 PM
mizflame
His dual allegiances were present from the moment of his birth. Unless his father is not Barack Sr. (which very well may be and this all could be a deliberate trap)
If his father is Barack Sr. he is a dual citizen and is not eligible to hold the office of president. He can do just about anything else but he should not be able to be president under our Constitution.
America1st on February 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Deanna on February 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Obama’s was amended, and it wasn’t a minor administrative amendment because he was charged for it.
If your question was whether you (or in your case, your child) could be disqualified because somebody misspelled the name on a birth certificate, the answer is no. Whether it is noted as an amendment or not, a minor administrative error which is corrected does not impact the prima facie evidentiary value of the document so those changes have no impact on your eligibility for anything.
Obama’s original birth certificate has note of an amendment, and the DOH admitted that he was charged a fee for it. That kind of amendment means that his certificate is not considered prima facie evidence any more. It has NO evidentiary value at all until it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative body or person (such as a judge) – and then it only has as much value as the judge finds is warranted based on the quality of the evidence offered in support of the facts alleged.
Does that impact Obama’s eligibility? No. But it means that in order to prove his eligibility he HAS to present as evidence the actual birth documents – including supporting evidence – before a judge or some other judicial or administrative official.
The officials I have been working with are definitely fallible – just like I am. But they have engaged in systematic obfuscation and falsehood, as well as refusing to follow their own rules and the law even after having it shown that they must. This isn’t just laziness, inaccuracy, or CYA on their part. They are committing crimes in order to cover OBAMA’s a$$.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 3:51 PM
Deanna, you may have lost your original birth certificate but that doesn’t mean your original birth certificate isn’t available. You could order a copy for a small fee.
And so could Obama.
justincase on February 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM
This is great info and deserves more attention. Citizen Wells at http://citizenwells.wordpress.com covers the eligibility issue in depth and I haven’t seen this discussed over there.
Cara C on February 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM
Yeah, that’s it. His father conspired about this 50 years ago when there was no bleeding possible chance anybody ever though there would be a black POTUS.
OK, let’s say you’re right. What are you going to do about it other than post blog comments?
(cue Jeopardy theme-music)
hint: Nobody has been able to answer that question.
The Race Card on February 7, 2010 at 5:08 PM
Spiny Norman, please do keep up; “birthers” do not and have not denied that Stanley Ann Dunham was a US cit. at the time of O’s birth. But to be a “Natural Born Citizen”, one needs both parents to be so.
The only time “birthers” mention Dunham’s citizenship is when we’re told that if he was born in Kenya, her status would be conferred to him (ignoring the fact that his father was a Brit/Kenyan cit) which isn’t true b/c she was not old enough. The law states that the mother has to have lived in the US for 19 months after turning 18 (or something like that, I can’t remember the exact number of months), which Dunham didn’t. Of course many “birthers”, myself included, don’t care if he was born in the Oval Office itself — without a US cit father, O is not natural-born.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on February 7, 2010 at 5:48 PM
So sad
So Sad
So Sad
No Freedom in America
No Freedom what so ever
Obama is King and off with our heads if we Dare question how he got there.
Gleen Beck no Freedom of Speech.
Ed Morrissey no Freedom of Speech.
Both forced to lie for the King. Forced to accept a phony document and two stupid newspaper clipings for the most important job in the world. When anyone with an IQ above a corpse (man?) knows that would not get you in preschool. Hey maybe Pre-School is why Stanley made sure Barack had a Birth Certificate in America. Their lies are so transparent.
McCain was forced to prove to the Senate he was Natural Born Citizen. But how dare anyone ask his Oneness to do the same.
Barry Soterro (his oneness)attended school in Indonesia for years a country that allowed only Indonesians to attend schools and required even Catholic Schools to teach Muslims like Barry two hours of Islam per day or face 10 years in prison. First year in a Muslim only school (Magrassa?). While in college he used his Indonesian citizenship/Passport to get a Visa to visit the most radical area of Pakistan (no Americans allowed by new Dictator there).
No freedom to question this.
Not on a blog
Not on TV
Not in the Senate
Not in the House
Not in the Courts No Standing (means they for no reason refuse to hear it)
Not at school
Not in a News Conference
Freedom. How dare we want Freedom in Obamaland.
Steveangell on February 7, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Well, to my mind, this is a country where what you have done matters a great deal more than who your parents were, and frankly, the current administration has done more than enough for who his daddy is to be a mostly spurious debate.
Or to put it another way, if he hadn’t turned out to be a leftist ideologue, would anyone really care about the birth certificate?
Voyager
Voyager on February 7, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Having Tancredo speak there was a mistake, too.
crosspatch on February 7, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Well they sure cared about McCain.
The Senate forced him to prove he was Natural Born. Then refused to even ask Obama for a Birth Certificate.
What a sad cometary on America. We should only care about the Constitution if some one offends us.
I am highly offended that Obama tried to let alone became President in complete contempt and totally at odds with the Constitution. Just as I would be upset with any one that tried to circumvent the Constitution a document I and the founders held/hold sacred.
I hold huge contempt for McCain (and Bush) for his circumvention of the Constitution with his McCain Finegold Campaign Finance Reform (Incumbent Safety Act). It is totally not allowed by the Constitution and has been ruled such several times now. Bush also pushed for the un-Constitutional TARP Bailout.
The Tea Party people will not give the RNC a lifeline for people like McCain or Bush or many other RINO’s. I believe McCain will lose his seat as well because of the Tea Party movement as will many Republicans that diss the Constitution. Difference is almost all Democrats Diss the Constitution.
Steveangell on February 7, 2010 at 7:00 PM
I agree with Briebart. The birther thing should be pursued by the fringe quietly and there should be no talk of it every again until Orley and the rest of them get 100% solid proof.
I don’t think they will EVER get it.
Breibart by the way was excellent the whole conference. I got to shake his hand and discuss the part of the “GenerationZero” movie that went into the detail of the financial meltdown. It was by far the best explanation I have ever seen and is in language most Americans can understand.
The part about how the federal government allowing EXTREME leverage in the derivatives and other investment markets was incredible. I had no idea that THAT was being allowed by the government. 30 times debt to equity on some of these deals. That is …..
HYPER-LEVERAGE
We are here because of big government taking all the moral hazard out of business moves and investing moves.
Nailed it perfectly and I recommend that movie to all Americans.
Sapwolf on February 7, 2010 at 8:15 PM
Here’s some new information – haven’t even added it to my blog yet.
According to http://uspolitics.about.com/od/senators/a/barack_obama.htm , Axelrod started videotaping Obama in 2003 for footage that he later used in Obama’s January 16, 2007 announcement that he would run for the presidency.
According to the UIPA responses received by Terri K and myself and the retention schedules for receipts, Obama’s amendment happened sometime between September of 2006 and January of 2007, since those records are to be retained for 3 years and receipts for fees to amend Obama’s vital records were denied to Terri K in September of 2006 and no longer existed when I requested them in January of 2010.
IOW, the DOH has revealed that in the last 6 months before Obama announced his run for the presidency he amended his birth record in Hawaii. That amendment was before the Factcheck COLB was printed in June of 2007 so if that COLB was legitimate it would definitely have had note of the amendment. So the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s are definitely forgeries and not just a COLB printed before the amendment was made.
Again, my conclusions are entirely based upon what the Hawaii Department of Health has stated in official responses to official UIPA requests and the laws, rules, and regulations which govern the records and statements they have made. If we take Hawaii at its word this is the natural conclusion we would make.
The mismatched certificate number and filing date confirms this also.
I haven’t checked this out yet, but the documentary requirements to amend a birth certificate 45 years after the birth would be hard to come by. What kind of evidence would be sufficient to prove that a record in existence for 45 years and never corrected before had been wrong all along? What would a person legitimately correct 45 years after the birth – after having used that birth certificate for 45 years whenever documentation was needed and never challenging the facts contained on it?
justincase on February 8, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Cara C on February 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM
Thank you. I think it definitely deserves a hearing, since these are the statements straight from the DOH with interpretation according to the laws, rules, and regulations the DOH is bound by.
At this point all I know to do in order to get the word out is word of mouth. The media doesn’t want to touch it. I think if the information is gonna get out there it’s gonna happen through Tweets, Twitters, Facebook, and all that other stuff that I don’t really even know how to do. That’s where the people who see what’s going on can play an absolutely vital role.
Also, does anybody know how to add hyperlinks to a WordPress blog post? I want to edit the post at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/ to include links to articles about several new pieces of information but don’t see any way to do it.
justincase on February 8, 2010 at 12:26 AM
Thank you, Andrew Breitbart.
No thank you, World Net Daily, for encouraging the conspiracy contingent in a sales effort that rivals the HSN.
No thank you, justincase, blog pimper extraordinaire.
It’s the economy, stupid. And freedom, and the growth and intrusion of government into that freedom.
Nichevo on February 8, 2010 at 12:55 AM
Even if you are committed to the birth certificate issue, it’s best to let it go. There are better strategic points to put up a stand. As Churchill said (paraphrasing), if you try to fight everywhere, you will have victory nowhere.
ObjectionSustained on February 8, 2010 at 12:57 AM
They seem to take their orders on this from Obama.
Just Google Obama in Advanced for news prior to 2006. It has been completely scrubbed. It is just unbelievable how little freedom we have in Amerika. I mean how is it Obama can get all news Articles about him scrubbed.
Just accept that COLB in cyberspace. Again try to register your child in preschool with that. He has offered no proof what so ever. Furthermore he ran Fact Check’s parent Anneberg so they are hardly a reliable check on him.
How can anyone think he could legally be President when he was an Indonesian citizen in grade school. Had he been a Natural Born citizen he still lost that when Mr Soterro adopted him making him an Indonesian Citizen. This is really not disputable. He claims he attended school there there are records of him there and they build a statue of him there. The law required he be a citizen to attend school there his mothers Divorce Decree mentions Barry as involved in the Divorce proving he was adopted.
The biggest lie of all is his mother would have not cared to get a Hawaii COLB for him unless she was planing for him to be president. NO. Every American mother wants their child to have a COLB so they can attend school. When some one spouts nonsense like that you know very well they are lying through their teeth trying to cover something up.
Maybe justincase has lied worse. Obama must release the records. Privacy laws only allow him to do it or a Court. But so far the Courts have refused to uphold the Constitution and illegally kept the case from ever proceeding to the point of discovery (forcing Obama to release his records). But no amount of proof would ever be enough for liars like justincase.
Steveangell on February 8, 2010 at 1:09 AM
I hope I’m correct in understanding the “liars like justincase” comment was sarcastic.
justincase on February 8, 2010 at 1:37 AM
While it’s a legitimate subject to keep exploring, it’s not going to have truck with the voting public this election cycle, and probably not in the next. Therefore, it’s best not to insist it be any kind of plank in any party effort.
Nevertheless, this issue will never die, and must at some future date be resolved. Anyone who ignores the fact that Obama does not meet lawful requirements (based on the other Natural Born Citizen criteria–not so much on his birth certificate) is either kidding himself, lying to misdirect others, or is too ignorant to know the difference.
If we ever lose the ability or the right to discuss this issue, the truth of Obama’s origins may by that fact become self-evident. But even then we’ll have only a pyrrhic victory on this score, and it may because we didn’t focus on the more provable case against the marxist statist intentions of Barack Hussein Obama. And that is no theory.
Western_Civ on February 8, 2010 at 1:51 AM
Prove it.
I think this one one of those things that birthers convince each other of, but is not true, just like the rest of the nonsense like the mythical travel ban to Pakistan, that was not true either.
firepilot on February 8, 2010 at 3:00 AM
Thanks, justincase, for the links. “Blog-pimp” all you want!
firepilot, you do remember the whole “John-McCain-prove-your-citizenship” thing in Congress a couple of years ago, right? It was hard to miss…
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on February 8, 2010 at 3:10 AM
YOU drop being a control freak who selfishly dictates to others what they should and shouldn’t be interested in because of your pathetic anxiety.
I am not a Birther, but I find Anti-Birthers to be immeasurably more annoying than those they label “Birthers”. Anti-Birthers are like those who angrily blame others who didn’t vote for McCain for giving us 0bamessiah.
I don’t much like people who pressure others to end debate and stop asking questions about topics they haven’t personally approved to be worthy of curiosity. Who does that sound like? Such people should be kept at arm’s length and ignored.
Bizarro No. 1 on February 8, 2010 at 6:22 AM
The birther issue is a winning issue…for the Democrats.
Decider on February 8, 2010 at 9:15 AM
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/11/12/eric-cartman-is-simply-asking-questions-glenn-beck-style/
Decider on February 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM
We have never asked a president for proof before because their history could be traced. Obama provides NOTHING! Where is his childhood home? He has not told us. His father WAS NOT a US citizen which gives him atuomatically duel citizenship. No other president grew up in a foreign, muslim country! No other president has spent millions COVERING UP his history, college records, grades, friends, and has no traceable papers though they say they were the president of the Harvard Law Review. Where is his college thesis? Everyone says he is so smart, what was his SAT, LSTAT scores? What is his IQ? Where are the pictures of his house? What hospital was he born in? Where is the apartment he and his father and mother lived in?
How did he get into paaakistaan as he says with an American passport, when we could not travel there then? It was a British coloney and his father a citizen which makes him a duel British/American citizen. When did he renounce his British citizenship? If he did not, he still is and therefore is NOT natural born. He is not natural born because his father WAS NOT a citizen.
Why could I call the Hawaiian hewspaper and place a birth announcement for anyone I want to? His mother and grandmother placed the announcement because he WAS NOT a citizen and they had to establish his birth in order to receive benefits for him. How did his mother arrive in Washington state to registar for and start school only a few weeks after Obama was born? How was that possible in those days when there were no flights from Hawaii to the mainland.
Why is it proven that his father lived by himself in an apartment close to his school and not with them?
If he was legally Sortero, how did his name become Obama and how is that a legal name and not an alias? Why has the Illinois bar never prosecuted him for lying on his paperwork that he used no other names when he clearly has at least 3 names he has used? What is his name? How is a natural born citizen named Barry Sortero now Barrak Obama and that is legal?
patriotparty1 on February 8, 2010 at 9:41 AM
When you convert to Islam you get an Islamic name Barrak Hussian Obama is his Muslim name. It is legal. I say we shut up about where he was born, and let the Democrats make it an issue. Its a Democratic political dirty trick to confuse the issues. I have concluded its a red herring to distract us from the real issues. Any way I don’t think we want to go down that road, because it will led to civil war. The reason he won’t show his school records is that he is stupid, and school records are proof of that. We can win on other issues. Later when we are in power we can have an investigation.
Ed Laskie on February 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM
I remember Congress quickly writing a law to take any ambiguity out of it, and to ensure that he would be eligible. Sorry, but this birther allegation that there was this big challenge in the Senate where Jchn McCain had to prove himself, is again utterly false.
So how are we supposed to take you birthers seriously, when you all make up things like John McCain having to prove his citizenship, or the non-existent Pakistan travel ban, or that his mom could renounce his citizenship, or that a foriegn country canceled his US citizenship, all of those are completely not true.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/02/29/obama_backs_law_to_ensure_mcca.html
“The McCaskill bill, submitted immediately after she scrawled it onto a notepad on the Senate floor in response to the Times story, would establish the eligibility of anyone born to a U.S. citizen who is serving overseas as an active or reserve member of the U.S. armed forces. The Arizona senator’s father was a Navy officer serving in the Canal Zone when McCain was born there in 1936.
“Senator McCain has earned the right to be his party’s nominee, and no loophole should prevent him from competing in this campaign,” Obama said.”
firepilot on February 8, 2010 at 11:15 AM
See above. we have the mythical, but untrue Pakistan travel ban, we have someone now claiming Pakistan was a British colony at that time too, but that ended in 1947, and a claim that Barack is now a British citizen too. Thats a new one. I thought Barack had Kenyan citizenship, or was it Indonesian too.
firepilot on February 8, 2010 at 11:20 AM
He was born in the
QueensKapiolani… all right, I give up.My two leading theories – call them “Birther” if you must:
1. He was the first documented case of Multiple Live Births, born in two Honolulu hospitals at once (though if this is true they’ve gone to great lengths to hush this up);
2. He, being the One, was born in a manger.
This manger would have been located somewhere within the city limits of Honolulu, being that that’s what city is listed on his COLB.
As stated in the link I had been leaning toward #1 in the past, but now — given the lack of corroborating witnesses at either hospital who saw either the baby Barry or his mother on or around August 4th 1961 — I am inclined to say he was mid-wifed at an undisclosed location.
Undisclosed presumably because the itinerant innkeepers who lent the Obamas the use of their manger knew he was the One, knew that one day throngs and flocks would seek out his birthplace, and did not want their property turned into a cheap tourist attraction.
There’s also a third option which I didn’t present above, since it’s a bit Heisen-buggy:
3. A random number generator tied to a coin-toss picking his birth location from the hospital pair (Queens, Kapiolani). With no guarantees that as you try to narrow it down you can actually pinpoint the location.
RD on February 8, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Nice, relevant response!
How do you like the direction your Messiah’s approval numbers are moving, btw? Heckuva of job there, 0bama! It’s a shame all those Independents, who once supported him but now are fleeing from him, have turned out to be such racists, eh?
I know this will be very easy to for a genius like you to understand, but being interested in why so much of 0bamessiah’s past is obscured the way it is isn’t fringe. But, even then, I realize your side wisely concerns itself with much more important topics like Palin’s tanning bed instead, and properly disregards relatively unimportant ones like near-Vice President Edward’s personal drama. You know, the guy you believed was somehow qualified for Pres, while Palin isn’t. Scooped by the National Enquirer? LOL
You guys are great! Please, continue!
Bizarro No. 1 on February 8, 2010 at 7:09 PM
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