Breitbart, Farah argue Birtherism at Tea Party convention

posted at 1:00 pm on February 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Dave Weigel has been covering the Tea Party Convention in Nashville for the Washington Independent, and earlier today walked into an unplanned but heated debate between World Net Daily’s Joseph Farah and Andrew Breitbart.  Farah claimed that the Tea Party movement was partially fueled on the notion that Barack Obama isn’t really a native-born citizen of the US.  When WND reporter Chelsea Schilling asked Breitbart- to comment on Farah’s speech, he criticized the attack and said the Tea Party movement would do better to focus on substance.  Weigel asked Farah for a response, which led Farah to start an argument:

I told Farah that his speech was getting negative attention already, and that Breitbart, who’d taken the stage after him, had criticized the “birther” parts of the speech. Farah shook his head and walked over to Breitbart in what seemed like an attempt to debunk my question.

“Andrew is my friend,” said Farah. “He has the right to disagree, and he has the right to say anything to a socialist newspaper that he wants. And if he wants to criticize his friend to you, and he’s dumb enough to do that…”

Breitbart raised his eyebrows. “I’m dumb to do what?”

“Criticize your friend to this socialist newspaper.”

“I was talking to her,” said Breitbart, pointing to Schilling. “I was talking to you. And I was saying that I disagreed on the birther stuff.”

“OK, well, did you know that Dave Weigel from The Washington Independent was”–

“I was talking to her,” said Breitbart. “She was asking me if I thought it was was to bring it up, and I said, no. We have a lot of strong arguments to be making, and that is a primary argument. That is an argument for the primaries that did not take hold. The arguments that these people right here are making are substantive arguments. The elections in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts were all won not on birther, but on substance. And to apply to this group of people the concept that they’re all obsessed with the birth certificate, when it’s not a winning issue–”

“It is a winning issue!”

“It’s not a winning issue.”

I know Dave a little from a few meetings at events that he’s covered, and whether or not he’s “socialist” — I’d say center-left having read his work, but usually very fair — it didn’t make any difference to whom Breitbart spoke.  If Breitbart was rebutting Farah’s argument, then Farah needs to address the argument, not question Breitbart’s motives in choosing Dave, which isn’t what Breitbart did.  He was challenging the birth-certificate issue to Farah’s own WND reporter, and Farah leaped to an incorrect conclusion.

Moreover, Breitbart is entirely correct, and perhaps even understated the case.  In the earlier exchange with Schilling, she said that her boss was asking Obama to prove something rather than disprove Birtherism, to which Breitbart responded, “When has a president ever been asked to prove his citizenship?”  But in fact, Obama did do just that when he released the Certification of Live Birth in June 2008, in response to an entirely different question.  That may have been the first time a Presidential candidate has ever done so, and the COLB is a document that could get Obama a passport, a driver’s license, and a Social Security number.  It’s all the legal proof required.  If that wasn’t enough, Obama’s political opponents found contemporaneous records of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser from August 1961.

The wins in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts over the last three months did not come from people questioning Obama’s birthplace.  They resulted from grassroots opposition to the Obama-Nancy Pelosi policy agenda.  Scott Brown won the seat held by the Kennedys and their cronies for almost 60 years by pushing back hard against ObamaCare and the counterterrorism policies of the White House.  If anything, the continued focus on Birtherism at these rallies undercuts the mainstream nature of the opposition to the Democratic agenda and allows the media to paint it as a paranoid mob obsessed with conspiracy theories.  Not only is it not a winning issue, it will hang like an albatross around the necks of conservatives who tacitly or expressly link themselves to it.

The American public rejected the birth-certificate argument in November 2008.  We now have much better and more rational arguments to make against Obama and his allies in Congress.  Let’s stay focused on those issues, where we have much stronger footing with a disillusioned electorate.

Update: HA commenter Knucklehead says that Carl Cameron at Fox reported a few minutes ago that other Tea Party organizations will hold a presser later today to condemn Birtherism and distance themselves from it.  That sounds like a healthy decision.  Also, be sure to read the rest of the exchange between Breitbart and Farah in Weigel’s article; it actually went downhill from there.

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“It is a winning issue!”

Ugh. What an idiot.

forest on February 6, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Farah is a monomaniacal whack job. What the hell is he doing there?

katy the mean old lady on February 6, 2010 at 1:07 PM

I say we get Excitable Andy Sullivan into the argument. He’s an expert on “birthing.”

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 1:07 PM

I am more interested in his College grades. What’s to hide?

CWforFreedom on February 6, 2010 at 1:07 PM

I’m with Breitbart on this one.

Policy substance will sustain the conservative movement.

“Nature abhors a vacuum” and the “birth place questions” opens a vacuum for 65% of American, in my opinion, and allows progressives to fill that vacuum.

Conservative substance needs to be taught and put into policy for the betterment of Americans.

Branch Rickey on February 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM

One of the London papers had an article highlighting the nuttiness of some of the convention attendees, and the merchandising hucksters.

So it looks like the principles who attend need to do a better job of vetting the organizers, and the organizers need to do a better job of vetting the participants.

Skandia Recluse on February 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM

It may not be a political “winning issue”, but it is a real, genuine concern of people who have a right to know that the constitution is being followed.

Join the conservative open forum conversation, and see what President Bush has to say on the subject, at It’s About Freedom.

IronDioPriest on February 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM

This is why I tend to cross-check WND about as critically as I cross-check DailyKOS.

unclesmrgol on February 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I think that as a stand-alone issue, the birth certificate is not interesting to the “undecided” voter either way.

If they packaged it as part of the unprecedented coverup of 0bama’s pre-presidential life: his status RE duel citizenship, school transcripts, health records, state senate records, and many other records – for the most “transparent” president ever, he has the most opaque past of any president in history.

Property presented, that could cut into his still rather high personal popularity, just going on the birth certificate simply isn’t going to get anywhere.

Rebar on February 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I’m listening to Fox right now and Carl Cameron is reporting that the other Tea Party organizations are going to hold a press conference in a couple hours to denounce this birther crap and the Farah speech.

Pass the popcorn.

Knucklehead on February 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM

The birther issue is the wedge issue that the Progressives have chosen to diminish the Tea Party movement.

d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:11 PM

opens a vacuum for 65% of American

FIFM

Branch Rickey on February 6, 2010 at 1:11 PM

PBHO didn’t get grades, he was so brilliant that mere A’s just wouldn’t suffice, therefore no need to see the transcripts.

Bishop on February 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Knucklehead

I just saw that

I’m so sick of these tea partiers dressing up like revolutionaries

This tea party movement will crash and burn and e gone by 2011

blatantblue on February 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

My feeling is that even if you believe that the citizenship issue disqualifies Obama, why not fold your belief and determination to defeat him into the larger, more sensible and saleable line of attack, one we know actually works.

rrpjr on February 6, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Farah is an embarrassment, as is everyone at WND.

jgapinoy on February 6, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Not only is it not a winning issue, it will hang like an albatross around the necks of conservatives who tacitly or expressly link themselves to it.

No joke. I wish people would shut up about this birther crap. Even if it is true (which it is not), at this point it does a lot of harm and NO GOOD. It’s a LOSER. It shrieks “CRACKPOT”!

Anyone who promotes this theory, whether they believe it is true or not, is harming conservatives.

jaime on February 6, 2010 at 1:15 PM

The Constitutional Eligibility Issue is a perfectly legitimate one. Period. It hurts no one who raises it.

neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Whether the birther issue is legitimate or not, it has proven to have little traction. Neither side will ever produce a document to silence the other side.

The best approach is to side-line this issue and focus on Obama’s Marxist policies.

Disturb the Universe on February 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Farah is a joke. Having people talking about birtherism crap just takes away a bit from the point of the conference. Lets just hope Palin’s speech is so grand tonight that it shuts up all this other talk about this guy’s speech.

ousoonerfan15 on February 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM

The birther issue is the wedge issue that the Progressives have chosen to diminish the Tea Party movement.

d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Exactly. They are going to be waving that stink rag everywhere and hang it on as many people as possible.
They will also have fake tea party people pushing it at rallies and getting the MSM to cover them.

Drop it.
Please stop taking the bait.

Itchee Dryback on February 6, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Anyone who promotes this theory, whether they believe it is true or not, is harming conservatives.

jaime on February 6, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Proof?

Can you name one person who would have voted conservative, but didn’t due to some folks wanting to see 0bama’s original documentation – the same documentation that every American voter has had to produce numerous times for far more trivial reasons?

Rebar on February 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

I honestly don’t know where Obama was born, but I do think the birthers are being used by him.

The governor of Hawaii said that they have his official BC on record.

He could stop all the speculation with one signature authorizing her to publicize it.

He won’t because he knows the birthers are a political tool he can use to discredit all the tea party activists and the conservatives.

It’s a losing issue for us.

Jvette on February 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Maybe if Obama acted like the President of this country it would end.

CWforFreedom on February 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

I have always been suspicious of Obama’s heritage just because it is so hard to accept that a person with such ruinous policies and contempt for traditional values could be elected president. The birth certificate issue will always be a dividing not uniting issue. The tea parties will distance themselves from republicans double time if we make it a basis or prerequisite for supporting our agenda.

fourdeucer on February 6, 2010 at 1:23 PM

I’d rather talk about Soetoro’s “Lost Years” at Columbia and Harvard. Where are his classmates?

Ricohoc on February 6, 2010 at 1:24 PM

I know Dave a little from a few meetings at events that he’s covered, and whether or not he’s “socialist” — I’d say center-left having read his work, but usually very fair —

He used to work for Reason… but his news outlet is BS… it’s an activist organization not unlike media matters… in fact they used to share office space…

ninjapirate on February 6, 2010 at 1:24 PM

I’m glad I’m not at this thing.

terryannonline on February 6, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Breitbart’s warning to the LSM at the Tea Party Convention:

“If you don’t start reporting the truth I will organize a protest in New York City on Madison Avenue and you won’t be able to escape to the Hamptons for the weekend.”

d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Breitbart to the LSM:

“It’s not your business model that sucks, it’s you that sucks.”

d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Why is it we know hardly anything about this man’s school years? Where are his old friends? Where are his former loves? Where are his former pushers? Where the heck are his transcripts? his thesis? Is there a real connection with Soros? Will somebody out there do some real journalism instead of just kissing this man’s —?

kingsjester on February 6, 2010 at 1:28 PM

The birther issue is the wedge issue that the Progressives have chosen to diminish the Tea Party movement.

d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:11 PM

They can drive that wedge all they want. All it will do is splinter off the cancerous portions and allow it to grow more healthily.

clement on February 6, 2010 at 1:28 PM

I know Dave a little from a few meetings at events that he’s covered, and whether or not he’s “socialist” — I’d say center-left having read his work, but usually very fair —

He used to work for Reason… but his news outlet is BS… it’s an activist organization not unlike media matters… in fact they used to share office space…

Oh yeah, search Ed’s old blog for the Minnesota Monitor…

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.captainsquartersblog.com+Minnesota+Monitor

ninjapirate on February 6, 2010 at 1:29 PM

The birther issue is the wedge issue that the Progressives have chosen to diminish the Tea Party movement.

d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Yep. And, from a practical standpoint, it won’t have any influence on whether he stays for the next 3 years. We’ve got redder meat than that with which to work. I’ve always suspected Axelrod is sandbagging on the issue until just the right time to produce the documents.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 1:29 PM

I’ve had several spirited discussions with my brother over the whole birth certificate issue. Even if he were holding the actual original in his hand, I don’t think he’d believe it.

CP on February 6, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Right-leaning bloggers are guilty of keeping this issue in the mainstream. Why are we still discussing it?

Connie on February 6, 2010 at 1:30 PM

I hate World Net Daily. The parents read it all the time, but I just get a big vibe of conspiracy theories and panic from the site. It’s like the world is ending every single day.

I really prefer HA!

laurakbarr on February 6, 2010 at 1:30 PM

No joke. I wish people would shut up about this birther crap. Even if it is true (which it is not), at this point it does a lot of harm and NO GOOD. It’s a LOSER. It shrieks “CRACKPOT”!

Anyone who promotes this theory, whether they believe it is true or not, is harming conservatives.

jaime on February 6, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Agreeing with jaime whole-heartedly, I might add that the liberal media and their pundits are using this birther crap to divide the unity the conservative party is on using practical substances Andrew is talking about—-fiscal sanity and shrinking the size of government.

You buy into this birther crap that’s a total looser for the priorities of the party, you might as well become a full blown THRUTHER too.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

Rovin on February 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Rather funny that Team Obama routinely bungles enough to allow the army base killer free access and lets undie bomber onto the airliner but if someone requests a document from an elected official people start stroking out and call for the thought police.

snaggletoothie on February 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that someone won’t mistake for the real thing.

disillusioned on February 6, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Joseph Farah is the tool responsible for the most asinine column in the history of the internet.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41977

Mark1971 on February 6, 2010 at 1:32 PM

I’ve been to a tea party here on long island..good people who care deeply about their country. The movement means well and in my opinion is long overdue. It’s a shame a bunch of nutjobs obsessed with birtherism has to give the whole movement a bad name .Personally I think it’s a far-right response to the far left’s 9/11 trutherism .Like you said Ed it makes me think twice about telling people I identify with the tea party movement

galtg on February 6, 2010 at 1:32 PM

I wish birthers would get a clue and realize that the President is playing them for all “lunatic right conspiracy” PR, he can.

He’ll never produce proof, because it benefits him and his party.

Speakup on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Trainwreck! Been watching all morning on C-Span. Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

World Net Daily shoudln’t even be credentialed, much less speaking.

If Farah thinks Birtherism is good I really wonder ultimately which side he’s on.

motionview on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

I’m glad I’m not at this thing.

terryannonline on February 6, 2010 at 1:25 PM

They are too.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM

You know…let people be who they are, come together, and boom – there ya got it – America – governed by the people, even the whackjobs. I went to the pro-life march in DC and there were some wackos doing some crazy things yet were still on my side of the argument. First reaction was, “I wish they’d smarten up and realize they are pushing people away, blah, blah, blah…” But the more I thought, hell, this is America, they have every right to express themselves as I, and if they are on my side with pro-life, they have every right to be here protesting. The problem is not the wackos – the problem is the rest of the populace accepting the FALSE premise that if there is one whackjob associated with the movement, then that is how the whole movement thinks. And yes, the media with take and spread this all over – again, the problem is with a populace that refuses to educate itself and whose logic skills are rudimentary, at best.

Back when I was a conductor, I would attend conferences where a speaker would say some things I agreed with and learned from, other things that I didn’t agree with so didn’t use. Took the good points, left the others, but didn’t say the man shouldn’t be there just because he didn’t see everything my way. Why the hell can’t we be so even-keeled when it comes to politics and say “he had some good things to say, and some things I don’t agree with” rather than “he said this ONE thing so he is now totally on the wrong side”. This all or nothin crap is a classic dysfuntcional reaction.

miConsevative on February 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Trainwreck! Been watching all morning on C-Span. Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Racist! What’s wrong with white people? Are you going to refuse their taxes this year?

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I thought everyone was so happy that the TP didn’t have any central control? Why act suprised that different people in the movement have different issues? Suddenly now the TP is supposed to have one list of approved issues?

katiejane on February 6, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Proof?

Can you name one person who would have voted conservative, but didn’t due to some folks wanting to see 0bama’s original documentation – the same documentation that every American voter has had to produce numerous times for far more trivial reasons?

Rebar on February 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

The issue was raised and rejected by the voting public in 2008.

Writers, commentators, and pundits have effectively portrayed anyone subscribing to birtherism as whack-jobs.

Several suits at law have been filed in federal courts around the country trying to force Obama to produce birth documents. They have all failed. Also, people who continue file such suits are charged with contempt and declared crackpots.

So, my friend, your continued efforts in this area are not considered “fighting the good fight”. You are seen by the vast majority of voters as being crazier than a sh*t-house rat. Regardless of whether it’s true or not.

jaime on February 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Trainwreck! Been watching all morning on C-Span. Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Any damn fool can condescend, Joe Biden. Its any damn fools justification of a damn fool ideology.

If everyone realizes they’re equal in opportunity and pursuit of happiness after all, why Progressivism to give one an advantage over another?

Its why racism originates and culminates, on the left.

Speakup on February 6, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Speakup on February 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Schadenfreude

It’s not racism to point out a simple fact. Not one black face in the entire room. Make you wonder….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Speakup

So where are all those other Americans at this pity party?

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Trainwreck! Been watching all morning on C-Span. Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Been watching it too, on and off. You’re right. It’s a trainwreck against progressivism. Also, the attendants look like they’re honest, decent, hard-working producers.

Moochers take note!

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM

World Net Daily shoudln’t even be credentialed, much less speaking.

If Farah thinks Birtherism is good I really wonder ultimately which side he’s on.

motionview on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Please. World Net Daily has been a stalwart ally of conservatives and at the forefront of reporting on the whole illegal alien and Shamnesty issues, the truth of The Precedent’s past (that we have been allowed access to) and was well ahead of most everyone on reporting the marxists, maoists, and criminals that surround the Indonesian imbecile.

WND goes a bit overboard on some religious stuff, but it has been one of the most important anti-jihadi voices and WND has led pretty much everyone on reporting the violence against and suppression of Christians in the arab and muslim worlds.

The Eligibility issue is legitimate and doesn’t hurt anyone raising it. Most people find the fact that The Precedent hangs onto his birth and school records like they were national secrets to be very, very odd and more than a bit disconcerting.

neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM

honest, decent, hard-working producers

Who all happen to look like they walked out a John Deere ad. How broad is the appeal of this movement?

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Grow Fins, all I see is people. All you see is color.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM

More broad than you think. I think you’re scared.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM

It’s not racism to point out a simple fact. Not one black face in the entire room. Make you wonder….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Angela McGlowan, a black conservative, spoke this morning.

Disturb the Universe on February 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM

It may not be a political “winning issue”, but it is a real, genuine concern of people who have a right to know that the constitution is being followed.

IronDioPriest on February 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM

To you. To most of the rest of us, Scott Brown won on his opposition to Obamacare. He didn’t even touch that 10,000 volt line that seems so irresistible to you even once in his run. The closest he came was long before his run. Shortly after the Republican Convention in 2008, he was put on the spot to defend the choice of Sarah Palin as Vice Presidential candidate, and he raised the possibility that Obama was born out of wedlock — an entirely plausible possibility because, unlike the whole birther thing, Obama’s mother’s marriage certificate has never been shown.

But even that possibility, if true, says nothing negative about Obama himself, his own character, his own status as a Citizen.

unclesmrgol on February 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Grow Fins, all I see is people. All you see is color.

haha fabulous. Of course all you see is “people.” Fill the room with a bunch of young black guys, and we’ll see how ‘color-blind’ you were….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Trainwreck! Been watching all morning on C-Span. Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Just like we got to watch health care reform negotiations on C-span…..Oh wait…Never mind.

SHARPTOOTH on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Not one black face in the entire room. Make you wonder….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM

I pity you. If you can’t see past the color of one’s skin, you will never be able to judge a person on their character. Step into a larger world, you’ll find it liberating.

Spirit of 1776 on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

It’s not racism to point out a simple fact. Not one black face in the entire room. Make you wonder….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Heh. Grow Fins — arbiter of racial purity.

unclesmrgol on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

I’m so sick of these tea partiers dressing up like revolutionaries

blatantblue on February 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

It’s also pretty difficult to take a person seriously when they have tea bags hanging from their hat too.

yoda on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

The most racist poster on HotAir – Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Moving the ball forward! Progress! Glorious revolution forever comrade!

daesleeper on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Who all happen to look like they walked out a John Deere ad. How broad is the appeal of this movement?

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Check with voters in MA, then get back to us.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM

While Breitbart and Farah disagree about how the “birther” issue is perceived, there is actually a new court proceeding underway, called a Quo Warranto, filed on January 25, 2010 in the US District Court for the District of Columbia. This comes after a Federal judge’s dismissal on October 29, 2009 of Barnett v. Obama, in the US District Court for the Central District of California.

Emperor Norton on February 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM

That’s funny, because the asinine stuff that the American people are paying attention too is:

Unemployment, stuff like “You Lie”, health-care and the state of Mass, the “Kennedy’s Seat, Brown’s election win, Panty Bomber, Fort Hood, Goldman Sachs cronies, Obambi being laughed at during State of the Union address over Global Warming “Evidence”, Obambi firing Inspector Generals, They haven’t forgotten Stupid Police, and they haven’t forgotten Air Force One with Fighter Jets over Manhatten.

Basically if he released his college transcripts everyone would laugh their asses off. We’d need ass transplants.

But then again, it’s not PC to laugh at a person with colored skin.

Especially one that has thin skin.

Ask 100 people what WND is, and 3 will be able to tell you.

Some one with large anatomy will one day ask him in one of his 500+ interview that he’ll have given:

Mr. President will you committ to releasing your College Transcripts?

father on February 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Two prominent black men, tea party organizers, are omitted by the media…couldn’t be coincidental?

However, I don’t care about color, sex, age, etc. Those who produce are being ‘raped’ and they have had it.

Be scared exploiters and redistributors. I know you’re shaking in your boots because you’ve been exposed nakid by your overzealot party. Obama united the country against you.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Every movement has it’s fringe, Ed. The birthers do not define the conservative movement no matter how hard the media tries to make it so. You advise conservatives to let go of the birther issue as though it’s an overriding concern for most, or even many, of us. I advise you to ignore the birthers as they will remain at the fringe and there’s nothing you can do about it…except get on your high horse, as you are often wont to do.
Yeah, I know…you’re just expressing an opinion as is your right and calling on this blog. Funny how so many of your opinions read like sermons to the little people. You write well, Ed, but not when you trip over your own ego.

Extrafishy on February 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM

On topic, at this point I no longer care if Obama was born on this planet, or not. Just get rid of his ideology.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Man, go bleach your skin if you’re so insecure about yourself.

RepubChica on February 6, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Trainwreck! Been watching all morning on C-Span. Gosh, you people are so white!

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM

A convention held in a state that’s over 80% white is attended by mostly white people? What are the odds of that?

And what’s with the Chris Matthews bigotry? Do you hate white people and dismiss their opinions based on skin color?

Doughboy on February 6, 2010 at 1:44 PM

– again, the problem is with a populace that refuses to educate itself and whose logic skills are rudimentary, at best.
miConsevative on February 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM

sounds elitist, or consevative at best.

disillusioned on February 6, 2010 at 1:45 PM

I’m glad to see that the Tea Party party is putting forth candidates in local and state elections. It’s the only way they will have any relevancy. The only foreseeable problem though stems from the “stupid demographic” who will only vote for the lesser of two evils in every election.

Send_Me on February 6, 2010 at 1:45 PM

People should have the right to ask question about Obamas citizenship, it’s just not part of the ideas behind The tea party movement.

the_nile on February 6, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Who all happen to look like they walked out a John Deere ad. How broad is the appeal of this movement?

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Sorry dude, when you have a movement that is based on the founding principles, I think it says more about the those with whom this doesn’t resonate (all the hyphenated Americans who put their ‘heritage’ before their American citizenship) than it does with the movement.

miConsevative on February 6, 2010 at 1:46 PM

haha fabulous. Of course all you see is “people.” Fill the room with a bunch of young black guys, and we’ll see how ‘color-blind’ you were….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

I work with them all the time. You’re the blind one.

haha fabulous. Of course all you see is “people.” Fill the room with a bunch of young black guys, and we’ll see how ‘color-blind’ you were….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

They love to keep their sheeple in the modern day plantation, so they don’t advance and think/vote for themselves. All is in the faux disguise of “we’re for the people”.

Leftie elites are the biggest bogots, hypocrits and exploiters of the masses. One day soon they will be found out and said masses will go after them with a vengeance.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:46 PM

haha fabulous. Of course all you see is “people.” Fill the room with a bunch of young black guys, and we’ll see how ‘color-blind’ you were….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Give it up, girl. You’re not even close to the Sharpton level.

a capella on February 6, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Angela McGlowan, a black conservative, spoke this morning.

Disturb the Universe on February 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM

It’s no secret that blacks have been a dependable voting block for the Democratic Party.

But, as we have seen, there are plenty who understand and support conservatism.

It will take more and more exposure of people like this fine lady for blacks and other minorities to get it and throw off the shackles of liberalism.

God Bless the Tea Partiers, without them I would never have heard of heard, much less had the opportunity to hear her speak.

Jvette on February 6, 2010 at 1:47 PM

The nut-jobs on the right are really not helping.

It’s not a “conservative movement” that is needed. What is needed, is a “get the shit that we need done now” movement.

Opinionnation on February 6, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Sorry, the second quote should have been this one

I pity you. If you can’t see past the color of one’s skin, you will never be able to judge a person on their character. Step into a larger world, you’ll find it liberating.

Spirit of 1776 on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2010 at 1:47 PM

haha fabulous. Of course all you see is “people.” Fill the room with a bunch of young black guys, and we’ll see how ‘color-blind’ you were….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

No, ask harry reid about their dialect.

the_nile on February 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM

I don’t mind some The Tea Party members dress up as Revolutionaries — The Party has just begun — Think – Silent Majority Party if you want ..I.M.O.

wheels on February 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Who all happen to look like they walked out a John Deere ad. How broad is the appeal of this movement?

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM

You see, everyone? This shows how stupid liberals are. They don’t care a whit about policy or substance. All they care about is tribal identity, and attempt to denigrate those who don’t think their way. Grow Fins, and slags like her, is why liberalism is sinking at such a fast pace.

jaime on February 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Not one black face in the entire room. Make you wonder….

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Wonder about what? 90%+ of blacks support The Precedent. You’re just noting this fact in another context. What do want, a medal?

Blacks that understand America and what we are founded to be are in the Tea party crowds. There are not many, but that is a function of the near monolithic stance of black voters. That would change over time, but this nation might not have the time to wait, since The Precedent is the most destructive force this nation has ever had to deal with.

neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM

He’s done so much more that we can hang him with that the birther issue is a dead horse that deserves to be buried in an unmarked grave! Don’t give the liberals any more ammo to classify Tea Party members as wackos who need to be shunned.

flytier on February 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM

– again, the problem is with a populace that refuses to educate itself and whose logic skills are rudimentary, at best.
miConsevative on February 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM
sounds elitist, or consevative at best.

disillusioned on February 6, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Perhaps I could have been more selective im my wording – the problem is not being uneducated, the problem is being uninformed. Not elitist in the least.

miConsevative on February 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM

So where are all those other Americans at this pity party?

Grow Fins on February 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Its your pity party, its not anyone else’s fault you refuse to see any difference.

Speakup on February 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM

So Sarah Palin didn’t go to CPAC, in part because of the Birchers (and I supported that decision), but the Tea Party people invited Joseph freaking Farah to actually speak?

Wonder how much the Democrat operatives are paying Farah and other “birthers” to keep injecting this stupidity into every conservative gathering….

p.s. This issue is one which can actually, in the correct usage of the word, be called “moot.” It has already been discussed (mooted), it can continue to be discussed, but the result of the discussion is of no legal consequence. A sitting president can only be removed by impeachment; Obama’s eligibility to seek election was certified as per Chapter 240A, Section 81 of the Presidential Elections Act, the slate of electors was accepted, and Congress accepted the results in joint session as per the 12th amendment on January 6 of 2009.

notropis on February 6, 2010 at 1:50 PM

This is not only not a winning issue, it’s a NONissue. I think the greatest arguement that there is nothing there is the fact that Hillary didn’t bring it out in the Primary.

The Clinton Machine, one of the most effective in history, looked into the rumors. They decided there was nothing there. If there was even the HINT that it might be true, does anyone doubt that Clinton, or one of their supporters, would have at least floated it out there? And if there was any traction at all, would have run the field with it.

The only thing I ever want to see come out of this is the proof is provided at time of filing to run. Exactly two qualification to be President according to the Constitution, both are satisfied by exactly one piece of paper. Make it a ceremony, bring in the cameras, have a good ol’ time.

Just don’t let us get bogged down with this sort of felgercarb again.

JamesLee on February 6, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Yup, Farah is being a KOOK. The Birth Certificate issue per se is perfectly fair but it’s been addressed for Obama and that’s it.

I do have a problem with people saying it is an unprecedented question in the wake of the McCain investigation of his birth. The media investigated every last detail on McCain’s long-form, tracking down the information and verifying the signer, doctor and there was even debate if the hospital was within the Naval base area so really under U.S. jurisdiction or outside. Eventually Congress did their non-binding finding that McCain was eligible. So it is not beyond the pale to raise the question to begin with.

Having said that, the question has been asked AD NAUSEUM on Obama. He’s using it to his benefit and as Breitbart poined out to Farah, he put Palin in a bad position. Twitter was abuzz last night with instant demands that Palin disassociate herself. Inane ramblings about what if trutherism had reared its head at a Kos convention. A Kos convention? Try Howard Dean. Try the light that lit that fuse with the leaking of the existance of the August, 2001 PDB that was spun as Bush Knew and played a big role in the 9/11 Commission (where it came out that it was based on a 1998 PDB to Clinton). Try Michael Moore’s related odious F-9/11 that was lauded by major Dems and earned his big butt a seat of honor next to Jimmy Carter at DemCon 2004.

Anyway, Farah is a KOOk.

KittyLowrey on February 6, 2010 at 1:51 PM

What I want to know is what went down in Indonesia? Just exactly what did he do all those years under Frank Marshall Davis’s guidance in all things Alinsky? How did Barry know WHO to contact in Chicago and various other places? Where are his transcripts? Thesis? Why are so many of his classmates silent? Well, except for those who have addiction issues. I am with Tom Brockaw and Charlie Rose, do we really know who this guy Barak Obama is?

And why is no one talking any more about the Annenberg Papers?

WND would do itself a great favor by just tracking down info on what IS THERE instead of WHAT IS NOT. This does harm the tea party movement to some degree, but on a local town by town basis, no one gives a hoot about this as an overwhelming issue.

Is it not grand however that we still have the First Amendment alive and well for wingnuts to say the craziest stuff? Enjoy it while it lasts, because I have this really bad feeling some in Washington do not like the First Amendment very much and would like to see it gone.

freeus on February 6, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Some one with large anatomy will one day ask him in one of his 500+ interview that he’ll have given:

Mr. President will you committ to releasing your College Transcripts?

father on February 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Will that person have been a past recipient of the Akbar Zeb Piece Prize?

unclesmrgol on February 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM

I think the greatest arguement that there is nothing there is the fact that Hillary didn’t bring it out in the Primary.

JamesLee on February 6, 2010 at 1:50 PM

LOL. Shrillary is a total imbecile.

neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Get off the “birther” kick . . . all it does is give fuel to idiots like “Grow Fins” and his ilk. There is more than enough substantive issues to dislodge nearly all of these leftists currently in office.

rplat on February 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM

At this point it is an irrelevant issue and as long as you make it, you make the Corrupt Media Establishment’s job easy. They can focus on it, rather than the substantive disagreements. They make the subtle insinuation that birthism = racism and they try to marginalize you with it.

TheBigOldDog on February 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Whether Barry had dual citizenship, used foreign aid to attend college, had generous grade rounding in college, etc., are interesting questions, but to the swing voter they are not relevant. Economic policy will swing them.

All of the people who believe the birther story are already on the reservation.

Vashta.Nerada on February 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM

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