AGW belief takes a big hit in the UK
posted at 10:50 am on February 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Before the big climate-change scandals hit over the last three months, confidence in the dire warnings regarding anthropogenic global warming ran high in the UK. A new poll by the BBC shows a dramatic turn since November. The number of people who believe that the Earth is warming because of human activity has dropped 15 points — and now trails skepticism by a wide margin:
The number of British people who are sceptical about climate change is rising, a poll for BBC News suggests.
The Populus poll of 1,001 adults found 25% did not think global warming was happening, a rise of 8% since a similar poll was conducted in November.
The percentage of respondents who said climate change was a reality had fallen from 83% in November to 75% this month.
And only 26% of those asked believed climate change was happening and “now established as largely man-made”.
Take a look at the graphic the BBC includes in its report:
The bigger problem for the AGW “profession” isn’t the 10-point increase in people who think the Earth isn’t warming at all. In November, the British public was evenly split between those who thought the Earth was warming largely through human activity (41%) and those who were either skeptical or believed it to be environmentalist propaganda (40% total). In three months, that went from a 41/40 split to 26/48, almost 2-1 in favor of skepticism or cynicism about AGW even without those who flat-out believe that the Earth isn’t warming at all.
When the public support for AGW was at 41%, the AGW activists had a chance of getting their agenda passed into law. At 26%, they don’t have a prayer, and the rising level of skepticism and cynicism will likely result in less money and less attention for their programs.
In the Netherlands, the government has gotten skeptical of the IPCC after the UN body’s report put more than half of their country below sea level:
The Netherlands has asked the UN climate change panel to explain an inaccurate claim in a landmark 2007 report that more than half the country was below sea level, the Dutch government said Friday.
According to the Dutch authorities, only 26 percent of the country is below sea level, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will be asked to account for its figures, environment ministry spokesman Trimo Vallaart told AFP.
The incident could cause further embarrassment for the IPCC, which recently admitted a claim in the same report that global warming could melt Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was wrong.
IPCC experts calculated that 55 percent of the Netherlands was below sea level by adding the area below sea level — 26 percent — to the area threatened by river flooding — 29 percent — Vallaart said.
The IPCC knew about the error, but just never got around to correcting it, according to Vallaart. He has ordered a detailed review of the IPCC report to determine whether it contains any other errors.
This shows that the IPCC, far from being a scientific venue, is instead a clearinghouse for AGW advocates who seem to be able to insert any wild claims they can make for scare-mongering. The non-existent Himalayan glacier melt, the Amazon rainforest claims, and now the elevation level of The Netherlands have all been proven false, and rather easily. Scientists would have tested their data and conclusions, while hysterics merely amplify them. The IPCC clearly uses the latter process rather than the former, and that is why public opinion has turned on the AGW profession.









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blatantblue on February 6, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Proving the old adage:
You can fool all of the people some of the time.
You can fool some of the people all of the time.
But you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
Disturb the Universe on February 6, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Sacrilege!
Johan Klaus on February 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM
the Brits are smarter than I thought
CWforFreedom on February 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Just imagine, the Left has the whole media in Europe and they’re still losing the propaganda battle.
What’s our problem?
solidaction on February 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Shouldn’t this be 100%? When has the climate not changed?
This is what the lefty linguistic gestapo (and assorted temporary allies) are leading us to in every aspect of life – nonsensical expressions arising from their raping of the language. “Climate change” … they might as well call it “breathing” … ‘Do you believe in breathing?’ …
neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 11:03 AM
There’s change we can believe in. Check out the Utah state senate. Miles Noel(R) has come out and flatly stated that agw is a hoax and means to control and tax people. He and others passed a law in Utah calling on more examination of the facts.
Kissmygrits on February 6, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Now if the question had been: Is climate change beyond normal cycles real, I suspect the majority would vote no.
Christian Conservative on February 6, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Apparently, India has had enough and is pulling out of the IPCC.
India’s Environmental Minister:
“There is a fine line between climate science and climate evangelism. I am for climate science. I think people misused [the] IPCC report, [the] IPCC doesn’t do the original research which is one of the weaknesses… they just take published literature and then they derive assessments, so we had goof-ups on Amazon forest, glaciers, snow peaks”
BigAlSouth on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM
I never believed the U.S. public was going to accept the disastrous Cap and Trade but even so, we own a great deal of gratitude to some anonymous person who metaphorically pulled his finger out of the dike and released all those Climategate emails; thank you sir/madam
E9RET on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Which wild claims? There are so many from which to choose.
Johan Klaus on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM
The lies come tumbling down… But we can be certain that those who planned on using AGW to steal freedom and redistribute American wealth to the third world will never stop, until they are forced to stop. Truth tellers and seekers must keep the pressure up relentlessly.
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IronDioPriest on February 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM
All in the name of social justice, and handing over peoples hard earned money to nations who would squander it on weapons, and tryannical means….not to help their people, but to further control them.
capejasmine on February 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM
The only global warming I see is the fire they use to cook the books.
rich801 on February 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM
When will ONE of the people behind this be held accountable? Hello, this is *fraud*.
Midas on February 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM
It’s just always amazed me that people could be so convinced it was Really, Really True.
I mean, it’s an interesting theory that deserves research, but as far as I’m concerned it’s always been clear as soon as you look past the press-release level that the data on which they’re basing their conclusions is simply not good enough to establish anything with any degree of certainty.
Of course, what you can derive from all this is that the Big Lie works. Get enough supposed organs of authority to parrot the same story long enough and people will fall in line.
JEM on February 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM
I just have to laugh at a AGW proponent who was always complaining on my blog about my posts, hotair’s, etc. when it came to AGW (among other things). He’s one of those PEER-REVIEW!! types. bwhahaaha!
aikidoka on February 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM
From the moment I realized the entire premise which Hansen’s Hockeystick & AGW was dependent upon omitting the Roman Warming Period, the Medieval Optimum and the Little Ice-Age, I’ve yelled from the rafters that the whole thing was a farce. I was derided as looney-tunes, ignorant or a vassal of copratist propaganda. My younger brother just shook his head in condescending disapproval at my obvious obtuseness.
From the disclosure of the CRU emails ( FYI, CRU’s HQ Hadden bldg is named after the man who documented the Medieval Optimum) onward I have been ROFLOL at every family gathering to his great discomfort, he who kept citing the “sientific concencus”. I am relishing and milking this for every drop of irony possible.
AGW?……R.I.P!
Archimedes on February 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Poor fat kids and Polar Bears hardest hit.
Bishop on February 6, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Yes, this is definitely FRAUD and THEFT.
When exactly will these swindlers be held accountable??
Fuzzlenutter on February 6, 2010 at 11:20 AM
I’m going to resist Janet Napolitano jokes at this particular point and address the substance of the post, with which I agree. The ramifications of the CRU email exposure just keep getting broader and broader. The whole AGW nonsense is imploding in slow motion (which I won’t describe as “retarded” regardless of how apt the term may be). It’s a beautiful thing to watch!
mr.blacksheep on February 6, 2010 at 11:21 AM
I’m also reminding my colleges at work of their folly. I have to be a bit more judicious however.
Mojave Mark on February 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM
When is algore going to be doing his perp walk?
Johan Klaus on February 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM
For many years, the Left has been promising skittle-farting unicorns to Americans because up until now, they have not had any real power. The Europeans realized decades ago the unicorn wasn’t coming.
Sekhmet on February 6, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Has anyone seen Al Gore lately?
BTW: how’s the snow in DC, American global warmers? We got it pretty good here in SW Ohio.
BuckeyeSam on February 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM
When do we put all these con artists on trial under RICO charges?
jukin on February 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM
LGF has just banned Britain & the Netherlands.
rbj on February 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Don’t you know global warming causes cold weather? I mean, it just makes so much sense, how could you not see it?
mr.blacksheep on February 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM
AGW skeptics aren’t anti-science, just anti-bullsh*t.
Extrafishy on February 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Put it on PPV and send the profits to Catholic Charities for Hatian relief.
Extrafishy on February 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Damn typo’s again! Man my typing skills are truly pathetic.
Archimedes on February 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM
A few added points I would like to make. Once people have developed a large amount of skeptism about AGW its very hard to convince them otherwise. It may take generations of academic brainwashing to get people back to where they were pre-hide-the-decline scandal. I guess my last point is that it is all very sad that these “scientists” are still working. They have really tarnished their fields. I am not trying to paint with a broad brush here, but not all climatologists are warmers, this scandal has given a black eye to the field and I think that those responsible should have to suffer as examples to future fudgers.
canditaylor68 on February 6, 2010 at 11:34 AM
For me, the first general thing that really set me off was when I learned that they were using computer models’ predictions to forecast the future. It was almost blasphemous coming out of Lorenz’s field – it kind of struck me as.
Then, after seeing the Vostok data, I couldn’t imagine what the left was even arguing. That was always the chart I pointed people to, since it shows that we are in a high-temperature, high-volatility phase (near the end, historically), driven by very, very, very large forces.
neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Over 30 years ago, I was working as Director of Purchasing for a city in Florida. One morning, several of my Buyers were conversing over coffee about the program which had aired on ABC the previous evening. One of them asked me if I had seen the program and I said “No”. She then went on to tell me how ABC had stated more than 500,000 children a year disappeared. I thought for a moment and asked if she had the number correct. A second Buyer said yes, absolutely. As hard as it was to believe, more than half a million children were abducted every year in the United States. I asked them, “How many people do you PERSONALLY know who have had this experience?” They looked at each other, looked at me and admitted that they didn’t know any, personally. I then asked if they personally knew any families who had had a family member killed in Viet-Nam. They all knew someone, personally, who had lost a family member in Viet-Nam. I then made the point that the Viet-Nam war went on for roughly ten years with losses reaching about 60,000, and they all knew someone personally who had lost a loved one. I then asked the question, “If in ten years 60,000 people were lost and you knew of them personally, doesn’t it seem odd that almost ten times that number of children are lost every year but you don’t know ONE?” It was like dawn breaking over the ocean as the lights came on in their heads. Suddenly, the topic of discussion became the numbers.
Sometimes you need to force people to think. And once you have them started, it’s more difficult to fool them the next time. You’ve got to keep on trying!
oldleprechaun on February 6, 2010 at 11:40 AM
The sure-fire cure for anyone that thinks man has an impact on earth is to put them in a 757 for 35 minutes heading in any direction over land. In that time you can see that civilization is but a molecule on the larger earth.
ericdijon on February 6, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Oh, yes! I’m also going to help fight continental drift!
yubley on February 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM
To celebrate the newest “findings” I am going out to burn the trash! Go Gray!! I am proud to be a carbon emitter!
kringeesmom on February 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Question of the day:
If Al Gore is tarred-and-feathered will he resemble a:
Large turkey or a disheveled vulture?
Yoop on February 6, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I read a Walter Williams piece about how much money is on the line and how these fascists will not go down without a fight.
75% still believe in AGW, we still have a way to go.
Jvette on February 6, 2010 at 12:02 PM
We have about 25 or so inches of snow in our yard, and it’s steadily coming down – our second large snowfall of the season, and what could be the worst one in several decades. And yet, my inlaws still believe in “climate change” caused by humans. I think they still believed in AGW until the first blizzard before Christmas.
So while the facade may be cracking, we still have a long way to go. Sad thing is – my FiL considers himself a moderate Republican. I just don’t get it.
Anna on February 6, 2010 at 12:06 PM
An inconvenient fact:
Global Glaciation Crisis addressed.
The Obama administration is warning that people need to prepare to abandon the northern states and start moving south to avoid the pending advancing continental glaciers. Canadians will have to abandon their entire country. Problems are expected with the mass migrations to Mexico.
Immediate legislation is required on a spending bill designed to mediate the increasing job losses expected to be caused by glaciation. Tax breaks are needed immediately for businesses to produce snow shovels and insulated parkas.
/s
Yoop on February 6, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Climate change is and always has been a reality ever since the earth has had an atmosphere. The poll is only useful to determine how many people the sophists have confused with their word games. They can argue that 8% of the people since November have went into denial that perpetual climate change is a reality.
They can argue that they didn’t mean “climate change” as “man-made climate change” because the cause of the “climate change” was qualified with other words in the poll questions.
They are trying to make such a mess of it that eventually we won’t have the words to explain why they are wrong. They have co-opted the words which they feared could be used against them, like “climate change”, and redefined the words into some flexible meaning that they can tweak as needed.
Buddahpundit on February 6, 2010 at 12:11 PM
I’ve just had to shovel 18″ of Global Warming off of my front steps, walkway and around my car.
Could I get some activists over here to help? Instead of picking up placards, I can hand out shovels… because I have PLENTY of Global Warming to go around. Lots and lots of it.
Feels like I’m back in Buffalo… and I’m in NoVA. At least it isn’t as bad as ’77 was. Yet.
ajacksonian on February 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM
More like a lobotomized Big Bird who’s gone wiccan.
ray on February 6, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Well put. UN shouldn’t be in the climate business to start with. (And the US shouldn’t stay in the UN any longer.)
petefrt on February 6, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Yeah, 6 billion sounds like a huge number that must be impacting something. But then you take a step back and understand that if the world’s population were put in a city with the population density of London, that city with the entire human population would only cover 0.2% of the surface area of the planet.
ray on February 6, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Ain’t
Gonna
Work
StubbleSpark on February 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM
I wonder how many people out there really think that AGW will simply cease if enough people just don’t believe in it. Shall we take a vote?
oakland on February 6, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Yep. The left loves to create briar patches of lingusitic nonsense, confusing labels with descriptions, when advantageous, and taking the opposite interpretation (often at the same time) for less flattering comparisons.
SOP for the left. Sadly, they are very effective at it and have almost made a mockery of the English language. “Illegal immigration” and even the use of “immigration” have been sold well to sow chaos and confusion. They’ve pretty much destroyed the meaning of “tax cuts”, too.
It’s retarded.
neurosculptor on February 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM
I just shoveled 2 feet-deep AGW off my driveway.
shick on February 6, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I hope the present chaiman of the IPCC doesn’t step down. They will replace him with someone whose financial incentives can’t be found so easily and create the perception it was all just a leadership problem.
a capella on February 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM
The LSM is hiding the truth from the American public. The media in the UK is the only source of information.
d1carter on February 6, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Here in Washington DC, we have had a monster snow storm and a blizzard last night. More of that darn global warming — it is not.
Maybe AlGore is in town.
Dhuka on February 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM
LOL. He snuck into my neighborhood of Glen Burnie, MD too. :)
shick on February 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM
In the Williamsburg, VA area, they might have snow that “sticks” every 10-12 years. Last week when the snow finally stopped, my daughter measured NINE INCHES OF SNOW! I’m visiting this weekend and snow has been blowing past at a 45 degree angle for the past six hours. I’m SO happy that I no longer have to go out work in this Man-Made Glo-bull Warming!
Drive safely, and happy shoveling!
PS Hope you guys “up-state” laid in enough pretzels and beer for tomorrow’s Big Game.
oldleprechaun on February 6, 2010 at 2:38 PM
The British do have a far superior media than we do (excepting Fox, WSJ, and a few others). Until recently if an American wanted to read a newstory about Obama that didn’t read like it was straight from the Ministry of Truth you had to go to the UK Telegraph, London Times, Daily Mail, or heck even The Guardian. Other Euro media would do as well if they have English versions or if you can speak the language. Similarly, most of the coverage of the AGW hoax has been in those media outlets while American ones have largely ignored the story.
The difference isn’t the media is leftwing here but not there, it’s leftwing both places. The difference is the media in Europe still goes where they story is whereas our media goes where the story is if the story fits with their leftwing viewpoints. So the Euro media can see where the story is with Obama (failed president) and AGW (manmade hoax) and they’re going there despite it not being in tune with their leftwing biases.
See above.
jarodea on February 6, 2010 at 2:38 PM
25% think climate change is not happening? It’s been happening for billions of years, for pity’s sake. It’s just that we aren’t causing it and can’t affect it. Just like we can’t affect the sunspot cycle.
misterpeasea on February 6, 2010 at 2:45 PM
This is a beautiful photo of the capital…where’s the Goracle?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/06/blizzard-warning-for-dc-nyt-capital-is-crippled-as-blizzard-continues/
Dr Evil on February 6, 2010 at 2:48 PM
In case you missed it, the weather channel is standing by global warming…Jim Cantore weighed in this week, even bringing on a NOAA, scientist, to tell us that the last decade was the world’s hottest on record…How ironic, India announced pulling out of the IPCC on the very same day…India’s government sighted, unreliable data, as being key to their no longer participating in the IPCC…I wonder if weather channel parent company GE has anything to do with their continuing to speak the party line…Hmmmmh, GE Capital received TARP money, and GE is heavily invested in green technologies…They stand to make billions selling “taxpayer subsidized” green products…Hmmmh…
Nozzle on February 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM
I want my global warming and I WANT IT NOW!
Laura in Maryland on February 6, 2010 at 3:12 PM
IPCC: In perpetual search of a great pair of breasts to write about. Oh..and some climate fiction to go with it.
BobMbx on February 6, 2010 at 4:14 PM
That’s 75% believe in GW, only 26% believe in AGW.
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Since AGW doesn’t exist, why should it matter whether anyone believes in it or not?
MarkTheGreat on February 6, 2010 at 4:29 PM
SNORK!! I just nose squirted Fresca all over my brand new monitor!!! You are a menace sir/madam!!!!!
E9RET on February 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM
What is your expertise that you should be able to make this statement with credibility?
oakland on February 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM
I wonder how many people out there really think that AGW will simply cease if enough people just don’t believe in it. Shall we take a vote?
oakland on February 6, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Yet another person unclear on the concept. What humans believe is irrelevent, the ablility of of our puny species to even minutely effect something as grand and powerful as the planet is nothing short of ridiculous.
The entire AGW meme doesn’t even pass the 4th grade math-test, if ALL the ice & snow on the planet melted, the ocean swould not rise 1 millimeter, its called the “Archimedes effect”. This science was settled, back in the third century BC! Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and the rest have experienced warming and cooling in parallel with ours and most certainly tied to solar storms ever since we’ve been able to measure these things. Are there Hummers on Jupiter of which we are unaware? The global temperture avg. has been dropping since 1998, which was not the warmest year of the 20th century, 1934 was!
Yet imbeciles such as yourself continue to promulgate what is demonstrably false, and with the temerity to imply that those armed with the actual data are the ones intellectually challenged. Its pathetic!
Archimedes on February 6, 2010 at 5:28 PM
What does the A stand for in AGW? I presume the GW is global warming, not “booooosh”!!!! :)
karenhasfreedom on February 6, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Well, I just went out and measured the “glo-bull warming” that fell today. My wife’s car has 5 inches of snow accumulated and the driveway is a sheet of ice. At least we still have electricity, unlike many other Virginians up-state.
oldleprechaun on February 6, 2010 at 6:17 PM
anthropogenic. Just a big word that means man’s to blame for it.
Oldnuke on February 6, 2010 at 7:47 PM
I actually had a friend ‘un-friend’ me on facebook after a discussion on AGW. It’s unfortunate, but I’m afraid he’s a typical lib. Sore loser.
4shoes on February 6, 2010 at 7:52 PM
I guess I know what your vote is!
oakland on February 6, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Surely you jest?! Beliefs influence behaviour, regardless of their veracity, and false beliefs that cause big behavioural changes matter very much indeed.
In this particular case, belief in AGW is causing humanity to waste time, energy and other resources in a pathetic attempt to influence something that we cannot influence. Meanwhile real threats to civilisation and life on earth (problems such as unsustainable population increases, the spread of Islam, and loss of biodiversity) are neglected or exacerbated even though they are matters we actually could positively influence.
The AGW belief is also used to justify more taxes and more central control and many of our fellow inhabitants of the planet applaud and encourage this reduction in our liberty — all because they subscribe to the AGW hypothesis.
YiZhangZhe on February 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM
Whenever I fart, the climate in the house changes…..
44Magnum on February 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM
Sir. And I apologize. I owe you a monitor. Make sure to burn your current one.
rbj on February 6, 2010 at 9:33 PM
I think that anywhere you find mass discontent with the “establishment,” as you will in Britain, you’ll also find increasing skepticism of theories expounded and promoted by that establishment. The Brits have also just been told that the swine flu scare is over (and never even got started) – this after being told that hundreds of thousands could die just weeks ago. The establishment has lied and cried wolf too many times and in the process they’ve ruined whatever credibility they had left. You could tell the British public that a meteorite the size of Belgium was set to hit Earth in one week and they’d just go “meh” and change the channel.
Sharke on February 6, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Ok, have they found any claims from the IPCC that are in fact accurate? They seem to find one every few days that is completely unsupported; I’m wondering now if any of their “science” is really science.
gekkobear on February 6, 2010 at 9:58 PM
LOL from shick in Glen Burnie, MD
shick on February 7, 2010 at 2:23 AM
Years ago my ex-brother-in-law found out my sister (ever a spiteful female) had run up $500 on a phone he had not disconnected when he dumped her. He faxed her demanding that she pay the bill. She faxed back a copy of a check for $500.
E9RET on February 7, 2010 at 1:02 PM
The expertise of one who has spent many months studying the claims of the AGW’ers. It was obviously a scam 15 years ago. The rest of the world is finally catching on.
MarkTheGreat on February 8, 2010 at 7:55 AM
Archimedes on February 6, 2010 at 5:28 PM
Arch, old buddy. Most of the world’s ice is not floating. If it melted, it would raise the sea’s level.
MarkTheGreat on February 8, 2010 at 7:56 AM
They spelled the names of the propagandists who wrote it correctly.
MarkTheGreat on February 8, 2010 at 7:58 AM
In most states, he should be able to deposit such a check.
MarkTheGreat on February 8, 2010 at 7:59 AM
The sheeple are beginning to awaken.
TrickyDick on February 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM