Where is Holder’s list of 300 convicted terrorists?
posted at 10:57 am on February 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Last year, when Republicans criticized the law-enforcement model of counterterrorism adopted by the Obama administration, Attorney General Eric Holder rebutted the argument by claiming that the US had successfully imprisoned 300 terrorists through the federal court system. This came as news to Congress, since the sudden wave of terrorists had escaped their notice, and Senator Jon Kyl asked Holder to supply him with a list of the cases. And to this day, Kyl is … still asking:
But there’s one serious factual debate going on about Holder’s letter, and that concerns those “300 individuals.” Just who are they?
It turns out some lawmakers have been trying for months to get an answer. They’re not saying the claim is false — they just want to see what it’s based on. But so far they haven’t been able to find out. …
Weeks passed, and then months, with no response. Then, last October, Kyl got an answer, of sorts, from Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich. Citing federal regulations, Weich said he “cannot provide … a list of Bureau of Prisons inmates,” although he said the department could give Kyl “briefings about terrorism suspects housed in federal prisons generally.”
As for whether the inmates’ crimes are comparable with those of high-value prisoners at Guantanamo, Weich responded, “A number of individuals with a history of, or nexus to, international or domestic terrorism are currently being held in federal prisons, each of whom was tried and convicted in a [civilian] court. The attorney general considers all crimes of terrorism to be serious.”
Weich’s words raised all sorts of red flags. “History of, or nexus to” — what did that mean, precisely? “International or domestic terrorism” — what about that? Just who was the Justice Department including in the 300 figure?
On Nov. 18, Holder appeared again before the Judiciary Committee. Asked yet again, he was perfectly agreeable. “I will supply you with those 300 names and what they were convicted of,” Holder said. “I’ll be glad to do that.”
Now, two and a half more months have passed, with no answer. And in Holder’s new letter, he repeats the “300 individuals” claim.
Unfortunately, Americans have some experience with government officials basing arguments on lists that don’t really exist. Since Holder and Barack Obama claim that we have these men in prison through the federal courts, the names should be open to the public. They have used this argument for nine months, and have yet to provide any proof of its veracity.
As Byron York points out, they have also attempted to alter the meaning of “terrorism” as a fallback position. The men in Gitmo weren’t captured because they had a “history of” or “nexus to” terrorism, neither of which alone would cause a federal judge to throw a defendant in prison. We captured them in the acts of terrorism and conspiracy to commit terrorism, and furthermore, we captured them abroad with military and intelligence assets, not with policemen. “History” and “nexus” should be construed to mean, We didn’t convict them of terrorism but of other crimes instead.
The Obama administration appears to be creating a bit of mythology with their little list of imprisoned criminals with “histories” and “nexuses.” If the White House wants to continue making this argument, then they need to produce the list and the charges that resulted in their imprisonment.










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It’s on the same list with the jobs created by the “Stimulus”.
NoDonkey on February 5, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Eric’s just channelling Joe McCarthy:
Realist on February 5, 2010 at 11:01 AM
That is probably his projected, inspirational, number based on the number of Islamic chaplin visits to federal prisons.
GaltBlvnAtty on February 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Is lying to Congress a reason to remove an Attorney General?
Holder has got to go…
d1carter on February 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM
This is on par with the “2 million jobs” claim Obama keeps screaming about.
It’s all BS and these guys are caught flat-footed because they are completely unfamiliar with being held accountable in anything they do.
Either that, or it’s 300 right-wing religious zealots and war veterans that he is talking about.
Mord on February 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM
They got that number the same place they got the number for their “Saved or Created” jobs. The sun never shines there.
kingsjester on February 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM
The 300 terrorists must be held in the unknown zip codes and congressional seats.
fourdeucer on February 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Look at the unemployment numbers. All they have to do is keep repeating and repeating. If pressed for a list, they’ll make one up. But Holder and Obama are betting that this subject will be dropped before they are forced to come up with a list.
I’m betting on Holder in this one.
ORconservative on February 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM
The Most Open and Honest Administration Ever .. Ocean Front Property in Arizona …Anyone !!
wheels on February 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM
With these people the first liar doesn’t stand a chance because there’s always someone trying to one-up them.
thomasaur on February 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM
They’re just making stuff up as the go along.
changer1701 on February 5, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Providing this information would violate the terrorists right to privacy…
huskerdiva on February 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Well if that’s the case, Obama has to go too.
Knucklehead on February 5, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Holder created or saved 300 terrorists?
hawksruleva on February 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM
I don’t believe he has responded to requests for his reasoning on dropping the charges against the voter intimidating Black Panthers, either.
a capella on February 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Sounds good to me…
d1carter on February 5, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Why does the term “impeachment” keep entering my mind????
huskerdiva on February 5, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Fine by me.
This is the most transparently corrupt administration ever.
rbj on February 5, 2010 at 11:14 AM
The most transparent, open government ever…
Sorry. Couldn’t hear you over the racket of my BS Alarm.
Crusader Rabbit on February 5, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Kid of like my son making $hit up about finishing his homework when he was 8 years old.
Johnnyreb on February 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM
There needs to be a looong stinky investigation of this administration when(if) we take back the gov’t in ’12. Forget precedent of letting the old adminstration go; there needs to be criminal investigations of nearly every one from Obama down.
Don Carne on February 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM
A commenter at the link made a good point.
Is our AG equating American citizens to terrorists who were captured overseas while plotting mass killings?
Mord on February 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Not to worry, they’ll find them when it comes time to fill out those census forms so they can vote in the 2012 election.
huskerdiva on February 5, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Those 300 terrorists are in the same place as Obama’s birth certificate. (sorry, I just had to do it)
mizflame98 on February 5, 2010 at 11:17 AM
I wonder if any of these characters are on Holder’s alleged list.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM
The next time he appears:
“Mr. Holder, if you cannot produce the list today, I am going move for an indepent counsel to investigate you for lying to this committtee.”
Never happen this year, maybe next year if the House switches.
barnone on February 5, 2010 at 11:19 AM
They just can’t let a bad lie go. Seriously, WTH?! Would it not be easier to just let it die?
abobo on February 5, 2010 at 11:19 AM
If he was testifying to Congress under oath and lied, then he may have perjured himself. The problem is that his statement is so weaselly (what does “terrorism-related” mean?) that he can make the case he believed that his statement was truthful.
Insomniac on February 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM
By long and stinky I mean all encompasing to the point of it embarrasing the country. Yeah you don’t want to air dirty laundry, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
Don Carne on February 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM
My goodness. The Obama administration making up statistics and numbers to suit themselves?
How unexpected.
Midas on February 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM
A little OT, but Obama’s post-SOTU polling bounce was of the dead cat variety.
EnglishMike on February 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Yeah, not much of a surprise there.
Same thing happening to my stocks, I think.
Midas on February 5, 2010 at 11:25 AM
mine too :-(
huskerdiva on February 5, 2010 at 11:26 AM
They can’t can’t let go of this lie, because like a lot of Liberals (especially our Trolls), they believe they are telling a undocumented truth.
kingsjester on February 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Rewrite:
“Attorney General Eric Holder rebutted the argument by claiming that
the USAttorney General Eric Holder had successfully imagined, made up or fantacized that the US had imprisoned 300 terrorists”albill on February 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Why do we let Holder and Obama set the terms of the argument anyway, let them argue that military tribunals are less effective and less efficient than criminal trials.
fourdeucer on February 5, 2010 at 11:32 AM
Mythology….how appropriate. From The One who launched his presidency ascending through Greek Columns, ending up with his head in the clouds.
ziggyville on February 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Maybe Holder means Tea Partiers…
Jed1899 on February 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM
THIS IS SPARTA!!!
Seven Percent Solution on February 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Congress to the AG: Ummmm, what?
They count terrorist like they count jobs saved and created.
ted c on February 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Interesting list of folks being held at the supermax prison in CO which includes several of the terrorists convicted of the 1993 WTC attack and the 1998 embassy bombings. For some reason this sort of supports the argument that using the law enforcement model doesn’t deter terrorism, since correct me if I am wrong but weren’t these guys in jail when the 9/11 attacks were carried out?
Doesn’t seem to have had much effect.
Just A Grunt on February 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM
you couldn’t write this stuff any funnier…
ted c on February 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Huh?! What “federal regulations” prevent the Attorney General from disclosing the names of federal prisoners to the Senate?
Bull-effing-sh!t.
Jaibones on February 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Oh, he’ll release a list, it’ll look like this:
1.Classified
2.Classified
3.Classified
4.Classified
5.Classified
6.Classified
etc…
portlandon on February 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM
I would not be a BIT surprised if those weren’t counted as JOBS SAVED by this administration.
RealMc on February 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Like so many other O’Baaahma appointees, Holder is a talentless leftist clown appointed for the color of his skin and his political ideology, not his qualifications or capabilities.
He’s a clown.
Jaibones on February 5, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Three hundred convicted terrorists saved or created.
No, wait, that would be captured and tried.
No? Maybe coddled and mirandized?
That doesn’t work? Maybe it’s three hundred terrorists that will be definitely tried and jailed, after we find and capture them?
Damn, I’m so-o-o-o confused.
Yoop on February 5, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Linky…
Seven Percent Solution on February 5, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Clouds? I’ve always called those buttocks. Who knew?
Aviator on February 5, 2010 at 11:40 AM
saved or created convicted terrorists…
PatriotRider on February 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Bill Ayers on that list Holder?
gatorboy on February 5, 2010 at 11:42 AM
They LIE!!
bridgetown on February 5, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Let me get this straight…
You can look up on the Internet persons registered as ‘sex offenders’ living in your neighborhood, but Congress can’t get a list of persons who have been ‘convicted’ of ‘terrorism’ according to the Attorney General of the United States?
Lying to a police officer is a serious offense…
… shouldn’t lying to Congress be at least an infraction?
Seven Percent Solution on February 5, 2010 at 11:43 AM
I am guessing it is in the same file as the missing CRU global temperature data.
Lily on February 5, 2010 at 11:44 AM
The more Democrats make these wild claims with absolutely NO evidence to back them up, the worse things will be for them in November.
So far, this is turning out to be a very good year for conservatives, and for conservatism.
UltimateBob on February 5, 2010 at 11:46 AM
The list was with the global warming data…the dog ate it…
right2bright on February 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Washington Post article from 2005 citing 39 terrorists convictions in America. The purpose of the article to question the Bush administration’s assertions by Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez of 400 terrorists in prison.
How is it the press could get the information back then but can’t now? Guess it is all that openness and transparency.
Just A Grunt on February 5, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Yeaj, and that list is in pne of those, forgive me, phantom zip zones(codes).
You’ll never be able to hold your breath for the length of time needed for Holder’s department to come through with the list.
larvcom on February 5, 2010 at 11:52 AM
You lie, Holder.
DrStock on February 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM
How much do you want to bet that Holder came up with this number by including drug cartel convictions?
That would explain his reluctance to release a list.
John on February 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Liars lie. Its what they do.
He’s probably puzzled and wondering what the problem is.
Itchee Dryback on February 5, 2010 at 11:55 AM
What Holder meant to say was that the criminal justice system has saved or created 300 terrorists.
Ordinary American on February 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Better question, where is Holder?
Everyone is crapping on his dopey KSM trial in NYC, yet we haven’t seen him near a microphone or camera in months.
fogw on February 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM
First comment won it.
daesleeper on February 5, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Maybe they meant those dangerous rightwingers that Big Sis was talking about…
joeindc44 on February 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM
The first rule of lies is: never ever admit you lied.
AnotherOpinion on February 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Terrorism suspects in prison, not terrorism convicts. Imprisoned terrorists, not convicted terrorists. These people parse every statement and you can’t believe one word that comes out of their mouths.
mchristian on February 5, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Quit asking Holder. Ask Dick Durbin. He declared on the house floor in May of last year that there were 347 prisoners convicted of terrorism in federal prisons. Obviously he has a list. Right. Right?
Just A Grunt on February 5, 2010 at 12:05 PM
And O.J. will find the real killer, and the 2004 Democrat “candidate” for President will release all of his military records for public inspection.
Del Dolemonte on February 5, 2010 at 12:09 PM
what do you think the root cause of why the left must insist that these outlaws must be treated as Criminals and not as Martial matters?
jp on February 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM
quick solution: re-classify all non-jihadist that blew something up, anything, as “terrorist” and presto: well over 300 probably.
only way out of this pickle most likely.
jp on February 5, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Obama administration: A lie told repeatedly will become accepted as fact. History can be rewritten.
maryo on February 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Enough of your questions! We won. Just take our word for it.
Alden Pyle on February 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM
So, these people were tried, convicted, and sentenced all in secret? I thought only the military can hold a closed door trial to protect national security interests, but those accused are named publicly, and their sentences if convicted are also public.
It’s public information any time someone like a Mafia type is sentenced and is going to Federal prison.
Something’s fishy here. Either there are no such ‘terrorists’ or the government is holding secret trials of unnamed persons–true banana republic stuff.
Where is the ACLU on this?
Liam on February 5, 2010 at 12:17 PM
The names “Bill Ayers” and “Bernadine Dorn” don’t appear on any such list. We know that much at least.
landshark on February 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM
COME ON PEOPLE! To Holder and Zero every GOP is a terrorist! So there are,
178 Terrorists in the House
41 Terrorists in the Senate
81 Terrorists left in Gitmo
Total 300 Terrorists!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on February 5, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Lets see….. anyone with internet access can go to the Fedreal Bureau of Prisons website and do an inmate search but
Senator Kyl can’t get that info?
Firmworm on February 5, 2010 at 12:39 PM
There are at least 300 people Obama knows personally who could be used to fill in this dubious category adequately, beginning with Bill Ayers and Berardine Dohrn…
profitsbeard on February 5, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Holder means that 300 terror convictions have been saved or created.
edshepp on February 5, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Is there a list somewhere of all the stupid numbers this administration throws out?
Funny thing about numbers. They can be tracked. And unlike the debt numbers most people can count to 300.
Obama and his cronies are the biggest liars in history! We should have billboards all over the country highlighting the lies.
Make them rebut the lies. If there is proof for the 3 million jobs… let’s see it! If there are 300 terrorists in prison let’s see them!
Put billboard graph’s of Bush’s deficit compared to Obama’s!
With a big asterisk that says Bush wouldn’t sign that last Democrat budget and Obama did!
There are so many concrete facts! So many. We have to get the fact in front of the people who don’t watch news!
If people really saw the truth Obama’s numbers would be in the teens.
petunia on February 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM
I know. It is so amazing to hear the spin and realize they don’t even consider what they are saying is unethical!
petunia on February 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I think that’s the point. There aren’t 300 terrorist convictions. Holder is lying.
petunia on February 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM
It’s one thing to tell this lie on the campaign trail. But in congressional testimony this should draw serious consequences. Holder must go if he does not fully vindicates this claim.
John E. on February 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Are we sure these terrorists aren’t people of different political affiliations? After all…I noticed the word “Islamic” wasn’t at the beginning of terrorists.
capejasmine on February 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM
At an otherwise obscure political event in West Virginia, a political hack waved around a stack of papers and declared, “I have here the names of thousands of Communists who are part of this Administration.”
As the years progressed…seems we have not progressed at all.
The names of 300 “convicted” terrorists?
This Attorney General needs to be removed. Sooner rather than later. As the old saying back in the late 60′s went, “If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.”
Holder is the problem.
coldwarrior on February 5, 2010 at 1:24 PM
That’s what I was implying. You at least need a name to attempt a search but I don’t believe it’s classified info.
Firmworm on February 5, 2010 at 1:26 PM
This is in the same class as “all 57 states.”
chewmeister on February 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Gee, maybe this is more serious than we thought.
Maybe Holder has been doing secret trials? =;-)
Somebody should ask….
ElRonaldo on February 5, 2010 at 1:37 PM
baldilocks on February 5, 2010 at 2:50 PM
I’m glad to see this being addressed. A guy on Morning Joe was using this 300 number this morning and it sent me on a google search. All I could find were the talking points coming from various Democrats.
Of course, their favorite example is Richard Reid, but can that case really be used as the standard bearer?
Reid attempted to take down Flight 63 only a few months after 9/11. He is an American Citizen. He was taken into custody in Boston on American soil. Don’t all of those factors have to be plugged into the equation?
Everything going forward from 9/11/2001 was a learning process. This country had never dealt with an attack of this magnitude from such an enemy. Much of what was learned led to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which established the authority to try terrorists by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes.
So, when they speak of these 300 terrorists sitting in prisons across this country (that got by most of us that follow the news daily), more specifics are needed. Are any of these people American citizens? How many of them were tried before October 2006? Did their crimes clearly violate the law of war?
It is completely erroneous and dangerous to use the shoe bomber as an example of how this country should proceed with this war on terror. God help us all, if we have not learned anything at all between December 2001 and February 2010.
joedoe on February 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Hey, give ‘em a break! Remember, this is the Administration of “Jus’ makin’ shit up”.
GarandFan on February 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM
The list is under the same lock down as The Unprecedented’s school transcripts, medical records, written classwork and passport application. Or it doesn’t exist. Please stop asking, Eric’s busy drafting his sequel to his “cowards about race” speech of one year ago.
ya2daup on February 5, 2010 at 3:42 PM
That yet another member of Messiah & Co. is an empty suit is no longer surprising.
I’ll bet he’s one brilliant campaigner, tho.
n0doz on February 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Jerxes
justltl on February 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM