Obama: “Every economist” says I saved or created 2 million jobs

posted at 9:30 am on February 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Jake Tapper is a little confused, and so am I.  The White House supposedly abandoned the “saved or created” jobs metric because of its fantasy elements and prefers now to count jobs “funded” through Porkulus, an order that came from one of the chief economists in the White House, Peter Orszag. So why did Obama claim to a Nashua, New Hampshire audience on Tuesday that he had “saved or created” two million jobs?

“Now, if you hear some of the critics, they’ll say, well, the Recovery Act, I don’t know if that’s really worked, because we still have high unemployment,” the president said. “But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of  million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost. The problem is, 7 million jobs were lost during the course of  this recession.”

Every economist?  A good rule of thumb to consider the truthfulness of any speaker is his use of the terms always, never, none, all, and every.  Those terms usually provide a key for a lie or a gap in knowledge — and Tapper points out the truth:

At the end of November, Congressional Budget office Director Douglas Elmendorf wrote that because of the stimulus bill “in the third quarter of calendar year 2009, an additional 600,000 to 1.6 million people were employed in the United States..”

But clearly other economists are much more skeptical, including Dan Mitchell at the libertarian Cato Institute, and J.D. Foster at The Heritage Foundation.

Some economists say the whole notion of counting “saved or created” jobs is impossible. Harvard University labor economist Lawrence Katz told ProPublica that trying to count how many jobs have been saved or created is “a silly exercise.”

And in fact, in December the Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag issued a directive scrapping the whole “saved or created” construct.

Why is the “saved or created” meme “a silly exercise”?  Economic policies will get judged on whether they promote growth in both production and jobs.  On that metric, Obama flopped in his first year.  Prior to the 2007 recession, the US started on the path of both production and job growth within 12 months of the start of the recession.  Obama took office in the 13th month, three months after a financial collapse.  Twelve months later, we’re still shedding jobs with no end in sight.  That’s the real measure of economic policy, and so far, Obama’s failing.

The White House only documented 650,000 jobs supposedly saved or created — and that was when the construct collapsed.  The counts included jobs that were never at risk in the first place, double-counted some jobs, counted jobs that had yet to be created, and so on.  The most infamous of these claims involved a single lawnmower that supposedly saved or created 50 jobs.  In the end, even the man in charge of the website that proclaimed these supposed victories admitted that he could not certify any of the data at Recovery.gov last November — which is why Orszag told his OMB staff to stop claiming jobs “saved or created.”

Apparently, that memo didn’t get to Obama, or more likely, Obama simply likes to make claims that are flat-out false, and the use of “every” is a the key to understanding that.  “Every economist” doesn’t buy the 2 million saved or created claim; in fact, not every economist in his own administration would support that claim, because it isn’t true, and Obama knows it.


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I just love the republican thought:

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

That will do everything. We don’t even need economists, just cut taxes for every problem. Let’s cut taxes until it’s 0, then our society will be a utopia where everyone shits skittles!

/s

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Cite your sources.
Quotes please.

go do your own research. google their opinions on the stimulus.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:10 AM

YOU are the one making the claim, so YOU are the one who should be providing the proof.

The fact that that you can’t indicates a lot about your supposed facts, doesn’t it?

Chip on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Normally I want trolls to stop, but this is too amusing!

barnone on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

isn’t the cato institute a conservative think tank?

I’m pretty sure Obama is referring to nonpartisan economists…either left or right.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:09 AM

1) It’s libertarian, not conservative.

2) First you claim that anybody on the right is partisan, then you say that Barry was only looking for those on the left or right who aren’t partisan.

3) Didn’t they teach you anything in school about the dangers of contradicting yourself?

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:21 AM

YOU are the one making the claim, so YOU are the one who should be providing the proof.

The fact that that you can’t indicates a lot about your supposed facts, doesn’t it?

Chip on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Reminds me of AnninCA…

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

are you serious?
They’re spending right now to get us out of a recession. You know, like how Bush passed rebates so Americans could shop more…same idea.
read a paper every once…it helps.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Did this fool just compare gov spending, via taxpayers money to taxpayers receiving a rebate and spending or saving as they see fit?

Does this fool actually think the 2 are the same?

Odie1941 on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

From the latest PPP report, hardly a Conservative source:
“Only 11% of Americans say that their economic situation has improved over the last year… 11%.”

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/the-obama-disaster-only-11-say-economy-better-since-dems-passed-787-stimulus/

mrt721 on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

$27 million in Porkulus money spent in nonexistent zip codes
posted at 9:30 am on January 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Those nonexistent zip codes were carefully targeted.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

go do your own research. google their opinions on the stimulus.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Translation:
I’m lying.
I’ve been caught,
I’m going to try and tough it out.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

First you claim that anybody on the right is partisan

no, there are certain thinktanks that skew a certain way, both liberal and conservative.

They would all be considered partisan.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM

They’re spending right now to get us out of a recession. You know, like how Bush passed rebates so Americans could shop more…same idea.

read a paper every once…it helps.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:12 AM

No genius…your liberal Messiah is spending right now to buy votes,finance the liberal agenda like strengthening the unions,and push pet projects……..

…..if he was spending to help the economy…it would be getting better……

The fact you get your news from a “newspaper” is probably why you come off looking so much like a fool right now.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM

They’re spending right now to get us out of a recession.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Hmm
Deficit spending by a Republican bad, even evil.
Deficit spending by a Democrat good, will generate unicorns.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Those nonexistent zip codes were carefully targeted.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

To funnel money to liberal pet causes.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I just love the republican thought:

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

That will do everything. We don’t even need economists, just cut taxes for every problem. Let’s cut taxes until it’s 0, then our society will be a utopia where everyone shits skittles!

/s

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

You get an economy going by giving business the money to do business with. You get people to spend by giving them money to spend. In each instance it’s money that belongs to business or people that the government has forcibly taken.

What is it you can’t understand?

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

The fact you get your news from a “newspaper” is probably why you come off looking so much like a fool right now.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM

I’m pretty sure that PS is coming off looking so much like a fool right now is because he/she/it is posting.

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I just love the republican thought:

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

That will do everything. We don’t even need economists, just cut taxes for every problem. Let’s cut taxes until it’s 0, then our society will be a utopia where everyone shits skittles!
/s
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Please show us a country where Socialism/Communism or Cloward Piven Strategy has ever worked. I don’t really expect you to be able to, because it never has. The best thing Obama and his minions can do is to cut the size of his Federal government, lower taxes and get the He@@ out of the way and let Americans work. Regarding your last profane comment, how is your unicorn? Do you have to clean up after it?

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

You know why, becuase I can stillrespect someone I disagree with. You guys can’t.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Does this apply to treasonous lepers?

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I don’t need a survey, unlike you, I choose to believe OUR President, you treasonous leper.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Are you Bob Beckel and Alan Colmes love child?

katy the mean old lady on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Does this fool actually think the 2 are the same?

Odie1941 on February 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Yep. Vegas? Boats? Choices!

Electrongod on February 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM

That would be ‘Crist’. Read a paper every once in awhile.

oh noes…I spelled his name wrong. Now let me go selfasphyxiate myself!

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Palin Steele: “Obama has successfully ended the recession, designed a car that gets 100 miles per gallon, captured Bin Laden and cured cancer.”

HotAirhead: “How about some proof?”

Palin Steele: “Google it.”

LOL.

fogw on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Maybe I missed it but I did not see Palin Steele in the new unemployment numbers thread. Also, she seems to be awfully well behaved, unlike her trolling at Ace of Spades.

Howcome on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

CNN – July 5th, 2009: House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said allocating the $787 billion in the stimulus package pushed by President Barack Obama to create jobs was taking too long.

But..but..but..it was supposed to be carefully apportioned over a three year period?

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Please show us a country where Socialism/Communism or Cloward Piven Strategy has ever worked.

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Does this apply to treasonous lepers?

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Oh, SNAP!!!

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM

I don’t need a survey, unlike you, I choose to believe OUR President, you treasonous leper.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Seems rather mindless. Blind obedience is never good as the citizens of Germany found out.

Aviator on February 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Truth is a single grain of sand on Obama’s beach and you expect him to take note of it?

Extrafishy on February 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM

I just love the republican thought:

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

That will do everything. We don’t even need economists, just cut taxes for every problem. Let’s cut taxes until it’s 0, then our society will be a utopia where everyone shits skittles!

/s

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Have you noticed the areas that have the most government intervention for the last 30 some odd years are still the worst downtrodden areas today? Those are your tax dollars at work. Arent you proud that we blew billions nay trillions? on blighted hellholes? That is your utopia.

canditaylor68 on February 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM

We need to boycott Hot Air until Ed and Allah come up with a better class of troll. I mean PS is pathetic. He/she has an limited entertainment value I agree, the treasonous leper comment was comedy gold I have to admit, but as trollishness goes, way at the bottom.

Johnnyreb on February 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM

I just love the republican thought:

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

If you really can’t understand immediately how cutting taxes creates jobs much more effciently than government spending you’re probably beyond help.

AsianGirlInTights on February 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.
Check. Mate.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

I laughed. Was I supposed to laugh? Because I laughed.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM

no, referring to the florida governor christ.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM

I love the many ways you find to make yourself look really stupid.

1) The man’s name is Crist.
2) Many would deny that he’s a man of the right.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Oh I really can’t believe you said that. Would you like to recant?

You just check mated yourself champ.

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM

oh noes…I spelled his name wrong. Now let me go selfasphyxiate myself!

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Say, you are a good sport after all.

Aviator on February 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM

T H E B I G G E S T L I A R OF A L L T I M E

notagool on February 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.
Check. Mate.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM
I laughed. Was I supposed to laugh? Because I laughed.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM

I’d like DarkCurrent’s take on this…

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I’m pretty sure Obama is referring to nonpartisan economists…either left or right.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Here is another one of Palin steele’s (is she like Remington Steeles’s bizzaro sister?) partisan sources explaining how the stimulus numbers by the White House have no credibility what so ever…..


Dave Obey Chides Obama Administration For ‘Stupid Mistakes’
On Stimulus Reporting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/16/dave-obey-chides-obama-ad_n_360031.html?view=print

A powerful House Democrat used unusually harsh terms to blast the Obama administration’s manipulation of stimulus data Monday night, and demanded an honest accounting of results from the $787 billion government program.

…..only a partisan idiot would call the stimulus anything more than a failure.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.
Check. Mate.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Freedom is so highly overrated. But they do have lovely pollution, killing of baby girls, no choice in what you can grow up to be, no freedom of religion. It’s just the choice country to live in in the world. If you call that living.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

It’s worked every single time.
On the other hand, spending more money has never worked.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Obama has his own private definitions and his own private math. So technically, it isn’t a lie if he says “every economist” and “2+2=5″.

percysunshine on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

You just check mated yourself champ.

how so?

China more socialist/communist than USA – CHECK

China economy booming much greater than USA – CHECK

you lose.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26

The parts of the Chinese economy that are growing are the now capitalist parts moron. Ever been to China?

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Have you been there? Worked side-by-side with them? Lived that lifestyle?

Electrongod on February 4, 2010 at 10:32 AM

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

I was hopin’ you’d show up to kick this troll under the bridge.

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:32 AM

I’m pretty sure that PS is coming off looking so much like a fool right now is because he/she/it is posting.

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I am pretty sure you are right….as usual.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:32 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Why don’t you move there, it’s a real paradise. If by paradise you mean living like a pig in the mud.

fogw on February 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Obama Lied, the economy died.

Guest1.1 on February 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.
Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26
The parts of the Chinese economy that are growing are the now capitalist parts moron. Ever been to China?

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Smackdown. That had to leave a mark.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM

And those numbers are bogus. Check out Guy Sorman’s Empire of Lies and some of his work for City Journal.

PimFortuynsGhost on February 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM

no, there are certain thinktanks that skew a certain way, both liberal and conservative.

They would all be considered partisan.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Provide evidence to back up your claim that Cato is both partisan and untrustworthy.

You’ve already failed once in trying to correctly identify their political leanings.

Regardless, you claimed that people could be right or left and non-partisan, then you claimed that anyone who leans right is partisan.

As I asked, did you never learn anything about the dangers of contradicting yourself?

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM

The parts of the Chinese economy that are growing are the now capitalist parts moron. Ever been to China?

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Exactly. I have seen their exterior and their interior. Not what I would want for this country.

Electrongod on February 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Check. Mate.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26

The parts of the Chinese economy that are growing are the now capitalist parts moron. Ever been to China?

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

I also wonder what China’s growth rate would be if they had to deal with American regulation?

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

My guess is that Facts aren’t really that important to you Far-left National Socialist Democrats are they?

Chip on February 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

I also wonder what China’s growth rate would be if they had to deal with American regulation?

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Excellent question.

ladyingray on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

LibThink

I can stillrespect someone I disagree with. You guys can’t. Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:07 AM

I don’t need a survey, unlike you, I choose to believe OUR President, you treasonous leper. Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Akzed on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Why don’t you move there, it’s a real paradise. If by paradise you mean living like a pig in the mud.

fogw on February 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Hey! I live in China and not like a pig in the mud. I live in a luxury apartment built by a private Chinese company.

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

oh noes…I spelled his name wrong. Now let me go selfasphyxiate myself!

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM

You are the one who claimed that you are familiar enough with the governor that you can claim without a doubt to know his economic positions. Yet you can’t even spell his name right.

Such simple errors throw much doubt on your claims.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

regarding china:

I was asked where a communist/socialist system provided a better economic growth.

I said China which is true.

Now you guys are conflating the social issues because you realize you’ve been checkmated.

Pathetic. I expected better.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

10% of the Chinese population lives on the equivalent of less than $125 per year (for you libs, that equals about $10 per month).

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM

how so?

China more socialist/communist than USA – CHECK

China economy booming much greater than USA – CHECK

you lose.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

To stimulate growth China has loosened it’s communist grip and allowed free enterprise and low taxes. The government reaps the rewards of the economic boom. It’s doing what we should be doing … getting out of the way of people and business. It’s what made America great and getting away from that is what’s killing us now.

For further info … try Google.

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I don’t need a survey, unlike you, I choose to believe OUR President, you treasonous leper.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Its nice to know that you think that anyone who disagrees with the president is a “treasonous leper”. I hope Palin Steele agreed 100% with everything Bush did.
Why cant you provide good solid reasoning to persuade others to come around to your way of thinking?

canditaylor68 on February 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Ignoring for one second that those numbers were calculated on the back of a napkin, you are aware of the “catch-up” factor in calculating growth rates, correct?

Oh, who am I kidding. Of course it doesn’t. PS probably has a degree in Transgender Multi-Ethnic Performance Art from Vermont. Not a lot of IPE taught in those types of programs.

PimFortuynsGhost on February 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

China…where economic growth is 10%.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM

According to govt sources.
According to experts who examine the actual data from China, growth is much lower, if it is growing at all.

BTW, the only parts of China that are growing are those that have abandoned socialism. Hong Kong is it’s strongest growth region.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Hey! I live in China and not like a pig in the mud. I live in a luxury apartment built by a private Chinese company.

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Great. But I wasn’t referring to Shanghai, rather the rest of China where they still use horse carts and don’t have indoor plumbing.

fogw on February 4, 2010 at 10:38 AM

isn’t the cato institute a conservative think tank?

I’m pretty sure Obama is referring to nonpartisan economists…either left or right.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:09 AM


This doesn’t even make sense. First, the CATO institute is Libertarian, but for your argument, let’s say it is conservative. You say the “Obama is referring to nonpartisan economists…either left or right.” I would say the CATO Institute is then a right-leaning non-partisan group. Therefore, it would meet your criteria based on your argument. To be partisan, then it would be a “Republican” think tank. Since it isn’t a “Republican” think tank, it is non-partisan.

bernanke
paulson
bush
christ
etc

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:02 AM


Are you saying Jesus supported the stimulus? Well, you really have to provide a credible source for that. Oh wait, that is right, Obama is “Christ” in your mind. I forgot you leftists only worship him. Then I guess you are correct, your “Christ” did support the stimulus.

DoS_Conservative on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

10% of the Chinese population lives on the equivalent of less than $125 per year (for you libs, that equals about $10 per month).

and their COL (cost of living) is like $5 a month.

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I’m pretty sure Obama is referring to nonpartisan economists…either left or right.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:09 AM


More partisans calling the stimulus reporting a fraud,or “hard to believe”:


CBS News: Obama’s Just Kinda Making Stuff Up About Jobs “Saved or Created”

Katie Couric is not even buying it:Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxYIHl0Ozbg&feature=player_embedded

When the WH demanded that those who received Spendulus money “report” back on how many jobs were “saved or created,” they insisted upon a nonsensical rule: If a single dollar of Spendulus was spent on an employee’s salary, whether that employee was a new employee or an old one, that gets counted as a job “saved or created.” If he’s a new employee, that job was created. If he’s an existing employee, that job was saved.
For $1
.

Yes, $1. Because the nonsensical rules the White House told these people to count “saved or created” jobs by simply stated: If any employee’s salary is paid, in whole or in part (any part!), count that as a job “saved or created” by the spending.

And then report that number back to us.

This is not job creation Palin….it is nothing but a shell game to cook the books and provide talking points for pathetic liberals like yourself.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

You started it with “I think he means every ‘credible’ economist that he’s talked to”.

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM

.
And the only economists he has talked to are the a$$ kissers that work for him in the WH.

Dasher on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

No, you stupid bint, you were asked to provide an example of a country with a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist economy that provided a better standard of living than a democratic state. You can’t, because it (like Ogabe’s law school transcripts) does not exist.

PimFortuynsGhost on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

China more socialist/communist than USA – CHECK

China economy booming much greater than USA – CHECK

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Wrong on both counts.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Hey! I live in China and not like a pig in the mud. I live in a luxury apartment built by a private Chinese company.

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Hey, didn’t know that! What part of the country? We have some friends who are missionaries in Beijing, been thinking of going over there with our kids for a two week missionary trip.

Midas on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

He is nearing rock bottom and he is starting to dig.

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

That means 1,226 hard-rock miners jobs have been created or saved. Now, THAT was unexpected.

Yoop on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

LOL

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Great. But I wasn’t referring to Shanghai, rather the rest of China where they still use horse carts and don’t have indoor plumbing.

fogw on February 4, 2010 at 10:38 AM

My point is China is growing rapidly because of the introduction of capitalism after so many decades of being retarded by Communism.

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Well Darkcurrent….this proves outright she has no idea what is going on in China.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I love the many ways you find to make yourself look really stupid.

1) The man’s name is Crist.
2) Many would deny that he’s a man of the right.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Good points. Crist is “so right”, polls have Marco Rubio +3, 4 months after Crist had a 30 point lead in Florida’s Rep Senate primary…

This race is a better indicator of American sentiments, if you ask me. As unemployment grows the current Rep Governor is getting crushed by a latino male conservative from the Miami region (11th district).

And yet – Charlie continues to host Bambi, pose for photo ops, policy sidings, etc. – as his numbers plummet each week.

Me thinks Crist is headed towards a Cabinet position in 2011 and us Floridians be damned…

Odie1941 on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Are you saying Jesus supported the stimulus?

no, was referring to florida governor. misspelled his name…let me kill myself now.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I was asked where a communist/socialist system provided a better economic growth.

I said China which is true.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Be careful what you wish for. I have been there on the high-tech side of industry. Safe work conditions are non-existent. I witnessed several workers fall to their death because of no OSHA style regulations. All of these work safety standards come at a price that China is willing to skimp on.

Electrongod on February 4, 2010 at 10:41 AM

let me kill myself now.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Please do. One less lefty bint f#cking up things.

PimFortuynsGhost on February 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM

I think this “Palin Steele” character may be a retard. I’ll check with Rahm.

Hucklebuck on February 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM

was asked where a communist/socialist system provided a better economic growth.

I said China which is true.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

We pointed out that what you said wasn’t true, and detailed exactly why. Including a guy who actually lives in China.

The only thing true, is that you are incapable of dealing with reality.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM

I just love the republican thought:

ANY and EVERY economic problem you face…what’s the solution…CUT TAXES.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM

.
You know, when you put it that way, I love Republican thought too!

ronsfi on February 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM

listen bozo, it was not only Obama who said this. Many on both the right and left thought the stimulus would stop the job losses. No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Cite your sources please.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Bernanke? Paulson? Bush?

Which of them claimed the stimulus would create millions of jobs? Bush never commented on the stimulus, he has never commented on anything Obama has done. He has too much class for that.

And why if what you say is true, did not one single Republican vote for this crap in the House? Two idiots voted for it in the Senate and one of them jumped to the other side and the other is a liberal in sheep’s clothing.

Jvette on February 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

That includes aborting female fetuses. Boys only please. What a great country, why they are light years ahead of us.

fogw on February 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM

no, was referring to florida governor. misspelled his name…let me kill myself now.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Noooooooooo! You’re way too much fun!

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Hey, didn’t know that! What part of the country?

Midas on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Shanghai

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Behold – the keen power of the liberal mind!

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Oh, who am I kidding. Of course it doesn’t. PS probably has a degree in Transgender Multi-Ethnic Performance Art from Vermont. Not a lot of IPE taught in those types of programs.

PimFortuynsGhost on February 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

You are assuming that PS is old enough to be in college.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:44 AM

It’s “so” because Barry says it is. End of argument. The sun also rises every day BECAUSE BARRY PERMITS IT.

GarandFan on February 4, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Be careful what you wish for. I have been there on the high-tech side of industry. Safe work conditions are non-existent. I witnessed several workers fall to their death because of no OSHA style regulations. All of these work safety standards come at a price that China is willing to skimp on.

Electrongod on February 4, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Bbbbut I’m sure China paid for their funerals!

/Palin Steele

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM

no, was referring to florida governor. misspelled his name…let me kill myself now.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

No need to kill yourself, but you might keep this in mind when you start sarcastically casting aspersions on other people for not being informed, reading papers once in awhile, etc.

Midas on February 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM

and their COL (cost of living) is like $5 a month.
also they have universal healthcare.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

You leper, under $125 in China is considered “very low income” while $90 is considered “absolute poverty”.

As for universal health care, you beclown yourself yet again. China does not have UHC (universal health care), in fact they are only now thinking of instituting such a plan which would take full effect by 2020.

This all stands in contrast to China’s current system, which provides little government funding to government hospitals and requires patients to pay heavy out-of-pocket expenses.

-Wall Street Journal-

You need to try harder.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM

and their COL (cost of living) is like $5 a month.

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

$5 a month, if you don’t mind living on rice and dirty water.
Healthcare if you don’t mind waiting years to get a broken arm fixed.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM

blockquote>and their COL (cost of living) is like $5 a month.

also they have universal healthcare.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

$5 a month? Why don’t you come to China and try to live on $5 a month. I’ll help you get settled. You’ll love the health care.

DarkCurrent on February 4, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Now, if you hear some of the critics, they’ll say, well, the Recovery Act, I don’t know if that’s really worked, because we still have high unemployment,” the president said. “But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost. The problem is, 7 million jobs were lost during the course of this recession.”

Palin Steele, CHANGE the record into WHAT YOU CAN BELIEVE.

“Every economist [insert later equivocations]” is in my back pocket.–BHO, The “You Lie” President of Antipathy

maverick muse on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

I think he means every ‘credible’ economist that he’s talked to. You’re prob leaving out some important qualifier to ‘every’ modifier.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

You WISH an important qualifier could be inserted at will.

Revisionist.

maverick muse on February 4, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Healthcare if you don’t mind waiting years to get a broken arm fixed.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Hey! Why are you complaining? It’s ‘free’ – which means it’s humane. /SARC

gwelf on February 4, 2010 at 10:47 AM

We pointed out that what you said wasn’t true, and detailed exactly why. Including a guy who actually lives in China.

The only thing true, is that you are incapable of dealing with reality.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Sounds ‘unexpectedly’ like the typical Obama supporter.

Midas on February 4, 2010 at 10:48 AM

China???

Hahaha. wow thats rich. Never mind that Mao’s “5 essentials” have yet to be achieved by 80% of the country… 50 years later. Never mind blatant patent and trademark violations. Never mind zero accountability for anything they produce (lead toys, deadly dog food, spray painted smog-laden mountains with green paint and green food coloring for streams). Never mind a firm grip on every and any communication internally and externally. Never mind no human rights, no civilian rights, no freedom.

You do know China is now heavily involved in Iraqi oil field production, right?

You do know their gov spending actually spent money in each sector specifically to incur growth, which they have the results to qualify said growth.

I dont know whats worse – elevating China vs America or the fact even Obama and his liberal minions can’t follow China and get something right.

Yeah – China’s “success” should be the beacon to all Americans.

Odie1941 on February 4, 2010 at 10:48 AM

China more socialist/communist than USA – CHECK

China economy booming much greater than USA – CHECK

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Glad you love China so much Palin….here is what they have to say about your liberal Messiah’s economic policies:


China News: Obama’s Economic Reform Is In Conformity With Marxist Doctrine

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/china-news-obamas-economic-reform-is-in.html

China’s Huanqiu News reported that Obama’s economic reform is in conformity with the Marxist Doctrine.

…The financial reform is very much of the same vein, as the U.S. wants to transform the Federal Reserve into what would be a “super regulator,” comprehensively strengthening regulation towards the financial institutions. It is also planning to establish a new financial consumer safeguard endowed with authority that far supersedes that of the current regulatory system. This way of doing things is in conformity with the Marxist doctrine of the Communist Manifesto in which Marx foretold a capitalist financial crisis. The American Foreign Policy magazine offered a very Marxist “prescription” suggesting that the “whole financial sector be turned into a public utility” — perhaps one could say, “centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.” (Communist Manifesto)

…………..Obama has not fooled them the way that Obama has fooled you.

China has this to say about your hero Obama’s economic policies:

“China has woken up. The West is a black hole with all this money being printed. The Chinese are buying raw materials because it is a much better way to use their $1.9 trillion of reserves. They get ten times the impact, and can cover their infrastructure for 50 years.”

….reading the Newspaper has really helped you out Palin Steele…your just a genius.

Baxter Greene on February 4, 2010 at 10:49 AM

I think it left; massive stomping will cause retreat.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM

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