Obama: “Every economist” says I saved or created 2 million jobs

posted at 9:30 am on February 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Jake Tapper is a little confused, and so am I.  The White House supposedly abandoned the “saved or created” jobs metric because of its fantasy elements and prefers now to count jobs “funded” through Porkulus, an order that came from one of the chief economists in the White House, Peter Orszag. So why did Obama claim to a Nashua, New Hampshire audience on Tuesday that he had “saved or created” two million jobs?

“Now, if you hear some of the critics, they’ll say, well, the Recovery Act, I don’t know if that’s really worked, because we still have high unemployment,” the president said. “But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of  million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost. The problem is, 7 million jobs were lost during the course of  this recession.”

Every economist?  A good rule of thumb to consider the truthfulness of any speaker is his use of the terms always, never, none, all, and every.  Those terms usually provide a key for a lie or a gap in knowledge — and Tapper points out the truth:

At the end of November, Congressional Budget office Director Douglas Elmendorf wrote that because of the stimulus bill “in the third quarter of calendar year 2009, an additional 600,000 to 1.6 million people were employed in the United States..”

But clearly other economists are much more skeptical, including Dan Mitchell at the libertarian Cato Institute, and J.D. Foster at The Heritage Foundation.

Some economists say the whole notion of counting “saved or created” jobs is impossible. Harvard University labor economist Lawrence Katz told ProPublica that trying to count how many jobs have been saved or created is “a silly exercise.”

And in fact, in December the Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag issued a directive scrapping the whole “saved or created” construct.

Why is the “saved or created” meme “a silly exercise”?  Economic policies will get judged on whether they promote growth in both production and jobs.  On that metric, Obama flopped in his first year.  Prior to the 2007 recession, the US started on the path of both production and job growth within 12 months of the start of the recession.  Obama took office in the 13th month, three months after a financial collapse.  Twelve months later, we’re still shedding jobs with no end in sight.  That’s the real measure of economic policy, and so far, Obama’s failing.

The White House only documented 650,000 jobs supposedly saved or created — and that was when the construct collapsed.  The counts included jobs that were never at risk in the first place, double-counted some jobs, counted jobs that had yet to be created, and so on.  The most infamous of these claims involved a single lawnmower that supposedly saved or created 50 jobs.  In the end, even the man in charge of the website that proclaimed these supposed victories admitted that he could not certify any of the data at Recovery.gov last November — which is why Orszag told his OMB staff to stop claiming jobs “saved or created.”

Apparently, that memo didn’t get to Obama, or more likely, Obama simply likes to make claims that are flat-out false, and the use of “every” is a the key to understanding that.  “Every economist” doesn’t buy the 2 million saved or created claim; in fact, not every economist in his own administration would support that claim, because it isn’t true, and Obama knows it.


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Obama: “Every economist” says I saved or created 2 million jobs

For the first time in my adult life, I feel sorry for Barack’s mother. He’s quite a handful.

JiangxiDad on February 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM

What is he smoking/sniffing/drinking?

SilentWatcher on February 4, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Idiot

trapeze on February 4, 2010 at 9:33 AM

The emperor is naked.

eforhan on February 4, 2010 at 9:33 AM

In related news, unemployment rose unexpectedly….

unclesmrgol on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Obama Administration Rocked by Congressional Testimony of Three Year-Old Girl http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/01/obama-administration-rocked-by.html

Mervis Winter on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Eh, I really want to know so I can avoid it!

SilentWatcher on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

“But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost. The problem is, 7 million jobs were lost during the course of this recession.”

He is nearing rock bottom and he is starting to dig.

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost.

Guess I don’t count…

Realist on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

He’s real close to becoming a joke with people well beyond conservative blog readers. He keeps up the chronic and flagrant BS-ing, and it won’t be long until it is a late night comedy staple.

forest on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Are we even surprised anymore by this? He’s either blaming Bush for everything that’s going badly, taking credit for the few things that are going well, or making up statistics to cover his ass. This entire Presidency is a farce.

Doughboy on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

“Every economist [insert later equivocations]” is in my back pocket.–BHO, The “You Lie” President of Antipathy

maverick muse on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

I think he means every ‘credible’ economist that he’s talked to.

You’re prob leaving out some important qualifier to ‘every’ modifier.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

But the science is settled…

wright on February 4, 2010 at 9:36 AM

There’s a chance that the spending created jobs, but the taxing and borrowing to support that spending destroyed at least as many jobs. Probably twice as many.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

This guy makes Bill Clinton look honest.

John the Libertarian on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

What is this guy doing in the WH, America?

artist on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Wingnuts… right here in NC’s 54th district, we’ve had 88 million jillion jobs saved AND created!

mankai on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

or more likely, Obama simply likes to make claims that are flat-out false,

Leftists lie. It is what they do. The question is, are they fundamentally looking at the world in a warped way, or are they intentionally lying in order to grab power for themselves?

Dear Liar has increased employment for people who write the word “unexpectedly”, but not 2 million jobs worth.

rbj on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

It depends on what the meaning of is economist is.

backwoods conservative on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

They could not measure the number of jobs created or saved, all they could measure was how much money they spent.

PackerBronco on February 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Ed didn’t get B looger of the year from CPAc for leaving out info or lying like Barack The Magnificent does.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Every economist? A good rule of thumb to consider the truthfulness of any speaker is his use of the terms always, never, none, all, and every. Those terms usually provide a key for a lie or a gap in knowledge —

This is 5th grade hyperbole that he is using. Is this what Harvard teaches? Every lawyer….every president….every mother….all Americans….never again…? These statements fall apart on their face. Just like Julio, our resident troll aka crr6 stated the other night about killing someone in self defense is a “universally recognized right.” If it’s so universally recognized, then Julio would have no trouble finding someone to agree with that statement. Seems as if the president is using the same fallacies as our trolls. *What company!*

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM

I think he meant to say “every real economist”.

This guy is a big fan of the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy.

strictnein on February 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM

But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost.

King Banaian, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Mr. D on February 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM

I think he means every ‘credible’ economist that he’s talked to.

You’re prob leaving out some important qualifier to ‘every’ modifier.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

A. The Obama quote is there for you to read… with source.

B. The “he’s talked to” comment is almost as stupid as the “every” comment.

mankai on February 4, 2010 at 9:40 AM

What Teh Won actually said was, “Every DemonSheep believes I saved or created 2 million jobs.”

Related from this morning’s Milwaukee Journal SentinelStimulus accounting rules make it impossible to track the total number of jobs and make double-counting inevitable

steveegg on February 4, 2010 at 9:40 AM

The delusional “dictator wana-be” is dangerous!

CrusaderPatriot on February 4, 2010 at 9:40 AM

This is but another symptom Of NPD…

syncrodude on February 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Apparently he did more drugs in his youth than he admits too. Either that or he is still a regular user. Maybe both.

BruceB on February 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM

When is the last time a troll has proudly announced that “the adults are in charge now”?

mwbri on February 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM

That’s Blogger of the Year.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM

This job, like all others, is obviously ‘above his pay grade.’

Barry has already spent millions on parties at the WH, unnecessary travel, date nights, not to mention paying off his buddies with our money.

The best thing he can do is shut up and go on vacation until he decides to resign. Every time he opens his mouth he embarrasses himself.

What a disgrace.

/so angry!

Cody1991 on February 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM

He can’t even fake it anymore.

Akzed on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

I love how you guys always say Obama is all talk

and yet you’re the first to harp on insignificant semantics issues

I don’t give a rats ass if Obama said ‘every’…it don’t change a damn thing. The reality is a majority of economists agree with the President.

So stop this semantic nonsense.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

I think “every economist” could become the running gag of the week. Who’s with me?

apostic on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Look at this blogs lead in picture. It is pure puppetry in motion. Leaders of the Senate (V.P. Biden and House (Speaker Pelosi) seemed to move their heads in unison with the President.

They also led applause and standing on cue. Obviously, they were reading TOTUS and responding to the emotional cues it was providing the President.

MSGTAS on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Are there 2 million lobbyists in Washington?
Maybe that’s what he’s refering to.

elderberry on February 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Counting a “saved” or “created” job is a task of Orwellian proportions…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjOLs-ZXR6k

mankai on February 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM

According to the AP this morning, Obama lied unexpectedly.

ConDem on February 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM

I think he means every ‘credible’ economist that he’s talked to.

You’re prob leaving out some important qualifier to ‘every’ modifier.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM
________________________

Yeah, Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation aren’t crediblie.

You fail.

uknowmorethanme on February 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM

I don’t give a rats ass if Obama said ‘every’…it don’t change a damn thing. The reality is a majority of economists agree with the President.
So stop this semantic nonsense.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

How is that unicorn in your front yard, Skippy?

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM

I would like to know who in this country is not feeling the truth.
Who out there lives in a place where they don’t know anybody that is out of work, where everything is as grand as it was 2 years ago???
Where are you people?
Because those people are the only ones that could possibly be believing Obama’s bs.

bridgetown on February 4, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Every scientist said global warming was real too. The science is settled. Must be nice living in lala land all the time.

joe99jpn on February 4, 2010 at 9:44 AM

It depends on what the meaning of is economist is.

backwoods conservative on February 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Come on now, he is only counting those economists who “hoped” unemployment would not get worse.

Johnnyreb on February 4, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Look at this blogs lead in picture. It is pure puppetry in motion. Leaders of the Senate (V.P. Biden and House (Speaker Pelosi) seemed to move their heads in unison with the President.

yeah, because that is unique to president Obama , right?

jeez you’re dense

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM

I don’t give a rats ass if Obama said ‘every’…it don’t change a damn thing. The reality is a majority of economists agree with the President.

Prove this “reality”.

So stop this semantic nonsense.

You started it with “I think he means every ‘credible’ economist that he’s talked to”.

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Mervis Winter on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Obama Administration Rocked by Congressional Testimony of Three Year-Old Girl

LOL! That’s priceless!

Josiah on February 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM

yeah, because that is unique to president Obama , right?

jeez you’re dense

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM
________________

What’s your point?

jeez you’re dense.

uknowmorethanme on February 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Obama removes all doubt that liberalism is a mental disorder.

volsense on February 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM

He is nearing rock bottom and he is starting to dig.

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

He hit rock bottom a while back and asked for a pick.

thomasaur on February 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM

I love how you guys always say Obama is all talk

and yet you’re the first to harp on insignificant semantics issues

I don’t give a rats ass if Obama said ‘every’…it don’t change a damn thing. The reality is a majority of economists agree with the President.

So stop this semantic nonsense.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Who are these economists who make up the majority? Are they from the same group that was allegedly the “consensus” telling us man-made global warming was settled science for the past few years?

Most people would likely agree that public sector jobs have been saved(temporarily) by the porkulus funds. But hardly anything has been “created or saved” in the private sector. Instead jobs are still being shed every month.

Obama promised not only that unemployment wouldn’t exceed 8% if porkulus was passed, but that 90% of the jobs created by the bill would be in the private sector. By either measure, his legislation has been a complete failure.

Doughboy on February 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM

A good rule of thumb to consider the truthfulness of any speaker is his use of the terms always, never, none, all, and every.

Oh sure Ed. Just like you’ve always and never provided bias for your Steelers every time…..:)

Rovin on February 4, 2010 at 9:48 AM

These would be the economists that ‘hoped’ unemployment would go down in January, and were ‘unexpectedly’ surprised when it went up.

Vashta.Nerada on February 4, 2010 at 9:48 AM

I am even ready for a Bill Clinton “Miss Me Yet” poster with Obama’s track record.

WashJeff on February 4, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Next Palin Steele post:

But…but…but…Boooosh!

Wait on it.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:48 AM

In this environment where public sector job creation is now beating out the private sector, is anyone considering the ridiculous imbalance going on?

Where is this tax revenue going to come from to pay for the aggressive growth of government jobs? Government employees make almost twice the salary of a private sector job and most of us pay at least 30% of our check into taxes. If it takes the taxes of potentially seven private sector workers to pay the salary of ONE government worker, how is a bloated, non-revenue producing, big government healthy for America?

pjean on February 4, 2010 at 9:48 AM

This is all part of Obama’s counterfeit “pragmatism.” He pulled the same crap in his talk with the House GOP last week, citing “experts” over and over again as reasons why he didn’t include any GOP ideas in the health care bill. He kept saying that “no experts” or “no economists” told him that, for example, tort reform would significantly reduce health care costs.

It’s a meme with this President and he isn’t going to stop it, no matter how ridiculous the claim.

rockmom on February 4, 2010 at 9:48 AM

I don’t give a rats ass if Obama said ‘every’…it don’t change a damn thing. The reality is a majority of White House economists agree with the President.

So stop this semantic nonsense.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

uknowmorethanme on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Obama promised not only that unemployment wouldn’t exceed 8% if porkulus was passed

listen bozo, it was not only Obama who said this. Many on both the right and left thought the stimulus would stop the job losses. No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

So why did Obama claim to a Nashua, New Hampshire audience on Tuesday that he had “saved or created” two million jobs?

Teh idiot can’t even remember his own talking points.

Worst. President. Ever.

UltimateBob on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

But what they fail to understand is that every economist employed by my administration, from the left, which is all of them, and the right, which is none of them, has said just what I’ve told them to say, which is, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost.

morganfrost on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Which ones aren’t “credible”?

http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf

mankai on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Palin Steele. Gee what an original name for a F-ing retard (as Rohmm Emanuel would call you). Why not use something more fitting like Dumb Ass or Crap For Brains.

BruceB on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

He’s using liberal speak:

If an economist doesn’t agree with Barry, then he’s not a real economist.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

If you have 100 bucks in your account and you lose 10 of them, right off top, is it a success to crow about not losing 2 more bucks? You’re still 10 bucks in the hole champ. Beeatching about another two bucks that would’ve taken you to 88 is an exercise in verbal virtuousity and spin. You’re still 10 bucks in the hole. If you’re missing 10 bucks, you need to gain 1, then 2, then three so you’d be back at 93 bucks. That’s real math jack.

This inventive misdirection on employment is maddening. There are real people that have real families that need real jobs that pay real money and more speeches obviously aint’ cuttin’ it. If speeches grew dollars, we’d all be rich now, but all speeches grow is more bullshite–the stuff we’re knee deep in.

Hip waders *on*

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Are you saying that the current economic crisis is…. unexpected?

UltimateBob on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

He hit rock bottom a while back and asked for a pick.

thomasaur on February 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM

MOre like an auger, this guy is going down quick.

WashJeff on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

“But what they fail to understand is that every economist, from the left and the right, has said, because of the Recovery Act, what we’ve started to see is at least a couple of million jobs that have either been created or would have been lost. The problem is, 7 million jobs were lost because of Bush during the course of this recession.”

Added the bit that was missing.

Midas on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Between Obama and Biden, I’m really starting to wonder who’s the bigger dolt. They both have a penchant for earnestly blurting out the most absurd claims and pronouncements and then going on as if nothing happened.

It makes me wonder if Obama didn’t realize that if he stayed in the senate, his career might have matched or exceeded Biden’s for uselessness. Running for president was his only way out.

RobertE on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

listen bozo, it was not only Obama who said this. Many on both the right and left thought the stimulus would stop the job losses. No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Cite your sources please.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

He is nearing rock bottom and he is starting to dig.

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

He broke out the pick axes several weeks ago.

MarkTheGreat on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

listen bozo, it was not only Obama who said this. Many on both the right and left thought the stimulus would stop the job losses. No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Ah yes … but the right said it too!

So that’s supposed to absolve this wannabe dictator of making the situation worse?

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 9:51 AM

I’m an economist. I call bullshite on this. My cat’s an economist too, her answer is steaming and sitting on top of the NYT. -2

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM

There’s the old stratagem of repeating a lie often enough so that it becomes accepted as truth. Obama, I’m sure, is not above such a strategy; however, in this case, I think, his power to do such things is at an extremely low ebb, and this makes his attempts only farcical.

RWB on February 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM

This economist (NYU PhD, 15 years professional experience, federal contractor for multiple agencies in administrations of both stripes) thinks the 2 million figure is a joke and the “saved or created” construct is an insult, and so does every last one of his colleagues.

I think there were portions of the stimulus that definitely saved some jobs (e.g. state budget shortfall provisions, infrastructure spending), but the number is in the middle hundreds of thousands.

The reality is a majority of economists agree with the President.

So stop this semantic nonsense.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Show me an AEA survey or some equivalent, or get the f*** out of here, troll.

DrSteve on February 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM

listen bozo, it was not only Obama who said this. Many on both the right and left thought the stimulus would stop the job losses. No one foresaw how bad it would get.
Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Who on ‘The Right’ said that?

Chip on February 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM

No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

No , 52% didn’t foresaw how bad obama would get..

the_nile on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Are you saying that the current economic crisis is…. unexpected?

never said that. dont put words in my mouth.

My point is, Obama certainly wasn’t the only one that didn’t expect unemployment to go to 10%. And it wasnt only liberals either.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

MOre like an auger, this guy is going down quick.

WashJeff on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

either this is cloward piven, or simple inept economics or a combination of both.

Tomorrow there is a snowstorm of epic proportions aimed at DC. It should start snowing just about the time this BLS unemployment number is released.

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Are these the same economists who keep reporting “unexpected” increases in jobless claims, month after month? If that is true, why should we believe them, or Obama? Neither seem to be very good at their jobs.

Mord on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Tapper’s article says TOTUS told Obama to say the following:

“I understand why some people are wondering whether the Recovery Act has really worked. Because while these steps mean 2 million Americans are working right now who’d otherwise be unemployed, and our economy is growing again instead of shrinking – and growing at the fastest rate in 6 years – we lost 7 million jobs during this recession.”

TOTUS’s script was too complicated and hard for the President to read, so he went unscripted. That’s when he, um, uhhh, has even more trouble with the… uh, mmmm, truth.

chaswv on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we the undersigned do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan’s “lost decade” in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policymakers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the
burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf

mankai on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Who on ‘The Right’ said that?

paulson, bernanke, bush…want me to go on?

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

My point is, Obama certainly wasn’t the only one that didn’t expect unemployment to go to 10%. And it wasnt only liberals either.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

So now we know he aint got a clue.

the_nile on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

never said that. dont put words in my mouth.

My point is, Obama certainly wasn’t the only one that didn’t expect unemployment to go to 10%. And it wasnt only liberals either.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Cite your sources please.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

He is nearing rock bottom and he is starting to dig.

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Exactly….he sees that saved lawn mower job heading for his scrawny ass.

Patrick S on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Jake Tapper is a little confused, and so am I.

Of course, you two need to get off your blogs, and out of your echo chambers and start listening to more of the W0n. I hear you can an iPod with all the speeches on it.

Room 101.//

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:55 AM

paulson, bernanke, bush…want me to go on?

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Cite your sources please.

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:50 AM

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

kingsjester on February 4, 2010 at 9:55 AM

listen bozo, it was not only Obama who said this. Many on both the right and left thought the stimulus would stop the job losses. No one foresaw how bad it would get.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Hey, nice one. Not far afield from saying “every economist”, etc.

Finding 2 people “on the right” who thought it was a good idea does not constitute “many”.

Midas on February 4, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Maybe Orzag should go back to school and pay attention in his logic class. To change the lie of jobs saved and call them jobs funded is essentially the same lie with new clown face paint. These guys just don’t make sense, only a mess.

Kissmygrits on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

If you don’t believe President Barack Hussein Obama, he can arrange for a few union guys to visit you and talk things over.

Bishop on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

“Show me an AEA survey or some equivalent, or get the f*** out of here, troll.”

I don’t need a survey, unlike you, I choose to believe OUR President, you treasonous leper.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

My point is, Obama certainly wasn’t the only one that didn’t expect unemployment to go to 10%. And it wasnt only liberals either.

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM

80% of the “stimulus” money hasn’t even been spent. Why?

Obama had no intention of using it to create jobs. It’s his own personal slush fund

darwin on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

heheh, looks like my homeys are serving up troll today. cool

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

obama is becoming like a very bad stand up comic…NOBODY is still laughing at his jokes but he keeps right on telling them…cracking himself up…and he tells himself after the show…”I killed ‘em tonight!”

winston on February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

ooh, he’s a koolaid swillin’ troll too…!

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Palin Steele on February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Still waiting to find out how many of the following are not “credible”?

http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf

mankai on February 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Do dems realize how stupid they sound defending this guy?
Hm, ya the economy sucks. Let’s continue doing what failed last year…THIS year. Makes sense.

Threaten banks, scare the crap out of small and big business, wow…..why, why aren’t jobs coming back?
Just because the administration is flipping two birds to the business world that’s no excuse.

You can’t make this stuff up.

B Man on February 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM

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