Democrats double down on backroom deals

posted at 3:32 pm on February 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

John McCormack says that Democrats just can’t help themselves, but I don’t think that’s quite right.  They’ve been helping themselves to heaping piles of pork dollars by cutting deals in backroom negotiations, for instance — and they want to keep right on helping themselves with our tax dollars.  In fact, House Democrats want to double down on cutting deals in the dark:

The health care bill is in trouble, but a series of narrow deals — each designed to win over a wavering senator or key interest group — is alive and well, despite voter anger over the parochial horse-trading that marked the rush toward passage before Christmas.

With the exception of Nebraska Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback,” which alienated independent voters and came to symbolize an out-of-touch Washington, none of the other narrow provisions that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid inserted into the bill appear to be in any kind of danger as Democrats try to figure out the way ahead.

Not only that, House liberals want to reopen the labor deal struck just days before Democrats lost their 60-vote majority — not to dial it back but to provide more generous protections from the tax on Cadillac insurance plans.

Ben Nelson’s Cornhusker Kickback will get stripped from the bill — mainly to protect Nelson from the wrath of his constituents, who got angry when Nelson reneged on a pledge to ensure that no federal dollars would subsidize abortions or abortion coverage.  However, Mary Landrieu’s $300 million Louisiana Purchase will survive despite being three times as expensive as the Cornhusker Kickback.  So will an exemption on Cadillac-plan taxes for Michigan, as will $500 million to Massachusetts for Medicaid reimbursements and $600 million to Vermont, for its “leadership” on cost control.

Basically, the Democrats have decided to embrace the entire notion of backroom deals and opacity in government despite the clear lesson from the Massachusetts special election.  Democrats promised transparency, but delivered lobbyist-driven perks for unions instead.  Now they’re talking out of both sides of their mouths, as Politico makes clear by using John Kerry as an example:

“It is very clear from the process that took place in the final days of the bill that Americans are disturbed about the process,” said Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). “I believe it would be important for us to take out the egregious items.”

Does that mean he might forfeit the money for Massachusetts?

Not at all. Kerry argued the funding was completely legitimate because Massachusetts has already used significant state resources to extend benefits beyond what the current federal Medicaid rules require.

“I don’t think adjusting for Medicaid costs for states that have already done some things is inappropriate,” Kerry said. “I’m not for a single-state fix. I’m for every state in the country that has taken action, to have that reflected somehow, and that should be part of the fix.”

Kerry’s remark highlights an axiom of Washington: Every deal is egregious except your own.

In other words, Kerry was for transparency and fiscal responsibility at the same time he was against them.  Just when you thought Kerry couldn’t possibly top his 2004 performance on vacillation, he manages a flip-flop with a double twist.  This time, he has plenty of company in his own caucus, but Kerry at least should have learned a lesson from his own constituents when they elected a Republican, Scott Brown, to the Senate for the first time in 38 years.

The Democrats won’t learn this lesson until voters force a lot of them into retirement in the fall, which looks more and more certain with each attempt to cut deals with lobbyists and stretch rules to the point of breaking them to get their wildly unpopular statist bill passed.


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Ben Nelson’s Cornhusker Kickback will get stripped from the bill — mainly to protect Nelson from the wrath of his constituents, who got angry when Nelson reneged on a pledge to ensure that no federal dollars would subsidize abortions or abortion coverage.

I wonder what it is called now and hidden in.

upinak on February 4, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Didn’t Al Franken write a book about this..something about lying liars and all that?

HAnthonyWayne on February 4, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Swear Scott in !

Jeff2161 on February 4, 2010 at 3:36 PM

However, Mary Landrieu’s $300 million Louisiana Purchase will survive despite being three times as expensive as the Cornhusker Kickback.

Has Bobby Jindel commented on this?

WashJeff on February 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Akbar Zeb

J_Crater on February 4, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Are there any Republican Senators ill (or dead and still voting) ?

J_Crater on February 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM

I suspect a back door deal on Don’t ask don’t tell

seven on February 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Didn’t Clowncy Pelosi say in 2006 that she would bring ethics, bipartisanship, and civility back to congress and Washington?

Solid B+ on that one.

MobileVideoEngineer on February 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Right the first time: they can’t help themselves. It’s how leftists roll, how they’ve always rolled. Besides, there is no upside to “transparency” for these people. Their ideas stink. Why would they want more people to learn more about them?

rrpjr on February 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM

ha…..and the silent revolution bubbles..

bridgetown on February 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Pigs at the trough; swine, all of them.

singlemalt_18 on February 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM

They haven’t “doubled down” on their corrupt back-stabbing of we the people. They’ve gone ALL IN.

MJBrutus on February 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Ben Nelson’s Cornhusker Kickback will get stripped from the bill — mainly to protect Nelson from the wrath of his constituents, who got angry when Nelson reneged on a pledge to ensure that no federal dollars would subsidize abortions or abortion coverage.

I wonder what it is called now and hidden in.

upinak on February 4, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Nelson’s Cornhole Kicker.

bloviator on February 4, 2010 at 3:41 PM

“Basically, the Democrats have decided to embrace the entire notion of backroom deals and opacity in government despite the clear lesson from the Massachusetts special election.”

Too busy inside the ‘echo chamber’…

Right Obowma?

Seven Percent Solution on February 4, 2010 at 3:43 PM

The one-term Obama presidency will go down in history for one thing: pulling the curtain all the way back on how completely corrupt and power hungry the democrat party is. For that, I thank him. Some voters, it seems, need a real paint-by-numbers approach to democrat corruption that the rest of us see every time one of them opens their mouths. Obama has provided that. Now, thankfully, there will be no more silly arguments about if they are corrupt, just a continuing discussion about how much of their blatant corruption voters are willing to endure. That’s a much better position to be in going into 2010 and 2012.

Rational Thought on February 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Kerry…manages a flip-flop with a double twist

.
Scores bonus points for degree of difficulty.

dont taze me bro on February 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

“..The Democrats won’t learn this lesson until voters force a lot of them into retirement in the fall,..”

And that, friends and neighbors, seems to be by design. From the fraud in the White House on down, the thinking seems to be “we’ve got lots of votes, let’s vote for as much as we can until election day because we’re going to get our arses handed to us anyway!”.

They fully understand what happened in Massachusetts; now it’s an all-out sprint to ram as much through as possible.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Hot off the press. Just received this email from my senator, Evan Bayh. I scanned through this yet all I hear is Charlie Brown’s teacher talking. Bye-bye, Bayh.

Thank you for taking the time to share your views on health care reform with me. Hearing the concerns of passionate Hoosiers throughout this debate has helped me focus on the aspects of reform that matter most to our state. My health care priorities are to make insurance affordable for middle-class families, protect Indiana jobs, and insist that health care reform not add a dime to our deficit.

Let me be clear: I will not support legislation that causes ordinary citizens’ health care costs to go up. That is why I asked the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office to study how the Senate’s health care legislation will affect premiums for those who are already insured. The CBO’s answer indicated that tax credits for small businesses would dramatically lower the cost of health insurance for many Hoosiers who receive insurance through their employer. Overall, the CBO found that health care reform will lower or keep stable the cost of health insurance for 93 percent of Americans. For the other 7 percent, increased competition between insurance companies and new coverage choices will reduce costs that otherwise might rise.

Thousands of jobs in Indiana depend on the health care industry, especially those in the medical device sector. During negotiations over the Senate’s legislation, I insisted on a $20 billion reduction to proposed taxes on the medical device sector. My work to cut this tax helped preserve more than 63,000 good-paying jobs in Indiana’s vibrant life sciences industry. With Hoosier families struggling to cope in this tough economic climate, I refused to let one of our state’s most important industries be hit with an unreasonable tax.

Since the debate on health care reform began, I have made clear that I would not support any bill that increased our deficit. It would be deeply irresponsible for health care reform to add to the debt our children and grandchildren already have to bear. Fortunately, the CBO estimates that health care reform will reduce the deficit by $132 billion over the next 10 years and up to $1.3 trillion in the following decade. Because these estimates depend upon the willingness of future Congresses and Presidents to implement cost cutting proposals, I understand and share some of the skepticism about these projections. This is, however, not an argument for doing nothing. It is instead an argument for holding the President’s and Congress’ feet to the fire to cut spending and control costs.

It is time we reform the health insurance industry. This legislation prohibits insurance companies from denying Hoosiers coverage because they have a medical condition. It prevents insurance companies from dropping people from their coverage because they become seriously ill. It limits the fees that insurance companies can charge consumers. It expands Medicare benefits so seniors can afford the prescription drugs they need. It also ensures that everyone can keep the right to choose their own doctor.

While the future of the health care debate remains uncertain, I believe we need to move forward with Republicans and Democrats working together to pass a bill that promotes fiscally responsible solutions to our health care problems. I continue to support the overall goals of health care reform, but I do not believe that adding hundreds of billions of dollars in more spending and taxes and forcing it through using special procedures on a strictly partisan basis is the right way to go. Congress should craft practical, common-sense reforms to our health care system that will make coverage more affordable for every Hoosier.

Office of Senator Evan Bayh
(202) 224-5623
Russell 131
Washington, D.C. 20510

Oink on February 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Ben Nelson’s Cornhusker Kickback will get stripped from the bill — mainly to protect Nelson from the wrath of his constituents, who got angry when Nelson reneged on a pledge to ensure that no federal dollars would subsidize abortions or abortion coverage.

I think it’s too late for Nelson. If dude can’t even walk into a pizza parlor without getting booed out of the joint, then what chance does he have at the ballot box?

I can only conclude from the insanity of pushing forward with Obamacare(especially with it being done behind closed doors), that the Dems know they’re finished in November. At best, they may cling to a slim majority in the Senate. So they figure why not just go full speed ahead with the socialist agenda.

Doughboy on February 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM

“..The Democrats won’t learn this lesson until voters force a lot of them into retirement in the fall,..”

And that, friends and neighbors, seems to be by design. From the fraud in the White House on down, the thinking seems to be “we’ve got lots of votes, let’s vote for as much as we can until election day because we’re going to get our arses handed to us anyway!”.

They fully understand what happened in Massachusetts; now it’s an all-out sprint to ram as much through as possible.

GoldenEagle4444 on February 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM

This is all about what Obama wants and the stupid fools in Congress were just too happy to oblige. Obama cares NOT who goes down the drain as long as he’s able to say “I signed into law sweeping healthcare reform.”

They pass healthcare and I am convinced the GOP will regain control of both houses. So help me, if the GOP screws it up again and starts spending like fools, they’ll lose their next time up for election.

Oink on February 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Meanwhile, Judas Nelson is relentlessly playing this $hit and several others on TV here.

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Oink on February 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM

I got as far as….

Let me be clear: I will not support legislation that causes ordinary citizens’ health care costs to go up.

….and I could read no farther. Didn’t need to either. It “Let me be clear.” says all we need to know about everything after it.

Lily on February 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Doughboy on February 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Everyone must know that Nelson’s done. I’m sure he’s begging them to take the kickback out so they KNOW they have his vote. He wants it on record that he, in a way, voted against his kickback.

What incentive does Blanche Lincoln have for voting no? She’s 20 pts behind all her challengers. I received an email from Evan Bayh and I’m sure he’ll vote for the bill. He must know he’s done too. Some of these people are “done” no matter how they vote from here on out.

Oink on February 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM

I can only conclude from the insanity of pushing forward with Obamacare(especially with it being done behind closed doors), that the Dems know they’re finished in November. At best, they may cling to a slim majority in the Senate. So they figure why not just go full speed ahead with the socialist agenda.

Doughboy on February 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM

That’s classic Saul Allinsky. If you get rejected, step on the gas and accelerate.

MobileVideoEngineer on February 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM

The dems seem to bo OK with dumping huge unfunded mandates on the States. Nelson’s deal was to have the Fed fund those mandates for Nebraska. They need to get off the unfunded mandates all together.

Also, Obama seems to want to reward government dependency, which logically would come at the expense of economic achievers. He should be encouraging achievement and discouraging government dependency. It is common sense for building economic growth and prosperity. The dependent class are the easiest voters to lock in because nothing positive is expected of them, and they have no responsibility for themselves. Obama knows this, so he is simply growing the vote farm for the dems benifit and at America’s detriment.

saiga on February 4, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Lily on February 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Oh, see! I didn’t even read the “Let me be clear” part. Blech!

Oink on February 4, 2010 at 3:53 PM

This last year has felt like 10 years.

November can’t come fast enough, so we can get rid of these idiots.

portlandon on February 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM

I will knock on every frickin’ door in South Lincoln, the state ‘hot spot’ of Liberalism, to keep this turd polisher from being re-elected.

PappaMac on February 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Nelson was given $500,000 from harry reid’s rainy day fund to pay for commercials to deal with the voter backlash on top of the pork he stole from the taxpayers.

Punditpawn on February 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Just when you thought Kerry couldn’t possibly top his 2004 performance

LOL

Del Dolemonte on February 4, 2010 at 3:56 PM

More bipartisanship and transparancy from the Dems. How Orwellian.

BottomLine5 on February 4, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Cornhusker Kickback 2.0

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2010 at 3:56 PM

PappaMac on February 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM

I’ll be right there with you.

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Just when you thought Kerry couldn’t possibly top his 2004 performance on vacillation, he manages a flip-flop with a double twist.

The judges from Cuba, China, and Russia say “10″!

The French judge asks if he can surrender to somebody.

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Something tells me, the dems believe they are invincible. They are pushing this thru, not as if they don’t care what we think, or want…but as if they have nothing to worry about come November.

Changing the way government operates from the inside?

capejasmine on February 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM

ROFL!!!

capejasmine on February 4, 2010 at 3:59 PM

November can’t come fast enough, so we can get rid of these idiots.

portlandon on February 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM

At some future point, the government dependents will increase in numbers to the point where good sense is drowned out by government trough sloppers. This trend must be reversed and reversed soon. Amnesty will seal our Country’s fate as millions of “Social Victims” are added to the democratic vote farm. Does anyone expect that amnesty will produce millions of responsible voters, or lock step Democratic sheep?

saiga on February 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM

If they strip out the Cornhusker Kickback, won’t there necessarily be another cloture vote? If so, then its dead, right?

Why won’t they get the message??

Darksean on February 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Has Bobby Jindel commented on this?

WashJeff on February 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM
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Where the heck is he anyway?,I have not heard anything from him in the last few months.

ohiobabe on February 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Something tells me, the dems believe they are invincible. They are pushing this thru, not as if they don’t care what we think, or want…but as if they have nothing to worry about come November.

Changing the way government operates from the inside?

capejasmine on February 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM

They’re living like there’s no tomorrow.

Our government has been taken over. We’re under attack from within. What else can be said? Our representative government no longer represents the people.

Oink on February 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Punch another hole in the hull of the Ship of State… it’ll let the water flow out!

Demlogic 2.0

profitsbeard on February 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Something tells me, the dems believe they are invincible. They are pushing this thru, not as if they don’t care what we think, or want…but as if they have nothing to worry about come November.
//
O told them not to fret about their jobs.:):)

ohiobabe on February 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Cornhusker Kickback 2.0

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Well, If Warren Buffett thinks it’s a great deal for Nebraska, let him pay for it.

Jeff2161 on February 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM

They will not stop…they must be fired!

JIMV on February 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM

The ObamaCare bill would have lots of good-paying jobs in it, good enough for an extra pension.

Jeff2161 on February 4, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Meanwhile,here in Ohio,we have to deal with sherrod brown who tells o he must press harder!I have emailed him so many times,he thinks we will forget when his time rolls around.Not over my dead body!

ohiobabe on February 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM

And columnists and bloggers world-wide double-down on use and misuse of the most overused and misused figure of speech of the past several years….

notropis on February 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM

From Bayh’s letter:

Let me be clear: I will not support legislation that causes ordinary citizens’ health care costs to go up.

Uh….please define who does not qualify as an “ordinary citizen”.

Extra-ordinary? Subordinate? Please….I’m waiting with steaming tar buckets…..

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM

If they strip out the Cornhusker Kickback, won’t there necessarily be another cloture vote? If so, then its dead, right?

Why won’t they get the message??

Darksean on February 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Politicians are like aligators…all mouth, no ears.

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Something tells me, the dems believe they are invincible. They are pushing this thru, not as if they don’t care what we think, or want…but as if they have nothing to worry about come November.

Do you ever ponder if Lemmings think about what they’re doing? When does this occur to them: “Oh shit….we’ve made a terrible mistake”?

By the time they realize what they’ve done, it’s too late and…the only ones’ around to hear them admit it are others that ran off the cliff with them. The next generation never gets the word….”Its just a damn cliff…don’t jump!”

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Let me be clear: I will not support legislation that causes ordinary citizens’ health care costs to go up.

Did Obama write this for Bayh?

KeepOhioRed on February 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Meanwhile,here in Ohio,we have to deal with sherrod brown who tells o he must press harder!I have emailed him so many times,he thinks we will forget when his time rolls around.Not over my dead body!

ohiobabe on February 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Pffft. I don’t even bother with Brown. He doesn’t care what Ohioans think. Single-payer health care is his life-long dream.

KeepOhioRed on February 4, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Landreau says Jindal asked for Louisiana Purchase

Monica on February 4, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Ah..so it’s the “Jindal made me do it” defense.

Hmmmmm…did she have to option to say “Hey Bobby, that’s a pretty crappy deal for the American public that benefits only Louisiana…I’m afraid, as a Senator, I simply can’t participate in this abuse of public funds.”

No, she didn’t say that. What did she say? “Darn, what a great idea!”

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 4:17 PM

They want open revolt.

jukin on February 4, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Has Bobby Jindel commented on this?

WashJeff on February 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM
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Where the heck is he anyway?,I have not heard anything from him in the last few months.

ohiobabe on February 4, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Mary Landrieu is to give a conference today showing Jindal was not only aware of her asking for this 300 million but actively involved. Jindal is not a conservative, and worse he does not have a backbone to call people out like he stated he would when running for gov.

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0210/Landrieu_launches_defense_of_300_million_fix.html?showall

la.rt.wngr on February 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Fortunately, the CBO estimates that health care reform will reduce the deficit by $132 billion over the next 10 years and up to $1.3 trillion in the following decade.

How can something that will cost $900 billion (officially) plus $300 billion for the off-budget “doctor fix” reduce the deficits?

Fuzzy math!!! We don’t Bayh it.

Steve Z on February 4, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Nelson was given $500,000 from harry reid’s rainy day fund to pay for commercials to deal with the voter backlash on top of the pork he stole from the taxpayers.

Punditpawn on February 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM

That was money down a rathole. I hope they give him another half million. I don’t think Ben yet understands that Nebraskans are foamimg and chomping because he made us look like freeloaders riding on additional Medicaid costs from other states instead of paying our own share. Long memories.

a capella on February 4, 2010 at 4:24 PM

The nitty-gritty will be left to the legislative branch and his trusted advisors, while Obama does what he does best, talk about the work he wants done by others, wait at the White House with pen in hand, then pat himself on the back after they’re finished, and he’s signed a dotted-line.

americanthinker.com

ted c on February 4, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Landreau says Jindal asked for Louisiana Purchase

Monica on February 4, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Mary, Mary, quite contrary, how long does your nose grow?

Steve Z on February 4, 2010 at 4:28 PM

If we all hunker down and cooperate with rationing, it will not kill the budget. We really don’t want to have a budget deficit.

seven on February 4, 2010 at 4:29 PM

If we all hunker down and cooperate with rationing, it will not kill the budget. We really don’t want to have a budget deficit.

seven on February 4, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Put on a sweater, and you shall have Utopia.
-Carter

BobMbx on February 4, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Crooks. Try them and when convicted, send them to Gitmo.

rbj on February 4, 2010 at 4:35 PM

a capella on February 4, 2010 at 4:24 PM

He can blanket the airwaves with $10mil and we still won’t forget.

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Democrats double down on backroom deals STUPID

FIFY, Ed.

Mark Boabaca on February 4, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Hows’ old Robert Byrd KKK D WV doin and how about John The Traitor Murtha D PA?

dhunter on February 4, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Say goodnight, Harry. Fool.

Jaibones on February 4, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Now we get the re-distributionist nightmare scenario.

Kerry thinks it is a good idea for the federal government to give extra money to states that have trashed their own budgets. Following this insane logic, Mr Kerry should be planning on voting for a nice annual 220 billion stipend for California as our state senate just voted for a 200 billion annual single payer healthcare solution, and they have overspent by 20 billion a year already.

Any other states out there need some fast government cash? As Obama has already stated, it is the fault of the states that do not spend themselves into oblivion if they dont want to pay for California’s largess while they get nothing!

Freddy on February 4, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Kerry is such a gigantic fool–noticable every time he opens his mouth. Heard that he’s decided to take Ted’s old desk and give his to Brown. Something about Ted’s and JKK’s names in the desk of something. Can’t have it defiled by a Republican can we!!!

jeanie on February 4, 2010 at 5:20 PM

The Won had another closed door meeting today with dem leaders about health care. C-Span was not invited. I knew they weren’t giving up on this dead horse. Keep whippin’,boys, it’ll pass.

Kissmygrits on February 4, 2010 at 5:31 PM

The dependent class are the easiest voters to lock in because nothing positive is expected of them, and they have no responsibility for themselves. Obama knows this, so he is simply growing the vote farm for the dems benifit and at America’s detriment.

saiga on February 4, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Uh, this is nothing new. Standard S0cialist plays, right of the Commie playbook. The Democrats have been employing this tactic for 50 years or more. We’re just rapidly coming up on critical mass, the tipping point if you will. I am hoping there are enough Americans left in this country that we can turn it around. Either way, all that needs to be done, won’t get done at the ballot box alone. Keep your powder dry.

mrpeabody on February 4, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Kerry argued the funding was completely legitimate because Massachusetts has already used significant state resources to extend benefits beyond what the current federal Medicaid rules require.

Just because your state spent beyond its means doesn’t mean the rest of us should bail you out. Nothing at all legitimate about the funding.

chemman on February 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Akbar Zeb

J_Crater on February 4, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Gives a whole new meaning to “Allah akbar”, doesn’t it?

Squiggy on February 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM