WH claims to use family to crack EunuchBomber

posted at 10:55 am on February 3, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

After being embarrassed by a report on the breakdown of counterterrorism efforts before Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab boarded a Northwest flight in Amsterdam for Detroit and a series of Congressional appearances that demonstrated a lack of communication in the decision to treat the terrorist as a criminal rather than an enemy at war, the White House has begun to push back.  Citing unnamed “officials,” the AP reports that the FBI and the CIA have begun to get information from Abdulmutallab despite having clammed up after getting Mirandized.  The key, they claim, was to get his family involved in breaking his resistance:

The Nigerian man accused of trying to use a bomb hidden in his underwear to bring down a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day has been cooperating with investigators since last week, discussing his contacts in Yemen and providing intelligence in multiple terrorism investigations, officials said Tuesday.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s cooperation could prove to be a national security victory and a political vindication for President Barack Obama, who has been under fire from lawmakers who contend the administration botched the case by giving Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent, rather than interrogating him as a military prisoner.

In the days following the failed bombing, a pair of FBI agents flew to Nigeria and persuaded Abdulmutallab’s family to help them. When the agents returned to the U.S., Abdulmutallab’s family came, too, according to a senior administration official briefed on the case. The family persuaded Abdulmutallab to work with the FBI, believing he would be treated fairly in U.S. courts, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

The AP provides the motive for the leak later in its own reporting:

While the interrogation continued, White House and intelligence officials quietly seethed as political rivals accused them of putting lives at risk. That criticism peaked last weekend when Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, in the weekly Republican address, accused the administration of having “a blind spot when it comes to the war on terrorism.”

Color Byron York skeptical:

The Washington Post, citing “Obama administration sources,” reports Abdulmutallab “has been providing FBI interrogators with useful intelligence about his training and contacts since last week.” The Politico quotes a “law enforcement source” saying Abdulmutallab has provided “useful, current intelligence.” And ABC News, citing a “senior administration official,” reports that the intelligence “has been disseminated throughout the intelligence community.”

The reports represent a striking turnaround in the administration’s position. Ever since the public learned that authorities had just 50 minutes to question Abdulmutallab before he was read his Miranda rights and refused to answer any further questions, the Obama administration has claimed that it had, during that brief interrogation, gotten all the information that was possible to be gained from Abdulmutallab. On Fox News Sunday January 24, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that “FBI interrogators believe they got valuable intelligence and were able to get all that they could out of him.” When host Chris Wallace asked, “All they could?” Gibbs answered, “Yeah.”

On January 31, top White House adviser David Axelrod told Meet the Press that Abdulmutallab “has given very valuable information to the government about activities in Yemen and some of his experiences there.” To emphasize the point, Axelrod said, “We have not lost anything as a result of how his case has been handled.”

So just a few days ago the Obama administration claimed that Abdulmutallab had given up everything he knows. Now, they claim he is giving them fresh, useful intelligence.

There are two possibilities in this scenario.  The first is that the administration got Abdulmutallab’s family to the US immediately after the terrorist clammed up, and that he had been giving valuable intel all along.  That would mean that the White House sent Gibbs on a misinformation mission — which under the circumstances would be acceptable as a way to keep Abdulmutallab’s contacts relaxed and in position for American attempts to target them.

But if that was the case, why leak its effectiveness now?  The US hasn’t conducted any known raids in Yemen for the last few weeks.  This leak will certainly tip off any of Abdulmutallab’s cohorts to start looking for new ground and to disconnect any network nodes of which the EunuchBomber had knowledge.

The second scenario would be that the White House finally acted after getting ripped by both Democrats and Republicans for their mishandling of the terrorist and the unilateral decision to keep him in the criminal system.  That would explain the testimony of Mueller, Blair, Napolitano, and Leiter in front of Congress — where deliberately giving false testimony is a crime, not a misdirection strategy.  Under this scenario, the administration finally got Abdulmutallab to talk by getting his family involved, but weeks too late to have anything helpful in stopping any other potential terrorist attacks.

Given this administration’s track record and the previous testimony to Congress, the second scenario seems significantly more likely.


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Well there you have it. Every Jehadist want-a-be must be equiped with a loving and caring family. If caring family isn’t available then one will be appointed to you at which time you will be given a Jehadist ID bracelet. With this bracelet and a desire to kill, our guys will be able to promptly contact your loving family and get you to “spill your guts” faster then you can say “Allahu Akbar”.

Yeah right. Enhance interrogation! It’s the option with the least amount of risk to family and relatives, on both sides of the ocean.

Electrongod on February 3, 2010 at 10:56 AM

In the days following the failed bombing, a pair of FBI agents flew to Nigeria and persuaded Abdulmutallab’s family to help them.

I sure hope that his daddy punched those FBI guys square in the mouth and told them that he tried to warn them months ago.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 10:58 AM

That makes no sense, at all. He’s not telling them squat, and they’re just saying he is NOW to cover their behinds.

changer1701 on February 3, 2010 at 10:59 AM

So, is this the “Talk or we’re gonna go get your Mommy” method of interrogation?

Spineless, feckless and late.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Barack CYA Obama- the only man that lathes envy.

profitsbeard on February 3, 2010 at 11:00 AM

The system worked.

BKeyser on February 3, 2010 at 11:00 AM

cooperating with investigators since last week,

The article fails to mention that he hadn’t been cooperating with investigatos since late 25 DEC when some putz who will remain unnamed granted UFA and his smoking johnson an ACLU lawyer.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM

What about the information he gave before given his “rights”, was it recorded? Was it given to people who would know what to do with it? They don’t seem prepared to me.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM

That criticism peaked last weekend when Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, in the weekly Republican address, accused the administration of having “a blind spot when it comes to the war on terrorism.”

The blind spot covers the entire binocular field of view. They cannot peek out from behind the green curtain to see the hot panties that would bring down US bound airliners. It simply doesn’t help get those who deserve healthcare what they need and they can’t blame GWB for it.//s/

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM

I don’t believe a word our Liar-in Chief and his sidekick Gibby-boy says….

lovingmyUSA on February 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM

talking due to plea deal as well…

cmsinaz on February 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM

This was predicted 6 weeks ago when Obama came out of the White House and saw his shadow.

diogenes on February 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Everything this admin puts out is mis-information to cover there pathetic sorry arses…

SHARPTOOTH on February 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Hell, even Toonces can keep it between the fencerows for a few hundred yards. This revelation here “The family is helping us make him talk” is the governing equivalent of the campaign statement made by Obama of “I..I’ve got a bracelet too.”

“uhh uhhh, we can make a terrorist talk too!”

Obamateur, a good solid B+ one at that.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM

If his family is involved, thank goodness they came forward after what they tried to do to get him from coming over here in the first place. His dad must think this country is run by morons….
Oh wait.

Brat4life on February 3, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Yeah right , it was all about him not understanding Obamas health care plan.

the_nile on February 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM

I posted this in another thread this morning. Sorry to repeat, but I thought it was interesting.

Someone sent me the following e-mail yesterday. Sounds like a “fishy” conspiracy theory, but it could explain why Obama is pushing to try radical Muslim terrorists in civilian courts:

If the Muslim Terrorists are tried in Military Tribunals, convicted, and sentenced to DEATH by the Military Tribunal, Barack Hussein Obama, as President of the United States , is required by United States Law to sign their Death Warrants before they are EXECUTED. He is not required to sign any death warrants if sentenced to death in a Civilian Court.

Now think about the Muslim Jihadist, Major Hassan who recently slaughtered his fellow soldiers at Ft. Hood , Texas . Major Hassan did not want to go to Afghanistan and be a part of anything that could lead to the deaths of fellow Muslims. He stated that Muslims should not and must not KILL FELLOW MUSLIMS.

Note: Let’s see who will end up trying Major Hassan — the military or civilian court.

Barack Hussein Obama’s motive is to make sure he does not have to sign death warrants for fellow Muslims who are convicted as Terrorist killers! Why would the President of the United States , not want to sign the death warrants for Muslim Terrorists who attacked the United States and MURDERED over 3,000 innocent United States Citizens on 911? Could it be that he is FORBIDDEN BY HIS RELIGION to have anything to do with the execution of Muslims? If you have doubt of his motive, look into his formative age education of daily indoctination into the Quran, the Muslim faith, and Sharia law.

John W. King, Attorney at Law
McAllen, Texas

UltimateBob on February 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Given this administration’s track record and the previous testimony to Congress, the second scenario seems significantly more likely.

Exactly! Wonder if the FBI has gotten that high value interrogation unit up and running yet. I hear their ‘looking for office space’. Wow! Next thing you know, they’ll be looking for ‘office supplies’.

GarandFan on February 3, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Saw on Fox, I believe, someone had read the interrogation report and they couldn’t question him any longer because the doctor had given him morphine for his injury. In steps the clusterfark administration who then gives him the Miranda rights. Who is smart enough in this group of clowns to think of sending the fbi to get mommy & daddy to come here and talk to sonny? This is trying to establish a comfort level with the suspect who will then feel good about surrendering or talking. Don’t think this guy knows that much about Yemen or anyone else besides his immediate handlers.

Kissmygrits on February 3, 2010 at 11:12 AM

See, we don’t need military tribunals or enhanced interrogation; we just need to sweet talk granny.

JusDreamin on February 3, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Axelrod said, “We have not lost anything as a result of how his case has been handled.”

Other than our enemy will not make this mistake again of recruiting a guy with strong infidel connections.

Electrongod on February 3, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I don’t believe a word of this story. It’s just more pushback from the White House to cover their butt’s because the American people are outraged over the “50 minute” interrogation.

This is all BS folks. Time to get some heavy duty boots to wade thru the crap this lying Administration is feeding us.

Knucklehead on February 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Let’s try him as minor and send him to juvy hall…

mjbrooks3 on February 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM

From the AP report:

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s cooperation could prove to be a national security victory and a political vindication for President Barack Obama, who has been under fire from lawmakers who contend the administration botched the case by giving Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent, rather than interrogating him as a military prisoner.

lol…they’re joking, right?

RepubChica on February 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM

They tortued this man by using his family?

In some cases, would that not be more cruel than ripping out his fingernails?

New liberal mantra: Stop the family-boarding!!!!!

UltimateBob on February 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Very interesting……

rukiddingme on February 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM

What is the WH going to say when the terrorists use families of the judges, jurors, and their communties to get a plea bargain?

fourdeucer on February 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Go Daddy!

becki51758 on February 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM

This is all BS folks. Time to get some heavy duty boots to wade thru the crap this lying Administration is feeding us.

Knucklehead on February 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM

I agree. They’re turd polishing at this point. They utterly botched this escapade.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:18 AM

lol…they’re joking, right?

RepubChica on February 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Sadly Chica, they have no sense of humor.

JusDreamin on February 3, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Even if this dubious report is correct its still immaterial because 24 hours after he failed, every bit of intel he had went by the sell by date.

Intel is extremely perishable. This piece is an attempt to white wash the foul up.

dogsoldier on February 3, 2010 at 11:19 AM

From the AP report:

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s cooperation could prove to be a national security victory and a political vindication for President Barack Obama

“ummm, uhhh, uh ..We can interrogate a prisoner too!”…

AP is noting that Little B+’s report card is better than last semester and that in “national security” he is making steady progress.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:20 AM

This story can’t be justification for a policy of trying terrorists in civilian courts. The story is simply CYA for the royal screw up in handling Abdulmuttalab.

What are the chances of the families of other terrorists convincing them to give statements to investigators? ZERO

slp on February 3, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s cooperation could prove to be a national security victory and a political vindication for President Barack Obama, who has been under fire from lawmakers who contend the administration botched the case by giving Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent, rather than interrogating him as a military prisoner.
lol…they’re joking, right?

RepubChica on February 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Actually when they control the information and the manner in which it is shared with the public they can tell their lies any way they want to.

thomasaur on February 3, 2010 at 11:22 AM

They should read him the Cairo Speech over and over…will drive him mad!

PattyJ on February 3, 2010 at 11:22 AM

dogsoldier on February 3, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Couldn’t agree more. If Al-Quada had something planned a few weeks after Christmas, that has all changed and the PantyBomber now has become irrelevant.

Electrongod on February 3, 2010 at 11:23 AM

National Pravda Radio had this story on just this morning.

Of course, no mention that after almost a month and a half, most of what PantyBomber knows is worthless to us.

Dark-Star on February 3, 2010 at 11:25 AM

I thought only the evil Bush/Cheney duo would be criminal enough to use a detainee’s family against them for interrogation purposes.

We are seeing a whole new level of evil here.

codepink/off

Lily on February 3, 2010 at 11:27 AM

The kids are in charge.

Happy Hump Day to getalife, wherever you are!

Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2010 at 11:28 AM

So after charges that Abdulmutallab clammed up and wasn’t providing useful information, the White House claims that Obama has started talking because of pressure from his family.

Yeah, that’s believable.

In a similar vein, security chiefs like Dennis Blair who had been angry about the way this situation has been handled are now saying it was handled appropriately.

Should we trust the raw initial response, or the one that comes after a private meeting with the WH?

hawksruleva on February 3, 2010 at 11:28 AM

My guess?

Plea deal was made with the family… Death penalty off the table… probably reduced Jail time.

Remember, there have been reports of a Plea deal out for awhile now… they just used the family to cement it…

Also, look to see if the family is now granted Asylum and American Citizenship, because they would be in danger if they return… and that of course will come with a nice house somewhere…

Romeo13 on February 3, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Obama channeling Claire McCaskil: “What, don’t you trust me?”

You got it Dude! First try too!

PappaMac on February 3, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Obama gets “vindication” by employing a terrorists family to get leverage, bypassing an incompetent defense lawyer.

How sad that that’s considered proof of a successful terrorism policy by the AP.

hawksruleva on February 3, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Next step,…the dreaded comfy chair.

a capella on February 3, 2010 at 11:30 AM

What kind of a terrorist is this guy that he would take a plea deal, really? And to bring his family into the equation? The 72 Virgins were enough for him to blow up a plane, but now that he is safely on the ground Allah is so much less important? The 72 Virgins don’t matter anymore?

I’m calling BS!

PappaMac on February 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Actually when they control the information and the manner in which it is shared with the public they can tell their lies any way they want to.

thomasaur on February 3, 2010 at 11:22 AM

For sure. Just wish we had a media in place that actually challenges power and does real investigating than merely putting out stenography. Pathetic.

RepubChica on February 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM

I don’t see any reason for this to be taken at face value. It’s awfully convenient, especially when the AP report is touting “political vindication” for Obama based on this sudden turnaround.

I think it’s all BS.

changer1701 on February 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM

This is pure grade D bullsh*t!

There has been a lot of criticism from the Left and the Right about the way the admisistration conducted with the mirandizing of a foreign terrorist. . Now they’re tap dancing all over the place trying to make it look like they’re really tough and concerned about the safety of the country and not the reputation/popularity of the Prom King “Beer-Rack Who-sayin’ Obamination

flameofjudah on February 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM

I bet they promised his family instant legal status after he promised to tell the truth start talking. He played them like the amateurs they are.

SouthernGent on February 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Romeo13 on February 3, 2010 at 11:28 AM

His dad is loaded and a VIP in Nigeria. Could be we’re hitting him up for a loan to tide us over.

a capella on February 3, 2010 at 11:34 AM

SouthernGent on February 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Why would he want his family to get legal status to be in a country of which he was trying to blow up a plane? Isn’t the US the great Satan?

This doesn’t make any sense at all.

PappaMac on February 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM

So I have a question: If and when this case goes to trial will the family have to take the stand? What if instead of saying they were cooperating with the FBI, they say they were coerced? What happens then?

If you were AQ now, if you send someone on a mission and they survive because of incompetence (TG) is your next step to kill any family members esp if AQ knows beforehand that the family is not a supporter of AQ ?

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM

The only family I’d like to see help this guy talk is an Italian family.

Daggett on February 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM

For sure. Just wish we had a media in place that actually challenges power and does real investigating than merely putting out stenography. Pathetic.

RepubChica on February 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Put the National Enquirer on it.

a capella on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

The family must have had a computer that belonged to the crotch bomber because they were arresting his associates in Malaysia before any of this cooperation with Torchie was supposed to have began. I don’t see any way they could have known about the associates in Malaysia without something like that happening.

Buddahpundit on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Saw on Fox, I believe, someone had read the interrogation report and they couldn’t question him any longer because the doctor had given him morphine for his injury. In steps the clusterfark administration who then gives him the Miranda rights.

If the Administration had been smart, they would have taken Great Balls of Fire to the nearest military compound to Detroit, and interrogators would make a deal with him: If you tell us who sent you and where they are, we’ll give you a morphine shot…otherwise we’ll pour more peroxide on!

Steve Z on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Are they going to provide the family with protection? I would think this puts the family in danger of becoming a terrorist target. Maybe the WH should shut up.

ramrants on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

I don’t see any reason for this to be taken at face value. It’s awfully convenient, especially when the AP report is touting “political vindication” for Obama based on this sudden turnaround.

I think it’s all BS.

changer1701 on February 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM

There’s no vindication until there’s a block-wire chart built with all of UFA’s contacts/enablers/suppliers/underwear sewers outlined on it. Each should have a picture/location and either a big red X or a “CAPTURED” on it. There’s no vindication unless we are convinced that this developed into intelligence that was acted upon and that the network that provided him with the means to commit this atrocity is destroyed.

Scalps.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Also, look to see if the family is now granted Asylum and American Citizenship, because they would be in danger if they return… and that of course will come with a nice house somewhere…

Romeo13 on February 3, 2010 at 11:28 AM

They wouldn’t be much safer in America. There’s plenty of angry Muslims walking around that could do them harm, though I suspect that Al Qaeda doesn’t much care what happens to Abdulmutallab, his family, or the other bombers that Umar knew about.

It’d be like being angry over losing a bullet before it had a chance be shot from your gun. The Umars of the movement are just cannon fodder, and as such they’re replacable and expandable.

Americans have a hard time understanding our enemy, because we’ve outlawed ruthlessness.

hawksruleva on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

All this, and the fact that we may have another major hit on our soil, by terrorists, in 3 to 6 months? Wow! Are we lucky or what?!?!

I also heard on the news this morning, AQ is trying to recruit younguns, that have no record of anything, to board planes now. So they won’t be on a no fly list, or terrorist watch list. This just gets better, and better, doesn’t it?

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

I think the story is pure BS. The administration is simply trying to save face after stupidly allowing this man to be read his Miranda rights.

zoyclem on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Odamna’s strategy: Say whatever they want to hear; do what the he11 you want. The man is a liar. His administration is dishonest. There is not a shred of truth to anything that comes out of the Liar in Chief’s mouth. Believe him at your peril.

Crusader Rabbit on February 3, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Questions:

1)When this case goes to court what happens when the family takes the stand and instead of saying that they freely cooperated they say that they were coerced or threatened?

2) If you are AQ and you know that the family does not share your homicide bombers radical views and they survive because of incompetence/bravery of American citizens (TG) do you kill/threaten those family members now?

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 3, 2010 at 11:40 AM

zoyclem on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Completely agree. This is all just political white wash BS.

PappaMac on February 3, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Did our government get a package deal on washed up SNL comics? Franken in the Senate and Lovitz in White House messaging perhaps?

RW_theoriginal on February 3, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Sorry- didn’t see my post come up right away.

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 3, 2010 at 11:41 AM

How inept are you if your plan is to use a Terrorist’s estranged parents to try to get information out of him that you couldn’t? That is usually used as the last result by the local LEOs.

kingsjester on February 3, 2010 at 11:43 AM

This is such blatant BS. I suspect that even the most partisan hacks in the MSM felt a need to wash their hands after reporting this crap.

paragon27x on February 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM

I also heard on the news this morning, AQ is trying to recruit younguns, that have no record of anything, to board planes now. So they won’t be on a no fly list, or terrorist watch list. This just gets better, and better, doesn’t it?

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

And what do you want to bet they’ll look NOTHING like our pathetic profiling stereotypes?

That’ll mean three of our ‘best’ defences nullified right there, leaving little more than our technology-based stuff, which has been proven to be spotty at best.

Dark-Star on February 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM

All this, and the fact that we may have another major hit on our soil, by terrorists, in 3 to 6 months? Wow! Are we lucky or what?!?!

That will be the final nail in Obama’s national security credentials.

I also heard on the news this morning, AQ is trying to recruit younguns, that have no record of anything, to board planes now. So they won’t be on a no fly list, or terrorist watch list. This just gets better, and better, doesn’t it?

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM

I imagine there is also a good supply of blonde, blue eyed, pale skinned recruits in the que. Here’s a thought,…what if the next attempt is with a contagious biological agent, requiring quarantines and restricted citizen mobility around the time of the midterm elections? Never let a good crisis go to waste.

a capella on February 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Citing unnamed “officials,” the AP reports that the FBI and the CIA have begun to get information from Abdulmutallab despite having clammed up after getting Mirandized. The key, they claim, was to get his family involved in breaking his resistance

:

To quote Joe Wilson, You Lie!

This administration botched this from the beginning. The entire national security apparatus was either on vaction or not contacted. The “system worked” despite the fact that Eric Holder was the only one involved in the decision to mirandize the terrorist (with not earthly reason why this had to be a rapid decision). And now, weeks later, they expect us to trust them and believe that they didn’t screw up?

Nice try you bastards but you have no credibility- especially since you all pretend as if this all went down precisely as intended.

highhopes on February 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM

a capella on February 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM

You bet. Obama declares a national emergency, and marshall law, and he’ll martyr himself, and make himself president for a longer period of time, because it’s the right, just, and unprecendented thing to do.

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM

How inept are you if your plan is to use a Terrorist’s estranged parents to try to get information out of him that you couldn’t? That is usually used as the last result by the local LEOs.

kingsjester on February 3, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Right on. How do you start in on the kid? “Hey, UFA, mom here tells us that you should tell us about all the mean people you know….?”

or, “Tell us all you know or there’s not going to be any cookies coming in that prison care package that she’s packing for you…?”

This just illuminates the ineptness and dysfunctional paradigms that these guys see the world through. They’re the only adults around, terrorists are children behaving badly, and conservatives are enemies.

Room 101.

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

That’ll mean three of our ‘best’ defences nullified right there, leaving little more than our technology-based stuff, which has been proven to be spotty at best.

Dark-Star on February 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM

The passengers are truly the first responders to these attacks since the adminstration won’t even do the minimum to deal with these attacks as terrorism. The lectured us to not jump to conclusions over Hassan killing 14 at Ft. Hood. There never was any thought of treating Abdulmutallab any differently than they would deal with somebody smoking in the aircraft’s lavatory. And I won’t even begin to go into the many ways they ignored actionable intelligence before Abdulmutallab got on that plane.

Face it. Obama may hate Vegas but he expects Americans to gamble everytime they get on a plane because his administration doesn’t take the threat of terrorism seriously. Even this lie about Abdulmutallab becoming a chatty cathy is nothing more than political CYA for a bunch of people who should be fired for their incompetence.

highhopes on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Can someone please tell me what was done differently with the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber?

YYZ on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I’m still trying to figure out why Gitmo is a recruiting tool but a “fair” trail, where the outcome of a guilty verdict and an execution has been guaranted by CIC and his minions, has zero impact on the Muslim world?

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Face it. Obama may hate Vegas but he expects Americans to gamble everytime they get on a plane because his administration doesn’t take the threat of terrorism seriously.
highhopes on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I agree, he expects Americans to gamble on this, but it just occurred to me. Does he not take it seriously, or does he just not care? He said he’d stand by his muslim brothers, and by his words, and actions as an Illinois, and U.S. senator…..he seems to be against America on this issue. I think he just doesn’t care if we are attacked again, or how many American lives will be lost. He’ll only care, for what political gain it will bring him. He’s just that stupid, to think Americans will see him as some hero, and want him for a life time.

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Can someone please tell me what was done differently with the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber?

YYZ on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

shoe bomber–no military commissions established soon after 9/11. Few facilities capable of handling intelligence needed to conduct trial, maintain OPSEC, and house enemy.

underwear bomber– military commissions established. Facilities built to both try combatants, store intel and house enemy. (GTMO)

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Can someone please tell me what was done differently with the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber?

YYZ on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

If memory serves here….when the Shoe bomber issue happened, there were no military tribunals set up yet. Now we have them…and that’s where Abdulmutallab should be. Had they been set up when the Shoe bomber made his attempt, I have no doubts he would have been tried within the confines of the military.

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 12:00 PM

ted c on February 3, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Yeah…what Ted said. lol You worded it so much better..and thank you!

capejasmine on February 3, 2010 at 12:01 PM

YYZ on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Well for starters the outcome of the trial wasn’t broadcast. Mr. Reid’s attempt took place on 12/01, bombing of Afghanistan began in 2002 and Iraq in 2003, there was no war or enemy combantants when his attempt was made.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2010 at 12:02 PM

The utter stupidity of this WH and Justice brings us not being protected and the dude getting a nice plea bargain

“Nice boy, slap, slap, you can go home now”.

Morons are in charge and we must fear, fear.

Lack of security will ruin this stupid bunch in Wash. In the meanwhile protect yourself and family.

Schadenfreude on February 3, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Can someone please tell me what was done differently with the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber?

YYZ on February 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM

The left keeps bringing this up as if it were relevant. It is not. Reid acted three months after the 9/11/01 atrocities. Much of the rules, procedures, etc. for military tribunals for terrorists were still being formulated. It is the current options that should have been considered this Christmas, not comparing it to whatever happened eight years ago.

Nevertheless, it keeps coming up as a comparison because somebody has to protect Holder, Nepalatano, and the filthy lying coward in the White House.

highhopes on February 3, 2010 at 12:09 PM

In the days following the failed bombing, a pair of FBI agents flew to Nigeria and persuaded Abdulmutallab’s family to help them. When the agents returned to the U.S., Abdulmutallab’s family came, too, according to a senior administration official briefed on the case. The family persuaded Abdulmutallab to work with the FBI,

In some families, this activity would be classified as torture.

BobMbx on February 3, 2010 at 12:18 PM

The second scenario would be that the White House finally acted after getting ripped by both Democrats and Republicans for their mishandling of the terrorist and the unilateral decision to keep him in the criminal system. That would explain the testimony of Mueller, Blair, Napolitano, and Leiter in front of Congress — where deliberately giving false testimony is a crime, not a misdirection strategy.

A crime prosecuted not by Congress (which is in Democratic hands at the moment), but by the same Obama administration that would be lying to Congress, or at least a special prosecutor appointed by the same Obama administration that would be lying to Congress. Congress’ only “law enforcement” power is impeachment, which is highly unlikely as long as Democrats have so much as 34 seats in the Senate.

You also underestimate the power to prosecute and not prosecute, as well as the everything-except-impeachment pardon power. As long as the Democrats have the power to block both prosecution and impeachment, there is no legal or Constitutional punishment for Democratic administration officials lying to Congress.

I’ll take door #3. They’re being “less than truthful” about the cooperation of Abdulmutallab.

steveegg on February 3, 2010 at 12:27 PM

I’m still trying to figure out why Gitmo is a recruiting tool but a “fair” trail, where the outcome of a guilty verdict and an execution has been guaranted by CIC and his minions, has zero impact on the Muslim world?

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2010 at 11:56 AM

You assume the goal of those prejudicial statements from the Obama administration is not to cause a mistrial to be declared, resulting in KSM and company walking.

steveegg on February 3, 2010 at 12:30 PM

steveegg on February 3, 2010 at 12:30 PM

First, thanks for not making fun of trail/trial (good grief). If KSM were to walk it better not happen until after the next election. I would think that it would be a deal breaker for just about everyone but the ACLU.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2010 at 12:36 PM

So, the newest spin from the White House is essentially, “No harm, no foul?” How can they possibly say that their idiocy resulted in no harm? Or will result in no harm in the future?

First, recall that one of the first AQ plots, i.e., Bojinka, involved the very type of attack attempted by Fruit of the Boom employing several trans-Pacific airliners. Then, recall that the time frame between the first plane hitting the World Trade Center and the plane hitting the Pentagon was approximately 50 minutes.

Now, consider the 50 minutes of interrogation in this context. There does not appear to have been any appreciation by the Customs and FBI agents questioning Fruit of the possibility of other bombers on other trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific flights. When the heads of our homeland and national security agencies testified that they were not consulted regarding whether to Mirandize Fruit, they left the distinct impression that they weren’t even informed about the attack itself for purposes of attempting to determine its scope or to prepare a response. Was Fruit merely the tip of the spear or was he the spear itself? No one appears to have given it a thought. Much better to make sure that Fruit gets medical treatment while we wait for another jet to explode somewhere else in our air space.

And to even attempt to discover and take defensive action against a Bojinka-type attack, the Customs and FBI officials would have had to ask questions concerning names of people with whom Fruit potty-trained in Yemen. Names? Aliases? Contacts? Flights? Departures? Destinations? The entire homeland security apparatus should have been up and running, even with the revelation of his training in Yemen, trying to find anyone with Yemeni ties on inbound flights.

Again, it appears that no one even thought about this. Instead, the agents on the ground called … the lawyers. Prosecution was the focus, neither prevention nor protection. A foreign national goes all Slim Pickins in Dr. Strangelove by riding a rather unconventional missile/bomb into our air space, and this Administration thinks the Fifth Amendment applies when the Supremes have never so held (and would get impeached if they ever did so hold). No doubt the lawyers consulted in the immediacy of the attack were able to set aside their conflict of interest in previously representing Hamdi, Rasul and Boumedienne to determine that the security of American citizens required treating Fruit like he was a common criminal.

I feel so much more secure knowing the lawyers are making national security decisions, don’t you?

And they’re still doing it. As Andy McCarthy pointed out a NRO yesterday, President Obama could enter an executive order this second designating Fruit as an unlawful enemy combatant, whisk him down to Gitmo, and start grilling him completely unfettered by evidentiary, i.e., admissibility and confidentiality considerations.

So what he’s talking because his family convinced him? He is still being represented by an attorney, who no doubt is present throughout questioning, who is likely not cleared to hear confidential intelligence that it is essential Fruit be questioned about. Remember Lynne Stewart and the Blind Sheik. She passed on the names of some 200 AQ suspects to AQ and, through that disclosure, ordered by the district court, bin Laden discovered that we were tracking his cell phone and quit using it.

If Fruit’s lawyer is present, whoever is questioning him cannot do so in a manner calculated to get everything out of him as quickly as possible. They will hold back in fear of disclosing intelligence to the lawyer. The lawyer’s presence will also give Fruit cover to discontinue the questioning whenever he wants, for “consultation” or otherwise.

Meanwhile, we are in the very “ticking bomb” scenario for which the Democrats have said they might consider permitting the use of enhanced interrogation techniques and no one seems to give a rodent’s behind. Fruit’s information could either directly or in conjunction with other intelligence reveal AQ’s plans for attacking this country. Fruit said that others would follow. bin Laden has issued two audio recordings since Christmas. The Brits report more attempts by individuals on the “no fly” list to get to this country. And yesterday, we find out that it is very likely that we’re about to get hit in the next few months.

And we’re playing paddycake with Fruit and his family and his lawyer and with every criminal/terrorist advocacy group who views this guy as their next legal martyr.

Bottom line. We are watching impeachable misconduct occur before our very eyers. This Administration. This President is playing with the lives of the citizens he is sworn to protect, all out of some misguided sense that Cumbaya justice is the American way. God help him if we find out the next successful terrorist attack involved individuals who trained in Yemen.

This isn’t diddling some intern next to the Oval Office. This is intentionally hamstringing the ability of our security agencies to protect us by collecting critical intelligence, and doing so without any textual constitutional authority or any express interpretation by the Supremes that the Bill of Rights requires such limitation.

Furious does not describe the anger I feel under the circumstances.

Mongo Mere Pawn on February 3, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Per Drudge, AG Holder confesses to decision to charge and prosecute Fruit of the Boom in civil court. If he has not been forced to resign in the next 48 hours, then Republicans have no gonads whatsoever. Investigating the CIA. Disclosing interrogation documents. Trying KSM in civil district court in New York. Mirandizing a foreign national captured in the course of an act of war against this country. Permitting attorneys with clear conflicts of interest to influence policy concerning whether and how to deal with foreign nationals captured in the course of an act of war against this country.

At least AG Gonzalez was trying to keep us from getting killed.

Mongo Mere Pawn on February 3, 2010 at 1:28 PM

The family persuaded Abdulmutallab to work with the FBI, believing he would be treated fairly in U.S. courts

The F*cking Retards FBI gave him a deal. They’re giving a plea bargain to a TERRORIST!!

iurockhead on February 3, 2010 at 2:05 PM

FBI gave him a deal. They’re giving a plea bargain to a TERRORIST!!

iurockhead on February 3, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Fred and Jeri Thompson agree that’s what Obama’s administration has done, pointing out that Obama’s government of “transparency” must admit publicly their deal with terrorists. And as things stand, the only transparency in Obama’s administration enables terrorism against our nation.

BTW, the foolish mindset that the USA can buy off terrorists to keep them at arms length displays how Obama’s PC interferes with our military efforts, as well. You can’t buy loyalty abroad (or at home) from the Taliban, al Qaeda, or any terrorist with anti-USA sentiment.

maverick muse on February 3, 2010 at 2:12 PM

You can’t buy loyalty abroad (or at home) from the Taliban, al Qaeda, or any terrorist with anti-USA sentiment.

maverick muse on February 3, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Perhaps not. But “loyalty” could be assured by giving each and every one of them a brain implant. Very simple device, half an inch long, encased in metal, and about 7.62 mm in diameter.

iurockhead on February 3, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Family, his dad did report him after all, was the only thing that could possibly make the Administration’s story true. Barring that it has to be a flat out lie.

A man who is willing to kill himself and others has very little reason to just start spilling everything he knows about the people he was willing to die for a month ago.

I still think the administration is lying. And I think all their past behavior is only consistent with lying and not that there is anything valuable coming from the pantie bomber.

petunia on February 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM

In a way, I’d like to think that someone had their head screwed on right — if not in the Obama inner circle, at least lower down in the intelligence ranks.

My take is someone saw the door closed on forced interrogation and recognized that the undie-bomber is not really a tough, battle-hardened terrorist anyway — but a mis-guided youth from a loving, concerned family — so the go-softly route might actually work on him. (I really doubt anyone close to Obama saw that, or that anyone acted on it until other options were already off the table.) Anyways, looks like it worked this time, and the Obama Gang is rushing in to take credit even if it screws up the whole deal.

The good news is, it may have worked. And ObamAyres will have many other chances to show what a far King wee tad he is.

starboardhelm on February 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Coddler-In-Chief.

David2.0 on February 3, 2010 at 3:21 PM

The real reason it took 6 weeks:

The family had trouble getting a flight from Nigeria. They ran into red tape because they had current visas, round trip tickets and luggage. That could make anyone suspect.

/s

Pazman on February 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM

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