Canadian province premier bails on single-payer system for surgery

posted at 9:25 am on February 2, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Last August, in the middle of a season of politician-roasting town halls over the government overhaul of the American health-care system, the Detroit Free Press reported that our neighbors to the north had begun contracting with American hospitals to handle overflow from their oft-praised single-payer system.  The effort by Canada attempted to legitimize a natural flow of people with means across the border to seek the immediate care that Canada’s fully-public system could not provide.  That story didn’t get too much traction in either the US or Canada, mainly due to the efforts of politicians in both countries insisting that central control of the health-care sector is necessary for reform.

However, that may change now that a prominent politician in Canada has followed the same path as many of his fellow citizens in order to save his own life:

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 60, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier’s office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure.

If an American governor had to go outside the US to seek the kind of immediate care he needed, that would be considered scandalous.  In fact, if an American governor had to leave his or her own state to seek expert care, I’d expect it to be a fairly controversial move, unless it was treatment for a rather exotic malady that perhaps only a Mayo clinic could handle.

In this case, one of the governing elite that insists on imposing a single-payer system on the rest of the country has opted out of it when the going got tough. Williams passionately defended the socialist system in Canada as recently as 2008, as Ezra Levant and Kate at Small Dead Animals note:

The motto among the statists seems to be: State-controlled access for thee, instant access for me.

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The motto among the statists seems to be: State-controlled access for thee, instant access for me.

Some animals are more equal than others.

MarkTheGreat on February 2, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Comin’ on down to the good ole USA for proper health care, before obambicare is enacted…this just speaks volumes!

bernzright777 on February 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Do as I say, not as I do.

OmahaConservative on February 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Some members of my family keep trying to tell me that Canadians have no problem with “singer payer” health care. Well, this Canadian does. And, he is got to be hoping that we here in the U.S. do not go down that socialist road. After all, he needs the best health care available.

sheriff246 on February 2, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Where will people like this go after the Democrats ruin our system here in the USA? You’d think that Canadians would be yelling STOP at the top of their lungs simply to save their own lives. America isn’t going to be a revolving hospital door once the government takes over healthcare access, unless you are one of the favored elites, of course.

Mord on February 2, 2010 at 9:32 AM

But Michael Moore said that the Canadian health care system was effing beautiful!

Really Right on February 2, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Will this make the 6pm news ??

wheels on February 2, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Hypocrisy on a world class level. I hope Scott Brown is our savior.

apoole on February 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM

This is a “shooting fish in a barrel” story.

rbj on February 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM

State-Run Media: I see nothiiing…nothiiing….

kingsjester on February 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM

This reminds me of the government-issued guildelines on mammograms that validated concerns over government intervention given too much power.

Whoa* Bad timing, eh?

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Deny him access. Lead by example.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

mechkiller_k on February 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Ouch.

In a good kind of way, of course…a hypocrisy-revealing delicious way.

Bob's Kid on February 2, 2010 at 9:36 AM

On the other hand, my family is headed to Mexico right now for dental work. Texas retirement plan doesn’t cover dental. For expensive work, private plans are worthless.

The solution? Apparently, there’s a hot little dental business going right across the border in AZ. And it’s reputable, far less expensive.

You drive to AZ, and you take the “Dental bus.” :)

So, globalization comes to medical care.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Cuba!

artist on February 2, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Canadians Protest Plans to Ration Health Care in U.S. http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/07/canadians-protest-plans-to-ration.html

Mervis Winter on February 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM

I’d like to hear some interviews with warehoused Canadian heart patients sitting around, waiting for their turn to have “heart surgery.”

The Reasonable Man on February 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM

My Canadian friends were indignant with me when their health-care system got dragged into our health care debate.

“Leave us out of your politics. Our health care system works very well, best in the world. That you do not trust it is no failing of ours,” they would say to me.

“I daresay your own people do not trust it,” I replied.

I wonder how they’ll feel when I inform them of this.

KinleyArdal on February 2, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Good enough for thee but not for my sorry hide. This is what it will be like under Obamacare, too. Really good medical clinics will set up elsewhere and we’ll have to go there to get urgent help. A govt run system is only good if you are healthy and can stay that way(don’t use it)not so good if you really need it to stay alive.

Kissmygrits on February 2, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Good enough for thee but not for my sorry hide. This is what it will be like under Obamacare, too. Really good medical clinics will set up elsewhere and we’ll have to go there to get urgent help. A govt run system is only good if you are healthy and can stay that way(don’t use it)not so good if you really need it to stay alive.

Kissmygrits on February 2, 2010 at 9:40 AM

It will be a bit of capitalism, I think. If you can pay cash, you’ll get that quality care so often discussed.

Otherwise, I wouldn’t count on it.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:42 AM

There is a common thread among the statist elites of all countries, they are immune to irony.

cruadin on February 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

I’ll be interested to hear more details about this. Was he put on one of those 6-12 month waiting lists for a by-pass? That kind of cardiac Russian roulette wouldn’t work for someone with a busy life. My father was ‘lucky’ – he got around the waiting list to see a cardiologist (3 months) and then for surgery (G*d knows how long) by having a mild heart attack. Mind you, if it had been a severe heart attack he’d be dead.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

There is a common thread among the statist elites of all countries, they are immune to irony.

cruadin on February 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

I agree.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

You drive to AZ, and you take the “Dental bus.” :)

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

I have friends and family in Washington State that travel to Mexico for dental work. Lower prices through less operating costs and still the same quality of work. go figure.

Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

So, globalization comes to medical care.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

That only works until the care there becomes “reformed” as well. Indulging the “conspiracy theorist within”, I might wonder if one of the main reasons ideologues like Obama are so hot to spread the U.S. wealth around is to spread government around so that there will be no alternatives to their Utopian “solutions”. Not just health care, but jobs, education, etc…

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 9:46 AM

I think the discussion about Canadian healthcare is irrelevant to the US. We’re way bigger. Whatever our own solutions are will not be the same as what works for them.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Canada’s health care system, for all its tremendous cost, doesn’t cover dental care.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Deny him access. Lead by example.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

mechkiller_k on February 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM

I agree with you on principle, but it’s wrong to deny a person life-saving care to prove a point. I say charge him enough to financially break him instead and build a new wing on the hospital he uses.

Mord on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

I’d say Williams owes his constituents an explanation, but he will probably just turtle if challenged.

forest on February 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Obama’s socialized healthcare will eventually kill you . . . if you have a good veterinarian for your pet you may be better off going there.

rplat on February 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

About dental: Find a Chinese dentist in your town and pay cash. Great technical work. Not for cosmetics though…

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

That only works until the care there becomes “reformed” as well.

I agree. But it’s not reform, it’ll be profits. *haha

They’ll close the gap, of course. Greed is the constant in such endeavors.

Right now? It’s attractive.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

I am glad we can help this gentleman. Let’s hope he remembers it.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM

About dental: Find a Chinese dentist in your town and pay cash. Great technical work. Not for cosmetics though…

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Interesting. This is implants. The private plan is worthless, frankly. Might as well not have it.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM

I think the discussion about Canadian healthcare is irrelevant to the US. We’re way bigger. Whatever our own solutions are will not be the same as what works for them.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Are you dense or deliberately obtuse? Democrats want the exact same system here in the US that Canada has.

Mord on February 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM

There is a common thread among the statist elites of all countries, they are immune to irony shame and disgrace.

cruadin on February 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM
FIFY

Shy Guy on February 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM

My husband races in FL with a local Porsche club. In the winter, the track is filled with Canadian docs and nurses who race with the club as a hobby. They also come here to do any surgical or other procedures they can have done while here.

They completely trash the Canadian system and are very concerned about the direction USA is going with this. For routine things (colds, kids check ups) the system up there is ok. But God help you if you really need medical attention.

stenwin77 on February 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Canada’s health care system, for all its tremendous cost, doesn’t cover dental care.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Interesting. Well, my example was just to show that even middle-class people are finding solutions, too, in unique ways.

But that is interesting.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:51 AM

After Obamacare is passed, anyone interested in starting up a low cost airline to India?

BowHuntingTexas on February 2, 2010 at 9:51 AM

I think the discussion about Canadian healthcare is irrelevant to the US. We’re way bigger. Whatever our own solutions are will not be the same as what works for them.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

That’s a joke, right?

stenwin77 on February 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM

I have friends and family in Washington State that travel to Mexico for dental work. Lower prices through less operating costs and still the same quality of work. go figure.

Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

She was considering the Dental School here, but her Dentist friend said, “Go to Mexico.”

They have good dental schools and those guys know what they are doing. It’s safe.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM

These “world leaders” can go anywhere to have care…that is why they have no problem passing whatever “cost saving” bill they can.
They all have jobs, well paid, they all have hospitalization, they all have benefits, they all have, have, have….that why they take, take, take, so they can have, have, have.
And, of course, their answer is, they are more important then us because they are “leaders”, no ever realizing the irony that WE choose the leaders. They are serving at our whim.
George Orwell was an absolute genius with his book Animal Farm…

right2bright on February 2, 2010 at 9:53 AM

I hope those simple souls in Canada who voted this clown into office vote him out. The stench of his hypocrisy is overwhelming.

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

It will be a bit of capitalism, I think. If you can pay cash, you’ll get that quality care so often discussed.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:42 AM

I fear that once you’re on the gov. plan there will be no cash payment option. It would be unfair to the others in the waiting room that are on the plan and don’t have the cash.

Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

There is no hypocrisy on the Canadian side…most of their leaders have come to the US for health care for decades. The hypocrisy is that leaders on our side of the border don’t want to go to Canada for health care.

neoavatara on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

But Ed, he’s not one of the little people…….

Vashta.Nerada on February 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Where’d a Newfie get the kind of scratch needed to fly to the US for heart surgery…? ;)

Kidding. But the story is very telling.

JohnTant on February 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Why isn’t Drywall the canuck troll weighing in on this one?

Probably make an aspirin run to Detroit.

fogw on February 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM

this story is just too delicious.

thanks for posting ed.

ted c on February 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM

I fear that once you’re on the gov. plan there will be no cash payment option. It would be unfair to the others in the waiting room that are on the plan and don’t have the cash.

Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

You’re probably right.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:58 AM

neoavatara on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Look closely. The hypocrisy lies in his advocation of a system he refuses to use himself.

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Here’s another globalization tale. In SD, unions have negotiated plans that allow Americans to use Mexican medical services.

Apparently, the plan covers way more. Since they live so close, it’s not a big deal to travel. A lot of people opted for those plans over US plans.

go figure is right!

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM

That’s San Diego, btw.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Medical care for those posing as aristocrats in statist government, but most certainly not for the little people.

“The bigger the government, the smaller the people.”

America, home of the (mostly) free rather than free. Canada’s economy is now rated as freer than ours.

maverick muse on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Hypocrisy? Really? Just because one Canadian who can afford it comes to the US for health care means that the Canadian system is bad?

Maybe Ed can then comment on all the Americans that come to Canada to buy medecine. Or maybe Ed can comment on all the Americans that go to India or other 3rd world countries for medical tourism.

This is yet another story which misses the point about the problem with healthcare. The issue has never been if rich people like Rush or connected people can get stellar treatment. The issue is if the health care system serves the need of the population as a whole.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Where’d a Newfie get the kind of scratch needed to fly to the US for heart surgery…? ;)

Kidding. But the story is very telling.

JohnTant on February 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM

The taxpayers, silly. Or maybe his name is on one of the Air Pelosi manifests?

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

I think the discussion about Canadian healthcare is irrelevant to the US. We’re way bigger. Whatever our own solutions are will not be the same as what works for them.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

And once again Ann goes off the meds…

angryed on February 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Virginia state senate has passed a bill that will allow citizens of that state to go around the individual mandate to buy health insurance.

If too many states do this, Obamacare is DOA. the individual mandate is a core funding mechanism.

Mord on February 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM

I think the discussion about Canadian healthcare is irrelevant to the US. We’re way bigger. Whatever our own solutions are will not be the same as what works for them.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

The point is, it doesn’t work for them.

Vashta.Nerada on February 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM

I hope this “floater” survives his operation and recovers nicely so that the people of his province can kick his perfectly healthy, useless a$$ out in the cold of the great white north. That is, if they have any sense at all and, well…we are talking about Canadians, right?

Extrafishy on February 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM

These “world leaders” can go anywhere to have care…that is why they have no problem passing whatever “cost saving” bill they can.
They all have jobs, well paid, they all have hospitalization, they all have benefits, they all have, have, have….that why they take, take, take, so they can have, have, have.
And, of course, their answer is, they are more important then us because they are “leaders”, no ever realizing the irony that WE choose the leaders. They are serving at our whim.
George Orwell was an absolute genius with his book Animal Farm…

right2bright on February 2, 2010 at 9:53 AM

It’s the new classism: Private versus Public employment.

I agree. They have not gone through the process of having their benefits programs cut and diced to save costs.

It’s still pretty theoretical for many people. They “hear” private employees, but until you’ve experienced it, you don’t really know.

It’s time to insist on benefits reductions for government employees.

End of story.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:02 AM

I don’t think either of Obama’s two girls will be waiting in any stinking health care service queue as will inevitably be required of those in Obamacare, if they are in any kind of discomfort at all.

Paul-Cincy on February 2, 2010 at 10:02 AM

The motto among the statists seems to be: State-controlled access for thee, instant access for me.

Hasn’t this hypocracy always been the case: Well stocked shops, Zil limos, special lanes on Moscow streets, and dachas for Communist Party Members? Nothing new here. Reid/Pelosi will never, EVER spend on second waiting for an MRI.

mugged on February 2, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Hypocrisy? Really? Just because one Canadian who can afford it comes to the US for health care means that the Canadian system is bad?

Maybe Ed can then comment on all the Americans that come to Canada to buy medecine. Or maybe Ed can comment on all the Americans that go to India or other 3rd world countries for medical tourism.

This is yet another story which misses the point about the problem with healthcare. The issue has never been if rich people like Rush or connected people can get stellar treatment. The issue is if the health care system serves the need of the population as a whole.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Sorry dude, your MSNBC talking points don’t work this time. He is going to the US because he cannot get the surgery he needs in Canada. That’s all there is to it.

You notice Rush didn’t have to go to India right? Well the premier of a province is on the same footing. And he has to leave his glorious socialist system and go to big bad evil America to get the best care.

angryed on February 2, 2010 at 10:03 AM

A lot of the budget is to maintain the same benefits levels. Actually, that isn’t necessary.

The government could cut costs, by tackling that issue. It’s time they do so.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:03 AM

I thought Cuba had the best health care system. Why doesn’t he go to Cuba?

I fear that once you’re on the gov. plan there will be no cash payment option.
Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Seems to me it’s inevitable. If not at first, then in a few years. We’ll get only what the gubmint offers, using our own money to buy medical services won’t be permitted, and our only choice will be to take what gubmint offers or leave it. Too old for heart surgery? Your tough luck. Too old for hip replacement? So sad.

That’s why they call it “death panels”.

petefrt on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

I am glad we can help this gentleman. Let’s hope he remembers it.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Help? Isn’t he simply paying for a service? How is that “helping” anyone? Isn’t this capitalism at its best?

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

The issue has never been if rich people like Rush or connected people can get stellar treatment. The issue is if the health care system serves the need of the population as a whole.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Yet another who just doesn’t GET THE POINT. Canada’s healthcare system (the model democrats are using) doesn’t provide the care this guy wants. Where is he going to go after we “reform” our system on their model?

Mord on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Hypocrisy? Really? Just because one Canadian who can afford it comes to the US for health care means that the Canadian system is bad?

Maybe Ed can then comment on all the Americans that come to Canada to buy medecine. Or maybe Ed can comment on all the Americans that go to India or other 3rd world countries for medical tourism.

This is yet another story which misses the point about the problem with healthcare. The issue has never been if rich people like Rush or connected people can get stellar treatment. The issue is if the health care system serves the need of the population as a whole.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

You need to ask all the cardiac patients in Canada on waiting lists. At least, the ones that are still alive.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

This is yet another story which misses the point about the problem with healthcare. The issue has never been if rich people like Rush or connected people can get stellar treatment. The issue is if the health care system serves the need of the population as a whole.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Well, the point is becoming more and more… Does the Middle Class want some version of the Canadian Healthcare system…

MeatHeadinCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Sorry dude, your MSNBC talking points don’t work this time. He is going to the US because he cannot get the surgery he needs in Canada. That’s all there is to it.

You notice Rush didn’t have to go to India right? Well the premier of a province is on the same footing. And he has to leave his glorious socialist system and go to big bad evil America to get the best care.

angryed on February 2, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Just like Ed you choose to avoid the point. The Premier is actually showing you how messed up the system is.

As a Canadian, he will get better treatment than many Americans who will not be able to afford the same treatment.

Think about that for a second.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Well, the point is becoming more and more… Does the Middle Class want some version of the Canadian Healthcare system…

MeatHeadinCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM

I think the middle-class should really think carefully. They may be attracted to a plan that “appears” to pay for small stuff, with little out-of-pocket. That’s the deal for paycheck-to-paycheck life. You don’t want the stress of having to worry that going to the doctor when a child is ill is going to mean that you can’t buy groceries. Ditto for med purchases.

However, if you give up major medical coverage that really matters, that’s a harsh trade-off.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Yet another who just doesn’t GET THE POINT. Canada’s healthcare system (the model democrats are using) doesn’t provide the care this guy wants. Where is he going to go after we “reform” our system on their model?

Mord on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Some people buy Ferraris, but that doesn’t mean there is no room for a Honda or a Ford. Doesn’t mean that if the Premier buys a Ferrari made in Italy that the Toyota plant in Ontario doesn’t serve a purpose.

This guy can afford to skip the line. He chose to go to the US to skip the line.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

He’s not the first politician to go. Belinda Stronach went in ’07..

What can the “average” Canadian do to protect themselves? Buy “Wait-List” Insurance.

Caper29 on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I think the discussion about Canadian healthcare is irrelevant to the US. We’re way bigger. Whatever our own solutions are will not be the same as what works for them.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Bigger just means there will be bigger problems — more people denied access to basic services because of lack of doctors.

I fear that once you’re on the gov. plan there will be no cash payment option. It would be unfair to the others in the waiting room that are on the plan and don’t have the cash.

Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Yep. Canada is one of 3 countries (North Korea and Cuba being the other 2) where it is illegal to pay out of pocket for medical treatment.

suzeecue on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

As a Canadian, he will get better treatment than many Americans who will not be able to afford the same treatment.

Think about that for a second.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM

That’s not “messed up.” I’d expect someone with more money (I’m assuming he has a decent amount of money), would be able to afford better treatment. Perhaps what’s “messed up” is that he’s actually getting any sort of money from the Canadian people.

MeatHeadinCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Ed,

Canada doesn’t really have a single payer system. There’s a lot of things the government doesn’t cover. For example, I’ve never gotten one cent from the government to pay for medication of any kind. Eyeglasses? Dental? Better have private insurance.

But if you’re a slut/douchebag and can’t keep your pants on, no worries, I’m pretty sure it covers birth control.

Darth Executor on February 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM

You need to ask all the cardiac patients in Canada on waiting lists. At least, the ones that are still alive.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Right after you ask all the people that have file for bankrupcy or that couldn’t pay for Medical treatment how they feel.

Seriously, China buys pieces of the US left and right, Canadians get better treatment than many Americans, and no one is bothered. Why not just put a big “Sale!” sign at the front door and move on?

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Is our congress going to pass this monster anyway? Where will the privileged go when we are as bad as Canada?

You would think in the best interests of their own rich selves they would preserve our system!

Bring cost down. That’s all just bring it down. Leave everything else alone.

petunia on February 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Just like Ed you choose to avoid the point. The Premier is actually showing you how messed up the system is.

As a Canadian, he will get better treatment than many Americans who will not be able to afford the same treatment.

Think about that for a second.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM

You really are dense. The charge of hypocrisy stems from the fact that while Danny Williams defends the Canadian system as fabulous, it’s so messed up that he goes elsewhere to get the health care he needs.

He’s premier of the province that a few years ago revealed that incompetent lab technicians had misdiagnosed scores of breast cancer patients who were consequently not given the proper treatment. Many women who might have lived had already died or were dying.

I’m not surprised that he’s going to the US for his own treatment. But it IS hypocritical for him to say that the Canadian system is great when his actions indicate it’s not good enough for him.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

I wonder where the poor people of Canada go for health problems like this guy has? Obamacare is supposed to be for the poor. If we go that route this is exactly what happens here. I’d rather be poor and with out insurance in the US and rely on charity in the US than to get no care with single payer.

Herb on February 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Maybe Ed can then comment on all the Americans that come to Canada to buy medecine.

Medicine is cheaper in Canada because Americans subsidize the costs. That is good for you, bad for us. Only an American who advocated higher costs for Americans, but shopped in Canada would be as hypocritical as Mr. Williams.

This is yet another story which misses the point about the problem with healthcare. The issue has never been if rich people like Rush or connected people can get stellar treatment. The issue is if the health care system serves the need of the population as a whole.

Yes. The little people need care as well. Just not great or timely care. The problem is that instituting a gov’t run system to cover more people reduces the quality of care for those who had great care before the system was implemented. This wouldn’t be so bad if those implementing the system didn’t exclude themselves from it.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

ROCnPhilly on February 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Have a heart, Canada. Come to America to save it.

When Michael Moore suffers his first heart attack, send him to Newfoundland!

Steve Z on February 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Yep. Canada is one of 3 countries (North Korea and Cuba being the other 2) where it is illegal to pay out of pocket for medical treatment.

suzeecue on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Really? Any luck you can give us a source for that claim?

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

All I am asking is that he not slam our system in the future. But you are wrong about the care given to citizens here. If a person came in needing this surgery they would get it regardless. People in the U.S. are not dying on the street from being denied care. As for Americans getting medicine from Canada, I agree with you. I couldn’t do that, I feel like it is an imposition on the citizens who’s tax dollars subsidize the cost of drugs there.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

My question is why? What in the world is the surgery that he would risk this political fall-out?

Interesting story. More to come, for sure.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Right after you ask all the people that have file for bankrupcy or that couldn’t pay for Medical treatment how they feel.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

My guess is they feel alive not dead.

On the otherhand those who don’t have the money to come to the US just feel dead.

petunia on February 2, 2010 at 10:14 AM

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Doesn’t mean that if the Premier buys a Ferrari made in Italy that the Toyota plant in Ontario doesn’t serve a purpose.

And, like Toyota, if after 11 years of trying there’s no solution to one’s internal ‘gas pedal’ sticking, the patient (if still alive) may want to have a look at that Ferrari.

suzeecue on February 2, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Have a heart, Canada. Come to America to save it.

When Michael Moore suffers his first heart attack, send him to Newfoundland!

Steve Z on February 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

When that happens Michael will be on a cruise to Wasilla, Alaska with his “friend” Andy Sullivan… They’ll have to send him to British Columbia or something…

MeatHeadinCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM

As a Canadian, he will get better treatment than many Americans who will not be able to afford the same treatment.

Think about that for a second.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Think about this for a second: the system you socialist twits want to create already exists in Canada, and he is fleeing it to come here. Dense much?

Jaibones on February 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM

It would be unfair to the others in the waiting room that are on the plan and don’t have the cash.

Electrongod on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM

The dirty secret in Canada is that you can get moved up on the “waiting list” by who you know.

Caper29 on February 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Bigger just means there will be bigger problems — more people denied access to basic services because of lack of doctors.

Exactly. Plus, remember, we don’t have tort reform. Picture the lawsuits!

I don’t know why that remark drew fire. But then, I don’t get it here often. You can agree with people and they still shoot out snark.

AnninCA on February 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM

This guy can afford to skip the line. He chose to go to the US to skip the line.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM

In Canada, you have to leave the country to skip the line. That adds a financial and emotional burden for those who don’t want their entire lives to fall apart – lost jobs, declining general health because of reduced mobility and inability to sleep – while they wait months or years for care.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Really? Any luck you can give us a source for that claim?

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

I’ll see if I can find something to link to — I live in Ontario, and am familiar with the provincial system.

suzeecue on February 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Hypocrisy on a world class level. I hope Scott Brown is our savior.

apoole on February 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Scott Brown came along and was good for morale for a while, but he is only one of forty-one Republicans. Please, can we give the others some credit? We’re treating him and MA like the freaking prodigal son! Slaughter the fatted calf for Brown and the idiots in Massachussetts* for finally getting something half-way right. Sheesh! It isn’t like they haven’t cursed us with the likes of Ted Kennedy for 40 years, and we’re still stuck with John Kerry, but all that’s wiped away by the election of some fiscal conservative social libertine? Come on!

He might be better than Coakley and even good for having come from the socialist libertine state of MA, but he is certainly no savior. A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope.
Yes, I’m a pro-abortion libertine, says Scott.
*This does not include the good actual conservatives in MA, of course, but you know you are a small minority.

pannw on February 2, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Right after you ask all the people that have file for bankrupcy or that couldn’t pay for Medical treatment how they feel.

Seriously, China buys pieces of the US left and right, Canadians get better treatment than many Americans, and no one is bothered. Why not just put a big “Sale!” sign at the front door and move on?

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

You want the government to take on debt that would bankrupt a normal person then have the balls to complain about China buying pieces left and right? Where do you think the government would get the money to pay for the bankrupted person’s medical bills?

Darth Executor on February 2, 2010 at 10:18 AM

He may be going to the US for surgery because they can’t do it in Newfoundland not to jump the line. So much is missing from the whole story. Canada has a population less than most states 33 Million. How many heart operation of this type do they need to do to justify the cost and they would not send someone across to Vancouver from St John’s (New York to Los Angles)when the can send him to the US for the same treatment and cost. I would think many small states have the same problem and that not all hospital can do all operation all time, all it take is some money on the table.

It would be like one going to a specialist hospital in NYC when one lives in Washington DC. Not that the hospitals suck in DC, there are just better specialist in NYC than DC same here better specialist in US than Newfoundland and it does not make sence to send him to 3000 miles away to one when one is 200 miles away.

This is not they whole mess that is made out to be. They would and I am sure that if anyone needed this operation would get the option to go the the US for the surgery at their cost for travel, but the operation is paid for, as it is with the premier. Would it make news if any Newfie six pack does the same thing, no.

tjexcite on February 2, 2010 at 10:18 AM

You really are dense. The charge of hypocrisy stems from the fact that while Danny Williams defends the Canadian system as fabulous, it’s so messed up that he goes elsewhere to get the health care he needs.

He’s premier of the province that a few years ago revealed that incompetent lab technicians had misdiagnosed scores of breast cancer patients who were consequently not given the proper treatment. Many women who might have lived had already died or were dying.

I’m not surprised that he’s going to the US for his own treatment. But it IS hypocritical for him to say that the Canadian system is great when his actions indicate it’s not good enough for him.

ProfessorMiao on February 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

So if the governor of Florida says that his state is the best for vacations yet choses to go to Tahiti for his vacation, he is being hypocritical?

A system can be great in the aggregate, yet not be the best for a particular individual. So in his case, because he can afford it, he gets to pick the better system for his situation. You use this one data point to paint the whole system with a nasty brush.

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:18 AM

mycowardice on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Apparently you missed the Globe and Mail story where doctors were speculating that the procedure he needed simply wasn’t available in Canada.

Tommy Douglas was a tinpot eugenicist prick, by the way.

DrSteve on February 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM

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