Lila Rose assaulted by Planned Parenthood escort

posted at 11:45 am on February 1, 2010 by Cassy Fiano

Lila Rose is a well known pro-life advocate. As the president and founder of Live Action, she’s done a lot of really amazing work exposing Planned Parenthood for what they really are: an evil organization looking to profit off of the slaughter of the unborn by any means necessary. They’ll manipulate women into getting abortions. They’ll lie about the science. And time after time, they’ve been proven to look the other way when cases of alleged statutory rape are presented to them. All of this has been exposed to be light thanks to the hard work of Lila Rose. Whether you are for or against abortion is really irrelevant — every parent in America should be against Planned Parenthood for the crimes they commit and the lack of ethics possessed by this organization.

Given all that, it’s really not a surprise what happened about a month and a half ago. While visiting a clinic in San Jose, CA, a male Planned Parenthood escort approached her… and then struck her.

At approximately 11:50am on Thursday, December 17th, 2009, Live Action President Lila Rose was struck by a male uniformed Planned Parenthood escort. The attack occurred on a public sidewalk outside a Planned Parenthood affiliate located at 1691 The Alameda in San Jose, California.

Lila Rose was visiting the abortion clinic with a group of about 20 students and three adults to pray and provide information to women who might be open to abortion alternatives.

According to a police report filed at the scene, supported by several witnesses, the following interaction took place between Miss Rose and the uniformed Planned Parenthood escort:

Rose, from the public sidewalk: “Sir, are you familiar with the abortion procedure?”
Escort approaches Rose rapidly from Planned Parenthood parking lot, says, “You idiot. You’ve caused so much trouble. You piece of crap.”
Rose offers to show Escort a picture: “Can I show you a picture of what it really does to a baby?”
The Escort strikes Miss Rose’s hand, knocking literature and Bible to the ground. Rose steps further back on sidewalk, Escort steps towards Rose.
Escort, visibly shaking, says, “It’s a woman’s choice!”
Rose says, “What about the baby’s choice?”
Escort says, “It’s not a baby!” Escort turns around and walks away.

Police were called and interviewed the victim and several witnesses. Rose sustained no injuries from the attack. Charges of assault and battery are pending. There have been no apologies.

Live Action maintains a strong commitment to non-violent public discourse. We expect Planned Parenthood will respond to their escort’s attack by publicly disavowing the use of violence.

I was asked by Live Action to try to contact Planned Parenthood and get a response from them about this incident. I genuinely wanted to know their side of the story. Have they done their own investigation into this? Is the escort, a Gerard Nordley, still working with Planned Parenthood? Do they have a statement? Will they issue an apology?

I called their public relations department repeatedly for over a month. I left message after message. I never received a single phone call to follow up about this incident, or a single e-mail. This leads me to believe that Lila Rose’s statement is indeed accurate, and that Planned Parenthood is trying to keep this quiet. I understand the role of escorts for abortion clinics, and approaching the abortion protestors is not in the job description. Assaulting them is definitely not. Lila wasn’t hurt, thankfully, but what happens next time? If this man wasn’t even disciplined for his actions, what will keep him from taking it a step further with someone else? And if Planned Parenthood does not discipline this man in any way, or issue an apology to Lila Rose, then you have to assume that they approve of his behavior.

Just one more thing to add to the list of reasons why this organization is truly rotten to the core.

UPDATE: I wanted to issue a note to clear up the confusion surrounding the Gerard – Gerald Nordley website. I contacted Lila to confirm that the man on the website is indeed the man who assaulted her, and she did. Also, the church he says he attends on his website is apparently not far from San Jose, CA. Hope that answers some questions.

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Lorien, where are you?

UltimateBob on February 1, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Well I was gonna chime in with an “I’d hit it” comment; but I didn’t think it was appropriate after I read the story. :P

lorien1973 on February 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM

U.S. officials have said the top NATO commander, U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, plans to issue a new directive on night raids soon. Last year, he curbed the use of airpower to assuage rising public anger over civilian casualties. Commanders still have the option of calling in airstrikes if they come under fire and civilians are not at risk.

An Afghan baby was killed and a woman wounded during one such NATO-Afghan operation targeting militants in central Afghanistan on Saturday, the international force said.

The casualties occurred when the joint force came under fire from several locations as it approached a compound in Uruzgan province, prompting a gunbattle, according to a statement.

“The joint force protected the women and children in the compound, however afterwards one woman with minor wounds and a baby who suffered fatal injuries were found,” it said.
Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:32 PM

You maintaining that the intent of the airstrike was to kill babies?

CDeb on February 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Do any of you naysayers even know the definition of the word assault?

There is no doubt whatsoever that she was assaulted.

Shame on you for being so eager to cover for that racket.

jeff_from_mpls on February 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Shouldn’t they be called Planned NON-Parenthood?

profitsbeard on February 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM

They shouldn’t be calling it womens reproductive health care either.

fourdeucer on February 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM

So no babies have died in NATO airstrikes?

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Psst….don’t look now, but your strawman is on fire.

Johnnyreb on February 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM

You’re right. Still, no prosecutor is going to file criminal charges.

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:34 PM
_________________________

They have no choice if the victim wants to move forward.

Use your brain. Learn something.

uknowmorethanme on February 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM

A person who helps a woman exercise her legal rights in the face of hate from people like you.

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Being called out by the likes of you is an honor.

Yesterday, I saw a video of Arianna Huffington calling out Beck and Co. to Roger Ailes for inciting the American public. The irony is simply staggering.

Do none of you leftist fools realize that your own words and actions against those who protest abortion are steadily increasing the anger and discord in the populace?

Do you not understand that your very behavior is lighting a fire that may well escalate into something none of us ever wanted?

Are you simply too damn stupid to understand what you are doing?

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Planned Parenthood! Its all about da money!!!Cha Ching!!!

Planned Parenthood ‘makin coppies’ killin babies!

sonnyspats1 on February 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Charges are pending, or are you too lazy of an anarchist to read?

uknowmorethanme on February 1, 2010 at 12:33 PM

pending = sitting in a pile of other police reports on a filing deputies desk until s/he writes on it in red pen: reject – deminimus

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Bad form certainly but does that rise to the level of characterization of “assault”?
pabarge on February 1, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Slap a cop’s hand and see what happens.

LincolntheHun on February 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM

You said it better than I could have with far fewer words.

The founding fathers would be appalled to see what this situation has degenerated into.

Stand your ground Lila Rose! You are not alone in this fight!

Chaz706 on February 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM

The joint force protected the women and children in the compound, however afterwards one woman with minor wounds and a baby who suffered fatal injuries were found,” it said.
Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:32 PM

You’re not very good at this, are you?

Bishop on February 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM

You maintaining that the intent of the airstrike was to kill babies?

CDeb on February 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Excellent counter. A hard right to the chin, beautiful.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Is it just all about the money????

Yes it is. You many also want to include the founder’s, Margaret Sanger’s, eugenics philosophy where “undesirables” are aborted to improve society. Justice Ginsberg was a fan.

Haunches on February 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM

They have no choice if the victim wants to move forward.

Use your brain. Learn something.

uknowmorethanme on February 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Obviously, you have no brain to use. In California it is the prosecutor who determines if charges will be filed and what charges will be filed. Rose is merely a complaining witness.

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM

From CA penal code:

240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.

242. A battery is any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another.

241. (a) An assault is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by both the fine and imprisonment.

243. (a) A battery is punishable by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:39 PM

She pushed a picture in front of him and he slapped her hand?

pabarge on February 1, 2010 at 11:50 AM

I must have missed your desription of the incident:

Rose, from the public sidewalk: “Sir, are you familiar with the abortion procedure?”
Escort approaches Rose rapidly from Planned Parenthood parking lot, says, “You idiot. You’ve caused so much trouble. You piece of crap.”
Rose offers to show Escort a picture: “Can I show you a picture of what it really does to a baby?”
The Escort strikes Miss Rose’s hand, knocking literature and Bible to the ground. Rose steps further back on sidewalk, Escort steps towards Rose.

katiejane on February 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I don’t think stretching the facts helps the cause. It’s like the mainstream media skewing events to advance a biased viewpoint. Debates on abortion always seem to appeal to emotions rather than intellect. It’s the radicalization that turns off people on both sides of the issue.

One thing I’ve always admired about Hot Air is its common sense, balanced approach to issues. This particular blog misses the mark.

Christina_M on February 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:26 PM

To quote someone you might understand
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere” MLK
So you gonna refute MLK during Black History Month?

LincolntheHun on February 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM

In California it is the prosecutor who determines if charges will be filed and what charges will be filed. Rose is merely a complaining witness.

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:38 PM

You are correct. I was slapped (hard, I might add) by a drunk woman in a bar in San Diego. I walked away, and she followed me and jumped on my back. She was arrested and I wanted the charges dropped but the prosecutor wanted to pursue the case.
Charges were eventually dropped, and I was labeled uncooperative.

OmahaConservative on February 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM

A person who helps a woman exercise her legal rights in the face of hate from people like you.

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Sad.

You were a lot funnier last night when you whined about Cassy’s blogging skills.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I’ll believe you when I see you protesting the deaths of actual babies killed in NATO airstrikes in Afghanistan.
Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:24 PM

How do you build such lovely strawmen without thumbs?

Irritable Pundit on February 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Dem check list

Presidency – check
Senate – check
Congerss – check

Con check list

Supreme Court – Check

Overturned McCain/Feingold – check
Overturned Roe v Wade – comin
Overturned Brown v Board of Ed – lookin at it
Stopped forced bussing – looking at it!!!!

sonnyspats1 on February 1, 2010 at 12:46 PM

I’ll believe you when I see you protesting the deaths of actual babies killed in NATO airstrikes in Afghanistan.

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:24 PM

How many babies were killed by bombing during Bill Clinton’s War of Choice in Kosovo?

Checkmate.

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Wow, you found one baby killed. Let us know when you find a few million more, and then we’ll stop laughing at you.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM

So this @$$hole Gerard Nordleytill is obviously a big fan of Michael Meehan. We need to remember these idiots and engage them whenever possible.

ronnyraygun on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Being called out by the likes of you is an honor.

Yesterday, I saw a video of Arianna Huffington calling out Beck and Co. to Roger Ailes for inciting the American public. The irony is simply staggering.

Do none of you leftist fools realize that your own words and actions against those who protest abortion are steadily increasing the anger and discord in the populace?

Do you not understand that your very behavior is lighting a fire that may well escalate into something none of us ever wanted?

Are you simply too damn stupid to understand what you are doing?

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM

–I remember the 80s when Operation Rescue was blocking abortion clinics. I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers. (Understanding others have been injured, not killed, on both sides).

This was someone (apparently) who tried to knock a Bible and papers from her Rand and hit her hand in the process without injury to her.

If you’re looking for an excuse to say that a fire has been lit so you can assault and hit people on the pro-choice side, this is not it.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

lefty pukes are a bunch of lazy mofo’s!!
They never heard of the work ethic!!!!!
They equate manual labor with slavery!!!

I bet it all started when as a child their parents ask them to clean their bedroom. ha ha ha They prolly started quoting
a maxist rant about slavery!!!
ha ha ha ha

sonnyspats1 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Sadly, the quality of trolls is getting worse all the time.
Now we are only getting the bargain-basement variety.

OmahaConservative on February 1, 2010 at 12:52 PM

I’d like to see Law and Order have an episode on this kind of behaviour.

Johnny 100 Pesos on February 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Please, no. The L&O version of a pro-life activist has been done so many times, and they’re yet to get it right.

RachDubya on February 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM

That would require a murder so the show’s writers could “rip it from the headlines”.

BillH on February 1, 2010 at 12:52 PM

To quote someone you might understand
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere” MLK
So you gonna refute MLK during Black History Month?

LincolntheHun on February 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM

No, I’m going to refute you. If you think having one’s hand slapped or the literature slapped out of one’s hand is akin to slavery and the Jim Crow laws, you have a screw loose. Again, no prosecutor is going to file criminal charges on this crap.

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:52 PM

My question is, what the hell is a Planned Parenthood escort?

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM

They wouldn’t be necessary if not for people like you.

crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM

And remember @$$wipe. In your world of useful idiots, there’s no such thing as a late abortion. There’s still time for you… and those like you.

ronnyraygun on February 1, 2010 at 12:54 PM

No, I’m going to refute you. If you think having one’s hand slapped or the literature slapped out of one’s hand is akin to slavery and the Jim Crow laws, you have a screw loose. Again, no prosecutor is going to file criminal charges on this crap.

Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Agreed.

crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM

If you’re looking for an excuse to say that a fire has been lit so you can assault and hit people on the pro-choice side, this is not it.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

I agree with him. People are getting more and more frustrated with a lot going down now. Who is to say what the spark might be? To look at his comment without acknowledging the environment and then passing it off as an excuse to assault someone is quite provocative.

genso on February 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM

She pushed a picture in front of him and he slapped her hand?

Bad form certainly but does that rise to the level of characterization of “assault”?

pabarge on February 1, 2010 at 11:50 AM

So this would be OK behavior by Tea Party Protesters at voting stations? Just bad form.

barnone on February 1, 2010 at 12:57 PM

–I remember the 80s when Operation Rescue was blocking abortion clinics. I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers. (Understanding others have been injured, not killed, on both sides).

This was someone (apparently) who tried to knock a Bible and papers from her Rand and hit her hand in the process without injury to her.

If you’re looking for an excuse to say that a fire has been lit so you can assault and hit people on the pro-choice side, this is not it.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

I speak in the larger sense that the United States is fast becoming just the States, and I refer not to merely this case, but to the entirety of the philosophies of the Right and Left.

I don’t need an excuse to slug a man who takes a shot of any kind at a woman, nor will I plead one. The deed speaks for itself.

What I am speaking of is the long-running demonization of the protests at liberal policies that have mounted up over the decades, and how it is not only that both sides are at odds with one another, but hate one another. One need look no further than democraticunderground or the HuffPo to see some prime examples.

A house divided against itself cannot stand, and America is truly divided. With every day, our differences are magnified and our resentment of the other side exacerbated. Again, Mz. Huffington concurred with my opinion, albeit from her side of the aisle.

At what point do the people grow tired of being labeled murderous, women-hating, trigger-happy, mentally-retarded hicks, and push back? Then the firestorm of liberal outrage erupts at the unthinkable incivility of it all, and the entire point of what I’m saying here is lost.

Think about it.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:58 PM

I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers. (Understanding others have been injured, not killed, on both sides).

Would you like to re-write that so it makes sense? From what I can tell you are saying that more abortion doctors have been killed than pro-lifers killed by pro-lifers? Why would pro-lifers kill pro-lifers? How about pro-choicers killing those with no voice? That would be 42 million per year.

Haunches on February 1, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Escort approaches Rose rapidly from Planned Parenthood parking lot, says, “You idiot. You’ve caused so much trouble. You piece of crap.”

One thing that interests me here is the hatred and comments like “you’ve caused so much trouble.” This is an interesting attitude since the liberal mantra is that the right to kill for the convenience of the female is a settled issue. It supposedly is only right wing nutjobs that would object to the “procedures” they perform at Planned Parenthood clinics.

The fact of the matter is that they know they are killing off life and they do not care, particululary when they can turn a profit doing it. PP doesn’t offer options, it is an abortion factory which might, just might, have a few pamphlets sitting around discussions options other than killing.

I would hope that this is resolved by a two-pronged attack, criminal charges filed against PP and Gerard Nordley followed by civil suits agains both as well.

highhopes on February 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM

They wouldn’t be necessary if not for people like you.

crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM

So you defend this assault? Great … just wanted your double-standard on record. ;)

HondaV65 on February 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM

This was someone (apparently) who tried to knock a Bible and papers from her Rand and hit her hand in the process without injury to her.

If you’re looking for an excuse to say that a fire has been lit so you can assault and hit people on the pro-choice side, this is not it.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Yes, most men who have been asked to help a woman are going to try to clear the way for her if she is being harangued. It sounds like Lila Rose initiated the confrontation and the response by the man was mild at most.

dedalus on February 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM

My question is, what the hell is a Planned Parenthood escort?
KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM
They wouldn’t be necessary if not for people like you.
crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM

is kinleyardal going around knocking up women and then forcing them to have abortions? Where does all the rage come from? You wake up at noon just pissed off every day?

daesleeper on February 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM

If you’re looking for an excuse to say that a fire has been lit so you can assault and hit people on the pro-choice side, this is not it.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM
I agree with him. People are getting more and more frustrated with a lot going down now. Who is to say what the spark might be? To look at his comment without acknowledging the environment and then passing it off as an excuse to assault someone is quite provocative.

genso on February 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM

So then what did he mean? The only behavior he’s complaining about that is “lighting the fire” is what happened in San Jose.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM

They wouldn’t be necessary if not for people like you.

crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM

I find this damned funny.

I’m the reason? How’s that? Because I’m a gun-toting mysogynistic hick? Interesting supposition, as we post in a thread of outrage over a woman being assaulted. Keep trying, though, you’re getting there.

I’m 23… I’ve never hit a person in my life, male or female. I don’t hunt, I feel bad eating meat because I feel bad for the cow/fish/what have you. I have issues making business calls sometimes because I feel bad telling people they are out of line and need to back off/reread the contract.

You’re a flaming fool, sir, and you are an example of everything I am speaking of.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM

While the incident in question might not rise to the level of assault or battery, it seems to fit under the crime of harassment. That is often defined as a person, in public, willfully causing alarm to another, or interfering with another’s conduct of a lawful activity, or taking action meant to annoy. Usually, terroristic threats are illegal under such statutes but such isn’t applicable in this case.

Conviction results in a fine, or imprisonment, or both. If I recall from other states, punishment is about half as severe as in a case of assault.

Liam on February 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM

If you think having one’s hand slapped or the literature slapped out of one’s hand is akin to slavery and the Jim Crow laws, you have a screw loose.

Very true. Where exactly do you draw the line on free speech? Just curious.

Haunches on February 1, 2010 at 1:02 PM

What I am speaking of is the long-running demonization of the protests at liberal policies that have mounted up over the decades, and how it is not only that both sides are at odds with one another, but hate one another. One need look no further than democraticunderground or the HuffPo to see some prime examples.

A house divided against itself cannot stand, and America is truly divided. With every day, our differences are magnified and our resentment of the other side exacerbated. Again, Mz. Huffington concurred with my opinion, albeit from her side of the aisle.

At what point do the people grow tired of being labeled murderous, women-hating, trigger-happy, mentally-retarded hicks, and push back? Then the firestorm of liberal outrage erupts at the unthinkable incivility of it all, and the entire point of what I’m saying here is lost.

Think about it.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:58 PM

–It’s not just the left that does it to the right. It’s the right that does it to the left/center as well. How many times have pro-choicers or moderates been called “baby-killing”, “Satanic”, “evil”, “idiots”, “vermin”, “scums”, etc.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Get them in the pocket book. I think a multi-million suit against the escort and his employer would shake things up and get some MSM attention..not much but some.

jukin on February 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM

I’m a little concerned that this post might prompt harrassment of an innocent man. According to the text, the assailant was GeraRd Nordley; but the link is to a GeraLd Nordley, whose website includes no rabidly pro-abortion rhetoric or links. Are we certain this is the same individual?

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM

I would hope that this is resolved by a two-pronged attack, criminal charges filed against PP and Gerard Nordley followed by civil suits agains both as well.

highhopes on February 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM

–It will be tough to have a civil suit. There are no damages. Most prosecutors won’t bother with something this minor. Even if they do, it will likely be negotiated down to some community service and anger management classes.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Red herring.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:07 PM

So then what did he mean? The only behavior he’s complaining about that is “lighting the fire” is what happened in San Jose.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM

I think he is just expressing his frustration and then making a attempt at one logical outcome. Pick your poison. Whether it is abortion, economic struggles, states rights, or assaults on the Constitution, there is a ton of pressure building out there. And that is just on the conservative side. There’s just as much anger and frustration on the progressive side. I personally don’t think anyone in government has the capacity to diffuse the coming release of that pressure. And, I’m not sure there aren’t some that would welcome it.

genso on February 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM

–It’s not just the left that does it to the right. It’s the right that does it to the left/center as well. How many times have pro-choicers or moderates been called “baby-killing”, “Satanic”, “evil”, “idiots”, “vermin”, “scums”, etc.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM

The honest reply is that the Right believes it to be murder.

What the flying hell do you want them to say?

If a man believes you are killing a baby, what’s he supposed to say? “Erm, I, uh, I think we need to talk about this…. I, uh, I feel… disconcerted about the idea that we, uh, well please don’t hate me but I think you’re hurting living human children ; ;”

What compromise/moderation can you propose to that mindset?

The fact is, no matter how you may squirm, is that as I said before, the Left steadily complains about the violent tendencies of the Right, while the Right watches as the Left makes good on the termination of, regardless how you feel about what it is in the womb, would have been 49,560,000 human lives since Roe vs. Wade.

The hands of the Left are awash in blood. We want the law changed to stop the bloodshed. The Left fights hard to keep the blood flowing. What is to be said, then? Can you find it in yourself to acknowledge the nature this debate is framed in?

Until you can do that, you will continually miss the point of what I am saying.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM

My question is, what the hell is a Planned Parenthood escort?

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM

They wouldn’t be necessary if not for people like you.

crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM

A Boston PP escort speaks:

I’m not there to confront protesters or prevent them from speaking their minds or engaging the clients. As an escort, I can accompany the client only when asked.

-snip-

Though many women who come to Planned Parenthood neither have nor want such assistance, I and my fellow escorts present an option for those who feel threatened.

Sounds to me like this escort is a bad apple. Your side should get rid of him.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I’m a little concerned that this post might prompt harrassment of an innocent man. According to the text, the assailant was GeraRd Nordley; but the link is to a GeraLd Nordley, whose website includes no rabidly pro-abortion rhetoric or links. Are we certain this is the same individual?

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM

–I don’t see any names in the text. I’ve apparently missed them. But this happened a month and a half ago. Why is this getting attention now?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:10 PM

GOD DAMNED EUGENICISTS!

BobAnthony on February 1, 2010 at 1:12 PM

No, I’m going to refute you. If you think having one’s hand slapped or the literature slapped out of one’s hand is akin to slavery and the Jim Crow laws, you have a screw loose. Again, no prosecutor is going to file criminal charges on this crap.
Blake on February 1, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Agreed.
crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Ha I got a twofer!
You guys remember that when Pres. Obama changes the chorus to “four legs good, two legs better” to bleat appropriately.

LincolntheHun on February 1, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I was slapped (hard, I might add) by a drunk woman in a bar in San Diego. I walked away, and she followed me and jumped on my back.

OmahaConservative on February 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM

So Grow Fins is a female in San Diego, huh?

leftnomore on February 1, 2010 at 1:15 PM

The honest reply is that the Right believes it to be murder.

What the flying hell do you want them to say?

If a man believes you are killing a baby, what’s he supposed to say? “Erm, I, uh, I think we need to talk about this…. I, uh, I feel… disconcerted about the idea that we, uh, well please don’t hate me but I think you’re hurting living human children ; ;”

What compromise/moderation can you propose to that mindset?

The fact is, no matter how you may squirm, is that as I said before, the Left steadily complains about the violent tendencies of the Right, while the Right watches as the Left makes good on the termination of, regardless how you feel about what it is in the womb, would have been 49,560,000 human lives since Roe vs. Wade.

The hands of the Left are awash in blood. We want the law changed to stop the bloodshed. The Left fights hard to keep the blood flowing. What is to be said, then? Can you find it in yourself to acknowledge the nature this debate is framed in?

Until you can do that, you will continually miss the point of what I am saying.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil and unless the law is changed as you demand, you’ll be happy to have a spark so you’ll have an excuse to “do something” to us? I’m not an abortion doctor, but what you wrote sounds like people who are pro-choice who speak out need to be worried that you and people like you might assault them.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Jimbo3, are you sure you want to suggest we do a body-count? Because on that score, your side is ahead by many, many millions.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

I don’t think the point is to lock the guy up and throw away the key – but he HAS violated the law … He’s committed a SIMPLE BATTERY here, which can be charged as a misdomenor or a felony by determination of a judge in California. Now – I would say it’s fine to charge this guy with a misdomenor as long as he has no other history of violence.

He didn’t injure her.

Now … Having said that …

Planned Parenthood needs to make a statement denouncing this guy’s actions and acknowledging that this is inappropriate conduct that they do not condone.

They also need to “fire” this guy – he clearly doesn’t have the demenor to do this kind of thing.

The Lefties on this blog show a double-standard in not condemning this conduct. On the one hand – they want THEIR political activists “protected” from these kinds of assaults whenever they are engaged in provokative behavior. Groups that come to mind? Code Pink, Animal Activists, the Anti-Fur groups, Prop-8 proponents who harass anti-Prop-8 proponents, ACT-UP, and the list just goes on …

I don’t know of any liberal who doesn’t watch “Whale Wars” and cheer the “Sea Shepards” on – even though those guys routinely violate the international nautical rules of the road and jeopardize lives with their activities.

A definite double standard here. The guy shouldn’t be executed … But he should be charged with a misdomenor and removed from his excort duties. And PP should disassociate his actions from their policies.

What’s so hard here?

HondaV65 on February 1, 2010 at 1:17 PM

The fact is, no matter how you may squirm, is that as I said before, the Left steadily complains about the violent tendencies of the Right, while the Right watches as the Left makes good on the termination of, regardless how you feel about what it is in the womb, would have been 49,560,000 human lives since Roe vs. Wade.

Until you can do that, you will continually miss the point of what I am saying.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM

You should berate and verbally abuse the legislators who fail to enact tougher anti-abortion laws. Leave the individual women out of it. Protesting this way is similar to insulting servicemen because you hate the war they are fighting.

Competing with Planned Parenthood is a good idea. Set up facilities that offer scholarships and support for women who choose adoption over abortion.

dedalus on February 1, 2010 at 1:17 PM

I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Jimbo3, are you sure you want to suggest we do a body-count? Because on that score, your side is ahead by many, many millions.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

–Of course, we don’t consider those to be included in the count.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:18 PM

I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Abortion doctors have killed tens of millions of babies – so you’d lose that bet. I’m assuming that all those babies are “Pro-Life” – as most humans are.

HondaV65 on February 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM

I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM
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That’s only true if you assume that unborn babies are not on the pro-life side.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

You’ve got it! Well, I suppose not necessarily evil; you could just be narcissistic and somewhat delusional. But mostly, if you’ve considered the nuts & bolts of what abortion is, and decide you’re okay with it, then yeah. Evil. That’s not to say I propose lawlessness to deal with you — I don’t. What I advocate is changing the law to hold such evil accountable.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM

–Of course, we don’t consider those to be included in the count.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:18 PM
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How convenient.

“We” do. So I guess your argument is flawed.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM

According to a police report filed at the scene, supported by several witnesses, the following interaction took place between Miss Rose and the uniformed Planned Parenthood escort:

The SJPD website has Crime Reports Map that logs incidents police have responded to. For Dec. 17, there’s one incident for assault listed on the 1600 block of The Alameda, at 12:08. The final disposition type is ‘N’, for “no report required, dispatch record only.” A quick look over some of the other possible final dispositions makes me skeptical that liveaction’s description is based on a police report.

Probably I’m just misunderstanding some subtlety of how SJPD reports crimes on their website. Still, if liveaction has seen the police report, they should make that available.

RightOFLeft on February 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM

If you’re looking for an excuse to say that a fire has been lit so you can assault and hit people on the pro-choice side, this is not it.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

If it is legally wrong for pro-life groups to take certain actions outside the killing factories of Planned Parenthood, then surely it should be wrong for agents of the killing factories to attack those legally dissenting. Are you saying a double standard exists where those against killing of unborn life have a lower level of protection than the monsters who are part of the culture of death?
Are you saying it is acceptable for a human being to strike another over a difference of opinion?

The fact of the matter is that PP is in the wrong here. It is not the spark that justifies pro-life attacks on the pro-murder crowd because there are far more heinous examples of PP’s evil that should have caused outrage and wrath. The simple fact is that outside a few bad seeds the pro-life crowd is far more committed to peaceful dissent than the thugs of your side.

highhopes on February 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Planned Parenthood needs to make a statement denouncing this guy’s actions and acknowledging that this is inappropriate conduct that they do not condone.

They also need to “fire” this guy – he clearly doesn’t have the demenor to do this kind of thing.

The Lefties on this blog show a double-standard in not condemning this conduct. On the one hand – they want THEIR political activists “protected” from these kinds of assaults whenever they are engaged in provokative behavior. Groups that come to mind? Code Pink, Animal Activists, the Anti-Fur groups, Prop-8 proponents who harass anti-Prop-8 proponents, ACT-UP, and the list just goes on …

I don’t know of any liberal who doesn’t watch “Whale Wars” and cheer the “Sea Shepards” on – even though those guys routinely violate the international nautical rules of the road and jeopardize lives with their activities.

A definite double standard here. The guy shouldn’t be executed … But he should be charged with a misdomenor and removed from his excort duties. And PP should disassociate his actions from their policies.

What’s so hard here?

HondaV65 on February 1, 2010 at 1:17 PM

–How do you know that they’re not conducting an internal investigation or have already punished him in some way? Most companies don’t talk about internal investigations until they’ve been completed and action taken. And how do you know that they didn’t try to apologize? (It was clearly inappropriate, so they should have apologized).

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil and unless the law is changed as you demand, you’ll be happy to have a spark so you’ll have an excuse to “do something” to us? I’m not an abortion doctor, but what you wrote sounds like people who are pro-choice who speak out need to be worried that you and people like you might assault them.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Evil? No, I might be a hopeless optimist but I don’t think that many people can be that evil. You are simply ignorant and blind (perhaps by choice).

Even if you disagree, at least acknowledge that the pro-life side thinks abortion is equivalent to the murder of a new born. Given that I think we’re damn saints in that we haven’t (and won’t) resorted to violence or other extreme measures en masse.

Kronos on February 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil and unless the law is changed as you demand, you’ll be happy to have a spark so you’ll have an excuse to “do something” to us? I’m not an abortion doctor, but what you wrote sounds like people who are pro-choice who speak out need to be worried that you and people like you might assault them.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

1. Define pro-choice
2. Those who ‘support’ abortion haven’t been attacked, to my knowledge. Only those who actually kill babies have been.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM
You’ve got it! Well, I suppose not necessarily evil; you could just be narcissistic and somewhat delusional. But mostly, if you’ve considered the nuts & bolts of what abortion is, and decide you’re okay with it, then yeah. Evil. That’s not to say I propose lawlessness to deal with you — I don’t. What I advocate is changing the law to hold such evil accountable.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM

–And I am okay with early term abortion and late term abortion in cases where there is a significant danger to physical health or life or a significant defect in the kid. So call me evil. So, next question, how would you propose to change the law to hold my “evil” “accountable”?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM

–How do you know that they’re not conducting an internal investigation or have already punished him in some way? Most companies don’t talk about internal investigations until they’ve been completed and action taken. And how do you know that they didn’t try to apologize? (It was clearly inappropriate, so they should have apologized).

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Uhm … How could they do a proper investigation without talking to the woman who claims to have been assaulted? You would conclude, as do I, that no investigation is complete or even serious without her testimony in some form – don’t you?

HondaV65 on February 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM

An Afghan baby was killed and a woman wounded during one such NATO-Afghan operation targeting militants in central Afghanistan on Saturday, the international force said.

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:32 PM

In the war in Afganistan they target militants, At Planned Parenthood they TARGET women, babies and children. My question to you is: Using anyone of these TARGETS and can you explain the difference between battery and assault?

sweet pea on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil and unless the law is changed as you demand, you’ll be happy to have a spark so you’ll have an excuse to “do something” to us? I’m not an abortion doctor, but what you wrote sounds like people who are pro-choice who speak out need to be worried that you and people like you might assault them.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Yes, but we’re not pushing to kill you. We want the law changed, and that’s all.

I won’t pretend that there is any middle ground on this topic, but I am not laying false claim to the violence of the Left. I am calling it as it is, on a grand scale.

George Tiller does not equate to fifty million dead. The left is the supposed biggest proponent of “the needs of the many”, so, some consistency, please.

You should berate and verbally abuse the legislators who fail to enact tougher anti-abortion laws. Leave the individual women out of it. Protesting this way is similar to insulting servicemen because you hate the war they are fighting.

Competing with Planned Parenthood is a good idea. Set up facilities that offer scholarships and support for women who choose adoption over abortion.

dedalus on February 1, 2010 at 1:17 PM

I do not berate or stalk women. Protesting at the facility seems legitimate to me, and I would never compare it to the dishonor shown to our soldiers by those protestors.

Additionally, I believe this was covered in the Tim Tebow thread a few days ago.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

I also believe there have been more doctors performing abortions who have been killed than there have been people on the pro-life side killed by pro-lifers.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Jimbo3, are you sure you want to suggest we do a body-count? Because on that score, your side is ahead by many, many millions.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

–Of course, we don’t consider those to be included in the count.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:18 PM

I would say “of course” we DO count them. Why wouldn’t I? What kind of monster can just point to some human lives — innocent ones at that — and say “they don’t count. Kill one, kill a million, kill tens of millions. Whatever. I wonder what’s for lunch?”

The great mass of people who have never given the question any serious thought and mindlessly mouth the “pro-choice” slogans make me sad. People like you, who are obviously intelligent and have thought about abortion, and still support it, make me sick.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Even if you disagree, at least acknowledge that the pro-life side thinks abortion is equivalent to the murder of a new born. Given that I think we’re damn saints in that we haven’t (and won’t) resorted to violence or other extreme measures en masse.

Kronos on February 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM

–I acknowledge your belief that abortion is equivalent to the murder of a newborn. I don’t think your side are “saints”, though.

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

How do you know that they’re not conducting an internal investigation or have already punished him in some way? Most companies don’t talk about internal investigations until they’ve been completed and action taken. And how do you know that they didn’t try to apologize? (It was clearly inappropriate, so they should have apologized).

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM
Uhm … How could they do a proper investigation without talking to the woman who claims to have been assaulted? You would conclude, as do I, that no investigation is complete or even serious without her testimony in some form – don’t you?

HondaV65 on February 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM

–You have a police report with her statements, right?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:27 PM

The great mass of people who have never given the question any serious thought and mindlessly mouth the “pro-choice” slogans make me sad. People like you, who are obviously intelligent and have thought about abortion, and still support it, make me sick.

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

–I have thought about it and have made my decision to support it. So, what are you going to do about people like me who make you sick?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM

–And I am okay with early term abortion and late term abortion in cases where there is a significant danger to physical health or life or a significant defect in the kid. So call me evil. So, next question, how would you propose to change the law to hold my “evil” “accountable”?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM

I want the politicians, and the killers themselves prosecuted. That is what I want. I do not ask, nor would I, for the women to be prosecuted.

You are in no position of power, other than espousing the view, however erroneous – ergo, you are irrelevant, and the Lord God will be your Judge.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Sorry folks, here being hit on the hand is NOTHING compared to the Baby who has it’s limbs ripped off while the baby is alive.

Poor pro-choice people will ONE day stand before God and give a reason why they chose to kill the most innocent amongst us…and BTW: There won’t be a SCOTUS or ACUL lawyer to represent them.

will sass u on February 1, 2010 at 1:30 PM

I’ll believe you when I see you protesting the deaths of actual babies killed in NATO airstrikes in Afghanistan.

Grow Fins on February 1, 2010 at 12:24 PM

I’ll believe you when I see you protesting the deaths of these innocent American children:
David Brandhorst

Christine Hanson

Juliana Valentine McCourt

Bernard Brown

Asia Cottom

Rodney Dickens

Zoe Falkenberg

Dana Falkenberg

canditaylor68 on February 1, 2010 at 1:30 PM

These PP ABORTUARIES are every bit as evil as the Auschwitz ovens were. They both exist(ed) to slaughter innocents.

OmahaConservative on February 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM

And I am okay with early term abortion and late term abortion in cases where there is a significant danger to physical health or life or a significant defect in the kid. So call me evil. So, next question, how would you propose to change the law to hold my “evil” “accountable”?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM
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Significant defect? Who gets to decide that, Mister Eugenics?

You’re a piece of human debris. You’re cold and calloused. And yes, that’s evil.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Here’s the problem with that mindset.

I believe in the death penalty. I think if you plan and premeditate a murder, you should die for it.

I don’t know if you believe the same, but lets say murder in the first deserves, at the least, life imprisonment. I think almost everyone would agree to that.

Hell, lets be generous and knock it down to 20 with parole for good behavior.

So, do you think these teenage girls should get 20 years, or life in imprison, or the death penalty? Or is this some special case of murder that shouldn’t be punished?

apollyonbob on February 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Competing with Planned Parenthood is a good idea. Set up facilities that offer scholarships and support for women who choose adoption over abortion.

There are thousands. The Catholic Church has pre counseling, post counseling, places to get baby supplies and money, places to live while pregnant, and adoption services. They walk the walk. They have signs up on almost every church that beg women to come in, talk, get help.
I’m not quite sure why scholarships should be offered though. A reward?

Haunches on February 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM

You’re not very good at this, are you?

Bishop on February 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Why break form?

MarkTheGreat on February 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Essentially, there is very little chance of convincing one who believes abortion to not be murder that it is, and there is even less chance of convincing someone who knows that it is indeed murder, that it is not. Essentially, neither side with any conviction can be convinced otherwise.

All that remains to be done is to convince those who are undecided. Welcome to democracy, and the American way. We will fight by protest and by support of those who would fight this evil at the government level, and supporting and cheering those who fight it at the level of interpersonal discourse, debate, and persuasion.

That is who we are.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM

2. Those who ’support’ abortion haven’t been attacked, to my knowledge. Only those who actually kill babies have been.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM

–At least one abortion clinic volunteer was killed. Receptionists and security guards have also been killed.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/assets/files/Abortion-Access-to-Abortion-Violence.pdf

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Distinction without a difference. You work there, you are an accomplice.

fossten on February 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM

A start would just be a law prohibiting PP from aborting babies. It’s become an actual industry. A sick, twisted, profitable industry.

Haunches on February 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I want the politicians, and the killers themselves prosecuted. That is what I want. I do not ask, nor would I, for the women to be prosecuted.

You are in no position of power, other than espousing the view, however erroneous – ergo, you are irrelevant, and the Lord God will be your Judge.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM

–You do know that many states have laws which seem to make it criminal to make statements supporting abortion. Do you think those laws should be enforced if Roe v Wade were overturned?

–And I am comfortable with meeting God. (as I mentioned last week).

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM

So, next question, how would you propose to change the law to hold my “evil” “accountable”?

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM

To be QUITE clear, the accountability is for deeds, not thoughts or words (within the usual limitations on speech: inciting violence, slander, etc). I’m just as adamant about your right to think or say what you want as I am about the lives of the unborn, which is to say completely.

I believe performing an abortion, soliciting one, or seeking one should be a crime — for the person performing it, and for the woman seeking it. I know I differ from others here, but I do think the woman also should do time. If she hired someone to murder her already-born child, we would all be in favor of throwing her into the hoosegow and throwing away the key; why not her not-yet-born child?

RegularJoe on February 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM

They wouldn’t be necessary if not for people like you.

crr6 on February 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Their job is to prevent abortion victims from seeing or hearing anything Planned Parenthood doesn’t want them to know?

MarkTheGreat on February 1, 2010 at 1:38 PM

I do not berate or stalk women. Protesting at the facility seems legitimate to me, and I would never compare it to the dishonor shown to our soldiers by those protestors.

Additionally, I believe this was covered in the Tim Tebow thread a few days ago.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Protesting the facility seems legitimate. Causing emotional difficulty for the women seems less so. It sounds like you do the former. I think the Tebow ad is great and more messages that attempt to change hearts and minds are positive.

Whether PP protesting is analogous to verbally assaulting service men depends on how killing is justified. In either case, it seems more appropriate to criticize the lawmakers rather than individuals who are acting within in the law and who have made an individual moral decision.

dedalus on February 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM

The law doesn’t really work that way. If someone hires a hitman, that person is as guilty of murder as the hitman.

What you’re saying is, they commissioned this murder, but they shouldn’t be punished.

I guess it’s too bad you can’t power cities with cognitive dissonance eh? :P

apollyonbob on February 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM

apollyonbob on February 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Read my previous post.

The villains I want prosecuted, I have already named. In Romans 16, verse 18, it is said that “By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.”

There are many young women out there who take this foolishness, and the pressure of their peers, and the approval of the authorities at its face, and go through with this atrociousness. Some think little of it afterwards – some are never the same. I know two of the latter.

I am only a man, and am not able to divine the hearts and inner thoughts of those who go through with this…. procedure. I am not qualified to judge them, nor is anyone else, in my opinion. It is between them and the Lord.

Those I am qualified to judge are the false prophets, to borrow from an old expression, who “deceive the people by smooth talk and flattery.” The Margaret Sangers of the world, I, and all others gathered here, are qualified to stand as a jury of peers against them, and so, we will reach no further than the powers and responsibilities specifically given to us by God, in meting out justice in daily society.

That is your answer. It’s also ironic, in that somehow I ended up connecting into limited government and restraint in exercise of power and authority, but the two go hand in hand.

KinleyArdal on February 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM

So, to boil it down, all the pro-choice people like me are evil and will always be evil

Jimbo3 on February 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Pretty much. But, this thread has been enlightening. During the height of the Obamacare debate you kept spewing deliberate lies about how abortion funding would work in a way that wouldn’t violate the law. It was all misrepresentations of the truth. There was always something devious about the way you kept coming back to this one issue and now it is clear. This for whatever reason is a hot button where you are unwilling or unable to understand why others do not share your commitment to killing off human beings if the female finds them inconvenient.

At the very minimum, abortion should be based on parental rights. The female may be the vessel but the male had a part in creating that life and should have a say in wheter or not to kill it.

highhopes on February 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Haunches on February 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Lutherans do a pretty good job too.

http://www.christianliferesources.com/

http://www.lutheransforlife.org/

OmahaConservative on February 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM

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