White House meddling in college football now too?

posted at 11:14 am on January 31, 2010 by Cassy Fiano

A wise politician knows when they’re reaching too far. They know when it’s time to draw the line. In Obama’s presidency, that wisdom is completely non-existent. Show him a problem, and he’ll get the government involved. It doesn’t matter how much is on his plate or how annoyed Americans are about the expansion of government already, he just doesn’t know how to say no. The president likes to constantly remind everyone just how much he’s juggling — two wars, a skyrocketing deficit, record high unemployment, health care, cap and trade, amnesty — but he wants to add government regulation of college football to that list. Yep, that’s right. The White House is investigating the BCS system so that Obama can force a playoff system onto college football.

The Obama administration is considering several steps that would review the legality of the controversial Bowl Championship Series, the Justice Department said in a letter Friday to a senator who had asked for an antitrust review.

In the letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch, obtained by The Associated Press, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote that the Justice Department is reviewing Hatch’s request and other materials to determine whether to open an investigation into whether the BCS violates antitrust laws.

… Several lawmakers and many critics want the BCS to switch to a playoff system, rather than the ratings system it uses to determine the teams that play in the championship game.

“The administration shares your belief that the current lack of a college football national championship playoff with respect to the highest division of college football … raises important questions affecting millions of fans, colleges and universities, players and other interested parties,” Weich wrote.

Weich made note of the fact that President Barack Obama, before he was sworn in, had stated his preference for a playoff system. In 2008, Obama said he was going to “to throw my weight around a little bit” to nudge college football toward a playoff system, a point that Hatch stressed when he urged Obama last fall to ask the department to investigate the BCS.

This largely stems from a temper tantrum thrown by Orrin Hatch last year because his team — the University of Utah — didn’t make it to a championship game. And hey, I want a playoff system as much as every other college football fan out there. The BCS system stinks. But what gives the government the right to force it on us? Start interfering with college football and you’re going to start seeing a lot of very angry people. And Americans are fed up already. The government under Democrats has become some kind of monster, trying to slide its tentacles into every facet of our lives. If there’s anything that they think needs to be remedied, the government will be there to take it over. Failing automakers? They’ll bail them out and fire the CEOs for good measure. Some Americans don’t have health care? Well, they’ll nationalize the entire health care system. Economy’s not doing too well and unemployment numbers are rising? They’ll spend massive amounts of money causing the economy to get even worse. And one whiny senator doesn’t like that his team didn’t get to play in a championship game? The government can regulate college football, too.

There comes a point when one needs to simply stop. Many Americans want a playoff system in college football, granted, but they won’t take too kindly to the government deciding how college football is played. Some things the government just needs to leave alone, and this is one of them. Obama has enough to be worrying about as it is, and whether college football champions are determined by a playoff system or the BCS is not exactly a priority. Maybe Obama should be focusing on, I don’t know, our struggling economy? The war in Afghanistan? The fact that a terrorist came very close to murdering hundreds of people on Christmas day? What he’s going to do with the jihadis at Gitmo? He clearly is in over his head already, and now he’s trying to take on college football as well. And I think this is one issue he (and Orrin Hatch) needs to leave alone. As he constantly reminds us, he’s got enough on his plate as it is.

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This guy Obama is a premature oration on everything.

Lincoln Cadillac on January 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM

No. No, no, no, HELL NO. This is none of the federal government’s goddamn business.

fusionaddict on January 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM

A wise politician knows when they’re reaching too far.

Maybe a wise Latina should whisper into those huge ears that he is way out of bounds here.

OmahaConservative on January 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM

I’ll say it again: Is there no one in that White House who can save this man from himself?

Rational Thought on January 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Barry’s plan……

Have playoffs, then move all Bowl games to Chicago, on the same day.

Knucklehead on January 31, 2010 at 11:19 AM

College football is too big to fail!
Or something.

Disturb the Universe on January 31, 2010 at 11:19 AM

OK, so “a senator who . . . asked for an antitrust review,” the WH responded with a letter and that’s overreach? Perhaps, if I may paraphrase you Cassy:

An unwise blogette never knows when she’s reaching too far. She never knows when it’s time to draw the line. In her writing, wisdom is completely non-existent. Show her a problem, and she’ll get Obama involved.

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:19 AM

OT: Delicious! Anybody see FoxNews Chief Roger Ailes hand Arianna Huffington her head on the ABC panel about three of four times? What a meal.

Marcus on January 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM

If you can’t give people jobs, give them more bread and circuses.

RBMN on January 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Is this the administration’s way of saying that they are going to court Utah votes in hopes of having their MA miracle?

myrenovations on January 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM

College football playoff system, yeah that’s what’s really important these days.

thomasaur on January 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Biggest face palm of the week.

Jobs stupid. Make it easier for commerce to happen

JusDreamin on January 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

OT: Delicious! Anybody see FoxNews Chief Roger Ailes hand Arianna Huffington her head on the ABC panel about three of four times? What a meal.

Marcus on January 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM

missed it, got a link?

JusDreamin on January 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

I stubbed my toe yesterday morning. Kicked a chair leg. It didn’t bleed, but it hurt like fury, and throbbed for quite a while, 15-20 minutes. I thought I’d torn my toenail, but it was OK.

Yesterday afternoon, Obama showed up at my front door with a check for me. He said the Republicans had prevented him from passing effective chair leg legislation.

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

In fairness to Teh One and his Interstate Commerce Clause Fetish Freaks, there are too many “conservative” Republicans that are all wee-weed up about getting their hands involved in this one…

MeatHeadinCA on January 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Yay! Government Football

freedomplow on January 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Hey, Ed, I’m a college football fan going back as far as I can remember (We are Penn State) and I don’t see any reason for a playoff. Sooner or later there will always be a scenario where a worthy or near-worthy team gets left out in the cold. 65 teams are part of the NCAA basketball tournament, and every year people spend March Madness talking about “bubble” teams that don’t get to go to the dance. You think it will be any different with college football? You make a playoff of 4 teams, team #5 will complain. Make an 8 team playoff and #9 will complain. And what happens when, say, due to injury or officiating malfeasance a team that is plainly not the best team (like the ACC or Big East champ) ends up knocking out of the playoffs the SEC or Big10 champs who were plainly better over the course of the regular season? Will the two best teams really end up playing for the national championship? The answer is no. The answer will always be no. There is always the distinct possibility that the two best teams will not be playing for the national championship. So why change the system if it will produce the same flawed result?The only answer to that query is “Because that’s what government does.”

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

A wise politician knows when they’re reaching too far.

True statement. However, a DIETY never overreaches. And President Obeyme truly believes he is deity.

oldleprechaun on January 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Another day, another opportunity for buggery from the Obamites. Good times.

SurferDoc on January 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM

missed it, got a link?

JusDreamin on January 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Replays on Fox at 5:00 pm central today.

Knucklehead on January 31, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Well stated Sarge. Heck the best 2 teams don’t always end up in the Super Bowl or the World Series every year. They are placing more importance on this issue than it already lacks.

thomasaur on January 31, 2010 at 11:34 AM

A wise politician knows when they’re reaching too far.

You could’ve written,

Wise politicians know when they’re reaching too far.

Or,

A wise politician knows when he’s reaching too far.

Instead, in your very first sentence you demonstrated political correctness & grammatical incorrectness.

jgapinoy on January 31, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Oh come on Steve. You don’t see the difference between the #2 and #3 team arguing over a berth in the NC game and the #8 and #9 team arguing over a berth in a playoff? Here’s one difference: a lot fewer people will care about #9′s whining than #3′s. With 8 teams, it’s a virtual certainty that the best team in the country, and every team with a shot at beating that team, will be in the playoff.

As for injury or malfeasance, that is not a problem with the playoff system.

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

And what happens when, say, due to injury or officiating malfeasance a team that is plainly not the best team (like the ACC or Big East champ) ends up knocking out of the playoffs the SEC or Big10 champs who were plainly better over the course of the regular season?

It’s sport you chump, not a mathematical formula. This is exactly what makes sport exciting. Upsets. If you want a computer to declare the mathematical “best”, just say so and we can avoid those messy, unpredicatble games.

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Democrat or Republican, Big Gov’t is never any good.

I know you’ve never met a Gov’t program you didn’t ejaculate on, but the NCAA is something the Justice Department does not need to waste it’s resources on when we have massive National security issues.

Orrin Hatch is a douche.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Just to clarify, a playoff system is a no-brainer to me, but I’m not for the gummint making it happen.

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

It’s sport you chump, not a mathematical formula. This is exactly what makes sport exciting. Upsets. If you want a computer to declare the mathematical “best”, just say so and we can avoid those messy, unpredicatble games.

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Then you would have no problem with the NCAA going back to pre-BCS days? Let ESPN, the AP, and USA Today pick the champions? That’s what I’d do if I was the NCAA.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:37 AM

It’s sport you chump, not a mathematical formula. This is exactly what makes sport exciting. Upsets. If you want a computer to declare the mathematical “best”, just say so and we can avoid those messy, unpredicatble games.

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Because Gov’t has all the answers. Right?

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:38 AM

OT: Delicious! Anybody see FoxNews Chief Roger Ailes hand Arianna Huffington her head on the ABC panel about three of four times? What a meal.

Marcus on January 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Had to call a friend to watch it,great start to a Sunday.

heshtesh on January 31, 2010 at 11:38 AM

missed it, got a link?

JusDreamin on January 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Replays on Fox at 5:00 pm central today.

Knucklehead on January 31, 2010 at 11:30 AM

No, it was the ABC News panel. One favorite moment is when Arianna went at Ailes over Glenn Beck’s “nastiness” and Ailes had a list of things he’s been called on Huffington Post from “malignant tumor” to “face like an ape” which made Arianna shut up fast. And his defense of Sarah Palin as a FoxNews correspondent : “A lot of people write books but few write books that sell 2 million copies in 2 weeks” shut up Baba Wawa on why Palin should even be there.

Marcus on January 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM

It’s sport life you chump, not a mathematical formula. This is exactly what makes sport life exciting. Upsets. If you want a computer to declare the mathematical “best”, just say so and we can avoid those messy, unpredicatble games.

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Free your mind statist.

daesleeper on January 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Just to clarify, a playoff system is a no-brainer to me, but I’m not for the gummint making it happen.

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Exactly. Even though it IS in the best interest of NCAA football to have a playoff (imagine even MORE money than the NCAA basketball tournament) it is not within the authority of the government to force the issue.

Except of course Obama thinks he is “El Presidente” of our new Banana Republic of America.

wildcat84 on January 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Instead, in your very first sentence you demonstrated political correctness & grammatical incorrectness.

jgapinoy on January 31, 2010 at 11:35 AM

I fixed it for you, you know, so you look like less of a anti-social douche.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Bolshevik Barack thinks that there are no losers, only winners! Just who will be chosen as the “College Football” Czar?

Tune in next week for the continuing saga of Bolshevik Barack and the Socialist’s of Doom.

joe btfsplk on January 31, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Does this fall under “never let a crisis go to waste?”

katiejane on January 31, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Bolshevik Barack thinks that there are no losers, only winners! Just who will be chosen as the “College Football” Czar?

Tune in next week for the continuing saga of Bolshevik Barack and the Socialist’s of Doom.

joe btfsplk on January 31, 2010 at 11:40 AM

The Bolshevik Man Child from Kenya recognizes no limits to his authority.

wildcat84 on January 31, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Bolshevik Barack thinks that there are no losers, only winners! Just who will be chosen as the “College Football” Czar?

Tune in next week for the continuing saga of Bolshevik Barack and the Socialist’s of Doom.

joe btfsplk on January 31, 2010 at 11:40 AM

My brother owns a sports shop where they can get trophies and stuff.

Maybe he can win a Gov’t contract for all the Participation Trophies they will give away to make all the grown men feel better about winning (the word “losing” has been replaces by “winning” and the word “winning” has been left as is).

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Isn’t the Federal Government now the ONLY giver of college loans? It would seem as though it’s in the school’s best interest to go along with what this administration wants.

Weight of Glory on January 31, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Does this fall under “never let a crisis go to waste?”

katiejane on January 31, 2010 at 11:42 AM

No, unfortunately it falls under the category of “statist totalitarian act Obama can pull off and probably make his poll numbers go up”. I am for a playoff, but not in this way! Unfortunately I doubt a majority will agree with me and will praise the dictator for this.

wildcat84 on January 31, 2010 at 11:44 AM

It’s sport you chump, not a mathematical formula. This is exactly what makes sport exciting. Upsets. If you want a computer to declare the mathematical “best”, just say so and we can avoid those messy, unpredicatble games.

Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM

According to the BCS computers, it is a mathmatical formula. When all we had was the AP and Coachs’ polls, it was still a mathematical formula, albeit a much simpler one.

I’m pointing out that there is a reason the regular season gets played. Any team can get two lucky games in (which is the idea of a “plus-1 playoff”). The regular season is intended to winnow it down to the best two teams, and those guys play each other.

Furthermore, when are these guys supposed to play all these play-off games? During Christmas? During Finals week? They are in school to get an education, or so I’m led to understand.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Isn’t the Federal Government now the ONLY giver of college loans? It would seem as though it’s in the school’s best interest to go along with what this administration wants.

Weight of Glory on January 31, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Scholarships are not Student loans given by the Gov’t. But you are right, now that the Gov’t is in charge of EVERYTHING, maybe we should all bow down and worship at the feet of Chairman Obama.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Scholarships are not Student loans given by the Gov’t. But you are right, now that the Gov’t is in charge of EVERYTHING, maybe we should all bow down and worship at the feet of Chairman Obama.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:46 AM

If they can illegally seize the student loan market, it’s a far lesser step to make the Feds the sole provider of scholarships too…

wildcat84 on January 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM

They are in school to get an education, or so I’m led to understand.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Gregg Easterbrook suggests adding Graduation Rate to the BCS formula.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM

If they can illegally seize the student loan market, it’s a far lesser step to make the Feds the sole provider of scholarships too…

wildcat84 on January 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Um, the scholarship that the student athlete receives is free tuition to the school, coutesy of the School. It’s like a coupon. Because those athletic programs bring huge amounts of money to the schools and confernces.

Is the Gov’t going to start paying the tuition of Student athletes too? And giving away monetary prizes to playoff winners?

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:49 AM

I think it’s time the federal government took over judging on American Idol too. The current system sucks.

Cicero43 on January 31, 2010 at 11:50 AM

I think it’s time the federal government took over judging on American Idol too. The current system sucks.

Cicero43 on January 31, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Not only that, but Obama should demand that one of the major networks carries NHL and Miss USA.

Then, he should mandate that the plastic wrapping never gets stuck to cheap lolipops.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:52 AM

SgtSteve, these are the same old tired, pathetic arguments that have been espoused from Bill Hancock & Ari Fleischer for the past 6 months.

Sooner or later there will always be a scenario where a worthy or near-worthy team gets left out in the cold. 65 teams are part of the NCAA basketball tournament, and every year people spend March Madness talking about “bubble” teams that don’t get to go to the dance. You think it will be any different with college football?

Yes, it will be different w/ CFB. The main reason being that we currently have teams who have perfect regular seasons yet don’t have the right to play for the National Title. Can you provide one example of a team who won all their regular season games yet didn’t get invited into the NCAA MBB tournament? As soon as you can do that, you have a point and your analogy is valid. Until then, your argument is ridiculous and your analogy is worthless.

You make a playoff of 4 teams, team #5 will complain. Make an 8 team playoff and #9 will complain.

Yes, and right now we essentially have a 2-team playoff which leaves teams #3, 4, 5, 6, etc to complain. Do you really not see a difference between the #9 team (who at a minimum has 1 loss and most likely has 2 losses AND possibly did not even win their own conference) complaining about being left out of a playoff vs a team like Boise State or Utah going undefeated AND winning their conference AND winning their bowl game AND beating teams from AQ conferences not getting a shot at playing for a National Title? Of course you can find anyone to complain about any system. The point is that with a playoff the complaints will be much smaller and quieter (a 2 or 3-loss team who most likely didn’t even win their own conference being left out of a playoff) than in the current system (a team that goes undefeated AND beats top 10 teams doesn’t get a chance to play for the title).

And what happens when, say, due to injury or officiating malfeasance a team that is plainly not the best team (like the ACC or Big East champ) ends up knocking out of the playoffs the SEC or Big10 champs who were plainly better over the course of the regular season?

That’s called sports buddy. You deal with it. By the way, Texas starting QB was knocked out of the game in the 1st quarter due to injury. This happened in the current (non-playoff system). Why is it any more likely to happen in a playoff?? And why it would be worse happening in a playoff than in the BCS Title Game like this year?

Will the two best teams really end up playing for the national championship? The answer is no. The answer will always be no.

Do the 2 best teams end up playing for the title now? NO. The 2 highest ranked teams–according to a coaches poll and a bunch of secret, unpublished computer formulas–play. Since when are the 2 highest ranked teams & the 2 best teams the same?

There is always the distinct possibility that the two best teams will not be playing for the national championship.

That already happens. Nebraska (01) and Oklahoma (03) played for the BCS Title after losing their last games of the regular season by 20+ points. Also, they didn’t even win their own conference. Meaning that by definition they couldn’t have been one of the 2 best teams in the nation since they were only the #2 team in their conference AND the #1 team in their conference was not #1 in the nation. Were you complaining then?? No of course you weren’t.

So why change the system if it will produce the same flawed result?The only answer to that query is “Because that’s what government does.”

Because it allows results to be settled on the field, like 99% of the other sports systems in existence. Because if you play a team in a game and lose to them, it is known that the team is better than you. The current system doesn’t answer these questions.

By your logic, political primaries shouldn’t exist (direct competition) and instead each party should select the 2 best candidates based on rankings & polls and then those 2 candidates should be matched up for the right to determine who wins and goes on to hold the office. Thankfully, logic as insane as yours only applies to College Football and not to the other 99% of life (sports, politics, etc).

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 11:52 AM

I’ll say it again: Is there no one in that White House who can save this man from himself?

Rational Thought on January 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Let’s hope not.

Drained Brain on January 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Does Obama know anything about football? This buffoon knows nothing about anything, but thinks he know everything about everything.

volsense on January 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Gregg Easterbrook suggests adding Graduation Rate to the BCS formula.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM

I’m all for it, but I’m a Penn State fan, consistently near the top of the Big Ten and top 10 or so among BCS conference teams. It’s a huge part of why Joe Paterno red-shirts pretty much everyone, so they can ease themselves into balancing college and football.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Maybe it’s time for a ‘part-time’ legislature in Washington. Hatch evidently has way too much time on his hands.

And think of the money we’d save by not having to fly SanFranNan back and forth cross country each weekend!

GarandFan on January 31, 2010 at 11:55 AM

DOOFUS ORIN HATCH……and THE CALIPH working in a bi-partisan spirit of Cooperation.

You think it’s bad having the Dems in power and disappointing? What would it be like to have the principle-less GOP in power again?

Common Sense in Washington D.C.–when pigs fly.

PappyD61 on January 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Gregg Easterbrook suggests adding Graduation Rate to the BCS formula.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM

That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM

As I recall from a documentary from several years ago, another Progressive, Teddy R. himself, threatened to intervene and try to outlaw football if something was not done to make it safer. Several players died in 1905 and rules were added to save football. The Big Zero has precedent.

Pelayo on January 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM

SgtSteve,

Furthermore, when are these guys supposed to play all these play-off games? During Christmas? During Finals week?

In an 8 tm playoff, Round 1 would have taken place, Dec 19/20. Round 2 would have taken place Dec 26-28. Round 3 (in my personal plan) would have taken place Jan 1-8–same dates as current BCS games.

There are actually more teams (4-6) impacted with Final Exams under the current system with bowl games played Dec 19-23 than under a hypothetical 8 tm playoff (3) if played on the schedule list above. I’ve got all the dates, etc on my blog here.
http://playoffsolution.blogspot.com/2010/01/best-quotes-of-bill-hancock.html

By the way, Rutgers played in a bowl game on 12/20. Their Final Exams were 12/16-12/23. Thus, they played in a game in the direct middle of Finals. Were you complaining about that? Did you I see you anywhere complaining that Rutgers student-athletes had their academics interferred with under the current (non-playoff) system???

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Something else the gubenment can ruin. Geez thanks.

CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Furthermore, when are these guys supposed to play all these play-off games? During Christmas? During Finals week? They are in school to get an education, or so I’m led to understand.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Steve. Steve, Steve, Steve. You gotta get some new arguments buddy. These are old and unconvincing. Basketball players manage to play 35 games a season, including during the week, and still graduate at rates comparable to football. Are the football players dumber? I’m pretty sure the offenses are more complex.

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Gregg Easterbrook suggests adding Graduation Rate to the BCS formula.

uknowmorethanme on January 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM

That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM

We’ll have teams of a bunch of basket weavers and community organizers.

CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Besides, isn’t Saint Joe an advocate of a playoff system?

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 12:04 PM

<blockquote>Steve. Steve, Steve, Steve. You gotta get some new arguments buddy. These are old and unconvincing. Basketball players manage to play 35 games a season, including during the week, and still graduate at rates comparable to football. Are the football players dumber? I’m pretty sure the offenses are more complex.

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 12:03 PM

No need to be an arse.

CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Besides, isn’t Saint Joe an advocate of a playoff system?

misterpeasea on January 31, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Wow that is a great argument. /

CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 12:07 PM

I don’t have a problem with a college football playoff (if the logistics of such a big system can be worked out) but I have a big problem with a government mandate.

Can grow fins point to the clause in the constitution allows the feds to regulate college football?

conservnut on January 31, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I love the Utes, but Hatch is a moron and the government should not be meddling with college football.

packsoldier on January 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Money talks quite loudly in college football. Why do you think the Big LEast has a BCS spot??? Why do you think Notre Dame gets a BCS spot with a sufficient record???
Money. Pure and simple.
The traditional powerhouse schools travel well, bringing beaucoup bucks to the bowl sites. That ain’t gonna change, Obama or no Obama.
And most of these BCS title games are like the majority of Super Bowls… uninteresting affairs that are an excuse for a party.
But if you’re gonna mess with anything, turn the NCAA basketball tournament into a totally open tournament, like the Kentucky high school basketball tournament. Everybody’s in and you have to win your way through.
BTW, go Penn State!

either orr on January 31, 2010 at 12:16 PM

… and I don’t want any president deciding who’s No. 1, like Nixon did with Texas over Penn State. That still roils after all these years.

either orr on January 31, 2010 at 12:18 PM

I guess this is part of that new “populist” meme the Rats are trying to roll out?

Screwing this up may be worse politically than anything he’s done before…..economy, security, Olympics, etc……because there are way, way more people invested in this emotionally.

JoeinTX on January 31, 2010 at 12:27 PM

The White House is investigating the BCS system so that Obama can force a playoff system onto college football.

Wrong, the DOJ is investigating the BCS because it might violate the Sherman Act. They wouldn’t be affirmatively imposing a playoff system (or any other system) on college football. Maybe the BCS doesn’t violate the Sherman Act and maybe it does (I believe it does) but it’s a close enough issue that it ought to be investigated.
Investigation Prosecution

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:28 PM

The government under Democrats has become some kind of monster, trying to slide its tentacles into every facet of our lives.

That is what progressives, socialists, communists, fascists want. They believe government should be involved in every facet of our lives.

rbj on January 31, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Can grow fins point to the clause in the constitution allows the feds to regulate college football?

conservnut on January 31, 2010 at 12:14 PM

That would be the commerce clause, which allows Congress to regulate commerce among the several states. Unless you want to argue that Texas v. Alabama playing in California isn’t interstate commerce.

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Yes, JoePa is a fan of the playoff system. He also wanted to see Notre Dame join the Big Ten. So he’s a fan of at least two things that will never happen.

I still maintain that a playoff system isn’t going to do anything that the current regular season doesn’t already do in shaking out who the best teams are. Why not start the season with a poll of the top 128 teams in college football just to determine ranking, and make the whole season a playoff? That’s how tennis does it. It makes for a virtually identical significance of a loss (that is to say, it ends your chance at a championship.)

I mean, if they’re going to make the regular season less meaningful, might as well go all the way.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 12:33 PM

I mean, if they’re going to make the regular season less meaningful, might as well go all the way.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Who says you have to make the regular season less meaningful? Why not have a playoff system giving the winners of all 11 conferences in the NCAA an automatic bid (the way the Final Four does it) with, say, 5 at large bids for a 16 team tourney. Regular season becomes extremely important then.

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:35 PM

And Steve, how important was the regular season to Boise State, who won all their games and still didn’t get a chance to play for the national championship?

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Can you provide one example of a team who won all their regular season games yet didn’t get invited into the NCAA MBB tournament?ruthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 11:52 AM

I beleive that was the University of Utah…Orin Hatch’s complaint. I might be wrong but there was justification for his concerns.
As for the One’s participation, I have only one thing to say…Butt Out.

rich801 on January 31, 2010 at 12:38 PM

How in this world can this man be still so full of himself when he is failing at everything? I know…..he either doesn’t have a clue what we think b/cause his numbnut advisors don’t let him see what is going on or he really is seeing just how fast he can destroy this country by turning us against each other,keeping everything stirred up b/cause LEST WE FORGET,THEY DON’T WANT A CRISIS TO GO TO WASTE,EVEN IF THEY CAUSE IT! Get out of our lives!!!!

ohiobabe on January 31, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I beleive that was the University of Utah…Orin Hatch’s complaint. I might be wrong but there was justification for his concerns.
As for the One’s participation, I have only one thing to say…Butt Out.

rich801 on January 31, 2010 at 12:38 PM

You’re thinking of football, Rich. And maybe you don’t want the DOJ’s participation, but if the BCS violates antitrust law, then it’s actually their obligation to butt in.

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:40 PM

missed it, got a link?

JusDreamin on January 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Replays on Fox at 5:00 pm central today.

Knucklehead on January 31, 2010 at 11:30 AM

No, it was the ABC News panel. One favorite moment is when Arianna went at Ailes over Glenn Beck’s “nastiness” and Ailes had a list of things he’s been called on Huffington Post from “malignant tumor” to “face like an ape” which made Arianna shut up fast. And his defense of Sarah Palin as a FoxNews correspondent : “A lot of people write books but few write books that sell 2 million copies in 2 weeks” shut up Baba Wawa on why Palin should even be there.

Marcus on January 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Full 12 minutes of panel is on ABC.com

chickasaw42 on January 31, 2010 at 12:44 PM

And Steve, how important was the regular season to Boise State, who won all their games and still didn’t get a chance to play for the national championship?

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Prior to playing TCU, and excepting Oregon, who’d they play? They beat a bunch of teams that they were supposed to beat, basically. So it was statisically important in the sense that, yes, they didn’t lose, while still lacking significance since they, by comparison to the competition level of the SEC, Big12 and Big10, beat a bunch of empty uniforms.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Prior to playing TCU, and excepting Oregon, who’d they play? They beat a bunch of teams that they were supposed to beat, basically. So it was statisically important in the sense that, yes, they didn’t lose, while still lacking significance since they, by comparison to the competition level of the SEC, Big12 and Big10, beat a bunch of empty uniforms.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 12:47 PM

So then the regular season didn’t matter for Boise State. But I thought that was the whole virtue of the BCS, wasn’t it, Steve?

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Progressives think there is no problem that more government can’t fix…

d1carter on January 31, 2010 at 12:48 PM

If you move to a playoff system, you will be removing a significant experience for these players, who have been bleeding and busting their arse over the year. If you’re a senior who’s been doing this for 4+years and most likely will not be playing on Sundays (as the vast majority of players do not), the current setup allows you to have a significant positive experience in what will be your final game.

In the current system, there are a variety of activities setup for the two weeks leading up to the game itself, and time is allowed for both game preparation and extracurricular activities. In a playoff arrangement, you simply prepare and play the game. If you lose, you’re done and had no experience to show for it.

One of the head coaches for one of the undefeated teams this last year had experience in the I-AA playoff system, and hands down preferred the current BCS arrangement to the playoff system for the experience provided to the players.

Neo-con Artist on January 31, 2010 at 12:49 PM

SgtSteve,

I still maintain that a playoff system isn’t going to do anything that the current regular season doesn’t already do in shaking out who the best teams are.

What week was Boise State “shaken out” from being one of the 2 best teams during last season?

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 12:49 PM

Yeah, go for it, Obama. It’s still 1964 and you’re still the Beatles, so people aren’t getting sick and tired of being sick and tired of you. Hey, why not also start telling NASCAR and the basketball leagues how to run things? Boxing’s a really nasty sport; better get your Justice Department to crack down on fighters injuring their opponents in the ring. Oh, and that whole deal with Netflix letting you rent three DVDs at a time via the U.S. Postal Service might need the government’s gentle healing hand as well. And while we’re at it, why are fast-food restaurants still in business when there are so many fat people waddling around? And those liquor stores need to go, too.

You still da man, President Jesus, and we’re counting on you to SAVE THE WORLD!

/sarc

Aitch748 on January 31, 2010 at 12:51 PM

One of the head coaches for one of the undefeated teams this last year had experience in the I-AA playoff system, and hands down preferred the current BCS arrangement to the playoff system for the experience provided to the players.

Neo-con Artist on January 31, 2010 at 12:49 PM

That’s irrelevant if the BCS violates the law, which is why the DOJ is investigating.

Proud Rino on January 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM

OT: Delicious! Anybody see FoxNews Chief Roger Ailes hand Arianna Huffington
//
Missed it,let us know where we can see it:)

ohiobabe on January 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Oh Steve…

Prior to playing TCU, and excepting Oregon, who’d they play? They beat a bunch of teams that they were supposed to beat, basically. So it was statisically important in the sense that, yes, they didn’t lose, while still lacking significance since they, by comparison to the competition level of the SEC, Big12 and Big10, beat a bunch of empty uniforms.

Why is Oregon excepted? (did you mean to say exempting?) Why does that win not count?

Who did Texas beat? I’m going to re-post your exact quote except for Texas below.

“Prior to playing Nebraska, and excepting Oklahoma State, who’d they play? They beat a bunch of teams that they were supposed to beat, basically. So it was statisically important in the sense that, yes, they didn’t lose, while still lacking significance since they, by comparison to the competition level of the SEC and Big10, beat a bunch of empty uniforms.

Boise beat 2 top-11 teams. Texas beat 1 top-14 team (2 top-25 teams if you look at the coaches poll, Oklahoma State not ranked in top 25 of AP Poll).

Are you really this stupid? You can’t be this stupid. Please tell me you’re not this stupid.

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 12:55 PM

It’s sport life you chump, not a mathematical formula. This is exactly what makes sport life exciting. Upsets. If you want a computer to declare the mathematical “best”, just say so and we can avoid those messy, unpredicatble games.
Grow Fins on January 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Free your mind statist.
daesleeper on January 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM

nogrofins is now gnawing off the paw that was caught in your trap…

In regards to Obama and the bcs, I’m still laughing( sort of) when obama assured the public about car warranties .

Sonosam on January 31, 2010 at 12:55 PM

What week was Boise State “shaken out” from being one of the 2 best teams during last season?

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 12:49 PM

Simple: They were never one of the top 2 teams last year, because their strength of schedule is in the toilet. Excepting Oregon, they played a whole season’s worth of considerably weaker teams.

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 12:57 PM

And in today’s headlines:

Continuing the ‘Microsoft Government Model’, the president and congress have now decided to ‘destroy or purchase’ the BCS.

Vote these idiots into retirement!

ROCnPhilly on January 31, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Can we prosecute the Federal Government under anti-trust laws? Oh ya, they made it to where you can’t sue the federal government…how convenient.
Why does government prosecute the mob? It doesn’t like the competition.
Throw them out, and take Hatch with you!

Conservative Voice on January 31, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Neo-con artist,

If you move to a playoff system, you will be removing a significant experience for these players, who have been bleeding and busting their arse over the year. If you’re a senior who’s been doing this for 4+years and most likely will not be playing on Sundays (as the vast majority of players do not), the current setup allows you to have a significant positive experience in what will be your final game.

Are you talking about the current bowl system? You do realize that almost every playoff idea (+1, Wetzel plan, etc.) INCLUDES the current bowls and many of them incorporate the 4 BCS bowls as part of the playoff games. I have not yet seen a single playoff proposal which eliminates all bowl games and only has 8-16 teams play in Dec/Jan instead of the current 68, but congrats on trying to throw up that straw man argument.

In the current system, there are a variety of activities setup for the two weeks leading up to the game itself, and time is allowed for both game preparation and extracurricular activities.

So you’re like Bill Hancock. You think it’s more important that a bunch of generally poor kids from the inner city can go jetskiing than we have a system that determines a legitimate national champion on the field. Also, teams arrive AT MOST 1 week before the start of games and for the lesser bowls usually 4-5 days. So your 2 weeks claim is nonsense.

One of the head coaches for one of the undefeated teams this last year had experience in the I-AA playoff system, and hands down preferred the current BCS arrangement to the playoff system for the experience provided to the players.

I presume you are talking about Montana since they were the only undefeated team at the end of the regular season. They made the championship game and lost to Villanova. So they were in the Title Game in a playoff and they would have been in under a BCS system. So what is the complaint exactly??? That they got to play 3 extra games at home? They didn’t lost anyone significant to injury (as far as I can tell). After they won the semi-final game, I didn’t see the coach complaining about a playoff–“That’s as special as it gets in college football,” Montana coach Bobby Hauck said. “A whiteout blizzard on national TV against a great football team.”

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Missed it,let us know where we can see it:)

ohiobabe on January 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Here’s the link where you can watch the entire exchange.

Knucklehead on January 31, 2010 at 1:12 PM

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 12:55 PM

I wasn’t discounting the win against Oregon. I was pointing out that that was their only win of note prior to playing against TCU. I personally would have loved to see TCU and Boise State play against other conference champions this year in bowl games, rather than each other, but it didn’t play out that way.

Texas played Nebraska in a conference championship, which according to the pollsters, adds an additional level of pressure to the contest.

And no, I am not stupid. I said the BCS system was flawed. Before that, the bowl system was flawed (Penn State going undefeated in 1994 and ceding the #1 position to Nebraska is a prime example.) A playoff system will be flawed. Maybe more than the current system, maybe less, but flawed. So why change from one flawed system to another that will reduce the revenues of everyone involved and give people less to talk about in the off season?

Sgt Steve on January 31, 2010 at 1:16 PM

And this entire thread illustrates why I use the term “Sports Fans” as an insult.

LegendHasIt on January 31, 2010 at 1:19 PM

SgtSteve,

Sorry, but I have to say it. You really are this stupid.

Simple: They were never one of the top 2 teams last year, because their strength of schedule is in the toilet. Excepting Oregon, they played a whole season’s worth of considerably weaker teams.

1. Why is Oregon “excepted”? You keep excepting them without any reason why??
2. So your determination of the quality of a team is based solely on its strength of schedule? Therefore, Miami was a better team than Boise State because their SOS (9) was way better than Boise’s (83) and Miami should have been ranked ahead of BSU, agreed?
3. You realize that schedules are a function of 2 things. 1–the quality of your conference and 2–OOC games scheduled 3-7 years in advance. The WAC is bad at the bottom, clearly much worse than the bottom. What is BSU supposed to do that about that? How are they supposed to make San Jose St, NM State, Utah State good?? Why is it fair to punish them because the other teams are bad? So the only real part of the schedule that teams control is the OOC part. Boise played an AQ conf champ; Texas played 4 non-AQ conf schools. So what you’re saying is that teams from AQ conferences are automatically better than ones from non-AQ conferences because their SOS’s will be higher due to the fact that they play in AQ conferences. Nice elitism.

btw, you realize that if we just had a playoff, then there would be no need to argue about whether or not BSU is one of the 2 best teams in CFB. It could actually have been determined on the field—what a novel idea!

truthmattersfa on January 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM

How many jobs will this save/create? I predict 1500.

angryed on January 31, 2010 at 1:24 PM

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