Rasmussen: Obama post-SOTU comeback, or dead cat bounce?
posted at 2:55 pm on January 31, 2010 by Karl
Sunday’s Rasmussen tracking poll has some good news, and some bad news:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 33% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7 (see trends).
This is the first update based entirely upon interviews conducted since the State-of-the-Union Address and it reflects a bounce for the President. The number who Strongly Approve is the highest in more than four months (since September) and the overall Approval Index rating is the best in more than three months (since October).
The bounce comes almost entirely from those in the president’s party. Sixty-four percent (64%) of Democrats now Strongly Approve, up from 50% before the speech. However, the speech appears to have had the opposite impact on unaffiliated voters. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 50% now Strongly Disapprove. That’s up from 42% before the speech. The next few days should give an indication as to whether these changes will fade or if they signify the beginning of a new phase in the political environment.
Pres. Obama also got a temporary bump after his September speech on healthcare reform before a joint session of Congress, but it was no game-changer.
If the next week’s polls continue to show that Obama helped himself with Democrats, but hurt himself with unaffiliated voters, it will be cause for worry at the White House. A recent GQR poll conducted for Democracy Corps and the Center for American Progress showed that Democrats have lost 6% in the generic ballot since 2008 due to people switching from Democrats to Republicans, and only 3% from projected lower Democratic turnout. Indeed, two recent Democracy Corps polls suggest that people who voted in 2008, but who are unlikely to vote in 2010, are much more positive about the direction of the country than people who are likely to vote in 2010. Lefty blogger Chris Bowers theorizes that there may be nothing that Democrats can do to bring these “drop-off” voters to the polls in November. “Exciting the base” Democrats may be pushing on a string.
In sum, the immediate post-SOTU polling may show only a temporary bump in approval for Pres. Obama — and he might be hoping it is temporary.
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I hope he fails.
OmahaConservative on January 31, 2010 at 2:59 PM
I hope he continues to fail.
behiker on January 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM
“let me be clear. failure is my only option.”
- Broke Insane 0bambi.
moonbatkiller on January 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Just dead cat. Period.
Incompetent in Chief, stubborn at that. Good!
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM
You can’t cure stupid.
txag92 on January 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM
That’s the only important information in the poll. The dems are all too far gone … have been for quite a long while …
neurosculptor on January 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Come on out trolls, let’s here what you have to say now?
Waiting for cheap shots on Karls writing in 5…4…3….
Knucklehead on January 31, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Dead Cat…
d1carter on January 31, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Yes, but the Reps shouldn’t get complacent and arrogant. In Nov. incumbents will all be punished. It just so happens, mathematically, that there are more dems in the incumbent column, thus they will lose bigger.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:03 PM
There are various ways to ‘cure’ stupid.
Lanceman on January 31, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Shhhh! You’ll wake up Ann!
Lanceman on January 31, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Hnnh? I don’t get that.
IrishEi on January 31, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Of course Dems liked the speach…
Dems always like it when you attack Republicans, Teaparty types, the Supremes, and Banks.
Independents however see it for what it is… continuation of the exact divisive Politics which they Hired Obama to get rid of.
He’s done… its just a case of how much damage he can do on his way out.
Romeo13 on January 31, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Eh, as soon as he decides on the next KSM trial venue these numbers will go back in the toilet. PBHO really can’t say anything about anything without getting himself in trouble, the agenda has become that toxic.
Bishop on January 31, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Chicago?? Could the One lose Chicago?
El_Terrible on January 31, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Certainly, I’ve noticed a lot louder noises since SOTU. On the other hand, I doubt seriously that any independents or Republicans are a part of this spike. Notice the “unfavorable” didn’t even blip.
Dead cat.
applebutter on January 31, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Unless he triangulates like Clinton, the polls aren’t coming back. He’ll keep shoving full-blown socialism down everyone’s throats until the Dems get thrown out of Congress in November. Then he’ll just do the same crap he has for the past year… whine about GOP obstruction.
fiatboomer on January 31, 2010 at 3:15 PM
The GOP still doesn’t fully understand what’s happening, or they just don’t believe their eyes. I can count on my fingers (like The Precedent has to) the number of times GOP members have brought up the basic Constitutional points about the national health insurance plan and explained how it as anti and un-American as a government policy can get. That should really be the core of every opposition to it, to hold the debate back on that level – at least mentioned just about every time the subject is brought up.
The GOP is going to win in spite of their general timidity. The dems have just shown that they are too crazy and inept for words. This administration and Congress have been the biggest jokes ever to appear in American history, or even on the world stage. Historic incompetence and insanity.
neurosculptor on January 31, 2010 at 3:15 PM
a bump, right before the next FALL. Stick a fork in him. He is going to be a lame duck for the second half of a ONE TERM precedency (sic).
I have heard people ask do you miss GWB yet, hell I miss jimmy carter these days………
RealMc on January 31, 2010 at 3:15 PM
A number of those who vote are older, and or retired. Obama, a young punk standing up there trying to be regal, and scolding, chastizing, lecturing EVERYONE, without assuming any blame for himself, just doesn’t set well with a lot of people.
Just ask my mother, and grandmother, and their card club. lol
capejasmine on January 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Unbelievable, and everything Obama does is intentional. He wants to ruin America as we used to know it.
mobydutch on January 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Good. Barry, now go on TV every night, jam more of your radical policies down America’s throat, and campaign for all the Dem candidates over the country.
bayview on January 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Not only can he, but he will. It will be sweet when they lose IL, NV and DE.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM
If Dems are turning to the GOP or likely to “drop off,” exciting them doesn’t help them, while making unaffiliated voters mad hurts him. Obama may hope that’s temporary.
Karl on January 31, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Very explainable dead-cat bounce… Notice the strongly disapprove didn’t move… With the SOTU, Barry doubled-down on stupid… So the leftists are more energized that Barry will lead the country over the cliff…
phreshone on January 31, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Thanks for the Link Shadenfreude, It is a damn sahme when we have to go across the pond to get an honest story on him. MSM here is a FAIL.
RealMc on January 31, 2010 at 3:18 PM
So he got some of his Obamabots back. For now. As for persuading anyone else …….. zip.
GarandFan on January 31, 2010 at 3:18 PM
ignore the tingle affect, its the policy that will destroy the dems.
rob verdi on January 31, 2010 at 3:19 PM
neurosculptor on January 31, 2010 at 3:15 PM
I agree with you, 100%. The Reps shouldn’t win by default, even though the left should lose for all the stated, and other reasons.
Karl, might want to remove one “that”.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Swing voters ! Who cares whether the lefties approve or not. It’s the swing voters that count.
Hey, Barry, how about another SOTU? You could be the first to give two of them, ya know.
petefrt on January 31, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Will do.
Karl on January 31, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Just freshened the koolaid is all, the sour taste will be back when they see that hopeandchange “System” still not working and unemployment continues to rise……
RealMc on January 31, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Ya gotta have ‘substance’ to have ‘bounce’. All Barry proved was that he’s a One-Trick-Pony. For socialist, there’s only one way of doing things. And the first point is that EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG.
Keep on truckin’ Barry. November is getting closer and closer.
GarandFan on January 31, 2010 at 3:21 PM
thats because many in the GOP actualy believe in the power of Government… they just want to use that power to tell you to do what THEY want…
The real battle brewing is only now starting to be defined, and its the Progresives (who believe in Gov Power) vs. the Small L Libertarians (who want the old limited Fed Gov back).
Problem is that many of the GOP Oligarchs are actualy Progresives themselves… as so perfectly illustrated by the McCain Feingold bill itself.
Romeo13 on January 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM
The best thing going for our beloved land is that she is fully awake now, feels completely had by the left, will not be fooled, twice, and is not as stupid as the arrogant/elitist left believes her to be.
This awareness is prevalent in 3 groups: independents most of all, righties, and sane Democrats.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Anyone know what the typical bounce is after a SOTU? I bet this is fairly typical.
CWforFreedom on January 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM
There will always be a core group of Obamabots who would follow their leader to their graves, much like Jim Jone’s San Fransisco based progressive followers who followed him to Guyana. This core group seems to comprise about 25-30% of the population and represent core Democrat partisans. That’s not a big number.
Core GOP followers have about a ten point lead, at this point in time. The Independents determines who wins elections, and the Independents seem to be driven by the Tea Party movement. This is the GOP’s chance to run hard on national fiscal conservatism and a strong military, and punt social conservatism to the state level since that only serves to fracture the party at the national level.
LA Conservative on January 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Indeed. Bech had an excellent show yesterday on the 1920s and beyond progressivism, from both sides, with fine guests.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:26 PM
DO NOT underestimate the ability of the GOP to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
jukin on January 31, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Darn, missed it….
Anyone know if they post those shows online?
Romeo13 on January 31, 2010 at 3:29 PM
Incompetence is not a bug of this administration, it is a feature. That meager bounce will evaporate soon enough.
Unfortunately Barry’s advisors may interpret this bounce as evidence that “face time” with the American public works. That means more excruciating prime time lectures from Teh Won.
Mike Honcho on January 31, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Here’s hoping that they can be smart, for once. I doubt it, since they have a penchant for arrogance (see buffoonish McConnel) and stupidity, as often displayed.
They should just stick to:
1. Security, including WoT
2. Economy and jobs
3. Deficit reduction
4. Freedom and independence, in all regards
All else is peanuts. Without #1 all other are dead. This will kill the Obama-thuggery, having failed us on security and the WoT, which thy deny exists.
Napolitano sleeping at the SOTU will be in the history books next to the 0bama presidensy. They couldn’t have a better symbol. She’ll be next to him, in his toga, holding the arugula in his hands.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:31 PM
of course, with the way he treated SCOTUS…
cmsinaz on January 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Thanks, Karl. Makes perfect sense, but of course I couldn’t see it through my bloodshot eyes. Late night :-}
IrishEi on January 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Of course, I meant Beck, not Bech :((((
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM
So those who love Obama are less afraid to say so. Big Deal. Dead cat.
ROCnPhilly on January 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM
It’s usually minimal at best. And I’d wager that most of these bounces come from supporters within the President’s own party(much like this poll). After all, the SOTU is nothing more than a forum for the President to brag about what he and his party have accomplished thus far and what they wanna do over the course of the next year. A pep rally in essence.
Doughboy on January 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM
The bounce came from people who in fact did not understand what Obama was really saying in the SOTU.
Next time just mail it in Barry. In fact, just email it in.
Mojave Mark on January 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Back in September, when The Precedent decided to set precedent, again, and asked (wink, wink) to address a joint session of Congress in order to fraudulently try and put an official government imprimatur on his ridiculously un-Constitutional and stupid health care meanderings, he gained 10 points on the passion index (from -13 to -3) from 2 days before to 5 days after. Then he lost all that, and more. His support had jumped 6 points and strong diapproval went down 4 points.
This time, he’s gained 9 points over the same time (though all in the last 2 days on the support side) and the strong disapproval went down 1 point.
It seems that did better last time (during the faux-SOTA speech) but that all evaporated within another week, or so. They do something stupid every single day, just to remind those with very short memories.
neurosculptor on January 31, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Here ya go:
http://glennbeckclips.com/
The one on Progressivism is on the first page {scroll down to Part 1 (of 6)}. Make sure you check out “Revolutionary Holocaust” also in case you missed it. That’s the one that ties liberals to fascists etc. and includes expose’s on Mao, Stalin, Che, & more.
IrishEi on January 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM
How sad this is for our country.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Here ya go:
http://glennbeckclips.com/
IrishEi on January 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM
As with any flat rock skipping along the surface of the water, the first bounce is the grandest. Afterwards, as momentum dies with each repeating bounce getting shorter, the weight of Obama will disappear into the abyss.
Electrongod on January 31, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Obama’s Flesch-Kincaid grade level score of 8.8 for his first State of the Union Address was the fourth lowest score since FDR’s first Address in 1934.
Vindicated! I’ve been saying that his mathematical abilities come in around the level of a slow 8th grader. Clearly, rhetorical skills are his forte, so my estimate looks to be right on the money. “profit and earnings ratios”, baby.
neurosculptor on January 31, 2010 at 3:38 PM
It’s an outlier. In statistics, that makes it a throw away for trending (meaning its so far away from the norm that it can’t be relied upon as a valid data point in averaging or trend analysis….in problem solving, it says “FIX ME!”.)
The next 3-4 polls will show if this point has any value.
BobMbx on January 31, 2010 at 3:39 PM
Self-identified Liberals make up only 20% of the electorate. How much more excited can they possibly get over increasing socialism? Not enough to make a difference.
DerKrieger on January 31, 2010 at 3:39 PM
We are way beyond anything that can be fixed by a speech or a good debate performance. People have stopped listening. He’s lost all credibility with virtually everyone but moonbats. He is being judged now on actions and results.
His is filled with leaders who could give a good speech and turned their nations into ashes.
TheBigOldDog on January 31, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Americans aren’t socialists. Now that the Leftist agenda has been exposed to a large part of the general public I don’t think they’ll be able to accomplish much of anything now or for a long time. Now if only we could get our own “moderates” to stop helping the Left achieve their goals.
DerKrieger on January 31, 2010 at 3:45 PM
I call Dead Cat Bounce.
He may maintain elevated ratings for following weeks. But once people realize, again, that what he says is not what he does (ie.-lying) we’ll see a drop again.
However, if the economy continues to recover regardless of Obama, there may be a general higher approval among the uneducated electorate.
cntrlfrk on January 31, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Is any of this a surprise? Obama gave a wildly radical speech designed to appeal to no one but his core moonbat base.
logis on January 31, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Thanks, Karl. I am enjoying Cassy & Karl filling in today.
OmahaConservative on January 31, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Dead cat bounce. He has lost trust with most of us. I don’t trust him with anything. He can’t get back that lovin’ feeling.
BetseyRoss on January 31, 2010 at 3:50 PM
Dead-cat-bounce, any sound financial adviser would be screaming SELL!!!!!!
fourdeucer on January 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Play to your base, Obama. What could go wrong?
OhioCoastie on January 31, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Thanks!
Karl on January 31, 2010 at 3:54 PM
That’s right. Beck already has done as much as anyone to alert the public to progressivism, and I think much more of it is coming this year. He’s almost single-handedly changing the game… from Dems versus Repubs to progressivism versus liberty.
I imagine Sarah will take the political leadership, if only to be the kingmaker for the 2012 primaries, and I bet Rush will pretty much join his Reagan conservativism in support of it. (Needless to say, Rush would never support a third party candidate, but he would support Tea Party candidates running in GOP primaries.)
Already it’s a powerful movement. With a team like Palin-Beck-Rush, the GOP best cr*p or get off the pot.
petefrt on January 31, 2010 at 3:57 PM
The polling among moderate swing voters that show Obama’s personal popularity is higher than the popularity of his programs explains the bounce. The moderates still want to like him, and are holding out more hope than conservatives (who don’t hold out any hope) that Obama will be a better president in Years 2-4 than he was in year one. Because if he isn’t, they have to admit to themselves that they were scammed by the Democrats and big media and threw their vote away in 2008.
In in a stand-alone vacuum, Obama gets a bit of a bounce. The problem is, once Congress gets back to work and Harry and Nancy start doing their thing, all the abstracts in the SOTU speech suddenly give way to reality, and the reality remains the Obama’s either too scared to challenge Congress on their unpopular programs, or wants those programs passed and realizes that it’s now or never, because the Democrats are going to lose members in November (or, if he’s really delusional, he still thinks the Democrats are going to gain members in November if they pass this stuff, in which case odds are he’s not going to be chastised one bit by the 2010 results and will balk at any attempt at triangulation in 2011).
jon1979 on January 31, 2010 at 3:58 PM
I feel like I missed an important post somewhere. Who writes for HotAir now?
David Shane on January 31, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Very good! A “litmus test” — or, more properly, a code of conduct and belief — for Repubs boiled down to four points! Forget all that other crap, Steele & Co., and go for the basics of a free, sustainable nation.
Osama Obama can easily reach 100% approval: all the Traitor-in-Chief has to do is resign.
Indonesia is calling you, Barry Soetoro!
MrScribbler on January 31, 2010 at 4:03 PM
meh
He gave a speech.
Once he has to start actually DOING again instead of SPEAKING, the decline will return.
RedNewEnglander on January 31, 2010 at 4:03 PM
I like cats lets dead SNAKE
KATDADDY on January 31, 2010 at 4:08 PM
I like cats lets say dead SNAKE
KATDADDY on January 31, 2010 at 4:09 PM
Alfred E. Obama
petefrt on January 31, 2010 at 4:12 PM
One thing i know if you loose the trust of most american excluding the Democrat liberal base you never get it back.Just look at Bush after 2005 no mater what he did good or bad he never got above 45% again.
thmcbb on January 31, 2010 at 4:13 PM
Thanks for the link. Very interesting.
ladyingray on January 31, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Barry,
You never knew us.
Dead Cat and Lame Duck.
I hope they crap in Michelle’s garden.
David2.0 on January 31, 2010 at 4:36 PM
It’s not like it’s going to hurt her Hobby Lobby vegetables.
anniekc on January 31, 2010 at 4:42 PM
Ditto. And my vote is dead cat bounce. He will be back in minus double digits by the end of the week.
conservnut on January 31, 2010 at 4:48 PM
He is like cotton candy. Tastes sweet, but then quickly evaporates, sticks to your teeth and then causes stomach pain.
tatersalad on January 31, 2010 at 4:50 PM
I’ll say “Dead cat” with a caveat – what if the goal is to turn the “independents” off to politics entirely? Do remember that card-carrying Dems supposedly outnumber card-carrying Pubbies.
steveegg on January 31, 2010 at 4:52 PM
Gladly – have a wonderful Sunday.
We’ll get them, yet, even Boxer in CA.
Schadenfreude on January 31, 2010 at 4:57 PM
Independents have suspected that Obama stinks. Increasingly, after the SOTU, they know he stinks.
BuckeyeSam on January 31, 2010 at 4:58 PM
Ponderous.
Dorvillian on January 31, 2010 at 4:59 PM
State of Obama speech: Meowwwww
tbear44 on January 31, 2010 at 5:05 PM
GOP to tie Obama to Dem candidates. Really? Pelosi runs the House. Obama’s approval is around 50%, current congress has a 19% approval rating. Unemployment was 4.6% before she became speaker, 8.1M jobs have been lost under her leadership (US Bureau Labor Statistics).
motionview on January 31, 2010 at 5:10 PM
“Sunday’s Rasmussen tracking poll has some good news, and some bad news..”
For whom?
VoyskaPVO on January 31, 2010 at 5:11 PM
It’s dead, Jim…
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=s60jma&s=4
paragon27x on January 31, 2010 at 5:12 PM
shark, jumped the
Metro on January 31, 2010 at 5:24 PM
My experience with dead cats is they don,t bounce much at all .They just kind of lay there and stink up the place a little more each day.
thmcbb on January 31, 2010 at 5:26 PM
There is really only one direction for Obama-mao…He is heavily invested in the idea that he can say anything and Americans are dumb enough to take it at face value…Even as he talked about spending freezes his new budget shows a six percent increase in spending…A six percent annual rate will double the size of government in 12 years…He is truly on Pluto. He is the best liar we have seen but folks are noticing now…
Nozzle on January 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM
You can’t fix stupid.
gdonovan on January 31, 2010 at 5:38 PM
If the democrats are not worried by now after NJ,VA,and MA.
went down the drain for them,then these polls are not going to make much difference.
Obama’s polling has been sinking all year.
It has resulted in some democrats backing off of Obama’s agenda but they have still been managed to be bought off(with our tax money no less).
The democrats along with the MSM have made a decision to deliberately ignore the will of the people and push their agenda no matter what.
The press is so invested in Obama after all the cheer leading and activism they engaged in during the election that they can’t turn back.
A few critical articles here and there does not get it.
The press have purposely ignored many stories that would hurt Obama and the democrats agenda from the Global warming fraud being exposed in Europe,to Acorn,Obama’s Czar’s,and the many lies and gaffes he commits on a day to day basis.
The democrats are all in on their agenda no matter what in hopes that the economy turns around in time for 2010.
The only real panic I see (besides a few democrats that will take a beating at home during the election) is when and if Obama’s approval ratings actually dip into the 30′s.
With most polling being biased for democrats,it has probably already been there.
But until the overall consensus shows Obama sinking that low,I just don’t see democrats on the Hill abandoning their messiah.
Baxter Greene on January 31, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Obama should do his next SOTU address like “Snerdley” addresses his homeys on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I’m sure this would bump up his score, big time.
Cybergeezer on January 31, 2010 at 6:04 PM
moonbatkiller on January 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM
“let me be clearer… failure is my GOAL”
RightWinged on January 31, 2010 at 6:17 PM
you’re very cheering to read, Mr. Karl
happyfeet on January 31, 2010 at 6:21 PM
But until the overall consensus shows Obama sinking that low,I just don’t see democrats on the Hill abandoning their messiah.
Baxter Greene on January 31, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Baxter Greene:And also,I’ll add,this HealthCare has been
a goal,or slow march of incrementalism,by
Liberals for over forty years!
To a lot of Leftys they are so close they
can taste this,politically of course,and
being sooooooo close to their dreams,I th
ink there will be a lot of die-hards so to
speak,that will go down with Obama’s ship,
er,agenda!!:)
canopfor on January 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM
I feel better already.
Itchee Dryback on January 31, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Obama is well on his way to total failure with this type of inept leadership coming from the White House:
At a small business in Chesapeake, Maryland President Obama today said that the 5.7% jump in GDP last quarter “affirms” the progress in the economy.
Obama,Jan 30,2010
Really????….Here is the Reality….
Watchdog: Bank Bailouts Created More Risk in System
Updated January 31, 2010
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
…and this….
New Record Deficit Predicted
….combined with coming inflation,sinking dollar,higher unemployment,China and other Nations bailing on us…..
……Obama said “Hope was on the way”
……..the reality is he is bringing “failure our way”.
Baxter Greene on January 31, 2010 at 6:38 PM
100% correct.
Anybody who has had conversations on a regular basis with die hard liberals knows all that matters is their ideology.
They ignore all reality and facts no matter how credible and irrefutable they are…”Oh that’s just right wing propaganda”…or “It’s time for the adults to handle this,we know better”.
Liberals believe they are on some righteous mission that only the super smart and enlightened such as themselves can undertake……
………..if we are lucky,they will take us with them on their journey through liberal land loaded with rainbows,unicorns,and butterfly farts.
Just look at how they are handling the Global warming fraud.
Obama still has the arrogance to claim “massive scientific evidence to support it” when all the evidence has been blown apart with lies and corruption.
…liberalism is basically Jonestown on steroids.
Baxter Greene on January 31, 2010 at 6:46 PM
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