CAP: New Yorkers are wussies

posted at 12:45 pm on January 30, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Does the Center for American Progress want to alienate New York while the Obama-Pelosi progressive legislative agenda drowns in popular discontent?  Ken Gude, an associate director at CAP for its International Rights and Responsibility Program, tells Politico that he assumed New Yorkers were braver than to complain about the monumental cost and disruption a criminal trial of 9/11 conspirators would heap onto a city that has already bled both money and blood in the war on terror (via Jonah Goldberg at The Corner):

In his State of the Union address, Obama complained broadly about GOP fear-mongering, but he did not mention Guantanamo, the reasons for his preference for trying terrorists in civilian courts, or his plans to bring some prisoners to Illinois for military trials or indefinite detention.

“Let’s put aside the schoolyard taunts about who’s tough,” Obama said. “Let’s reject the false choice between protecting our people and upholding our values.” He said he was working to fill “unacceptable gaps” highlighted by the Christmas Day attack and boasted of aggressive campaigns against al Qaeda across the globe. “In the last year, hundreds of al Qaeda’s fighters and affiliates, including many senior leaders, have been captured or killed — far more than in 2008,” the president said.

Some Democrats want Obama to be even more forceful, including on the importance of civilian trials for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other alleged 9/11 plotters. “Obama and the Department of Justice need to get out there and push back very clearly with the public…Frankly, I thought New Yorkers were made of sterner stuff than this—traffic is going to be disrupted?” said Ken Gude of the liberal Center for American Progress.

Allahpundit knew this was coming, but honestly, I didn’t think the phallus-measuring would start this quickly, nor directed at New Yorkers themselves.  It’s a cheap shot, especially considering the fact that this trial may drag out as long as eighteen months.  When the RNC held its 2004 convention in the Big Apple, the security precautions were enormous and costly, and that only took four days.  New Yorkers complained about that as well, although from my personal experience at the convention, I found New Yorkers to be very gracious and enthusiastic hosts.

If there was no choice in the venue, then Gothamites would suck it up, as they have since 9/11 despite knowing that terrorists have kept a big target on their backs.  But the only people who believe that seem to be people who live in Washington DC or elsewhere.  There are a multitude of options for adjudicating the cases of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that don’t involve holding the proceedings a few blocks away from a major center of global finance.  That will still be a target regardless of whether KSM ever sets foot in New York, but at least New York can then focus on protecting it rather than dealing with almost two years of disruption in its security protocols.  Gude seems to forget this in his zeal to pass the buck back to New York.

Besides, Congress has twice authorized military commissions to adjudicate the cases of KSM and his cohorts.  We built a facility for that purpose in Guantanamo Bay which remains the best, most secure, and most appropriate venue to proceed.  The commission system allows for appeals to federal court, something that no other commission or tribunal system has ever had, including the oft-praised Nuremberg trials.  The question isn’t whether New Yorkers have the stones to deal with terrorist threats — they’ve been doing it all along.  The question is why we want to disrupt that effort by arbitrarily dropping the consequences of a mistaken decision onto a city that has enough to do as it is, and New Yorkers are correct in demanding an answer to that question.


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but hey

lets go to the place of the slaughter

with tons of high value targets like ohhhh

empire state,
un,
lady lib,
brooklyn bridge,
penn station,
times square

on and on

and have a trial there.

blatantblue on January 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM

On Fox & Friends this morning, some libtard was going on about how the jihadis used Gitmo as a recruiting tool. Allyson Camerota (thank you Allyson!) challenged her and asked how she knew they did this and she actually responded because “Osama bin Laden said so”. Reminded me of how Hitler was always sincere during WWII regarding his plans!

PatMac on January 30, 2010 at 3:55 PM

creeping sharia posted the following:

Pakistani Ambassador has private meeting with Federal Judge in ongoing NYC al Qaeda trial

If true, why is a U.S. federal judge meeting with a Pakistani Ambassador regarding an ongoing trial? Why are they having any private meetings at all? What was discussed? From the Ibrahim Sajid Malick Blog.

WTH?

heroyalwhyness on January 30, 2010 at 3:56 PM

I live less than a mile from, and a direct view of where the Twin Towers stood. I’ll make a deal. Let them have the trial here, but make it a military tribunal. And after they are convicted hang them all in public.

I’d take the risk if I knew that would be the payoff. As for Ken Gude, go f_#k yourself.

J.J. Sefton on January 30, 2010 at 3:59 PM

This is so…quaint.

If you don’t do as Obowmao says, you’re a wuss.

As if Obowmao and any other Dem have guts.

Which Party simpers and whines at the smallest of ‘slights’?

Libs tend to sit around waiting to be offended.

A single New Yorker has more guts than all the entire Left can put before the American public.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Simply surviving the commute/subway/LIRR/bus/sidewalk to work everyday makes the average New Yorker as tough as an Army drill sergeant.

bloviator on January 30, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Speaking as a New Yorker, the clear wussies are Barry and Holder and their collective cohorts. While the cost and the massive disruption to our state is certainly on or minds, these are not our primary concerns. Protecting ourselves from further security threats, violence, and terrorism is foremost.

Barry doesn’t believe in terrorism or even call it by name. He summarily rejects that we are actually at war with anyone. Every day Barry is in office, he places New York and the entire nation at perilous risk. And, one of the glaring reasons is that he is a wuss.

anXdem on January 30, 2010 at 1:27 PM

+100

barry and holder want this to be a Broadway Show Trial; hence NYC. Take a bow, barry.

Geochelone on January 30, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Libs tend to sit around waiting to be offended.

Actually I think they actively look for ways to be offended.

Aviator on January 30, 2010 at 4:45 PM

A local radio guy, Bill Handel was also spewing this crap about how no one has the right to object to the trial being held in lower Manhattan and his co-host toadies were agreeing.

Long, notorious trials are extremely disruptive. For whatever reason, pipebombs – some real and some fake, and telephone bomb threats — some real and some fake, abound during the trial and not just in the courthouse but all the other government buildings in the area. It’s a mess for a very long time.

Blake on January 30, 2010 at 4:52 PM

This is a rejection of the Democratic Party, by NY Democrats, believe it or not. Keep the heat up, Righties!

LibertyBoyNYC on January 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Blake Handel is an odd bird. I have heard him on his law talk show. Check out his wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Handel

Among several interesting things:

Controversy

In 1996, Asian-American leaders called for Handel’s resignation after making comments about Kristi Yamaguchi and Michelle Kwan. Handel was quoted as saying; “And when I look at a box of Wheaties, all right? I don’t want to see eyes that are like all slanted and Oriental and almond shaped. I want American eyes looking at me.”[13] Handel apologized, claiming that he was mocking bigotry. In March 2004, Handel made jokes about Muslims not bathing, hating Jews, and practicing bestiality; KFI was forced to apologize.[14

I have heard him ask questions about peoples backgrounds that most hosts would never ask.

CWforFreedom on January 30, 2010 at 5:03 PM

“Let’s reject the false choice between protecting our people and upholding our values.”

LOL. This pathetic strawman is the Indonesian imbecile’s idea of sophisticated debate. It would be sad, were it not so dangerous.

And I really get annoyed every time The Precedent says “we” or “our”, trying to make it sound as if he has even a clue as to what America is about. That is an even more pathetic joke than his actual strawman. The Precedent knows almost nothing about America and what he does know he wants to destroy. Before he’s done, there won’t be one ounce of dignity, integrity, or trust left in the Executive.

neurosculptor on January 30, 2010 at 5:05 PM

The Fallaci is back!

MB4 on January 30, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Just arrived and haven’t read all the comments, so apologies is these points are redundant.

One:
Not being mentioned enough, let alone being hammered home, is that in the criminal court venue for a trial whatever classified material might be pertinent or helpful to KSM must be provided to him – and is thus provided to the enemy.

Two:
Not mentioned anywhere that I’ve seen – the criminal court venue means citizen jurors, as in hello – YOU are to report for jury duty. Never mind that this will probably mean the islamists jihadists will issue a fatwah on each and every juror/alternate.

Since Obama/Holder surely discussed these points during their studied considerations of the matter, we can come to no other conclusion than that their choice – and it is their CHOICE – of US criminal court instead of military tribunal shows us they care nothing about protecting America’s military/CIA/FBI classified materials, and they care nothing about America’s citizens’ safety and well-being. Why? Because it’s their only chance to put Bush, Cheney, etc., under oath on a witness stand. The obamessiah’s ultimate blame-Bush maneuver. Obie’s ego-obsession of blaming Bush will overrule any and all logical consideration of what’s best for the U.S.A., let alone New York City.

GGMac on January 30, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Why would the terrorists attack DC? That’s where all their friends are, there and Berserkerley, CA.

Dhuka on January 30, 2010 at 5:31 PM

On Fox & Friends this morning, some libtard was going on about how the jihadis used Gitmo as a recruiting tool

Every time I hear that bull it makes me grind my teeth. Just who are these people that actually think gitmo is creating sh!thead jihadis?

And to GGMac, spot on. All in all, I dont really care that much about the venue, the problem is making this a civilian matter. THIS IS A MILITARY MATTER. The enemy, caught on foreign soil, this doesnt take a rocket scientist.

/endrant

JusDreamin on January 30, 2010 at 6:07 PM

When is someone in the media going to say this POS violated every known tradition of the State of the Union address? It is NOT meant to be partisan, political or attack speech.

rlwo2008 on January 30, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Simple solution…if Obama and company think this is so important, hold the trial in DC. Yeah, like that would ever happen.

Deanna on January 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Does the Center for American Progress want to alienate New York while the Obama-Pelosi progressive legislative agenda drowns in popular discontent?

I don’t see NYC going red anytime soon.

ddrintn on January 30, 2010 at 7:11 PM

“Let’s put aside the schoolyard taunts about who’s tough,” Obama said. “Let’s reject the false choice between protecting our people and upholding our values.”

Somebody had better remind ObaMao of his oath of office–”to protect and defend the Constitution.” And somebody had better remind ObaMao that “our values” are spelled out in that Constitution. Nowhere in that founding document is there a promise to guarantee the rights and liberties of international citizens, especially those who have vowed to destroy us.

CAP must be devoted to the unprincipled principles of selective international law, especially when it undermines our own sovereignty.

onlineanalyst on January 30, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Besides, Congress has twice authorized military commissions to adjudicate the cases of KSM and his cohorts. We built a facility for that purpose in Guantanamo Bay which remains the best, most secure, and most appropriate venue to proceed. The commission system allows for appeals to federal court, something that no other commission or tribunal system has ever had, including the oft-praised Nuremberg trials. The question isn’t whether New Yorkers have the stones to deal with terrorist threats — they’ve been doing it all along. The question is why we want to disrupt that effort by arbitrarily dropping the consequences of a mistaken decision onto a city that has enough to do as it is, and New Yorkers are correct in demanding an answer to that question.

Well said, AP! It bears repeating.

onlineanalyst on January 30, 2010 at 7:33 PM

I understand that there is quite a show going on right now with a trial.

It’s just not a good idea.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 7:36 PM

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 7:36 PM

I thought you punished us by leaving?

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 7:40 PM

This CAP nonsense is something Olbermann would say. I can’t imagine any of my cousins from Brooklyn getting up off the floor for a while, for their laughter.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 7:45 PM

This song goes out to Ken Gude”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqxCoTQH9O8

onlineanalyst on January 30, 2010 at 7:52 PM

When the RNC held its 2004 convention in the Big Apple, the security precautions were enormous and costly, and that only took four days. New Yorkers complained about that as well

So New Yorkers aren’t wussies but they are whining complainers? Good on them! Any American city should be complaining about hosting the Obama administration’s nod to hugging terrorists instead of treating them as criminals. The (Republican) mayor of Newburgh NY who his whoring for the opportunity to get those federal dollars should be immediately removed from office.

The solution is simple. Gitmo. It has always been the only realistic option and still is.

highhopes on January 30, 2010 at 7:55 PM

I thought you punished us by leaving?

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 7:40 PM

She’s always been a tease. Storming out and then coming back to issue the next set of Obama talking points. Others call her a concern troll but I think she’s simply delusional.

highhopes on January 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM

highhopes on January 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM

My big problem is actually like her, and have supported her for about a year–in the sense she’s basically okay.

But her trips to Neverland eventually got the better of me, and I had to suggest she go to Kos where she might be happier.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Oh, probably just a snit over some issue. I find the snark level a bit much sometimes.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Liam, I really don’t need anyone’s “support.” Thanks anyway.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Liam, I really don’t need anyone’s “support.” Thanks anyway.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM

For someone who complains about snark levels…

Really–how about carrying though with your threat, that we’ll ‘rue’ the day you leave? Let us ‘rue’ it, would you?

Sometimes you make sense but so many others…Well, to try being polite…you’re out of your mind. I can’t picture you having any idea what New Yorkers are really like. I expect you to value that CAP statement, which is basically what Leftists do without having a thought.

How about thi9nking with your fullest ability for once? C’mon! I know you can do it!

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Really–how about carrying though with your threat, that we’ll ‘rue’ the day you leave? Let us ‘rue’ it, would you?

*rolling my eyes*

I’m talking about as a voter. Good gravy.

You think Independents aren’t relevant? Think again.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:11 PM

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM

BTW, hotshot, replace my term ‘support’ with ‘liked’. That change your snarky attitude any?

Christ, you snooty self-righteous libs piss me off.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:11 PM

You think Independents aren’t relevant? Think again.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Don’t try changing the subject, Ann. You know you’ll never get away with that tactic with me. I was there when you went into your fit, and it had nothing to do with ‘independents’. You just got stuck. Don’t even try changing the focus here, because I watched you get flustered after being shot down by the other posters.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:14 PM

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:11 PM

I bet you truly agree that New Yorkers are wussies for defying Obowmao’s plan, don’t you? Since your such a lib, defend CAP’s assertion, will you?

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Probably, you missed the original post. No, I never thought it was smart.

It’s a military issue and should have been left in that venue.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:18 PM

It’s a military issue and should have been left in that venue.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Agreed. Now you know why I liked you (don’t thank me–that would be an insult about now).

So, why can’t you be so lucid all the time?

Still, you didn’t answer my question about you agreeing with CAP on their insult of New Yorkers.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM

I honestly don’t care about CAP. A lot of these groups are given too much power. They have no real weight in life, and nobody cares what they say or don’t say.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM

Right after Obama said “Let’s put aside the schoolyard taunts about who is tough,” he then said “In the last year, hundreds of Al Qaeda’s fighters have been captured or killed – far more than in 2008.” In other words, “I’m tougher than Bush.”

To say it’s about “parking” is asinine–although this guy would be the first to whine like a baby if it were his life or business that was disrupted.

There are a half-dozen reasons or more why it’s a bad idea, each better than the last.

1. The astronomical cost.
2. The security threat.
3. The platform for terrorists.
4. The drain on police resources who could be stopping crime instead.
5. The classified materials made public.
6. Judges giving terrorists American rights. This will not raise them to our level, but drag us down to theirs. For instance, the administration has guaranteed a conviction. (Funny, I thought tribunals were supposed to be the “Kangaroo courts”.) If both the terrorists and citizens have the same rights, then why can’t the administration also guarantee convictions in other cases?
7. It puts unaccountable judges and lawyers in charge of warfare instead of the executive the people chose.
8. It destroys any incentive for terrorists to respect Geneva Rights–they get them free, no matter what.

The whole idea behind civilian trials was to discredit the war–i.e., terrorism is a crime, and the proper response to crime is to call a cop, not fight a war.

Obama is also hoping that defense attorneys will put Bush on trial. Why should New Yorkers suffer this circus just to indulge Obama’s political vendetta?

But if Ken Gude wants keep calling New Yorkers cowards, shouldn’t he first move the Center For American Progress’ offices out of Los Angeles and Washington and into New York City?

Yeah–I thought so. Jerk.

Noel on January 30, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Obama is also hoping that defense attorneys will put Bush on trial. Why should New Yorkers suffer this circus just to indulge Obama’s political vendetta?

Oh, I think after Ft. Hood and the underwear bomber, he’s a whole lot less enchanted with THAT Bush accusation. *haha

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:33 PM

I honestly don’t care about CAP. A lot of these groups are given too much power. They have no real weight in life, and nobody cares what they say or don’t say.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM

But so many libs do, long as it’s against those they hate.

Keep what you said in mind, and stick to it, please. You do have a sharp mind but, sometimes, you warp out to another galaxy.

What we have here, as I see it, is a cult of personality. Not even Reagan was adored the way Obowmao is being held up, as if is O some kind of demi-god. It’s come to a point where those who question him on any matter, great or small, is somehow ‘bad’ (the form to be decided on a case-by-case basis)

I see it here all the time from the trolls (not counting you among them). It just all seems to insane to me, that people stop thinking and start issuing ‘statements’ that are meant to be insulting from the get-go. Most times, that comes from the Left.

What makes that worse, is that those lefties either deny it or, like they defend their slanders of Bush, say ‘he had it coming’.

Stuff like that doesn’t work for me, more so when it comes from the Right–which is far less often.

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Oh well, guess you let people bother you, Liam. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Some people like to poke. They brag about it. I see conservatives on liberal blogs doing the same.

That’s just the deal with opinions. They are like belly buttons. Everyone has one.

I rarely take stuff personally, unless I’m just in a ‘mood.’

Frankly, I don’t know anyone on-line, so why would I? It’s crazy to let a stranger affect my day.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:42 PM

I rarely take stuff personally, unless I’m just in a ‘mood.’

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Yes, I’ve seen those moods.

Don’t you find the polarizing over the top? I mean, how Obowmao is held up among clouds, with MSM types heralding his every utterance as if with trumpets? And hoe every possible disagreement is met with the harshest of vitriol (like the endless accusations of racism being thrown about)?

And now the idea New Yorkers are ‘weak’ for not supporting another bad idea of this Administration. Is there nothing, or no one, this crew isn’t willing to slander?

Liam on January 30, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Here’s a good idea, let’s hold the trials at the Center for American Progress building with Ken Gude and others making the same idiotic claims, front and center strapped into a chair sitting right next to the defendedants.

Unless Ken, Gail and their fellow brainiacs aren’t brave enough.

Niteowl45 on January 30, 2010 at 10:23 PM

New York has already paid with the lives of 2,605 of their friends, neighbors, and loved ones.

They deserve a pass on this.

And as far as GOP “fear mongering”, Barney Frank said the same thing in 2001 when the Bush administration testified before Congress in order to get the government mortgage guarantee corporations more tightly regulated.

crosspatch on January 30, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Why not just try them in GITMO by transferring a civilian court to that location. Security isn’t a problem there. Of course Obama will run into te problem of the already broken promise of closing the facility but what’s one more time limited promise to the Liar and Chief.

larvcom on January 30, 2010 at 11:12 PM

I believe the DOJ’s capitulation on moving KSM’s trial elsewhere (probably back to a military tribunal at Gitmo) is precisely because the Obama administration has suddenly realized, if they lose New York, they’ve lost everybody. The fact that it took them this long to realize it is indicative of the kind of leadership they provide… as opposed to the leadership they think they’re providing.

2010.

2012.

RebeccaH on January 31, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Nothing is more wussie than a dhimmi.

Disturb the Universe on January 31, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Gude is a preening, irrational, moronic stooge for the world-historical stupidity of the Obama Justice Dept. terror trial follies.

KSM should have been hanged years ago.

Bush was clearly too weak to do the job right, and Barry’s squishiness makes W’s semi-spine seem like the Empire State Building in comparison to the gap in Barack’s vertebral region.

Terrorists deserve a rough interrogation and a coarse noose.

No more.

profitsbeard on January 31, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Osama bin Laden was probably using gitmo as a recruiting tool.

“And if you fail to martyr yourself, and the Americans capture you, you will be given three tasty and satisfying meals a day, and a soft bed.”– Al-Qaeda recruter.

Slowburn on February 1, 2010 at 6:18 AM

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