White House: The new moon mission is canceled

posted at 6:46 pm on January 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Are conservatives really upset about this? I would have thought it’d be grudgingly approved as an unfortunate yet necessary sacrifice to fiscal responsibility, but the Village Voice cobbled together an entire article a few days ago from angry reactions of righty bloggers to news that the mission was on the chopping block. On the one hand, we’re knocking The One for his laughably puny spending freeze, and on the other, we’re knocking him for not shoveling billions towards NASA for yet another hoparound on the big rock in the sky? I don’t get it.

“Constellation is dead,” the source told AFP on condition of anonymity, referring to a program that envisioned returning to the moon by 2020 and using Earth’s nearest neighbour as a base for manned expeditions to Mars…

Reports added that the US space agency will work on finding a commercial solution to ferrying US astronauts to the International Space Station after the scheduled end of NASA’s shuttle program in September 2010.

Astronauts will be able to hitch rides aboard Russian Soyuz spacecraft, but the United States will need a commercial alternative if Congress approves White House plans to scrap development of a successor to the shuttle program.

Fiscal responsibility and privatization? What’s not to like? We’re going to have to poll this one. Just remember: Our current debt ceiling is $14.3 trillion.



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Ever notice that socialist countries tag along on other country’s space programs, but free market and capitalist countries are the ones with active space programs on which other then leach.
 
Could it be that space programs act as a catalyst by which free enterprise invents and solves problems thought unsolveable only a few years before? Could it be the necessity that is needed for invention to thrive?
 
No, that can’t be it. No all those inventions that just happened to have occured during the real active American space program of the 50s, 60s, and 70s were pure coincidence.
 
Now I am no lover of government spending, but then what is there to spend if actual free enterprise were allowed to profit from space exploration instead of the stupid concept that no one should profit from it for it is some lofty vision by government officials. The government has a role in coordinating and concentrating the mission, but unleasing the same spark of invention from the private sector and allowing them to profit would mean that instead of spending billions to reach the moon once more it would take far less and involve less government such as used to be the case in the early days of NASA.
 
No now NASA is just another department of the government with a budget and strict rules of who profits and even who can win the contracts lest they be awarded some group no in current political favor.
 
Killing the moon mission comes as no great surprise to me. As long at the radical progressive movement has control of government expect America to continue to contract in terms of innovation and capitalism. They run counter to the moronic concepts these idiots want to force on this country in order for them to bring about the reordering of it’s society.

woodythesingingcowboy on January 30, 2010 at 5:24 PM

It’s not that I’m upset about it getting cancelled, I just think it’s odd after we have been hearing that The Obama was Pro-science unlike Bush and science was going to be advanced, blah, blah, blah. I would much rather see them cancel the wasted grant money for global warming crackpot science then the moon mission.

jeffn21 on January 30, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Obama=Ultimate Moonbat

Maquis on January 30, 2010 at 6:58 PM

It’s to be expected. He did not back the leadership in NASA whom all the employees wanted.

This will be a very big blow, employment-wise.

AnninCA on January 30, 2010 at 7:32 PM

Are conservatives really upset about this?

*whine*

Admittedly, we’re more likely to make real advances through private companies — but I watch every shuttle launch and landing, even if I have to be late for a meeting, with tears of pride in my eyes.

Tanya on January 30, 2010 at 9:35 PM

I believe that is the human condition to solve problems, find solutions and explore the heavens. We were created to do so.

Plus, I just wanna.

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Yeah, that.

Tanya on January 30, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Smells like peanuts to me:

“Jimmy Carter was perhaps the least supportive of U.S. human space efforts of any president in the last half-century

In 1979, Carter considered terminating the Space Shuttle Program, given its technical and schedule problems. ”

From NASA’s own website.

crosspatch on January 30, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Ok – What was JFK’s motivation for going to the moon in the first place? We were in a nasty cold war with USSR, and their space program caught US by surprise, and beat us into space with Sputnik. National pride was injured, but I think more importantly, our mortal enemy was about to gain the a trump-card tactical advantage with Soviet military vehicles flying over us every 45 minutes.

So we went there, regained our technical and tactical advantages, and the rest is history.

My question is: Why are China, India, Russia so all-fire motivated to get to the moon now, and more importantly, why is Obama soooo willing to surrender all our hard-won technical and tactical advantages so easily?

Everything this bastard does makes me hate him even more.

Fishoutofwater on January 30, 2010 at 11:47 PM

and on the other, we’re knocking him for not shoveling billions towards NASA for yet another hoparound on the big rock in the sky? I don’t get it.

Obviously you don’t.

I lived through the 60′s and that was turmoil. It civil unrest, civil disobedience, political chaos, violence and assassinations. There were enough bad things going on in this nation to bring down – but …

The one shining light was the successful quest to reach the moon. It inspired people – here, and all over the globe.

Yeah Allah – you look at this and say … “eh, we can’t afford it”. But millions of Americans and PARTICULARLY millions of people all over the world see this cancellation as affirmation that America’s best days are behind it.

Now – I want to ask – if we landed another group of people on the moon tomorrow – what kind of message would that send to the world? What kind of message would that send to the terrorists we’re fighting? It would be a kick in the nuts for their morale.

What kind of message would this send to our kids? Instead of learning Obama songs … maybe they’d be studying (and be inspired by) the moon landing and the technological wonder of it all. It’s these kinds of things that inspire another generation of scientists and adventurers Allah.

But instead – we’re going to throw more wasted money at the schools which will not improve them one scintilla. And we’re going to “can” the adventure that really motivates kids and the upcoming generation.

I was born in 1962 – 17 years after WWII ended. I lost an uncle I never knew in that war – but it has ALWAYS seemed as distant as the civil war to me – even though it ended only 17 years before I was born.

I can only imagine – how distant the last moon landing will feel to a child born today. It was fully 27 years ago when Apollo 17 left the moon – and we’ve sent no one back since then. In fact – not only is Apollo 17 the last flight to the moon – it’s the last manned flight beyond low-earth orbit.

It’s pretty shameful. We are at our best when we are exploring. Conservatism – which stands for the spark of the human adventurer … and risktaking – is advancing when we are exploring. This is what we do – and who we are – as human beings.

Sad to see that many don’t understand this and would rather pour more money into dead car companies – including, apparently – Allah.

Yeah – I know he doesn’t want to pour money into wasteful Socialist programs – but WE WILL ANYWAY. So Conservatives, in order to not look “hypocritical” are willing to give up on the moon just so they can rant and rave about Socialist spending.

You can go to the moon and criticize socialist spending you know.

HondaV65 on January 30, 2010 at 11:50 PM

You can cut the manned space program out of the budget, but you can only cut it out one time. That would be fine if the budget stayed reduced by the amount of the cut forever. Unfortunately, Dear Leader plans to take the savings and put them into new entitlement benefits and/or programs that will never, and can never, be cut, ever, until the end of time. So the end result will be that we have no saving in the budget, no manned space program…and, of course, no scientific/technological spin-off benefits, such as the may or may not be, depending on your view of such things..

Knott Buyinit on January 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM

The Space Program is one of the very few things the federal government funds with my tax dollars that I actually approve of. And now it gets the ax, but they’ll still fund all the immoral crap. Arghh…

pannw on January 31, 2010 at 12:56 AM

The “space race” was about national security and NASA has always been an arm of the military. I’m not complaining, just saying
Obama hates our military and hates the concept of American exceptionalism. This way, he gets to slap at two of his personal dislikes with one swing. He really is a vile POS and I truly do hope I live long enough to piss on his grave, I don’t care how long the line is.

Extrafishy on January 30, 2010 at 4:06 PM

You are saying it like it is

Tennis courts and dog runs = valuable infrastructure projects

Ability to use GPS to position weapons = wasteful spending

One in a long line of Obama disses, taking down the America he so dislikes notch by notch. If Chris Matthews has a tingle down his leg watching Obama, Obama must be geting spasms thinking about cutting off the American space hegemony at its knees

entagor on January 31, 2010 at 2:31 AM

I believe that is the human condition to solve problems, find solutions and explore the heavens. We were created to do so.

Plus, I just wanna.

Kini on January 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Yeah, that.

Tanya on January 30, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Amen, Man was not made to fly, but born to do so.

hawkdriver on January 31, 2010 at 8:51 AM

The administration reportedly plans to hike NASA’s budget by 5.9 billion dollars over five years to boost commercial development, with the goal of a first commercial flight to the ISS launching by 2015, the source said.
The Constellation program was launched in 2004 by then-president George W. Bush.

Have any of you checked out what Constellation is or promised? First off it’s a pathetic rehash of Apollo. A dead stick capsule dropped in the desert with parachutes and balloons. Yet even making glorified copies of the Gemini capsule and Apollo Lunar Module NASA is way behind the 2015 Moon launch schedule in just four years.

At the rate they burn money and drag ass Virgin Space will get there first anyhow. NASA shows off on the Orion site all their fancy heat flow and retro tests, balloon and parachute tests. They spend more time and money getting the perfect shape for their fancy trash can than Bert Rutan spent building a real rocket ship.

The decision as announced is to maintain Bush’s 2015 launch goal by bringing in corporate partners to get this damn thing rolling. Then to permanently sustain the government/industry partnership past 2020.

What the hell is wrong with that? I don’t trust Obama to do what he says but taking the news at face value I think it’s dead on.

I hope the first thing to go is that f’g Gemini capsule. Everyone knew that was a lame, totally budget-driven decision the day it was made. NASA is not just a jobs program dammit, it’s supposed to be an ADVENTURE.

rcl on January 31, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Obama bombed the moon and Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, nor any imam, said anything about it or condemn it; So, therefore, if he can’t get any criticism for this, he’ll abandon it.
There would be nothing to apologize for. No political currency.
He’s got unions and other interest groups to buy off with that money.

Cybergeezer on January 31, 2010 at 9:23 AM

As usual BO lied when he spoke about keeping our country number one in the SOTU. Let’s cut the tens of thousands of earmarks he’s approved in the past year. The space program will put 4600 people out of work, end new technology efforts, and put our safety in jeopardy. The Russians and Chinese will forge ahead and we’ll have to continue to bow to the Russians if and when we need boosters (according to Michio Kaku). By the time the private sector picks this up, we’ll be so far behind, we’ll never be able to catch up. This man’s a destroyer of everything that makes our country great.

Nalea on January 31, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Have any of you checked out what Constellation is or promised? First off it’s a pathetic rehash of Apollo. A dead stick capsule dropped in the desert with parachutes and balloons. Yet even making glorified copies of the Gemini capsule and Apollo Lunar Module NASA is way behind the 2015 Moon launch schedule in just four years.

At the rate they burn money and drag ass Virgin Space will get there first anyhow. NASA shows off on the Orion site all their fancy heat flow and retro tests, balloon and parachute tests. They spend more time and money getting the perfect shape for their fancy trash can than Bert Rutan spent building a real rocket ship.

rcl on January 31, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Sorry, but Burt has yet to complete an orbit. An Orion was to be capable of taking a crew of six into orbit or beyond (with the right modules) — how many people would a SpaceShipOne take up? Where is SpaceShipTwo in the development program — a cute model? Will SpaceShipTwo be able to dock with another space vehicle (a space station or other carrier?).

Sorry, but I would put the bet on the government on building something better than a rich man’s toy.

Just because you don’t like the shape of the vehicle isn’t good enough. It is a workhorse shape, not a showhorse shape.

unclesmrgol on January 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM

The new moon mission is canceled.

The crescent moon mission is still on.

Disturb the Universe on January 31, 2010 at 10:56 AM

The moon can be mined for helium-3 which could potentially be used someday in a nuclear fusion power plant.

pitythefool on January 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Allah, I could handle the news if the purpose of this action was strictly related to budget cuts and shrinking the deficit – but it isn’t. There are 2 issues here, both of which are highly unsatisfactory. I would refer you to the following article:

1). Firstly, the budget isn’t being cut. I offer a quote from the cited article:

…senior administration officials say the spending freeze for some federal agencies is not going to apply to the space agency in this budget proposal. Officials said NASA was expected to see some “modest” increase in its current $18.7 billion annual budget — possibly $200 million to $300 million more

So where is that extra money going to go? Three guesses…

…the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change

The White House will actually be directing NASA to utilize its resources in the study and monitoring of Climage Change:

If this was a budget cut, I could live with it. But it is the re-allocation of productive resources to chase the ghosts of AGW that were blown away in the CRU & IPCC scandals of the last month.

2). Secondly, this Administration has already shown a proclivity to unilaterally disarm. The Boeing YAL laser has been scrapped, anti-missile defenses halted. I will not be the least surprised if this is another step towards abandoning the high ground of space. Anyone who thinks that the Chinese are not beside themselves with joy over this action is delusional.

HobbesDFW on January 31, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Well, I see the link tool is working well as always. Try this:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,2770904.story

HobbesDFW on January 31, 2010 at 12:20 PM

“The new moon mission is canceled”

As is the replacement for the space shuttle.

We now have NO manned space flight capability.

crosspatch on January 31, 2010 at 1:07 PM

How nice is it that our boys have to stick their thumb out and catch a ride on that piece of cramped putrescence, the Soyuz capsule? How humiliating! Just what The Messiah wants. Knock down all achievement, pride, will for endeavour until you are left with just him.

linlithgow on January 31, 2010 at 1:12 PM

We now have NO manned space flight capability.

crosspatch on January 31, 2010 at 1:07 PM

And that’s just peachy, for the short-sighted Luddites. They’ll rail on about how we don’t NEED to put people up, just robots, for a number of reasons…

Of course, unmanned spaceflight is next on the chopping block, after which we’ll be out of the game entirely.

Dark-Star on January 31, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Two things:

1. We can’t afford the space program right now because of the money we Obama has spent on the porkulus bill and his budget in general.

Just remember: Our current debt ceiling is $14.3 trillion.

And just remember who got us there and what he spent it on.

2. Space exploration is perhaps THE most useful scientific endeavor sponsored by the govt. Aside from the Cold War, there hasn’t been a single governmental effort that has yielded more scientific advances. However, our current “leaders” are far more interested in accumulating personal power and creating their little “utopia”, than the genuine advancement of humanity.

SG1_Conservative on January 31, 2010 at 2:14 PM

While I’ve very little faith this administration has the best interest of either manned space flight or NASA in general, I find myself agreeing with the decision.

In fact the Constellation – Aeries program is over budget with little more than mock-up and test articles to show for it. If NASA used a free market approach they may have had more to show for the money already spent.

This country has heavy lift boosters in production – the Delta and Atlas – there is also the Ariane 5. What would have stopped NASA from purchasing an upgraded – man rated – variant, of any of these existing vehicles? Nor should it have cost billions to re-develop a rehash of Apollo.

It is possible to go on listing the problems of our space program, but I think it’s unnecessary. While I distrust the motives of the current administration I don’t take the position of being for a program just because they are against it.

I deeply admire what this country has accomplished in space exploration both human and robotic. But I cannot see that wasting vast sums of money retracing old steps helps us in anyway.

Atlas Five on January 31, 2010 at 2:28 PM

There’s a video on YouTube with this assclown saying he would deweaponize space, from before the election. I knew what we were getting when he got voted in. He wants America to be hamstrung in every way possible because we CAN’T be number one anymore. To a Progressive it just looks bad.

Pray for a Republican Congress after this November. Impeach,convict and imprison. Throw the devil back in his stiking hole before America is dead.

adamsmith on January 31, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Swiss UBS on the verge of collapse?

I was going to slap an OT on this article but it is related to the subject at hand. If UBS goes under look for President Awesomeness’ lackeys at Treasury to funnel untold billions to UBS via AIG.

Billions that could have gone towards a manned space program.

Mike Honcho on January 31, 2010 at 3:24 PM

How nice is it that our boys have to stick their thumb out and catch a ride on that piece of cramped putrescence, the Soyuz capsule? How humiliating! Just what The Messiah wants. Knock down all achievement, pride, will for endeavour until you are left with just him.

linlithgow on January 31, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Excellent!

+100

David2.0 on February 1, 2010 at 12:08 AM

“Beam up the POTUS, Scotty. Make room for some intelligent life on the planet.”

Hening on February 1, 2010 at 11:15 AM

I’m too lazy to see if anyone said this but this is a classic “What if Bush did this?” situation. The oh-so-much-more-intelligent-than-stupid-Republicans scientists would be denouncing Bush’s anti-science, Christian fundamentalist superstition.

AaronGuzman on February 1, 2010 at 1:03 PM

The moon mission was window dressing, a goal to re-engage our collective imaginations so its cancellation is not a big deal….BUT if we fail to develop a new manned spacecraft that is at least able to ferry our Astronauts to the ISS we have affectively given up on our investment and handed total control of this platform to the Russians.

F nObama!

dmann on February 1, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Our third world status will be assured by our leadership in XYZ-studies, animal rights activism along with cap and trade ponzi schemes. Who knows, we may even beat Eurabia back to the 7th century and lead the world in textiles (burqas and veils) and prayer rugs.

Annar on February 1, 2010 at 3:17 PM

one GIANT step back for mankind,not to mention the jobs that will be lost, so they can fund the nanny state.. He is no Kennedy.

workingforpigs on February 1, 2010 at 4:09 PM

maybe he thought that they could see what he was doing from space and cut the lift off.

workingforpigs on February 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Yeah this is a dark day; the moon is too expensive (lets not forget we are already a long way into the program, some $10 billion)……but wait, we can give NASA $2.5 billion extra to research.……..GLOBAL WARMING???!!!!!
Money well spent!

JeffVader on February 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM

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